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Historic Switch:Biden Drops, Welcome Kamala

Joe Biden has dropped out of the presidential race. He's endorsing Kamala Harris. I'm endorsing Kamala Harris. Anyone who wants a President who doesn't act like he just popped out of a Cracker Jack box should do the same.

From his announcement:

My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

Run Lola Kamala, Run. You can do this. [More...]

Update: The delegates in Tennessee voted today to switch their support to Kamala. That's the first state. I suspect many more will follow.
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    I just heard Manchin (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:49:25 PM EST
    being interviewed on the tube. For some reason.

    He said at one point "I myself am a Democrat in the mold of JFK."

    I said to my wife "More like in the mould of JFK."

    So is Joe (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:04:24 PM EST
    Biden but somehow he misses that.

    Parent
    On CNN, he was asked if he would consider (none / 0) (#50)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:19:29 PM EST
    the VP position if offered. Who is going to offer him the VP position?

    Parent
    Pot, meet Kettle! (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:10:35 PM EST

    Donald Trump, at 78, becomes the oldest nominee in U.S. history if Kamala Harris or someone else younger than Trump succeeds Biden atop the Democratic ticket, Axios reports.



    It would be really nice (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:15:17 PM EST
    if the media would now focus full time on Trumps mental decline. Wishful thinking, I know.

    Parent
    Yes, (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 10:18:54 AM EST
    Maybe the media can delve into Trump's death by boat battery electrocution preference rather than by shark.   For starters.

    Parent
    Agent Orange has been having a (none / 0) (#54)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:30:32 PM EST
    major meltdown on "Truth" ever since the news of Biden dropping out was announced. I don't think he got any sleep last night.


    Parent
    QOTD (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 07:31:13 AM EST
    "The first party to retire its 80-year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election."

    -- Nikki Haley

    Nikki Haley's (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 08:19:20 AM EST
    supporters PAC has endorsed Kamala.

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    Watched Andy Beshear (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 09:18:32 AM EST
    this morning. Man, that guy is talented. Never paid much attention to his before. He really could ding Trump's margins in rural areas. Red state dems which there are far too few of them these days really know how to fight the GOP because they do it daily.

    Jeralyn, apologies in advance if this skews (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 06:24:28 PM EST
    the page. I'm having trouble with the link button again.

    From CNN...

    "I took on perpetrators of all kinds," Harris says as she previews her case against Trump.

    "As a young prosecutor when I was in the Alameda County District Attorney's office in California, I specialized in cases involving sexual abuse. Donald Trump was found liable by a jury for committing sexual abuse. As attorney general of California, I took on one of our country's largest for-profit colleges and put it out of business. Donald Trump ran a for-profit college, Trump University, that was forced to pay $25 million to the students it scammed," she said.

    My officially AARP eligible self is going to imitate my teenage niece and say, "YAASSS, QUEEN!"

    I feel the (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:30:59 AM EST
    same way. I love Joe and think he is the best president in my lifetime but one of the problems I have always had is that he seems to be stuck in the 1970's collegial attitude in the senate. I guess that works though when you need legislation passed.

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    I saw that (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 06:35:18 PM EST
    It was quite a thing.  It was a Kamala we have not seen.

    It was kind of amazing,  

    PS
    you know I really wanted to say that because it's taking about  10 minutes to post a comment today😕

    Parent

    Kind (none / 0) (#68)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 05:39:05 AM EST
    of amazing? The whole spectacle was the most amazing 12 hrs of political stunt flying I have ever seen, planned or not.

    Not giving all or even most the credit to Kamala, it was a huge team effort.

    Democrats snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, is not a common occurrence.

    At last my hopium supply has been replenished.

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    A million ominous conspiracy theories (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:59:38 AM EST
    will rise from the smoothness of this transition.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 07:48:52 AM EST
    my final CT on the shooting; it never happened Donald Trump et al are crisis actors.

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    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 08:30:57 AM EST
    They already are. Biden is already dead. It's not his signature on the resignation letter. It's been Weekend at Bernie's in the WH since the debate. So I am guessing when Biden speaks later this week the same idiots will say it's not him but AI.

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    Kind (none / 0) (#69)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 05:41:08 AM EST
    of amazing? The whole spectacle was the most amazing 12 hrs of political stunt flying I have ever seen, planned or not.

    Not giving all or even most the credit to Kamala, it was a huge team effort.

    Democrats snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, is not a common occurrence.

