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Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalty

Supreme Court Justice Anton Scalia gave a speech Monday. I can envision massive protests in the streets if Bush has the audacity to name him Chief Justice when Justice Rehnquist retires.

Justice Antonin Scalia criticized the Supreme Court's recent decision to strike down the juvenile death penalty, calling it the latest example of politics on the court that has made judicial nominations an increasingly bitter process.

In a 35-minute speech Monday, Scalia said unelected judges have no place deciding issues such as abortion and the death penalty. The court's 5-4 ruling March 1 to outlaw the juvenile death penalty based on "evolving notions of decency" was simply a mask for the personal policy preferences of the five-member majority, he said.

"If you think aficionados of a living Constitution want to bring you flexibility, think again," Scalia told an audience at the Woodrow Wilson Center, a Washington think tank. "You think the death penalty is a good idea? Persuade your fellow citizens to adopt it. You want a right to abortion? Persuade your fellow citizens and enact it. That's flexibility." "Why in the world would you have it interpreted by nine lawyers?" he said.

He might as well say the Constitution is a piece of flotsam, to be flushed away whenever a majority of a state's voters decide to enact a law that refuses to recognize the rights embedded within it. If he doesn't think he should be protecting the Constitution, he should retire, not lobby for a promotion to Chief Justice.

Here's a quote from a 1996 Scalia speech:

I'm not very good at determinating what the aspirations of the American people are. I am so out of touch with the American people. I don't even try to be in touch.... If you want somebody who's in touch with what are the evolving standards of decency that reflect a maturing society, ask the congress."

Has there ever been a case in which Scalia found a violation of the 8th Amendment's ban against cruel and unusual punishment? In this case, decided on the issue of qualified immunity, where an inmate was left in the sun for seven hours while tied to a hitching post, deprived of adequate water and any bathroom breaks, Scalia would have found no 8th Amendment violation. He joined with Thomas in a dissent that said, at footnote 12,

I continue to believe that “©onditions of confinement are not punishment in any recognized sense of the term, unless imposed as part of a sentence.” Farmer v. Brennan, 511 U.S. 825, 859 (1994) (Thomas, J., concurring in judgment). As a result, I do not think, as an original matter, that attaching petitioner to the restraining bar constituted “punishment” under the Eighth Amendment. See ibid.

Nevertheless, I recognize that this Court has embraced the opposite view–that the Eighth Amendment does regulate prison conditions not imposed as part of a sentence, see, e.g., Estelle v. Gamble, 429 U.S. 97 (1976)–so I will apply that jurisprudence in evaluating whether respondents’ conduct violated clearly established law. I note, however, that I remain open to overruling our dubious expansion of the Eighth Amendment in an appropriate case. See Farmer, supra, at 861—862 (Thomas, J., concurring in judgment).

Scalia didn't find California's three-strikes law and a 25 year to life sentence cruel and unusual under the 8th Amendment where the defendant's third strike was stealing $150 of videotapes from a Wal-Mart.

In 1989, Scalia voted in Stanford v. Kentucky, that the execution of a 16-year-old boy was not cruel and unusual punishment. At a speech at the University of Chicago, Scalia said the state had the moral authority to act "in place of the Lord in carrying the sword." He said judges who don't believe in the death penalty on moral grounds should resign.

Scalia criticized the Court's decision to ban the death penalty for mentally retarded defendants:

"The fact that juries continue to sentence mentally retarded offenders to death for extreme crimes shows that society’s moral outrage sometimes demands the execution of retarded offenders," Scalia also wrote.

Justice Scalia says he does not advocate a strict constructionist view of the Constitution. (See this article which says he's an "originalist.") But the 8th Amendment doesn't define "cruel and unusual punishment." It just prohibits it. So how can there be a strict constructionist view? Answer: There can't be. It doesn't exist, by definition. Scalia's strict constructionist view is in reality an abrogration of the 8th Amendment. It renders it a nullity. It's judicial extremism, and it's also judicial activism in that it affirmatively denies a constitutional right.

Scalia's point about unelected judges fails the logic test. All laws overruled by the Supreme Court are done by unelected judges. If the Supreme Court overturns Oregon's physician-assisted suicide law in Ashroft v. Oregon this fall, passed by the voters in 1997, won't that be an act of unelected judges substituting their interprepation of the Constitution over the will of the voters and elected officials?

