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AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that among the documents it received from its Guantanamo FOIA request are transcripts of interviews with detainees in which they allege they were sold to the U.S. for a bounty. This is not new news. It's been reported before by several organizations, by TalkLeft in December, 2003 and May, 2004, and in Time Magazine.

According to Time, activities leading toward release of the 140 [Guantanamo] prisoners have accelerated since the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. It said U.S. officials had concluded some detainees were kidnapped for reward money offered for al Qaeda and Taliban fighters. (our emphasis)

Nonetheless, Before Bush calls the latest AP claims "absurd," he needs to consider the statement of this former CIA officer, contained in Tuesday's AP article:

A former CIA intelligence officer who helped lead the search for Osama bin Laden told AP the accounts sounded legitimate because U.S. allies regularly got money to help catch Taliban and al-Qaida fighters. Gary Schroen said he took a suitcase of $3 million in cash into Afghanistan himself to help supply and win over warlords to fight for U.S. Special Forces.

As with the Koran abuse, this isn't the first time the detainee's claims that they ended up at Guantanamo after being sold by the Taliban or Northern Alliance or Mujahdeen have surfaced.

In May, 2004, we wrote about released British detainee Tariq Dergoul. His full story is told by the Observer, here and here:

After the 11 September attacks, he and two Pakistani friends had an idea for what, in hindsight, was one of the worst-judged business ventures of all time. With war looming, they thought many Afghans would want to flee their homes. Dergoul had £5,000 in cash, which he pooled with his friends' savings. 'The plan was to buy some property away from where the bombing was. We thought we could buy it very cheap, then sell it at a profit after the war.'

They travelled to Jalalabad and looked at several empty homes. On the verge of signing a deal, Dergoul and his friends spent the night in a villa. While they were asleep, he said, a bomb landed on it - killing his friends. He went outside and was hit by another bomb, sustaining shrapnel wounds.

For at least a week, unable to walk, he lay among the ruins, drinking from a tap that still worked, and living on biscuits and raisins he had in his pocket. Exposed to the freezing weather, his toes turned black from frostbite. At last he was found by troops loyal to the Northern Alliance. They treated him well, taking him to a hospital where he was given food and three operations. However, after five weeks he was driven to an airfield and handed over to Americans, who arrived by helicopter. Dergoul said the Americans paid $5,000 for him - according to Human Rights Watch, this was the standard fee for a 'terrorist' suspect. They flew him to the US detention camp at Bagram airbase, near Kabul. (emphasis supplied.)

In September, 2004, we wrote about prisoners being released from an Afghan prison.

The last 368 Pakistani prisoners who were jailed 3 years ago for aiding the Taliban in its fight against the U.S. have been freed from jail in Afghanistan and returned home. Originally, there were 2,500 of them. They were kept in deplorable conditions. Many died.

Many of the prisoners originally were religious students who were sold by their "mullahs"--spiritual teachers--as mujahideen (holy warriors) to the Taliban. Here is the story of 22 year old Amir Khan, as told to Reuters:The mullahs in my area said that as Muslims we should go to Afghanistan to fight a jihad....I can not deny this was my intention. I arrived in Afghanistan in October. I spent three days in Kabul and then went to Mazar-i-Sharif. I was captured the day after I arrived there." Like many of his comrades, Khan said he had received no military training and insisted he was a religious student who had been "misled" by the mullahs. "They sold us," he said. "We learned later that for every 10 mujahideen (holy warriors) that they sent, they would receive 5,000 rupees ($100)." (emphasis supplied)

30 year old Mohammed Afriqi was among a group of 50 that surrendered. Only 20 survived: He was initially held at the notorious Shiberghan prison, where Dostum's forces are accused of killing hundreds of prisoners or allowing them to die because of overcrowding. In September 2002, Dostum issued a formal statement acknowledging that "approximately 200 prisoners died, but mostly of wounds suffered in the fighting, disease, suffocation, suicide and general weakness." Afriqi showed Reuters scars on his chest he said came from wounds caused by being whipped with electric cable.

The prisoners said the past 18 months of their captivity had been much better than the initial stage, and Sunday they all looked clean, fit and healthy."

[my comment]: No one ever decided whether these men were prisoners of war. They were the 'Joe Shmoes' of the opposition. The captured fighters that were perceived to have value to the U.S. were shipped to Guantanamo.

On a related note, tapes of the abuse have been acknowledged to exist.

Now, however, Dergoul has revealed a means of proving the claims of violence at Guantanamo, potentially as dramatic as the Abu Ghraib photographs. Every time an ERF squad was deployed, he said, the entire process was recorded on digital video: 'There was always this guy behind the squad, filming everything that happened.'

Last night Lieutenant Colonel Leon Sumpter, the Guantanamo Joint Task Force spokesman, confirmed the videos existed, saying that all ERF (Extreme Reaction Force) actions were filmed so that they could 'be reviewed by the camp commander and the commanding general'. All of them, he said , were kept in an archive at Guantanamo.

