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1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq

By Jeralyn, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 04:25:43 PM EST
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Newsweek reports on the more than 1,000 American kids who have lost a parent in Iraq.

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    1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq | 33 comments (33 topical)
    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#1)
    by glanton on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 06:06:56 PM EST
    Not to worry. I'm sure all the talking points from the Administration straight through the media will help them tremendously.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 06:54:15 PM EST
    And how many American kids have permanently disabled/disfigured parents because of the war in Iraq?

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 08:49:18 PM EST
    Truth Probe: Personally, I never liked that orange blogger theme but that is just me. If I can remember correctly there is a theme called tic-tac that you should check out.

    Great content though.
    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 09:16:29 PM EST
    This is, of course, a tragedy. But not one of those American orphans saw his or her parents blown to bits in front of them, and got splattered with their blood, like this girl.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 03:00:41 AM EST
    Yeah, I think your headline should have the modifier "American" before "Kids" - after all a hell of a ltot more kids than 1,000 have lost parents in Iraq since the American invasion - being Iraqi they don't count to Newsweek - but they could still at least be acknowledged covertly by TalkLeft...

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#6)
    by john horse on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 04:18:15 AM EST
    Agree about the Iraqi orphans, but that does not diminish the loss for the 1,000 "American" children left behind (Bush's No Child Left Behind Except From My Unjustified War Act).

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 06:58:47 AM EST
    This is a terrible statistic for both the American and Iraqi children. One question though: Would there be more or less Iraqi children without a parent with Sadaam in power? I'm not trying to justify anything, it's horrible any way you cut it. I do believe you have to honestly consider both sides.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 07:30:38 AM EST
    LCA, not only weren't there REMOTELY 100,000 (Lancet estimate) Iraqis being killed every two years by the Hussein regime, the fact is that there WERE an estimated half million Iraqi children killed during the 90's. Not by Hussein, though, but by the "U.N." (in reality, U.S./U.K. maintained and enforced) sanctions. Which, I hasten to remind you, were supposed to ensure that Iraq disarmed and, I also hasten to remind you, we know now that during the entire decade Iraq WAS disarmed (speaking of WMD, of course), so that the entire sanctions, just like the invasion, were a fraud which killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 07:49:25 AM EST
    ...NO REASON WHATSOEVER.
    would only disagree with that portion of statement, the reasons are well known and documented, how much is petro in your area?

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 08:07:43 AM EST
    I don't see how it is possible for anyone to question whether the Iraq War was the right thing to do at this point. How many (potentially) millions of lives will be saved because of the Iraq War? No more Saddam, democratic reforms taking place left and right in the Middle East. The lives of Americans and Middle Easterners have and will be made dramatically better by the Iraq War. Those who have died in the Iraq War are heros, but they have hardly died in vain.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#11)
    by Johnny on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 08:34:21 AM EST
    I'll believe the "democratic reforms left and right" when it actually comes to fruition. But thats considered hijacking a thread, so I will simply offer my condolences to all those people who have lost family members to this stupid war.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 08:55:46 AM EST
    to this stupid war. Stupid war? Try stupid statement. To call this a stupid war considering current event defies all logic. Read a papaer or watch the news every once in a while. How can you ignore the obvious unbeliveably amazing effects of this war? Stupid war? Absurd statement.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#14)
    by soccerdad on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 09:28:37 AM EST
    of course the Iraq war is stupid, anyone with a sense of reality understands this. There were no WMDs. There were no links to terrorism. It has made us less safe by instilling more Muslims with a hatred of the US. Bush and the war have done more for the advancement of Islamic governments in the middle east than anyone else. Yet the purpetrators and funders of 9/11 have gotton off practically scott free. WMD equipemnt was stolen from unguarded sites in the days following the downfall of Saddam anre are likely now in the hands of people who wish us harm. Ciuntries that are knwon to have spread nuclear material all over the globe are considered our friends and rewarded with more foreign aid. Meanwhile the war is speeding up the bankruptcy of the US as well as having alienated many of our former allies. We have killed over 100k Iraqis in 2 years going far beyond what Saddam had done in recent years. We have 1500 Americans killed and an unknown number maimed. Its unknown because they refuse to accurately count them and bring them into Walter Reed in the middle of the night. The only question that remains is how big a diaster is this going to be in the long run.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 09:49:48 AM EST
    Soccerdad would tell you the sky isn't blue on a sunny day. Let us examine his brilliant insights: of course the Iraq war is stupid, anyone with a sense of reality understands this. Even the Bush hating NY Times recent editorial begged to differ with this point. You name it lately, they've come out with recent praise. So I guess has no one has a "sense of reality" but Soccerdad. It's ok Soccerdad, you can admit it... There were no WMDs. There were no links to terrorism. It has made us less safe by instilling more Muslims with a hatred of the US. Bush and the war have done more for the advancement of Islamic governments in the middle east than anyone else. Yet the purpetrators and funders of 9/11 have gotton off practically scott free. WMD equipemnt was stolen from unguarded sites in the days following the downfall of Saddam anre are likely now in the hands of people who wish us harm. Ciuntries that are knwon to have spread nuclear material all over the globe are considered our friends and rewarded with more foreign aid. Ture enough, no wmds found, and I'll even concede their were minimal (not none- see Sadam's payments to suicide bombers and caring for Al-Queda operative in hospital) links to terrorism. But this ignores the fact that not only US intelligence, but almost every other countries intelligence thought he had wmd's. Plus, he certainly would have done whatever he could have until the day he died to get them, and I'm sure his sons would have followed suit after that. This guy was a ticking time bomb. Had to deal eventually. Also, getting rid of guy who wanted nothing less than to remove the US from the map has not made us "less safe". And starting an unprecedented wave of decmocratic reform has and will make us considerably more safe for years to come. No longer do these people have nothing to live for. Our prospects for a long life have increased 100 fold by this action. Meanwhile the war is speeding up the bankruptcy of the US as well as having alienated many of our former allies. Yeah, it's cost a lot. We'll have to deal with that. Our allies have been irresponisble and wrong. We have killed over 100k Iraqis in 2 years going far beyond what Saddam had done in recent years. We most certainly have not killed 100k Iraqis. That figure includes those killed by the terrorists. We have 1500 Americans killed and an unknown number maimed. Its unknown because they refuse to accurately count them and bring them into Walter Reed in the middle of the night. A brave 1500 have died so that millions of Americans can live in enhanced peace and security for years to come. You would rather keep the people enslaved to these brutal dictators, and keep us in a constant state of panic. You offer no hope, and continued oppression only. The Bush plan offers both hope for the middle eastern people, and enhanced security for Americans. The only question that remains is how big a diaster is this going to be in the long run. What separates people like you from those who opposed the abolition of slavery in the 1800s? What do you offer? Nothing. Just stay repressed people of the middle east. We'll stay out of your business, and you'll stay slaves. Except a few of you will be pissed off about your lot in life, and you'll blame the US. No longer Soccerdad. And it is all happening despite your sahmeful efforts to stop it. The early 21st century left-wing will be recorded in history as black mark in American politics. One which your grandchildren will be embarassed to discuss. Those who would rather just leave everyone enslaved. Shame....