It seems to me Justice Scalia just objects to judicial interpretation when he doesn't like the outcome. He's a judicial activist and an extremist and he should not be Chief Justice.

[Ed: corrected to note that Justice Scalia insists he is not a Strict Constructionist.]

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    The fish rots from its head. Scalia should have resigned rather than install Bush, but he's not honorable like that. Now the traitor will be Bush's choice to fishhead the fake SCOTUS, to join the other felons in Bushliar's Demockery. Scalia admits his own nonentity...what does that have to do with our Supreme Court? My poodle pisses on his leg, and Lincoln's poodle would do the same.

    Killing children? I say lower the age of an adult to 15.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#3)
    by DonS on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 04:41:24 AM EST
    and you think the Supremes should decided the election of a President instead of counting all the votes, well that's just activist usurpation.

    In a 35-minute speech Monday, Scalia said unelected judges have no place deciding issues such as abortion and the death penalty
    Wonder if he realises he's one of them "unelected" judges? :-) Who says irony is dead?!

    If he thinks judges have no place deciding such issues, why doesn't he recuse himself?

    well said, ginger yellow. Be consistent. demonstrate integrity. Not much chance of that with this demagogue.

    I have never liked Scalia. I have always thought he was a self-important, arrogant, blowhard with a ridiculous judicial philosphy. That said, when he first joined the Supreme Court at least his decisions were well-thought out, reasonable and consistent, even if I thought he was wrong most of the time. But in the last ten years or so, in both his decisions (especially his dissents) and public statements he has gotten increasingly shrill and outright bizarre. I don't know if he is suffering from some kind of dementia or just drunk on power, especially since he has his own hand-puppet in Clarence Thomas, but he is downright scary.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#8)
    by John Mann on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 07:02:36 AM EST
    BrownPower has the right idea, and I don't know why anyone in the America of George W Bush hasn't thought of it before: simply change the definition of the word "child". Since many Americans wouldn't go for the idea of killing children... sorry, young adults, the redefinition could continue to be phased in gradually until getting to the desired age, perhaps 10 or 11. This shouldn't be terribly difficult; after all, the age of accountability used to be 21, then 18, then 16 - and really, it hasn't taken a very long time to get there. President Bush could easily get it down to 14 over the next 4 years and Justice Scalia could be happy again.

    It's very hard to argue that the 8th Amendment forbids capital punishment for "children" under the age of 18 when the legal age of adulthood in this country at the time it was written was 14.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#10)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 07:22:01 AM EST
    Does he have any idea how hypocritical he sounds?

    Scalia has shown himself to be uniquely unqualified to be judge. His last speech shows that he wants to be removed from the bench because he is disqualifying himself from a judicial seat by stating that the judiciary is unneccessary to majority rule. This is not the view of the Constitution and it's writers. What Mr. Scalia is doing is nothing less then advocating sedition. Hence, he should be brought before the Senate for impeachment due to his dereliction to his sworn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. Unfortunately neither Republican nor Democratic Senators will stand up to the sedition being espoused by Mr. Scalia.

    Now that Scalia has announced what the role of the SCOTUS is not, maybe he could offer up an ideal of just what it is supposed to decide.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 08:43:00 AM EST
    If we are considering lowering the age of adulthood to 15, I assume 15 yr. olds will be able to buy beer and tobacco, be given the right to vote, marry, consent to sex...etc. You can't call them adults when you want to execute them, and children when they want the rights of adulthood.

    Kdog, I agree, but I do wonder: Are you suggesting that 18-20-year-olds should not be able to vote? Or are you suggesting that they should be able to drink?

    I can envision massive protests in the streets if Bush has the audacity to name him Chief Justice when Justice Rehnquist retires. Can you? I wish I could. I fear it is likely to pass in terrible indifference: Fox News will laud him, and most people won't care. I thought there would be more protest over Gonzales as Attorney General - a man who has argued that the President is above the law.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 09:31:05 AM EST
    jpaul...I suggest bringing the drinking age back down to 18. 18 yr. olds (college freshman) drink like fish anyway, who are we kidding? It is difficult to put a number on "adulthood", some 16 yr. olds are more mature than some 19 yr. olds. But 18 seems like the best compromise.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#17)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 09:50:29 AM EST
    scalia is an angry, bitter man, who believes we all need to get the majority's permission to do everything, whether what we do has any impact on anyone else. if he's so proud of the death penalty, why isn't he praising china and iran and saudi arabia? because he's so full of sh*t it's a wonder he can draw a breath. watching deep personal dysfunction constantly on display with this guy is nauseating.