    At last my hopium supply has been replenished.

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    Here is a link to that speech (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 06:55:04 PM EST
    Seems like a smart move to me (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 06:45:44 PM EST
    that Harris has discovered she has a previous engagement that prevents her from presiding over the Senate when Netanyahu makes his upcoming speech. Has to wash her hair, or something. Good.

    No, it's not a good 'look' (none / 0) (#66)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 07:18:24 PM EST
    for her to preside over a speech given by a person accused of war crimes by The Hague and many of the world's jurisdictions.

    Why was he invited again?


    Parent

    The Witch King (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 08:55:34 AM EST
    Our Hawaii delegation ... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 10:00:41 AM EST
    ... has all repledged to support Kamala Harris. The state party chair originally called an in-person meeting at Honolulu, which quickly proved impractical for the 30% of us who reside on the neighbor islands. Seems nobody at party HQ knew how to set up a ZOOM call, which I found rather absurd. We would have had to drop everything on a Sunday afternoon to fly to Oahu for what was essentially a one-hour meeting, and then fly back home again that same evening, provided we could even get a seat on a flight. For me in Hilo, 220 miles away by air, that would've been a six-hour round-trip at a minimum, not to mention the $190 r/t airfare. Anyway, one of the Maui delegates offered to put the call together and we got it done. Was rather comical and dumb, though.

    I think a Midwesterner would be best. (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 03:46:38 PM EST
    Kelly needs to stay in the Senate. We don't need any open Senate seats in swing states. I personally would prefer to see Shapiro finish his term in PA. I and run for POTUS later.

    Pritzker of Illinois (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:10:22 PM EST
    s great -- and great fun. Smart, personable, with a lot of personal wealth to bring to campaign coffers.

    If we want a Midwesterner, may as well get the guy who comes from the capital of the Midwest, and he will have a lot of visibility at the convention, hosting and chairing it.

    Plus, we would not lose a Dem governor, since Illinois will elect a Dem to replace him. Because it's Illinois.

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    He would be replaced (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 03:55:11 PM EST
    by Governor Hobbs.  He would be a good choice.

    I think the striking thing is how many really good choices there are.

    I might go with Shapiro.

    Parent

    Does the Democratic ticket lose any support (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:06:52 PM EST
    in swing states (which honestly is all that matters) from Shapiro being Jewish? Might that be too many "firsts" at one time? Or from his being more pro-Israel than the median Democratic voter these days (while Harris is not)? In Michigan, in particular? I don't have a good sense of this as a factor. (Is the percentage of "uncommitted" votes in the Dem primaries a useful indicator, or not?)

    Parent
    Great question (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:12:51 PM EST
    I forgot he was Jewish

    😔

    Parent

    Mitch Landrieu. (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 05:39:29 PM EST
    See my post below.

    Parent
    Vance (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:10:25 PM EST
    is a real weak link I think.  The contrast with him and especially the debate with him are - IMO - really important.

    Shapiro is a good attack dog.  But I think that should be considered.  

    Along with the person being capable of being president, of course.

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    Shapiro is absolutely terrific. Bright, charming (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:44:38 PM EST
    politically savvy. No doubt about it. I have been super impressed with him since he was my county commissioner, almost ten years ago. He is likely to become our first Jewish president. But I do have qualms about him on a national ticket with Kamala Harris (whose own husband is Jewish).

    Parent
    Ironically (none / 0) (#126)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:16:38 PM EST
    Democrats are being "forced" to make this a DEI hire, only cis-male-white-Christian from fly over country need apply.


    Parent
    They are "forced" to do this (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:32:40 PM EST
    because they think rationally

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    For the record (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:34:56 PM EST
    I've been hearing and reading this and it seems odd to me democrats would use the republican framing that a "DEI" hire is a bad thing you need to be forced to do.

    Parent
    I (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:50:23 PM EST
    was just joking, I don't how Dems are framing the DEI but the Rebulicans are using as a crude racial cudgel, and I mean cruide and obvious,

    Parent
    This afternoon (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:53:48 PM EST
    It's looking like Mark Kelly.
    Hobbs can replace him and people like Astronauts.

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    There (none / 0) (#133)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 05:13:19 PM EST
    is really a very deep bench of talent on the Dem team.

    Probably a dozen or so that would make sense to bme.


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    Plus (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:42:17 PM EST
    I don't think it's true.  If you can believe anything you read Shapiro is very much still in the running.

