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U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture

By Jeralyn, Section War on Terror
Posted on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 07:11:29 PM EST
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The U.S. says it is close to capturing alleged al Qaeda leader al Zarqawi.

He is believed to have been in a car that was stopped in February. His laptop was seized but he got away.

A February raid by a covert US military unit came so close to Zarqawi that he fled from the vehicle in which he was traveling on foot, leaving his computer behind, say government sources.

How did he run away with only one leg?

Al-Zarqawi is then believed to have fled to Iraq in 2001 after losing a leg in a US missile strike on his Afghan base.

Some other times Zarqawi has been close to capture:

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    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#1)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 07:59:52 PM EST
    Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Keep trying. Where's Osama, mama?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 08:13:10 PM EST
    Hey, we got his laptop! There's no question we're getting close when we start capturing his computer gear. So what operating system and programs was he using?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 09:26:47 PM EST
    Hey Che: I asked the same "where's Osama" question of the Clinton administration after they refused to take him at the request of the Sudanese government. Do you realize how many lives would have been saved had Billy C simply accepted the offer? Unfortunately, because Monica and her magical cigar took precedence over fighting terrorism, we are now forced to try to find Osama under his terms.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:17:58 PM EST
    GM...Yes it's Clinton's fault! Our great friends the Saudis wouldn't help out. If only we had a prez who could hold their hands and whisper sweet nothings in their ears at the time!

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#5)
    by Johnny on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:25:33 PM EST
    yeah GM... who was it exactly that blew that hummer all out of proportion? Let me think, oh I dunno, could it be GOP!?!?! blaming Clinton for Osama is ridiculous and absurd. I am going to stop there, because all the wrong wingers on here stop after saying somethng like that. Wanna blame someone for Osama? Blame God. Blame English-style colonization. Blame US-Mid east relations. Blame pierced belly buttons. don't blame Clinton (who by the way had almost zero days in his presidency where he was not bombing and killing people considered enemies, said bombing stopping soon after the Chimp took office). I believe more and more that Osama just might be a figment of someones twisted imagination. I bet our next president is offered Osama and somehow forgets to go and pick him up. I mean, a man wearing a turban, riding in either a jeep or atop a camel, and from all accounts lugging dialysis equipment around, a desert no less! should be easy to find. We can llok at nude sunbathers with satellite dishes, we can't find terrorists? Come on, the worst thing for this admin to do right now is find the people we are after! We will almost catch ol Zarqi a few more time before we decide he ain't that important.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:35:07 PM EST
    In all seriousness, who cares were Osama is if he is incapable of organizing any effective attacks on us? Granted, I as much as anyone want to see him dead, but is that a higher priority than rolling up the networks and supporting casts of people, countries, and organizations that do the harm? really get the sense Osama is becoming old news in the mideast- he no longer holds the appeal. The luster of throwing ones' self out as a human bomb or simple moving target for the Marines does not seem to be as big on the top ten vaction highlights for the mideast, either. I hope we do catch him (actually, I hope we kill him, as I really don't think having a court proceeding featuring Osama and his lawyer Ramsey Clark would be very useful or worthwhile) but I'll live with it if he is rendered useless, forced to spend his days looking over his shoulder. Just a thought.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:57:41 PM EST
    Hey who cares? where is Bin Laden? maybe at the Ranch with Abdullah? after-all both have the same Family.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:25:06 AM EST
    Gerry: That's funny. There I was thinking that the Counterterrorism Center's report said there were 625 terrorist attacks last year, not including Iraq, more than at any time since its survey began. I must have been mistaken. I agree that Osama isn't what he once was (which was always a figurehead and financier than an operational or ideological leader) but the notion that terrorism "no longer holds the appeal" it once did is ludicrous.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:38:51 AM EST
    et al - Giggle all you want, but Clinton had an opportunity, and didn't take it. That is a shame. The stated reasons have been various, but the one that seems sincere is that the administration didn't think they could legally hold him. Of course if they had just tried....