    Dadler you got that right, as far as the system cares we are nothing but things to be used by government and tools to be used for the coming third world and the coming third world war. both side are our real enemies.

    kdog, Sounds good to me. And I know what you mean about some 16 year olds and some 19 year olds (or 50 year olds for that matter).

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#20)
    by nolo on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 10:34:47 AM EST
    What's bugging me most (at the moment) about Justice Scalia's position is this: It's highly disingenuous. He knows quite well that he doesn't mean that Supreme Court justices shouldn't make decisions about things like abortion or the juvenile death penalty. He's saying that Supreme Court justices should reach the conclusion's he's reached about these issues, which are that the Constitution either (a) doesn't address them or (b) doesn't preclude legislatures from restricting abortion access or allowing the execution of juveniles.

    "calling it the latest example of politics on the court" A former example being their selection of Bush as pres in 2000. Hypocracy is not a strong enough word.

    It's very hard to argue that the 8th Amendment forbids capital punishment for "children" under the age of 18 when the legal age of adulthood in this country at the time it was written was 14. Its not hard at all if you realize that the provisions it was copied from in the Virginia Constitution and English Bill of Rights were clearly historically established not to prohibit merely a particular set of defined punishments envisioned at the time, but punishments that offended the conscience; the original intent cannot be viewed realistically as anything but creating a standard that would be applied according to changing social mores, rather than in a static way with particular punishments added or deleted by further amendment or legislation -- specifying particular proscribed punishments and letting the legislature adapt the proscribed list was an alternative to the 8th amendment language that was rejected by the framers of the US Bill of Rights, so the clear intent was to do something different from that.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 11:11:12 AM EST
    No doubt paul. Both sides of the aisle seem to use the "tweeners" (15-21) as pawns for their agenda. All I long for is a little consistency, which is so hard to come by in politics and the legal system both.

    On my way to work, by coincidence I tuned into CSPAN Radio, and caught the last 15 minutes of his speech. He considers himself to be an Originalist. Thus, he sees his task as an interpreter of The Constitution as it was originally intended by their authors. In other words, what was the intentions of the authors of the 8th Amendment back in 1787, or what was the intention of the authors of the 19th Amendment in 1920. According to him, Congress can change the constitution if they wish. For example, if they decide to ban the Death Penalty that is fine with him, for it is Congress (ie Elected Officials) who are the only ones to make laws and amend the constitution. His job is to interpret laws and determine on how they comport to the Constitution. According to him, the moment that judges start to creatively find new meanings to the Constitution, the Constitution looses all meaning. For it would then be left to the whims of judges (ie Un-elected Officials), to create new laws. Not grounded on its intended purposes. Did anyone here hear his speech, or read his transcripts? By your comments, it doesn´t seem likely. MAny of you are fully misunderstanging his statements and peging him onto positions which he has never stood for. Daddler & Ken, you are way of chart on him.

    The godz of nihilism require we condemn and kill innocent children without due process before their first breath while coddling the bloodguilty who have themselves condemned and killed innocents without due process. Consistency preserved...

    Bendito, Scalia´s point is that if we were to ban juvenile death penalty, it is the Legislative Branch who should be the ones to ban it, not the Judiciary. That is being consistent.

    If he's so hot on Congress and not the Court making law, why DIDN'T Scalia interpret the Hayes/Tilden Law according to what its writers intended? Judges are often gasbags, but Scalia is a liar and one of Bush's clowns, complicit in destroying our voting rights. He should resign, but then how would he get all that free Federal Constitution toilet paper?

    We could get rid of the problem of unelected federal judges interpreting the Constitution simply by electing them - just like the Senate, six year terms, one third elected every two years, with the obvious 3/3/3 split for the Supreme Court. It might even get people to pay attention to off-year elections, if Supreme Court justices were in play.