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 10:05:05 AM EST
    It has made us less safe by instilling more Muslims with a hatred of the US. Interesting that some here feel that we should change our course of action because of our concern that our actions are making us more enemies among Muslims, yet the reverse can't possibly be true for those Muslims who are fighting against the US. In other words, it's inconceivable among some folks here that Muslims would ever start decrying their own actions as those actions are instilling more US citizens with a hatred of Muslims.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 11:19:00 AM EST
    Eli - you don't even know where I am comming from and you're already yelling. So, if the UN/US sancions were responsible for getting rid of the WMD's as well as orphaning thousands, were the sanctions effective? Do you think Sadaam would have somehow leesened the oppression of his people had Iraq not been under sanctions? Oh, right, maybe we should have not invaded and just kept them under sanctions until we were absolutely sure there were no WMDs - oh, wait, then thousands more children would have died...hmmm, yes, I got it, lift the sanctions, oh, but the you have the WMD's possibility...what to do...

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#18)
    by Johnny on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 11:28:16 AM EST
    Hey MB, I could have sworn I heard Bill O-Reilly make your exact rant almost word for word. The kind of "Shut up, believe everything the MSM tells you to believe" crap. Besides, this was about orphaned children, not your rose tinted view of the administration. So show a little respect for those that have been killed in this stupid war, and tip your hat to those that went over there (which, I am assuming, was not you) and call around and see how you can support the orphaned children of these heroes. Until then, why don't you stick your right wing propaganda on a thread where it belongs.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 11:36:36 AM EST
    a) I called the 1500 "heros" who have died for our safety. That's not respect? b) Once again, to call this war "stupid" defies all current reality, and may be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard (particularly in light of current events). c) don't usually watch O'Reilly d) sorry, but my commnents are very appropriate on this blog.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#20)
    by soccerdad on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 11:59:58 AM EST
    Interesting that some here feel that we should change our course of action because of our concern that our actions are making us more enemies among Muslims, yet the reverse can't possibly be true for those Muslims who are fighting against the US. In other words, it's inconceivable among some folks here that Muslims would ever start decrying their own actions as those actions are instilling more US citizens with a hatred of Muslims.
    This conflates two issues and is a non-sequiter. More Muslims are hating us not because we went after the people behind 9/11 but precisely because we didn't. We have used 9/11 as an all encompassing excuse to attack a country that nothing to do with it. Second plenty of Muslims expressed their disqust with the attacks of 9/11. The radical Muslims would hate us no matter what, over a basic principle should be not to turn moderates into radicals.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#21)
    by soccerdad on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 12:02:08 PM EST
    MB - your arguments are old stupid and have been refuted by many here many times. And frankly it just gets too time consuming to respond to every uniformed wing nut who comes here and spreads his crap.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 01:53:46 PM EST
    Soccerdad, its about 20,000. the fact is people do not understand iraq history and who made that guy saddam, and why he got so poweful with the help of our government, and the fact that 35 percent of iraq is not muslims, it has jews and christian and a help of a long history. hey people its really all comes down to bush and the oil business of the world and not to help anyone but the big boys, and hell paying 5 dollars for gas can help bush "alot" and help you right into the third world and a loving government of evil rats.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#23)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 01:54:56 PM EST
    This conflates two issues and is a non-sequiter. Hardly, but why argue about it. The radical Muslims would hate us no matter what, over a basic principle should be not to turn moderates into radicals. I assume you meant "our basic principle should be not to turn moderates into radicals." Again, there are Muslim actions which are turning moderate Americans into radicals. There are two sides to a fight, right or wrong, fair or not to your point of view.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#24)
    by Patrick on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 04:40:36 PM EST
    Posted by soccerdad at March 14, 2005 01:02 PM MB - your arguments are old stupid and have been refuted by many here many times. Refuted? I don't think so. Just because you don't agree with a position, it's not automatically "refuted" or stupid for that matter. You've become very bitter lately, is everything OK?