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:39:39 AM EST
    ONLY a Bush apologist can excuse the Bush Administration's failure to capture first Usama, and now Al-Zaraqawi. "We'll get him," means exactly that, and if you could muster 150,000 to fight a war that never happened (WMD's, rememember?) you could get enough guys together to find a guy who ACTUALLY murdered 3000 Americans, doesn't everyone agree? Trouble is, getting Saddam was Bush's pet project, and over-rode his desire to get Bin Laden. Knowing Bush, he's ticked that Bin Laden was behind 9/11 and not Saddam. More of Bush's tough talk and no action. The only butts he's kicked since coming into office are those of the poor and of Iraqi civilians who can't duck fast enough. Americans can find a way to get to the moon, they could find Saddam in a spider-hole for great Christmas ratings, but Bush can't find Bin Laden...big surprise.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:07:46 AM EST
    Yowsa, I hope they ketch old Zar and put 'im in a squad car.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:20:17 AM EST
    Does anyone else find it darkly disturbing that this gov't will fight tooth and nail to execute a poor dupe who was sitting in a jail cell on 9/11 and yet can't even muster up the effort to track down the GUY WHO DID IT? The Bush body language says it all- "Don't bring up Usama 'cause I'm past him and couldn't care less where he is...until the next bombing..." Anyone want to see Bush get impeached? The next "Usama-Surprise" might just do it if, God-please-forbid Usama strikes again. What will Bush's excuse be? Don't forget, they had a chance to get Al-Zarqawi before the war, but they didn't want to lose a good excuse to invade...that tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about Bush's war on terror...it's a PR exercise...

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:25:10 AM EST
    U.S. Says Osama ben laden Near Capture 09/21/01,09/11/02,09/11/03,09/11/04.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:27:37 AM EST
    What is Zarqawi's favorite Blogs?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:30:48 AM EST
    Probably the White House website and Scott McClellan's daily potty-sessions. When's the last time we had a coded alert anyway, or was that just for "election run-up" consumption?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#16)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:47:32 AM EST
    Somebody get that troll off me! Clinton! We got Clinton here!

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 08:05:32 AM EST
    >Sound of Blaghdaddy laughing and falling out of his chair< Hey Che, why did Bush have to go around the world to topple a dictator who abused his people when there's one 90 miles from Miami? Better falafels in Baghdad, says Bill O'Reilly. If Bush wanted to talk about freedom, and it has nothing to do with oil, there's a little isla bonita not far away... Anyways, Al-Zarqawi is the new American bogeyman because, let's face it, not looking for Usama is hard work...you keep having to answer questions...Al-Zarqawi should do it...if not, what's Clinton's laptop hold? Gotta start somewhere...

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 09:24:36 AM EST
    Is it merely a coincidence that: a)Bush is way down in the polls; b) Bolton is hanging by a thread; c) lead faux-Christian Delay is a painful thorn ; d) Iraq is still a mess and we have no exit strategy; e) Big Oil has no firm grip on Iraq's oil; f) gas prices rocket in time for summer vacations- that the government tells us they ALMOST caught the Little Big Man. Plus they tells us and A.Q.- we have his computer stuff too. What's next? Elevated Homeland Security Alert?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#19)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 09:29:57 AM EST
    The government is turning al-Zarqawi into a legend with their misplaced pr.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#20)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 09:46:08 AM EST
    Blaghdaddy should keep his pants on. Bolton wants us to invade Cuba toot sweet to eliminate their bioweapons program. The one that sent a lung cancer vaccine to be tested in the US this year.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:00:18 AM EST
    Blaghdaddy has one better: Why hasn't the U.N. begun an investigation into America's WMD program (namely, the one that just sent a deadly flu virus to thousands of labs around the world by mistake..."Oooops!") That's WMD than Saddam EVER HAD...don't know whether to laugh or cry...