    He's still on my bingo card,

    Parent

    Selfish maybe. (none / 0) (#137)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 03:59:14 PM EST
    But I want Shapiro to say Governor of the Commonwealth for now. He has more work to do.

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    I like Shapiro, Cooper and Beshear. (none / 0) (#96)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:10:49 PM EST
    So far, it does not seem like Beshear is being considered.

    I love this line from him.

    Kentucky Gov. Beshear on Sen. JD Vance's comments today: "J.D. Vance is a phony, he's fake. I mean, he first says that Donald Trump is like Hitler, and now he's acting like he's Lincoln. The problem with JD Vance is he has no conviction, but I guess his running mate has 34."

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    They always say (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:17:53 PM EST
    no one votes for the Vice President.  Usually true.

    This is an unusual year.

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    Those Vance quotes (none / 0) (#108)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:23:07 PM EST
    about Trump need to be run over and over and over again.

    As ad in itself.


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    Those Vance quotes (none / 0) (#109)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:23:45 PM EST
    about Trump need to be run over and over and over again.

    As an ad in itself.


    Parent

    I just updated (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 03:58:13 PM EST
    FREEDOM (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 08:18:33 AM EST
    This is very hopeful (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 04:49:58 PM EST

    Justice Kagan Backs Outside Ethics Panel
    July 25, 2024 at 5:11 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 20 Comments

    "Justice Elena Kagan said Thursday that she would support the creation of a committee of judges to examine potential violations of the Supreme Court's new ethics code, speaking out as President Biden and others are increasingly calling for reform at the high court," the Washington Post reports.

    CNN: Kagan says Supreme Court's code of conduct should be enforced by other federal judges

    Biden could make this the focus, or at least A focus, of his last few months.

    He might not be in a position to do much but he can plow the ground.
    It would be the best thing he could do.

    CNN (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 07:58:25 PM EST
    Is reporting that not only is Vance the most disliked VP candidate ever but is underwater16 points in the rust belt. Beshear was right when he said that his book insulted the people who live in Appalachia.

    And then there is the couch...

    Man (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 08:21:54 PM EST
    the couches me boys, the childless cat ladies attack at dawn.

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    Go Kamala! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:26:09 PM EST
    I think Shapiro for VP but some have suggested a 2 woman ticket with Whitmer. Not sure about that with all the misogyny. I see a lot of advocacy online for Buttigieg but it seems gays are not too hot with that. Maybe our gay friends here can explain that one.

    I (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:32:40 PM EST
    am thinking Beshear, I do hope Buttigieg gets a shot down the road.

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    I have heard (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:07:13 PM EST
    his name bandied around but I'm not sure what he brings because he's not gonna bring KY so what voters would he move?

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    He (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:14:32 PM EST
    could help in Pennsyltucky and other parts of the Midwest and South.

    Whitebread, telegenic, less frightening to "flyover country" The media seems predisposed to like him.


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    Nice (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:18:35 PM EST
    counter to the faux hillbilly on the other side.


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    Roy Cooper, (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:19:05 PM EST
    Governor of North Carolina has been discussed as helping to win that state.  However, he is age 67.  Too old for the times.  Beshear is 46.   Mark Kelly may help in Arizona, but he is 60.  

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    I (none / 0) (#15)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:26:53 PM EST
    Like Kelly but two from the West, eh.

    It almost has to be a white guy from can be plausibly called part of "fly over" country.

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    Need to (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:15:14 PM EST
    be careful on any senator--is the governor a Democrat and what are the conditions, such as appointment until the next election. Can't afford to lose any Democratic senators.

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    Speaking of which ... what happens if (none / 0) (#26)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:48:04 PM EST
    Menendez resigns or is ousted?

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    Menendez will (none / 0) (#100)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:43:34 PM EST
    resign August 20.  Democratic Governor Phil Murphy will appoint a replacement to fill the remainder of Menendez's term which ends on January 3, 2025.   (per NJ Globe)

    Democratic Representative Andrew Kim is the Democratic nominee for this senate seat in the fall election.  The interim appointment would give him a leg-up on seniority if he should win. However, it is reported that the governor is considering others for the interim apointment.


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    Gov. Murphy's wife ran against Kim (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:48:09 PM EST
    in the primary. Kim kicked her butt. I hope the governor gives the interim seat to Kim and not to his wife.

