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Radical Right Has Takeover Plans

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Posted on Sat May 07, 2005 at 02:56:07 PM EST
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If you had any doubt that evangelical leader James Dobson's grand plan is to for the radical right fringe to assume the leadership of this country, here's your final clue. In a radio address about the filibuster and nuclear option,

James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, described the fight as the tipping point of the Bush presidency. "Nothing good took place last November, only the potential for something good," Dr. Dobson said.

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    Radical Right Has Takeover Plans | 18 comments (18 topical)
    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#4)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:49 PM EST
    Paul, Your comment is just about the perfect example of what I mean. Election fraud? Look to Washington State and Wisconsin, where it was rife. The problem is, the broad middle of the electorate simply doesn't believe you. In fact, they think you're nuts - just as the broad middle thought that the anti-FDR reactionaries on the right (circa 1933-1939) were nuts. Keep up the rhetoric on display in your comment, please - it will ensure a long period of Republican dominance, just as the reactionary Republicans of yore ensured a long period of Democratic dominance.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#1)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:50 PM EST
    This post illustrates why the left will probably wander in the desert as long as the Republicans did in the wake of FDR's election. You see sinister dark forces ready to take over and debase the Republic, just as they did. The trouble is, as illustrated in the last 2 elections, middle America doesn't agree with the left any more than it agreed with the Republicans back then. Mindless opposition is no more a winning platform in 2005 than it was in 1932

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:50 PM EST
    Incorrect, James. We have evidence of massive vote fraud, felonies committed right and left, stolen elections for the last FIVE years. That's based in evidence, not in fantasy like your statements. 28 states have lost their right to recount elections. How can that EVER produce legal elections? It cannot. No people would ever accept elections where one side counts the votes, and says 'trust us' when they win in spite of exit polls, and blatant vote fraud, like 20 hour waits in line in Cleveland Ohio, phoney-baloney excuses for canceling PAID FOR and court-ordered recounts, and the affidavits from election officials that Triad went around Ohio swapping out circuit boards in the tabulators before the recount could be held, and supplied false numbers to report "regardless of what the machines say." You lot are CHEATING, LYING, AND USING THREATS against our national security to promote a rightwing cause. And you've been CAUGHT at it. It has nothing to do with our policies. We've elected two excellent presidents so far this millenium, and you boys with your backroom deals are involved in high crimes and misdemeanors. So far, fairly successfully -- but law is funny, sometimes it can wait its season.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:50 PM EST
    And Robertson demonstrates above the type if thinking involved when Fascism took root in Europe during the '20s and '30s. Also demonstrated is an unusual definition of Middle America. Oy vey, the 'official' returns from 2004 showed a rather slim advantage of about 1 percent of voters going to Bush. Trying to shoe-horn Middle America into being entirely pro-Bush only works when talking to LGF'ers and other freepers.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:50 PM EST
    Totally nonresponsive, which is usual for your lot, James. How would you know what the electorate thinks? Diebold and the rest are stealing your election wins for you. We caught them in Ohio, and we caught them in California, and we caught them in Florida. You? Washington, which at best is a recount fight, without any particular evidence of one side trying to steal anything. Since we raised nearly a million dollars to recount WA, I'm not impressed with your example. It's the states WITHOUT RECOUNT RIGHTS that are particularly stunning examples of vote fraud. We paid the $100,000 it takes in Ohio to get a recount, and Bush's campaign chair blocked it, even after the courts threatened him with jail. That's because he KNEW that Bush had lost his shirt in Ohio. Steal away -- you are busily destroying your party as you damage the Republic. Exactly whom do you think the 'broad middle of the electorate' is going to blame for Bush's trillion dollar deficit track? READ MY LIPS.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#6)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:50 PM EST
    Paul, Just keep whistling past the graveyard then. The important result from 2004 is the house and senate elections - The governing party gained seats for the first time since FDR's presidency. What does that mean? It means that the Democratic platform of "call the opposition names, blame our losses on cheating, and refuse to have a platform of our own" isn't working out for you. Like I said, keep it up. You'll make people like me ecstatic as you continue to lose elections and become less and less relevant.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:50 PM EST
    James- The people in 1930s Germany didn't think things were getting out of hand either. I doubt you have any insight into the minds of average Americans beyond what the front page of a biased Corporate newspaper tells you. "You see sinister dark forces ready to take over and debase the Republic, just as they did. The trouble is, as illustrated in the last 2 elections, middle America doesn't agree with the left any more than it agreed with the Republicans back then." No, I witness first hand dark forces in positions of power quite frequently. Unempathetic, unapologetic social darwinists taking advantage of the unwitting and patting themselves on the back as they do it. I truly love people who enjoy the political debate rather than the ideological debate. Zero sum thinking with a flawed definitional assumption: "The election result proves that America wishes to ratify a comprehensive Republican platform." If that kind of dishonest manipulation gets you excited, then you're the one out of step with the common American who is generally turned off by the entire political process.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#8)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    I love how people here build strawmen and and then attack those. "Tampa Student" - do you have any idea what I read? The newspapers I read get read online. I watch very little cable news at this point - I find the "Michael Jackson 24x7" coverage to be less than useful. I read a lot of blogs, from all ends of the spectrum - from LGF all the way over to Eschaton. I'd read KOS if he bothered to have a syndication feed - I simply can't be bothered with browser-only sources at this point. I read both "The Nation" and "National Review". I follow "The Corner" and "Tapped". In short, I try to stay abreast of commentary across the spectrum. Unlike most of the people here, I don't live inside an echo chamber.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    Riiiight, James, well we'll wait for you to answer how taking away the right to recount elections in 28 states makes legal elections. We'll wait for you to explain how Bush's campaign chair stopping a legally-ordered recount for no reason at all except STEALING THE ELECTION is because 'Dems don't have good campaigns.' You lot have been blowing wind like this for a long, long time. When it was Reagan, it was foul enough. Now you are caught in outright felony, and you just keep pouring out the drivel of your ignorance, heedless to the fact that the electorate is looking at your actions and realizing that everything the Dems warned them about was true. While you HIDE the facts from yourself by 'reading broadly,' and answering no questions at all.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#10)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    Paul, In addition to everything else, election law is apparently beyond you. Recounts have been lost in many places due to absurd attempts at reform - here in Maryland, for instance, they eliminated the optical scan system (which was automated, but made manual recounts easy), to a touchscreen system that makes a recount impossible. These systems came into place around the country not through some vile conspiracy, but as a result of the 2000 elections - and state and county governments felt a need to "do something" more than they felt a need to actually improve things. Thus untested electoral systems got put in place on the back of shortlived public demand for better election systems. At this point, sheer inertia will tend to keep them in place for a long time - no government wants to throw out an expensive (taxpayer paid) system and replace it with another expensive (taxpayer paid) system in a short interval - it's just the way the system works. Your problem is that you see conspiracy where there's only incompetence and lack of political will. Which is also why you won't convince anyone - most people tune out conspiracy mongers.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    a touchscreen system that makes a recount impossible.
    James, why would you persist in blatant falsehoods like this one? Any touchscreen system can be configured to print a voter-confirmable paper trail to confirm the electronic and easily manipulated vote counts. Are you being purposefully obtuse? While I am hesitant to say it in face of other posts from PIL (sorry, PIL), The fact that it is almost always the GOP that opposes paper trails on e-voting would lend some degree of credibility to his arguments. Can you find a single case where paper tails in e-voting was opposed by a Dem? Proof that e-voting is recountable can be found many places, but why not start here?