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:37:22 AM EST
    Zarqawi also died in 2002, according to news reports at the time. There is no Zarqawi.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:39:10 AM EST
    gm's trolling for morsels eh. Blaghdaddy do you actually think that was a "mistake". one or two vials are a mistake, hundreds/thousands, the conspiracy theories have started. where's Fred D'when you need him.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:46:49 AM EST
    Blaghdaddy has no evidence of a conspiracy, nor is he pushing one. Blaghdaddy just figures a hell of a lot more people are dying from American actions than all terrorist attacks put combined...America is a WMD with this Bush crowd at the switch. They contemplated nuking N. Korea or China if either made a move on their allies...this is terrorism...nuclear war has been a fear and not a reality for fifty years, and who's bringing up the specter of "isolated nuclear strikes?" Not Al-Zarqawi. Not Saddam. Not Iran. Not N. Korea. That's right...Bush. If that ever happened, we'd have to find a new planet...not that the neocons care- they'll all be sitting at the right hand of Jeeezusss when all is said and done, right? Hey Washington, Bellevue's on the phone...they want their nuts back.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:22:08 AM EST
    Blaghdaddy - You claim to love an exchange of ideas. So I ask you. What would you have done to defeat terrorism if you had been Bush? Now remember, when he took office the attack on the USS Cole was about four months old, and was just the latest in a series of attacks that were getting progressively bolder and deadly. And rememember, we know that his PDB's were saying that we could expect an attack, but not where. Now we know from Clarke's testimony: "(Bush)CLARKE: In the first week in February,(2001) decided on principle, in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy, and to increase CIA resources, for example for covert action, five-fold, to go after al Qaeda. And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with al Qaeda over the course of five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of al Qaeda." And we know that in July, Rice called all the groups - FAA, FBI, CIA, State Dept, etc., and directed them to be on the highest alert.n Source Yet 9/11 happened. So, what would you have done differently?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:47:46 AM EST
    U.S.S. Cole was in Yemen, was it not? How about a novel idea like looking where the attack actually occurred? What do you call "high alert-" G.W. gets a classified security update entitled, "Bin Laden's gonna f*#k this country up" and goes golfing? What would Blaghdaddy have done differently? He would have gotten the hell out of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait after the Gulf War, giving Usama NO REASON to attack the U.S. - remember, Bin Laden fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, he had no problem with the U.S. until they plopped down in the Muslim Holy Land. Blaghdaddy would have paid attention to some of those memos. Blaghdaddy would have made sure that supsected terrorists taking plane lessons while the President played golf were picked up, not left alone 'cause no one could get their co-operation techniques together. Lastly, Blaghdaddy never would have given Saddam WMD info so he could poison the Iranians. Blaghdaddy would never have made friends with people like Bin Laden just because they both hated the same people. Blaghdaddy wouldn't have had the Taliban in Texas before 9/11. Blaghdaddy wouldn't have invaded Iraq 'cause "He tried to kill my daddy..." Any other questions?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:54:38 PM EST
    ran away with ONE leg?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:20:31 PM EST
    What is it about one-legged and kidney-failing terrorists that makes them so much more difficult to apprehend as compared to an able-bodied Saddam?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:27:01 PM EST