    We could get rid of the problem of unelected federal judges interpreting the Constitution simply by electing them Only problem with this idea is that the Constitution provides for appointed judges with lifetime tenure.

    In regards to this statement: "He might as well say the Constitution is a piece of flotsam, to be flushed away whenever a majority of a state's voters decide to enact a law that refuses to recognize the rights embedded within it. If he doesn't think he should be protecting the Constitution, he should retire, not lobby for a promotion to Chief Justice." Your ignorance protrudes from each sentence. First off, it’s obvious that you don’t know what Scalia means when he says “"If you think aficionados of a living Constitution want to bring you flexibility, think again,". What he means by “Living Constitution” is this ridiculous concept of the constitution being a “living document”. Proponents of this fallacy imply that the constitution needs to change, or evolve as society evolves. What we get then, is a document that is useless in it purpose, being interpreted in light of whatever society deems it should say, rather then what it was originally intent on saying. Hence the term “original intent”. Scalia’s argument and dissent is to preserve the constitution, not “flush it away”. His point is that his colleagues disregarded the original intent of the constitution by interpreting it via their own societal biasness, and making it say something that it doesn’t actually say. The constitution doesn’t say anything about the “right to choose”, but it has a whole lot to say about the right to live. The term “separation of church and state” is nowhere in the constitution, however judges are constantly making up rulings as if it was. His colleagues weren’t concerned with what the constitution actually said, they were more concerned with how they “felt” about the case/law, and particularly, about how it’s viewed by the rest of the world. So now, our constitution is to be scrutinized by world opinion. Why even have a constitution?

    If the Scalia/Thomas/Rhenquist bloc scares you, and the prospect of Bush appointing more conservative justices scares you more, would Scalia as CJ really be a terrible thing? IMO, not necessarily. The CJ gets the same number of votes as everyone else -- one. Yes, the CJ gets to assign opinions, and many games can be played by that. But effective CJs are ones who can negotiate, persuade, and compromise to achieve their ultimate goals. Scalia can write persuasively -- to the choir, at the very least -- but he's probably the worst candidate for negotiation and compromise on the court, as his dissents demonstrate. The prospect of him forming coalitions to achieve conservative goals -- as opposed to achieving them through brute force -- is low. If the goals of the conservative bloc scare you, the real spectre should be a (seemingly) more moderate and polished conservative with good negotiation skills -- an Earl Warren of the Right. That ain't Scalia.

    You'll have certainly the right ideas about lowering the age of an adult to about 15 or 16. Consider that our children are more knowledgeable than they were 50, 100 years ago and their civic responsibility should reflect that. They should also be able to get married at that age instead only being allowed to get knocked up or have an abortion.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#33)
    by soccerdad on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 01:04:18 PM EST
    You'll have certainly the right ideas about lowering the age of an adult to about 15 or 16. Consider that our children are more knowledgeable than they were 50, 100 years ago and their civic responsibility should reflect that
    I agree that they are more knowledgable, but I think in other ways they are less mature and less responsible. A hundred years ago many 14 year olds had left school to work on the family farm, at the family business etc. Their practical knowledge of how the world works may have been more developed than today. many kids don't get out into the "real" world now until after college. I would say for the most part it shouldn't be lowered at all, and should be at 21 IMO

    Why is it "Originalists" never pay attention to the original Bill of Rights, especially the original 9th Amendment. There are many rights in the Constitution that are nowhere found (enumerated) in the text of the Constitution. Who else would determine these, if not judges?

    Paul in LA, Jees, you are still smarting over Gore v Bush. The reason why The Electoral Count Act of 1887 was not addressed, was because it wasn't the question before the court. The court was there to determine whether the Florida Supreme Court had oversteped its bounds, in trumping the Florida State Legislature in its State Electoral Laws. The Fla Supreme Court oversteped its powers over the State Legislatures when: 1) it extended the recount deadline beyond the time the Florida Electoral College was to convene, not comporting to the Safe Harbor Clause of 3 U.S.C. § 5, 2) and admitting for count, incoming absentee ballots beyond the established receipt deadline. Again, Scalia's position is that of an interpreter, not a creator of law. According to his position, the Fla. Supreme Court was creating new laws when it ruled on Palm Beach Canvassing Bd. v. Harris. Get it straight will you?