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    Menendez will (none / 0) (#101)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:43:34 PM EST
    resign August 20.  Democratic Governor Phil Murphy will appoint a replacement to fill the remainder of Menendez's term which ends on January 3, 2025.   (per NJ Globe)

    Democratic Representative Andrew Kim is the Democratic nominee for this senate seat in the fall election.  The interim appointment would give him a leg-up on seniority if he should win. However, it is reported that the governor is considering others for the interim apointment.


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    Menendez (none / 0) (#104)
    by Coral on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 05:32:03 PM EST
    resignation as of Aug 20 has been announced.

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    The Republican (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 10:06:17 AM EST
    ticket has two white guys.

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    I posted this explanation of the process (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:38:49 PM EST
    In the last thread but it's worth a repeat.  With all the hysterics about the complications now.

    its really very straightforward

    And it will be all over before Aug 7

    I resisted the idea of an all female ticket and maybe the giddiness will wear off but .... maybe.

    I mean (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 03:40:29 PM EST
    If you are going to live or die by the votes of women it might be good to REALLY ask for them.

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    There are (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:06:10 PM EST
    definitely some advocacy for that and some good thoughts but after 2016 I am not so sure about an all woman ticket.

    Though it would be rich for someone like Whitmer to go up against creepy Vance.

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    That is IMO (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:09:30 PM EST
    the strongest argument for it.  You really want a woman to debate Jughead.

    It's not 2016 Any more

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    Armando (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:09:16 PM EST
    is dunking all over Obama and his open primary tweet. Is Obama mad he didn't get what he wanted? I guess he got Joe gone but he wasn't the only one that wanted that. Is Obama not politically astute enough to realize an open convention with an unknown candidate always leads to a GE loss?

    Where is (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:27:14 PM EST
    Armando posting comments?

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    "Armando" on Twitter/X (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:59:22 PM EST
    Posting is like his full time job these days, it would seem. Quite prolific. And uninhibited.

    Parent
    I used to read Armando's tweets till (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:24:13 PM EST
    X made it so you have to have an account to be able to read the tweets.
    I didn't want to do that.


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    for years, he's been posting only (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:21:44 PM EST
    on Twitter, and doing some podcasts.

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    Armando has (none / 0) (#19)
    by leap2 on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:03:49 PM EST
    a twitter page. That's where I read him.

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    On twitter (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:04:42 PM EST
    I refuse to call it by the new name.

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    Is it Hulu or Margaret Atwood (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:12:29 PM EST
    who has the final say on giving permission to use clips from A Handmaid's Tale in ads?

    did you post this in the (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:22:20 PM EST
    wrong thread?

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    A new TIME (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 04:34:16 PM EST
    Does she (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 05:54:22 PM EST
    get to pick the VP if she wins the nomination?

    Yes she would get to pick (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 01:42:55 AM EST
    Her VP candidate: interestingly, I read that
    If Biden had resigned and she became president, her VP pick would have to be confirmed by Congress

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    My friend is in Branson tonight (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 07:20:13 PM EST
    So (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 10:16:54 AM EST
    46.7 million (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 09:03:42 PM EST
    raised in the first 5 hours

    Political suicide (none / 0) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 10:27:05 PM EST
    CBS News' Margaret Brennan said her sources warned her it would be "political suicide" for another Democrat to challenge Vice President Harris for the party nomination.

    Link (none / 0) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 21, 2024 at 10:29:34 PM EST
    Juggernaut (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 07:20:32 AM EST

    he Kamala Harris Juggernaut
    July 22, 2024 at 8:10 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 21 Comments

    Playbook: "In a matter of hours yesterday, Kamala Harris garnered endorsements of a majority of House Democrats (153 as of this morning), most Senate Democrats (32), and twelve of the nation's 23 Democratic governors. Two key unions -- SEIU and AFT -- are on board, and four state delegations to the Chicago convention (New Hampshire, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee) have voted to back her."

    "The widespread and immediate outpouring of support, which will continue to trickle in today, is a testament to the Democratic Party's eagerness to move on from the last 25 days of infighting, as well as Harris's own underrated skills as a backroom coalition builder."

    "Meanwhile, what is now the Harris for President campaign took in $49.6 million in grassroots donations since yesterday's announcement."



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    Supposedly (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 08:18:54 AM EST
    she will have enough delegates by Wednesday to secure the nomination.

    I'm left still wondering about those who want an open convention and what their goals are.