    Blaghdaddy - Actually I was hoping you might put forth stratgey, instead of sound bites. Guess you can't do that. But let's look at your responses, such as they were. My USS Cole statement was just a framing comment. i.e. At that time, it was the last of many. You comment you would look in Yemen. Okay. We did. And some of the bad guys were turned over to us. Would you consider doing anything to prevent it from happening again? Evidently, not. Now I noted in my comment that Bush was getting informnation, and I noted that he did two things. One, according to Clarke, in February of 2001 he took what the Clinton admin had done, and added additional resources, directing that a solution be found, rather than just responding when we were attacked. I also noted that Rice on 7/5/01 put everyone on high alert. So what is your point? The CINC has the people who are supposed to be doing things, doing things. What do you think he should have done? Start dashing around with a whip and gun, shooting stray Moslems? Blaghdaddy writes, "He would have gotten the hell out of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait after the Gulf War, giving Usama NO REASON to attack the U.S." Sounds wonderful. Let PPJ ask Blaghdaddy if Blaghdaddy has done any studying on things related to OBL. You know, such as interviews, etc. You really should. This is from a March '97 OBL interview with Peter Arnett of CNN. "REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, will the end of the United States' presence in Saudi Arabia, their withdrawal, will that end your call for jihad against the United States and against the US ? BIN LADIN: The cause of the reaction must be sought and the act that has triggered this reaction must be eliminated. The reaction came as a result of the US aggressive policy towards the entire Muslim world and not just towards the Arabian peninsula. So if the cause that has called for this act comes to an end, this act, in turn, will come to an end. So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world. Does that kinda give you a hint that your leaving strategy is kinda dumb. Blaghdaddy, you are so funny. All you can do is hip shoot the party's attack line, and then say you want discussions.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:21:10 PM EST
    "Blaghdaddy, you are so funny. All you can do is hip shoot the party's attack line, and then say you want discussions." That's a pretty funny statement considering this Rethug party attack line... "et al - Giggle all you want, but Clinton had an opportunity, and didn't take it. That is a shame." Did you not read the comments above? Did you not follow links? That old lame story has been debunked time and time again. The ONE source they have for this claim is HIGHLY suspect and clearly has alterior motives.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#31)
    by john horse on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:24:42 PM EST
    I hope they catch him.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:50:32 PM EST
    LF - Clinton admitted it on tape. How much more proof do you need? Or are you just trying to re-write history? Blaghdaddy - You keep saying you want a discussion. So, where is your answer?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:51:56 PM EST
    What party line is that? Blaghdaddy's a liberal/libertarian, both the Dems and Repugs are full of crap...but the Repugs are the ones running the show, and what a horror show it was. Blaghdaddy was the first to scream "Wag the Dog" when Clinton cruised into Africa during his impeachment problems. Blaghdaddy also was a little disgusted by the Clarence Thomas witch-hunt. Blaghdaddy says, if you're going to blame Clinton for Cole, he's right there with you...and when do we impeach Bush for 9/11?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 02:55:57 PM EST
    Uh, Al-Zarqawi? Good discussion, though it doesn't pertain to Al-Zarqawi. Of course, everyone hopes they catch this butcher. Maybe Bush should taken him out when he was in Iraq's north camps (right under the surveillence sat's) and before Wolfowitz whispered to him, "Psst! Are you crazy? Leave him there and he'll be another reason!" I wonder if any of Al-Zarqawi's victim's family's have asked Bush why he didn't cruise Al-Zarqawi when he had the chance....