    Allen, Again, Scalia's position is that if there is to be a Right written in the Constitution, it should be duly ammended. Not decided at the whim of a un-ellected judge.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#37)
    by nolo on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 01:53:02 PM EST
    I wonder how many "originalists" are also fans of tort "reform," and I also wonder how they square it up with the Seventh Amendment. On the same subject, I was listening to the radio the other day, and heard some law student from Tulane University say that "Ralph Nader and his trial lawyer cronies" need to realize that bringing suit in court is a privilege, not a right. I about did a spit-take. Guess he hasn't taken Constitutional Law yet. Ah well.

    Actually, the Bill Of Rights, and the other amendments for that matter, make my point. What the Bill Of Rights does is, it brings clarity to the articles of the Constitution, basically, helping to see the “original intent” of the constitution. The reason why these amendments were made, particularly the Bill Of Rights, was to prevent Judges from seeing things that aren’t there. There was a fear that without proper definition of certain terms, then some things could be interpreted based more on popular opinion or whim, rather then law. Hmm, sounds interestingly similar to another matter that all of a sudden is “up for interpretation”

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#39)
    by nolo on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 02:09:54 PM EST
    Phill, as I recall, the fear was that, in the absence of the Bill of Rights, the Constitution would be interpreted as not guaranteeing those rights because it was silent as to those rights. Conversely, those who opposed adopting the Bill of Rights didn't oppose it on substantive grounds. Instead, they opposed it because they were afraid that by enumerating certain rights, the Bill of Rights would create the impression that those rights that were not specifically enumerated were -- you guessed it -- not protected by the Constitution. All of which plays holy hell with a rigid "originalist" interpretation of the Constitution in general and the Bill of Rights in particular.

    Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. --- Requiring a right to be amended into the Constitution before it can be claimed to exist directly contradicts this.

    Torquemada needs to loosen his Opus Dei thong a little. He hasnt been the same since Vicky "Youre a bad,bad judge"Morgan left the scene.

    I happened to catch Scalia on C-Span while channel surfing Monday.I have no background in law or political science,so my thinking may sound naive and I apologize for wasting your time.Scalia kept referring scornfully to a "living Constitution" and himself and his brethren as noble "originalists".As I understand the Constitution,it was the result of a compromise of several dozen 18th century "originalists", so Scalia's presumption to divine the true intent is simply the delusion of a 21st century judge who insists that his "living Constitution" is the only correct one.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#43)
    by nolo on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 05:57:41 PM EST
    rs, you get the prize. Emperor Justice Scalia's got no clothes.

    nolo - Look, I am old. Heck, I know old. But, ....."as I recall..." Really? et al - Funny. Most of the people enamored of IX don't like X.

    Slimy trees, the ruling by Scalia and the other four toadies for Bush was in itself, law aside, a total violation of their vow to honor the constitution. All five had parisan involvements in the Bush campaign, had stated their preference for president, and should have RECUSED themselves, except they aren't honorable like that. The constitution wants disputed federal elections resolved in the people's House. In Scalia's present commentary, he admits to the opinion that judges aren't committed to flexibility. And here he and the other four justices who disgraced themselves are so flexible that they bend the Original spirit of the Constitution around their own political purposes. Disgusting. That would make sense to you, except you aren't honorable like that.

    Soccer Dad they dont work at 14 anymore because of our culture not whether they are capable or not. "Children" all over the world still work long hard hours barely seeing any educational instruction and religiously speaking a woman is an adult when she shows signs of puberty i.e. menstration.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#47)
    by soccerdad on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 10:03:22 PM EST
    BrownPower, you make a good point that its cultural. I feel that responsibility is a big part of being an adult and I think kids come to grips with it later now, thats all. Its one consideration.

    What an oddity. Scalia is a judge who hates the idea that lawyers and judges should participate in applying and interpreting the law in light of the facts. He is a public official who hates recordings of his appearances and remarks. He acts like some kind of commissar. I do not think he like democracy or the rule of law. He really prefer the rule of autocrats.