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    Same (none / 0) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 09:05:55 AM EST
    old goals, fame and money. There is plenty of money out there for a "contest" polling, consulting, punditry...billions Show-Biz /advertising streams. The canidates could wear corporate logos

    Certain other Democrats are in it for the fame (read narcotism)or some  misguided defense of "democratic values"

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    Well (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 09:17:01 AM EST
    what do you think Obama's goal is in all this wanting an open convention? I don't understand at this point what Pelosi and Obama's goals are here. Your point about fame, money, attention yeah, I get that with Manchin saying he's going to run.

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    In (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 10:23:33 AM EST
    Obama's case I would say narcissisms, he thinks he should hold the torch as the true Democratic kingmaker.

    Not sure what Nancy's angle is but her main job was the lead the pack trying to talk Joe while ruffling the least feathers as possible.I don't think she wants any part of king or queen making.

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    Obama's (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 10:52:23 AM EST
    narcissism has cost us a lot and now seems to be his undoing. Whatever. He can endorse or not but I imagine he will be forced to get on the train because he is being left behind by the party.

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    Obviously, the Goal is (none / 0) (#46)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 12:10:25 PM EST
    to get a candidate who has a better chance at beating Trump if by convention time the polls show that it is unlikely that Kamala can.

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    That doesn't seem "obvious" to me at all (5.00 / 5) (#48)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 03:44:57 PM EST
    The goal is to defeat Tr*mp. By the time of the convention it may be too late to pick a different candidate, much less one that has a better chance -- beginning from that starting point -- of winning. Particularly considering the cost of dropping Harris, particularly in the form of anger or at least bad feeling among women and non-white Dems, especially Black women. If polls are disheartening at that time, the "obvious" path is to solve the problem by finding additional ways to persuade more people to vote for Harris than for Tr*mp in the states that matter.

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    The Case for Having the Coronation (none / 0) (#49)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:17:48 PM EST
    at the Convention, rather than before, is well made by Graeme Wood in the Atlantic. For example, why not keep Trump guessing as to whom he needs to attack?  Already Stephen Miller is whining that the Dems have messed up the Trump strategy by having Biden drop out.

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    So (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:24:18 PM EST
    I did not know who that was so I consulted WIKI

    In regard to the 2024 United States presidential election, Graeme Wood opinions that the Democrats are making a huge mistake by suddenly rallying behind Kamala Harris. [11]

    Which had to be added in the last 24 hours.  Probably by him.  You think he might be doing this with an agenda.

    Of getting clicks and links from folks like you.

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    The (none / 0) (#35)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 07:36:49 AM EST
    Democrats can take advantage of the next shiny object fetish of the American media and public.

    After being handed bushels of lemons over the last couple of months, it's time to start mixing up a big batch of kick ass lemonade.

    But this is the Dems we are talking about, they are likely to be arguing whether to use sugar or artificial sweetener.

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    Will Trump sue the DNC? (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 10:47:51 AM EST

    Trump Is Still Attacking Biden
    July 22, 2024 at 11:30 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 32 Comments

    New York Times: "In his posts since Mr. Biden's announcement, Mr. Trump has so far not taken direct aim at Ms. Harris or other popular Democrats who have at various points been mentioned as possible options for the ticket."

    "Instead, Mr. Trump has fallen back on attacks on Mr. Biden that largely echoed the ones he has been making for years."

    Trump Freaks Out Over Biden Leaving Race
    July 22, 2024 at 10:46 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 365 Comments

    "Joe Biden's exit from the 2024 campaign and the rise of Vice President Kamala Harris as the leading contender for the Democratic ticket has provoked a nuclear-level meltdown from the right -- especially from Donald Trump," Rolling Stone reports.

    "In a series of Truth Social posts, Trump also complained that he had been unfairly forced to spend money campaigning against Biden, and even suggested that `the Republican Party be reimbursed for fraud' now that he wouldn't be running against the president."

    "Trump even hinted that he may back out of the scheduled presidential debate in September, unless major changes are made in his favor."

    "Trump's musings became more unhinged as the night went on. In another post, he suggested that Biden was faking a recent Covid-19 diagnosis. The rant extended into the early hours of Monday morning, when Trump accused Democrats of having stolen the nomination from Biden."