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 03:04:50 PM EST
    I would also like to know how a one legged man can out run folks with the advantage of having Humvees. I also would like to know why anyone would debate PPJ since no matter what facts he is shown he denies there existence. Yay for PPJ! He truly is the master debater!

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 03:12:51 PM EST
    Blaghdaddy can't debate, all Blaghdaddy can do is wiggle and change the subject. No one is blaming Clinton for the USS Cole, or any attack for that matter. Do you even read before you respond? So, what is Blaghdaddy's excuse for not knowing that OBL said it didn't matter if we left? I mean you being so clever and all. Sherman - How's the foot taste? Want a little salt?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 03:14:13 PM EST
    "LF - Clinton admitted it on tape. How much more proof do you need? Or are you just trying to re-write history?" I've heard this story too and I've yet to see it proven. Only people spouting off about it. No one ever provides a link. Can you?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:04:36 PM EST
    What foot, PPJ? Can't even take a compliment, can you? By the way, I would love to hear the tape of Clinton admitting that he had a chance to take into custody the terrorist financier Osama Bin Laden. Could you possibly provide a link? So blagh used two specific examples of countries we could have gotten out of to help to prevent 9/11. Then you hit him with a comment from OBL that basically says that we, the U.S., need to not only do that but leave all Islamic countries to their own designs. Just how does that refute the basic premise that Blaghdaddy was leading with? Wait, let me answer for you "Sherm, you are too (insert appropriate word here) to understand. Just like most liberals". See, it is easy to "debate" like PPJ. So let's get back to strategy PPJ, since you are the master tactician here and we can all learn from you. Is it your assertion that there just wasn't anything Shrub could have done to counter the terrible job Satan... I mean Clinton did on handling OBL? Was it the job Bill Clinton did in regards to the USS Cole bombing that set the stage for the failure to detect any rumblings about the plot to attack the WTC? I ask you, PPJ, what would your strategy have been to deal with OBL and to handle the minimal presence of al-qaeda cells, led by Zarqawi, in Iraq? I really would like to know. Please be specific and not just ready to try and browbeat people.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:10:23 PM EST
    Nice post, Sherman. You belong over on ThoughtMechanic where some other smartie like PPJ is being dimantled on "Bush the great thinker..." But seriously, folks, Bush was fishing and golfing all of August before 9/11...the question is not, "What could he have done?" but "What WASN'T he doing...like reading his briefs, acting on them, having the Terror Czar over for maybe a cup of coffee on weekends...

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:13:28 PM EST
    Sorry, the post PPJ made quoting OBL says : BIN LADIN: The cause of the reaction must be sought and the act that has triggered this reaction must be eliminated. The reaction came as a result of the US aggressive policy towards the entire Muslim world and not just towards the Arabian peninsula. So if the cause that has called for this act comes to an end, this act, in turn, will come to an end. So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world. PPJ loves to accuse everyone that doesn't agree with him that they have reading comprehension problems, but I think this time he could turn that around. Any others? I mean to me OBL is saying to leave the Arabian peninsula isn't enough, but the U.S. needs to leave all muslim countries alone and not to agressively intervene in their affairs, and then you can assure the safety of the people of the U.S. Maybe all of those feet I have been eating have given me some kind of atheltes foot induced dementia, but it looks to me OBL is not only agreeing with Blaghdaddy's assertion but saying the U.S. needs to go further. Oh well, I am sure PPJ will put me straight. Now I am going to go put another baby on the barby for Satan(a.k.a. the originator of all misery in the U.S., Bill Clinton).

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:21:06 PM EST
    I had a friend with one leg and he could walk just fine with a prothesis, but he couldn't run to save his life. Somebodys using your internets please tell me how Zarqawi can all of a sudden turn into the best sprinter in all of Iraqi, because I would love to get a hold of his performance enhancing drugs. "Need to get away from an Coalition dragnet intent on your capture? Take new Zarqawi Boost and you can outrun any Humvee! Hell, you might just even grow a new leg!"

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#42)
    by soccerdad on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 05:03:08 PM EST
    Ah the newbies are having fun with PPJ. Don't pay attention to him. He has been reciting the same drivel for the last year. His brain is impervious to fact or discussion.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:04:55 PM EST
    Sherman - Find it yourself. He admitted it at a luncheon on Long Island about two years ago. It was all over the net. You must have been too young to have unsupervised access. "but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world." As for reading problems, can you show us where OBL limits the above to Moslem countries? Obviously, he doesn't. Sherman, I gotta tell you. When I read what you have to say, I start feeling very shaky about the future of the west, then I realize you are very small minority, and a smile returns to my face. As for your foot in the mouth induced dementia.... That speaks for itself.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:24:20 PM EST
    Jim, you makea me laugh. You sure are a hoot, what with your persistent quibbling over semantics to obfuscate the fact that you just can't construct any arguement that can hold up to even the slightest scrutiny. I love it! If this is the debating style of the Republicans in the Senate or House of Representatives, then by gum I oughta run for office. I'll run circles around those standard bearers of morality and honesty! But really Jim, I thought I have read some fairly petulant things from you but the "Go look it up yourself" quip and the "you must be a whipper snapper who is gonna doom America" comment both take the CHOCOLATEcake! BTW I am terribly glad you included me in the "very small minority" of thinking people in this country. I really don't know how to repay the compliment other than saying that I appreciate you getting the whole age thing wrong. And can I add we are all waiting with bated breath to hear the grand strategy for how you would have dealt with terrorism had you been in Bill Clinton's shoes. Turn around is fair play, you know; and I'm sure you will have much more insight into how Preznit's should deal with such matters since you have been in the exact same position. I love you PPJ and all that you do!