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#25)
    by soccerdad on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 04:51:53 PM EST
    They've been refuted and you know it. There was no evidence of WMD's. Bush knew they weren't there and didn't care. As far as being bitter the country is going in the toilet and no one cares.we have a torture apologist as AG, we have a lunatic thtas so on the fringe that hes the most extreme neocon there is. The economy is headed for a major crisis, and the cuts have already started. people don't count only corps and their profits count. The only new jobs coming out are low paying service sector jobs. i have 4 kids one of whom is disabled and they have already started to cut whar little service I have been able to get him so he has no future. Yeah I'm bitter and if you don't like it you can put yopur head back up your a**. The people who think everything is just fine are for the most part nationalists who don't see the trends around them

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 06:23:15 PM EST
    Soccerdad There was no evidence of WMD's No evidence? The NYT seems to think that there was plenty of WMD machinery that was looted. I call that evidence. Plus, everyone thought there was evidence. Don't make me start posting quotes from Clinton, Hillary, Kerry, et all, your going to give me carpal tunnel.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 07:41:42 AM EST
    The only new jobs coming out are low paying service sector jobs. i have 4 kids one of whom is disabled and they have already started to cut whar little service I have been able to get him so he has no future. Sorry to hear about your kid Soccerdad. I'm sure that is frustrating.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#28)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 10:51:10 AM EST
    everyone thought iraq had wmd because the bush administration's goal was to prepetuate that myth and they succeeded. the new york times, on this issue, as much as i like the paper, was misled on this issue by judith miller, who was herself misled by the administration. on purpose. those in the real know kept telling us otherwise, but we chose to marginalize them and label them as anti-american or agenda-driven or traitors or whatever. seems we've already forgotten how much dissent their was before this. our national memory is getting shorter by the second. come again?

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 11:23:56 AM EST
    There was evidence of WMD. NYT has satellite photos showing 10 WMD Weapons facilities being looted for high-tech nuclear machinery. As far as Bush pushing the issue, the Clinton Admin. had many, many, many things to say about evidence of WMD's (post '98). They certainly believed he had them. If Saddam had complied with the UN Resolution, and offered *proof* of their destruction, he might still be stomping on the Iraqis civil rights to this day.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#30)
    by soccerdad on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 11:47:18 AM EST
    if Soc has refutations, let him post links.
    ACE stick it up your a** I have posted them repeatedly over the last year and you just ignore them. So whats the point people like you, RA and PPJ ignore all the inconvientent data and articles and just keep spouting your crap as if its true and you never supply links you hypocrtical piece of pond scum. Yeah I know you don't link the tone, like I care.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#31)
    by soccerdad on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 11:48:29 AM EST
    MB Thanks for the kind words, appreciated. Sorry for the tough words earlier

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 03:14:41 PM EST
    Horse with known Name would that be like the photos CNN posted of the korean and iranian nuclear plants ***(CNN removed the korea picture, but here's a spot that's still live.)*** notice any thing odd, now you offer up photos from nyt as gospel. now, where do you suppose they got military satellite photos? hhhhmmmmmmmm! reread:
    dadler at March 15, 2005 11:51 AM
    for the facts! your energies and definitely loyalties are misplaced.
    ...our national memory is getting shorter by the second.
    selectively of course.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 06:03:00 PM EST
    Outside No, I mean the satellite photos of Iraqi Weapons Facilities being looted for machinery capable of making Nuclear-arms components. Read Sunday's NYT.

    Re: 1,000 Kids Have Lost Parent in Iraq (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 08:28:58 PM EST
    TL, it's pretty much moot, scrolling off the bottom, but the headline on this has bothered me in the back of my mind all week (yeah, that's how much I care). It should say 1,000 -U.S.- kids have lost parent. I know the body clarifies, but the headline itself is subconscious propaganda. 10s of 1,000s of kids have lost a parent in Iraq.

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