    I fully agree that the legal age of adulthood should be changed. But it needs to be consistent. Legal age to join military: 13 Legal age to consent to sex: Inapplicable. Sex outside of marriage is prohibited for all ages. Legal age to be eligible for execution: Birth. Legal age to drink: Never. Drinking is the tool of the Devil. Legal age to dance: Never. See above. Legal age to vote: Dependent upon the maturity of the individual. Political literacy tests will be administered; individuals who have not yet come to the conclusion that the GOP is the only party that deserves to govern will be not be considered adults eligible to vote. Now the definition of an adult is consistent. Consistent with Scalia's ideology.

    PIL - Mind showing me that part of the constitution? If there is a tie, it goes to the House. A tie is not a dispute. BTW - Read Boq's 3/15 2:23PM post. Since you seem to have some difficult in reading sometimes, let me explain it. You are not allowed to change the rules of the game during the game.

    PPJ: It's the Constitution, Jim, just not as we knew it. You have to understand that, according to Kennedy and his four fellow travelers, the meaning of the Constitution has changed since 1989. It's that simple. And if you accept that logic, there is no leap you cannot make. That this is clearly a double-edged sword seems not to be of interest at the moment, but it will be when five conservative judges decide that the Constitution has changed again. Then the real screaming will start.

    He considers himself to be an Originalist. Thus, he sees his task as an interpreter of The Constitution as it was originally intended by their authors. That's what he says, sure. OTOH, his opinions do not reflect that. In other words, what was the intentions of the authors of the 8th Amendment back in 1787, or what was the intention of the authors of the 19th Amendment in 1920. Its pretty clear that the intent of the 8th Amendment in prohibitting "cruel and unusual punishment" was to create a standard that would evolve with the social context and not to prohibit a fixed list of punishments which it would require further Constitutional amendment or Congressional legislation to alter, since those options (leaving prohibited punishments up to the Congress and not including a fixed prohibition, and prohibiting specific defined punishments) were discussed and rejected at the time. But Scalia instead reads the 8th Amendment as doing exactly what it was clearly intended not to do -- creating a fixed set of prohibited punishments at the time it was adopted rather than prohibiting punishments that outrage the conscience.

    You have to understand that, according to Kennedy and his four fellow travelers, the meaning of the Constitution has changed since 1989.
    This is false. First, the majority identified several errors in the 1989 opinion. Second, the majority noted that under the standards that existed before the 1989 opinion, and which the 1989 opinion applied (however improperly), relevant factual circumstances had changed over the years which produced a different outcome. They did not rule that the Constitution changed. They ruled -- as they have previously, on many occasions, in opinions which Scalia has joined and in at least one case authored -- that the Constitution made the social context a relevant fact in determining whether a particular punishment was cruel and unusual. Applying the same law to different facts can yield different results. Now, Scalia presently has a different view on what the 8th Amendment law should be now that the majority applies the view he used to embrace and comes up with a different conclusion based on the present facts. Scalia can hardly be called principled, here.

    You have to understand that, according to Kennedy and his four fellow travelers, the meaning of the Constitution has changed since 1989. Pop quiz. What currently serving Supreme Court Justice wrote this for the Court in 1989:
    Thus petitioners are left to argue that their punishment is contrary to the "evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society," Trop v. Dulles, 356 U.S. 86, 101 (1958) (plurality opinion). They are correct in asserting that this Court has "not confined the prohibition embodied in the Eighth Amendment to `barbarous' methods that were generally outlawed in the 18th century," but instead has interpreted the Amendment "in a flexible and dynamic manner." Gregg v. Georgia, 428 U.S. 153, 171 (1976) (opinion of Stewart, Powell, and STEVENS, JJ.). In determining what standards have "evolved," however, we have looked not to our own conceptions of decency, but to those of modern American society as a whole.
    And concluded the opinion thusly, firmly resting Eighth Amendment constitutionality on the objective indicia of the present social context:
    We discern neither a historical nor a modern societal consensus forbidding the imposition of capital punishment on any person who murders at 16 or 17 years of age. Accordingly, we conclude that such punishment does not offend the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.
    Hint: the answer is not "Kennedy".

    He (yeah, it's not O'Connor, either)also wrote:
    For as we stated earlier, our job is to identify the "evolving standards of decency"; to determine, not what they should be, but what they are.


    Wow, the logic in this post is lame.