Isn't it time to release them so we can see whether Bsh's "absurd" claim is true?

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  • Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#1)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Don't worry TL, Bus won't have a chance to call this absurd before his loyal bootlicking minions dive in debating petty semantics... Buts and Ands and all others aside... Grasping at straws is what it sounds of... Buying off informants... Who woulda thunk it?

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#2)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Perhaps Bounty Hunters are a new concept to TL. Sheesh, the breathless reporting of nothingness is simply amazing.

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#3)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Perhaps getting the point of a post is a new concept to JR. One of the main points is that they turned anybody over for the money not just those who were really wanted/guilty. You can join PPJ in that remedial English comprehension class

    Our tax dollars at work. What a disaster. Note that Dubya said it was absurd. He didn't say it was untrue. There are many ways to strangle language to avoid speaking truth. Ask Dubya to answer tough questions under oath and in polygraph and let's find out what is absurd and what is true and where they intersect. War criminals, pure and simple. They have violated treaties and practiced aggressive war. "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it." Mahatma Ghandi

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#5)
    by Pete Guither on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    It's the combination of factors that is breathtaking. Offering a bounty increases the possibilities that someone innocent gets turned in for the cash. Now they get disappeared indefinitely without charge or legal recourse with the likely possibility of mistreatment and torture. When did this become American values?

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    It became american values around the time McCarthy was investigating the pinkos, revitalized during J Edgar Crossdresser, and has not lessened since. Since there is no way to prove or disprove someone's affiliations in Afghanistan, it is more than reasonable to assume that some old debts were paid by selling off people and rivals. It seems rather silly that anyone would argue otherwise.

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#7)
    by theologicus on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Remember that we also paid off Iraqi officers during the seige of Baghdad. Some have wondered if they're now leaders in the resistance. US Army Chief Says Iraqi Troops Took Bribes to Surrender by Andrew Buncombe in Washington Published on Saturday, May 24, 2003 by the lndependent/UK Senior Iraqi officers who commanded troops crucial to the defense of key Iraqi cities were bribed not to fight by American special forces, the US general in charge of the war has confirmed. Well before hostilities started, special forces troops and intelligence agents paid sums of money to a number of Iraqi officers, whose support was deemed important to a swift, low-casualty victory. General Tommy Franks, the US army commander for the war, said these Iraqi officers had acknowledged their loyalties were no longer with the Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein, but with their American paymasters. As a result, many officers chose not to defend their positions as American and British forces pushed north from Kuwait. "I had letters from Iraqi generals saying: 'I now work for you'," General Franks said. It is not clear which Iraqi officers were bribed, how many were bought off or at what cost. It is likely, however, that the US focused on officers in control of Saddam's elite forces, which were expected to defend the capital. The Pentagon said that bribing the senior officers was a cost-effective method of fighting and one that led to fewer casualties. Kos on April 8, 2004: We are facing a well-armed, well-trained, and coordinated enemy. Remember -- we never defeated these guys in combat. The US bought off Republican Guard commanders sparing our troops heavy combat on the streets of Baghdad and elsewhere across the country.

    "absurd...." gee I didn't know Bush had hired Pat Buchanan to write speeches for him Bushco has completely given up any pretense of telling the truth.

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#9)
    by The Heretik on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Yesterday was a day of seeming despair. Then I got to this story. The selling of souls? What is the lost? Let the Buyer Beware

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#10)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    et al - What a comment: "Kos on April 8, 2004: We are facing a well-armed, well-trained, and coordinated enemy. Remember -- we never defeated these guys in combat.." Pure BS. But onward. It seems to me that if we were able to buy off the military a lot of lives were saved. I thought this group would think that was good. I also remember a lot of criticism because the US didn't pay the Iraqi's to remain in the army...

    It seems to me that if we were able to buy off the military a lot of lives were saved. I thought this group would think that was good.
    It seems to me that Saddam's henchmen probably used our money to organize against us, which resulted in more of our guys killed over the last 2 years. Of course, a Neocon isn't good on foreseeing blowback, or even recognizing it when it happens. Soldier on, Jim...blindly into that quagmire, ever deeper.

    From the comfort of your living room sofa...

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Well said Pete. Paying bounties ensures innocents are sold into US custody, and denying detainees due process ensures they stay in US custody indefinitely. This is not the way I was told the US does things. I hate to be a broken record, but this is tyranny on a global scale, and this is no way to be a "beacon of freedom".

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Yes DA...also a great way to have the US get rid of a rival drug lord for you.

    Re: AP: U.S. Paid Bounty for Capture of Detainees (none / 0) (#16)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Yes the Bounties ranged from $3,500.00 for a nothing guy, and as much as $25,000.00 and up for a someone, its a joke, but also remember we our! all looked at as potential terrorists by our non government and Gitmo may someday be in your future, and that is not a joke.