    Nancy is in (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 02:56:07 PM EST

    Nancy Pelosi Endorses Kamala Harris
    July 22, 2024 at 1:38 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 170 Comments

    "Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is officially backing Vice President Harris to be the Democratic Party's nominee, an endorsement that came one day after President Biden announced that he would no longer seek re-election," The Hill reports



    So (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:25:01 PM EST
    far the Democrats are making this look smooth.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans heads are exploding, after months of saying Joe must go, instead of gloating over their "victory" they appear to be stompimg their feet and calling it unfair.

    Republicans are idiots, projection is a dangerous drug. They know that Trump would NEVER quit like this so they were shocked when Biden actually did the right thing.

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    Agreed (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:36:13 PM EST
    They were surprised.  Its kind of amazing they were but you are right, it makes sense.  

    They can't understand the act.  They seriously never imagined or could ever imagine Biden would quit for the greater good.

    I look forward to the conspiracy theories.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:55:26 PM EST
    more than anything Trump seems to spinning a narrative that sleepy ole Joe pulled one more fast one on poor old Donnie on the way out the door. Even dumb as a rock Kamala  pulled off her part perfectly.

    Always projection, always victimhood.  

    It's  funny how Macho man trump always seem to be falling victim to nefarious plots engineered by feeble old men and dumb broads and other assorted losers and vermin.

    Why do huge swaths of the population consider this sniveling whiner to be a heroic figure? That is the
    one aspect of Trunpism that I continue to find most
    puzzling.

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    I hear (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 05:03:07 PM EST
    Trump is now opening his performances with "It's a Man's World" by James Brown,

    Until someone sues him for using it.

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    Are those people really stupid and sexist (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 06:40:03 PM EST
    enough to think they can gain ground against Harris by accusing her of having an affair, 20 years ago, with California legislative leader Willie Brown when he was separated from and divorcing his wife? And because she has chosen (or ended up, for whatever personal reason) not to have kids? They want to run her sexual ethics and family values against Tr*mp's?? Bring it on! Way to lock in the women's vote, not to mention men who care about women.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 07:28:52 PM EST
    I think they totally are

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    Per CNN, 81 million in campaign donations (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 04:57:09 PM EST
    in the first 24 hours.
    And, almost 30,000 new volunteers have signed up for her campaign.
    Thank-you Joe Biden for doing the right thing!


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    The people (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 05:46:10 PM EST
    that follow him on Truth Social say he has literally been having a complete meltdown today over and over.

    I think he keeps attacking Biden because he's demented and also because his campaign has told him to not say anything racist and sexist which is nearly impossible for him. they literally are going to have to have him playing golf until November to keep him from shooting himself in the foot.

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    He thinks his campaign should be reimbursed (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 22, 2024 at 05:56:22 PM EST
    because Joe Biden and the Democrats committed "fraud."

    This guy is a demented bozo.


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    There's also (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:17:44 AM EST
    his buddy the late great Hannibal Lector who eats brains. Maybe he thinks Lector ate his brain.

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    Reading around the progressive world (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 08:41:39 AM EST
     this Kamala thing is starting to feel a bit like ...... 2008. It feels good.

    I would (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 08:58:44 AM EST
    say the upside is far greater and the downside way worse. McCain did not want to be a king. The upside is someone who understands the threat of the GOP.

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    Your standard knee jerk response (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 09:15:22 AM EST
    Took 17 minutes.  Must be because the site is slow today.

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    Along those same lines (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 09:37:49 AM EST
    I really like that Kamala has Eric Holder vetting VP candidates.

    Personally I hope it's a sign Holder might replace Milk Toast Merrick.

    One thing we are going to need is an actual functioning AG

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    No sorry changed my mind (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 09:42:08 AM EST
    it sould be Jack Smith

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    I like Sally Yates as AG. (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 10:11:00 AM EST
    i want Jack Smith to remain in place as special counsel, slowly grind Donald Trump into the linoleum floor of the federal courtroom until there's nothing left but a dingy orange spot, and then make Rudy Giuliani clean up the stain with his toothbrush.

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    I think MAGA (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 11:25:15 AM EST
    would cry a lot if Holder returns.  

    I'm sure Sally would be good.

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    I would (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 09:53:54 AM EST
    definitely prefer Smith over Holder. Yates would be good but she probably couldn't get confirmed.

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    Replaced (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 10:20:32 AM EST
    by a fire plug may be an improvement.  

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    Garland is (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:03:12 PM EST
    to Biden what Comey is to Obama.

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    Garland has been out to lunch (none / 0) (#111)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 08:07:45 PM EST
    for 3 1/2 years.