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    As for "conspiracy theories", a quick question. Did or did not the head of Diebold, manufacturer of many e-voting machines,who is also a high-ranking member of the GOP, state ""I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year." I don't think one needs to be a conspiracy theorist to find such statements rather alarming. Would you still call it "conspiracy" thinking were it a Dem running Diebold or another e-voting company, who made a similar comment about getting votes for a Dem canidate? Does anyone believe that if this was the case, it's all we'd hear about from right-wing talk radio?

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#13)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    Adept Havelock: "James, why would you persist in blatant falsehoods like this one? Any touchscreen system can be configured to print a voter-confirmable paper trail to confirm the electronic and easily manipulated vote counts." The system in place in MD was not designed to be used with a printer. It's not that touchscreens cannot support them; it's that ours wasn't designed that way. Thus, given the system we actually have in place, recounts are not possible. Or, put another way, any recount will simply generate the same answer each time. As to the Diebold quote, the entire context put that in play as a personal contribution to the Republican party - not as a corporate conspiracy to tamper. That's exactly the kind of conpiracy mongering that gets you completely ignored. Just like the Republican wailing of the 1930's against the New Deal got no traction.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    The question James, is WHY was the Maryland system without a paper-trail chosen? As for your framing of the Diebold quote, as a member of neither party, I'd find it equally alarming coming from either party, especially with the history of both parties in regards to such shenanigans. If you call keeping a prudent eye on both parties "conspiracy mongering", I'm glad I have a distinctly different view than yours.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#15)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    "The question James, is WHY was the Maryland system without a paper-trail chosen?" I have no idea - you might ask the Democratic controlled house and senate what they had in mind.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    What does the fact that it was a dem dominated house have to do with it? It leaves me flabbergasted that some people have no problem with turning one of the foundations of the nation, the indviduals sovereign franchise, over to a corporation. As the local "dead constitution" constitutional scholars around here might note...the word Corporation appears nowhere in the constitution.

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    PPJ - Happily leading the Nazis to his former Jewish/Catholic/Gay neighbors houses to turn them in (or peeping out from behind the curtains next door). "Don't they know that we need a good strong leader?" If they won't cooperate by being the right genotype then ship them somewhere else" Blaghdaddy: "But Jim... they're taking the Jews out to the woods and shooting them by the thousands. They're building Gas Showers at Auschwitz!" PPJ: "Do you have the link for that?"

    Re: Radical Right Has Takeover Plans (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    mfox- ROTFLMAO. Thanks, I needed that.

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