    He acts like some kind of commissar. I do not think he like democracy or the rule of law. He really prefer the rule of autocrats. Scalia has publicly expressed approval for the divine right of kings and has expressed disapproval of democracy because the system is an inefficient conduit of God's will towards man. He was especially impressed with the selection of leaders through the cauldron of combat. God expressing himself in the randomness of war. In the context of this of attitude, one can imagine that Scalia felt he was realizing God's will in the appointment of Bush as President in Gore v. Bush. All of this originalist claptrap is just smoke and mirrors used to disguise his true contempt for the democratic institutions established in our Constitution.

    Scalia has publicly expressed approval for the divine right of kings and has expressed disapproval of democracy because the system is an inefficient conduit of God's will towards man.
    Really? Do you have a source for that?

    "Posted by Jim: "You are not allowed to change the rules of the game during the game." Wow, look in the mirror much? "The policy is not regime change." -- Powell Recusal by partisan judges with expressed bias in the SCOTUS in 2000 -- IGNORED Finding by the Civil Rights Commision requiring Justice Dept. investigation of Florida disenfranchizement in 2000 -- IGNORED Signed affidavits from Ohio election officials that the election stolen in Ohio in 2004 -- IGNORED 14th Amendment/Voting Rights Act -- IGNORED Right to recount of federal elections, right to have vote counted, right to cast a vote -- According to Jim, doesn't exist. Yep, you are working hard to cover Bush's arse for him, but in reality you are MILES from legality, and parsecs from Constitutionality, along with your pals on the rotten fish SCOTUS.

    "Posted by Paul in LA: "Slimy trees, the ruling by Scalia and the other four toadies for Bush was in itself, law aside, a total violation of their vow to honor the constitution." Sorry, 'slimy trees' was obscure. It's what Boquisucio's name looks like to my casual look. That would have to be Bosque sucio. It's 'Dirty mouth,' not slimy trees. 'Lying mouth' would be a more correct translation.

    PIL - You are truly unaware. Just one comment. The votes were recounted in WA until a Demo lead was established. Then, with over 11,000 left, the Demos quit. Hypocrite, thy name is PIL.

    Paulie LooLoo, Slimy Tree, you had me scratching my head for a while. I'll give you a C- for effort.

    "Posted by Jim: "PIL - You are truly unaware." Another entirely unresponsive ad hominem from you, Jim. What a freaking surprise. "Just one comment. The votes were recounted in WA until a Demo lead was established. Then, with over 11,000 left, the Demos quit." I have stated repeatedly my willingness to recount THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, especially the 28 states where the right to a legal recount has been removed by a conspiracy of Republican vote-fraud companies associated with Bushliar, who have been CAUGHT stealing elections in several states, but Bush's DOJ could not care less about OUR MOST IMPORTANT RIGHTS. There are too many gay marijuana smokers with shocking pink pants to go after, too many terrorist gun rights to protect. "Hypocrite, thy name is PIL." No, Jim, it's reserved for you. You have this odd characteristic of not processing rebuttal, not offering logical argument 90% of the time, and totally ignoring the insane levels of cognitive dissonance in your worldview. I almost pity people like you.

    Re: Scalia Bashes Banning of Juvenile Death Penalt (none / 0) (#64)
    by Walter on Thu Mar 17, 2005 at 12:28:25 AM EST
    duck hunting anyone?

    Scalia: "For me, therefore, the constitutionality of the death penalty is not a difficult, soul–wrenching question. It was clearly permitted when the Eighth Amendment was adopted." And so was slavery, so HOW does he justify ruling at all on the death penalty, since arguably a slave being property can be killed at will. Or can they? What did they do exactly at March 19, 1787? What was the standard for slave execution at will? Scalia is permissive. He believes that what is permitted is equivalent with what is moral. What is permitted in 1787 is the standard to be applied, or make another in 1788, and so on. What Scalia really is is a bigger version of Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General of the fake US gov't under Bushliar. He's Fat Antonin, to Skinny Alberto. A couple o' t'ugs.

    cmdicely: In an article entitled God's Justice, and Ours, Scalia more than hinted that he believed in the divine right of kings, provided of course that the claim was legitimate. And yes, in the article he makes it clear he does not think much of democracy. link [Ed. links must be in html format or they skew the site. We fixed this one.]