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    IMO, Garland (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 07:17:06 AM EST
    was given a consolation prize. Poor pick for SCOTUS and even worse to give him DOJ. Hopefully, President Harris will correct this mistake.

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    BEWARE THE BUMP (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 01:57:08 PM EST

    It's just a passing fad

    Trump Campaign Warns of Harris Bump in the Polls
    July 23, 2024 at 2:43 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 36 Comments

    From a new memo from Trump campaign pollster Tony Fabrizio:

    "Given what has happened over the past couple of days and her impending VP choice, there is no question that Harris will get her bump earlier than the Democrat's Convention. And that bump is likely to start showing itself over the next few days and will last a while until the race settles back down."

    He also said the Harris bump will "last a while."



    I hope (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:30:44 PM EST
    it lasts through the convention all the way to November. I sincerly hope the election is not going to be like the last 2 with thousands of votes in a few states.

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    The news (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 02:00:27 PM EST
    Is reporting that Shapiro and Kelly are the leading VP candidates with Whitmer and Cooper out. Maybe that is a head fake and maybe not.i can see reasons why Cooper age and Whitmer 2 woman ticket would be out.

    Whitmer (none / 0) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 03:15:53 PM EST
    Gretchen Whitmer knocks down VP talk: 'I'm not leaving Michigan' LANSING -- Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Monday endorsed Kamala Harris for president and knocked down speculation she could seek the Democratic Party's vice presidential nomination. "I'm not leaving Michigan," Whitmer told reporters in Lansing.

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    When Joe was (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 04:00:27 PM EST
    elected in 2020 a friend of mine said Joe is the right person for right now. I said well, let's see because you never know how things are going to turn out. I will say that prediction has turned out right. And he's a devout Catholic that he gets no credit for being from religious conservatives.

    It seems like Kamala may be the right person for the right time too.

    Mitch Landrieu for VP. (none / 0) (#105)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 05:35:59 PM EST
    There's my pick. Former New Orleans mayor and Lt. governor of Louisiana. He took down the confederate statues in New Orleans, including Lee from Lee Circle on St. Charles.

    He is (or was) co-chair of Biden's re-election campaign. He is not a current office holder. So no one loses an elected Democrat. I said midwesterner earlier, I think a southerner would fit the bill as well. And New Orleans southerner is not a MS or AL type southerner.

    He is brother to former Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu. I've always liked this guy. He's smart. I think he would be the perfect pick (if he'll take the job).

    James Carville (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 23, 2024 at 06:27:06 PM EST
    mentioned Mitch. I had not thought of him before then.

    Andy Beshear really impresses me. However I would have to leave the people of KY with some crackpot as gov.

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    Trump seems to be trying (none / 0) (#113)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 12:44:31 PM EST
    to do a little public pivot away from the hard-right, or as he calls them, "the severe right."

    "There's this thing people are talking about, the 25 Project? I don't know anything about."

    He says that even though a handful of his his colleagues were instrumental in putting it together.

    I wonder if this new 'I'm not an extremist' schtick has anything to do with him getting winged.

    Too bad (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 04:22:17 PM EST
    His VP wrote the forward to the new project 2025 book. This is what you get when you let your idiot son do the picking.

    Do we wanna put odds on him dumping Vance?

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    Doubtful (none / 0) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 02:27:24 PM EST
    More likely reptilian instincts for survival.   As an entertainer he has an ability to read the room, and Project "25", he found, is not playing well.  JD Vance, however, is not helping with the distancing program.

    Right (none / 0) (#115)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 02:45:41 PM EST
    He also probably senses (correctly) that Kamala can pursuasively drive home the threat of the GOP's Handmaid's Tale project in a way that Joe didn't have the energy to do.

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    Taking Trump down (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 04:12:14 PM EST
    is looking like woman's work.  

    She is going after him and saying things about him and eventually to him that Biden, or any man really, ever could.

    I think it's her time.  Not to wax rapsodic


    Parent

    Her pointing out (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 05:16:09 PM EST
    She put criminals like Trump in jail is awesome. I have been waiting for that from someone

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    If you didn't see Bidens (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 07:19:56 PM EST
    oval office address you should find it.  Its a remarkable thing.  You feel proud of this person and sad for him and really glad he is no longer the candidate.  It was painful to watch.

    I really don't want to say anything bad about him because that was an amazing thing.  But man.