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#45)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:21:30 PM EST
    No one is blaming Clinton for the USS Cole, or any attack for that matter. Excuse me? Blaghdaddy also has gotten his first reading of the '97 OBL interview that Jim keeps in his back pocket just for emergencies like this. Even though it was done after the first gulf war, which was BD's point.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:43:18 PM EST
    Hey GM, you stupid f'ing right winger. Do some research on the Sudanese "ready to hand over Osama" and you'll find it's bulls*it. Richard Clarke said they checked out the offer and determined it was a nut case. Why don't you ask yourself who was in charge when 9/11 happened. You assclo*wn.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 12:22:28 AM EST
    These announcements remind me of the old "Maxwell Smart" episodes, where Smart, the bumbling secret agent, was always saying 'thisssssssss close'.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 02:44:07 AM EST
    How did he run away with only one leg? That claim is no longer operative. CNN, April 6. 2004: A U.S. official said Tuesday that al-Zarqawi traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for treatment of a leg injury but, contrary to previous reports, appears not to have had a leg amputated. The official would not discuss the reason for the change in assessment. Fox News concurs.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 03:31:58 AM EST
    The "Clinton could have" had Osama is a right wing lie that doesn't pan out as Richard Clarke has started more than once. Even the Bush Administration has dropped this lie. Perhaps the Clinton blamer should be more concerned about "curveball", a drunken Iraqi relative of Ahmed Chalabi that gave the Bush Administration all the information on WMD's that don't exist. But, that's probably Clinton's fault, too.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#50)
    by zak822 on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 07:39:32 AM EST
    GM is typical of GOPers and the BushLite Brigade within the Democratic Party. President Clinton had no legal basis to take bin Laden when he was offered. The GOP loves the rule of law until it becomes inconvenient. Instead of taking President Bush to task for failing to get the man responsible for 3,000 dead on US soil, he wants to badmouth President Clinton. His boy George is never responsible or accountable for anything. It's always Billy's fault.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 10:14:32 AM EST
    et al - My starting comment was just using the Cole as a benchmark for the start of Bush's involvement. I didn't citicize Clinton, you can go back and read the original comment. But since you folks jumped to the attack, read this
    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 11:16:42 AM EST
    The Clinton tape is being kept at the same special,sealed(for now)archive where Gen.Giaps memoirs are. As for the idea that 9/11, an action that 19 above-average intelligence college students could have pulled off, wouldnt have happened without the sinister mastermind/puppetmaster OBL, I dont buy it.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 11:28:32 AM EST
    PPJ - The operative concept,which you refuse to consider,due to being in perpetual"My country right or wrong" mode,is,the difference between unprovoked and provoked interventions. But, youve never heard of an aggressive U.S intervention that you havnt liked have you?

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#55)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 01:54:59 PM EST
    jondee - As I have noted many times, I was against our adventure in Kosovo, as I saw no real national interest involved. I called my congressmen, etc. on it. However, once we had feet on the street, I shut and supported the troops. Since you didn't like to look for the tape story, I gave you a LA Times link. Now I know the LAT is very pro Bush and pro war, but maybe you'll read it.

    Re: U.S. Says al Zarqawi Near Capture (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 06:02:02 PM EST
    200+ years and all you come up with is Kosovo. It was all Lady Hillary McBeths doing.

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