    An elegant (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 09:14:46 PM EST
    salute to democracy and the need to subordinate personal ambitions, where necessary, to sustain it.   A consequential president who bowed out of his campaign with dignity in short supply among some Democrats of late.  I look forward to seeing him take Kamala Harris out on the dance floor at her presidential inaugural ball.

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    Chris Matthews (none / 0) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 25, 2024 at 07:00:34 AM EST
    Said Biden has been underrated his entire career. I think he was right.I am sure there is a big send off planned for him at the convention

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    here, on (none / 0) (#120)
    by leap2 on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 08:44:57 PM EST
    An elegant (none / 0) (#122)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 24, 2024 at 09:17:52 PM EST
    salute to democracy and the need to subordinate personal ambitions, where necessary, to sustain it.   A consequential president who bowed out of his campaign with dignity in short supply among some Democrats of late.  I look forward to seeing him take Kamala Harris out on the dance floor at her presidential inaugural ball.

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    Meanwhile back on earth one (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 03:55:38 PM EST

    Federal Judge Decries Efforts to Downplay January 6
    July 26, 2024 at 3:40 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 58 Comments

    "The longest-serving district judge on the federal bench in Washington, D.C., warned Thursday that false rhetoric about the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol -- including the sorts of lies hurled by former President Donald Trump and some of his congressional allies -- poses an ongoing danger to the nation," Politico reports.

    "Judge Royce Lamberth, a Reagan appointee to the bench, said the `destructive' misinformation, spread by political leaders who have downplayed and misrepresented the attack, had become pervasive."

    Said Lamberth, in a court filing: "In my thirty-seven years on the bench, I cannot recall a time when such meritless justifications of criminal activity have gone mainstream."



    Back in the (none / 0) (#143)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 09:46:54 PM EST
    1990$, Judge Lamberth  was one of the major Clinton bashers ---on a par with Ken Starr.  Glad to learn he has evolved.

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    JD Vance says parents (none / 0) (#138)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 04:06:18 PM EST
    should have more say in the future of the country than non-parents. So, how does this work? Going forward my vote only counts half? Or does the parent get two votes?

    If this were to come to pass (I'm sure it won't), here's my proposal. If parents have more stake in the country's future, then remove any tax deductions for children. You say more, you pay more. Add a tax credit for all childless people.

    Eliminate school taxes for ALL childless people. My wife constantly complains about our having to pay school tax. (I don't). I have no children in school (I have no children), but I do believe in the public school systems. Someone paid for me to get an education (albeit no in PA), I believe in paying that forward.

    That is going to end (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 04:18:01 PM EST
    his VP candidacy.  I really think so.  Not just that but he has been defined, by himself as much as anything,  as weird. He is weird and creepy and Trump will find a way to dump him.

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    That video of Kamala taking the call (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 04:21:17 PM EST
    from the Obama's is very well done.

    but there's a long stretch there where it's really fun to put thought bubbles over her head while she is talking to them

    "Welcome to the party pal"

    "We always have to make an entrance don't we?"

    Etc

    A nation speaks (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 05:00:47 PM EST
    Proposed Constitutional Amendment (none / 0) (#142)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 26, 2024 at 05:13:05 PM EST
    Introduced by Joseph Morelle, D, NY
    ``SECTION 1. No officer of the United States, including the President and the Vice President, or a Senator or Representative in Congress, shall be immune from criminal prosecution for any violation of otherwise valid Federal law, nor for any violation of State law unless the alleged criminal act was authorized by valid Federal law, on the sole ground that their alleged criminal act was within the conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority of their office or related to their official duties, except for Senators and Representatives acting pursuant to the first clause of the sixth section of the first article. ``SECTION 2. The President shall have no power to grant a reprieve or pardon for offenses against the United States to himself or herself. ``SECTION 3. This amendment is self-executing, and Congress shall have the power to enact legislation to facilitate the implementation of this amendment.''.
    The article 1, section 6 exception is
    The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.


    If the Democrats are Smart (none / 0) (#144)
    by RickyJim on Sat Jul 27, 2024 at 07:57:53 AM EST
    They will make passage of this amendment a plank in their platform and force all their Republican opponents in the November election to say whether or not they support it.

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    Vote for me (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 27, 2024 at 09:20:37 AM EST
    and you will never have to vote again!

    Christians, get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine. You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians... In four years, you don't have to vote again."

    -- Donald Trump