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Posted on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 11:00:13 AM EST
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Today brought the latest of Jeb Bush's many denials that he's interested in running for the presidency. Even Jeb's father thinks Jeb is a liar.

The elder Bush said "the timing's wrong" because Jeb Bush has said "he doesn't want to do it." But the former president then added: "Nobody believes that."

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    • It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush | 40 comments (40 topical)
    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#1)
    by Darryl Pearce on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    ...oligarchy

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    I can't decide whether to laugh or weep or scream. The Bush family are some of the least deserving people I've ever seen or heard. And yet here they are. Life ain't fair is right. That said, Jeb won't win simply because it's not in this nation's character. He'll never overcome the idea that his family really HAS gotten too much power too easily, and that they haven't done a lick with it to make the country a better place. The day every Bush male is vasectomized won't come soon enough.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    The Schiavo business hopefully gave him enough of a black eye to keep him the hell away from Washington. The last thing we need is another Saudi co-conspirator in power.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#4)
    by krazycory on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    I HOPE WE DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO FIND OUT IF THE 3RD TIME IS THE CHARM!!

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Prediction: Jeb couldn't get elected Dog-Catcher if he ran for Governor of Florida again...the question is how much a glutton for punishment "Jesus-Boy" is... And if you think this Bush ends his Presidency in disgrace (a developing story that's continuing to make Blaghdaddy salivate), that anyone's going to vote for his idiot brother (though infinitely smarter than B-43), then you may be right...just not enough to win... So "Go JeB in '08!!" Let's face it, folks, if you're against Jeb running 'cause you're afraid he'll win, then Blagh's got a nice little house in his neighbourhood that just went up for sale...'cause no liberal Blagh knows could survive 8 more years of Bush...

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#6)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Blag, Right on, I agree, BUT...

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    The mere thought of it is enough to bring on a case of agita. Retch....

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#8)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    NEWS FLASH!!!!!! Politician denies interest in running! Haven't heard`anyting so unusal in years. Blagh - But you're neutral. A Canadian. Why are you so interested in US internal politics?

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Blagh wants to get serious for a minute, folks... Look, the only reason anyone is against Jeb running is they're afraid he might win, and they can't bear the thought of 12, perhaps 16 straight years of Bushwhackings. Personally, Blagh doesn't think your country can take the rest of this clown's term, but the damage is done and sure to increase... So, you have one option...get out the vote and agitate, and investigate, and never hesitate...the 'cons never do when they're going for the throat, which is always... The main problem you have as a nation is your disgraceful electoral custom of running elections through state employees who are party-affiliated...and look how much Republican fraud has been going on with the public's knowledge of it...problem is, the crooked wardens are running the pen and aren't going to change rules that favor them anytime soon... So it looks like a lot of work...and Blaghdaddy's going to be right there with you all, because a happy America is his best idea of a neighbor, and a Bush America makes him think of moving to Katmandu...

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#10)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Blagh - Your concern for us is touching, and deeply appreciated. Sorry that we have failed to do what you think needs to be done. So I guess the next time a tyrant raises up to control Europe, or dominate the world, or when an immediate fleet for support of tsunami victims, or earthquake victims is needed.... We'll let Canada handle it. Of course ably assisted by the EU. The UN will undoubtedly coordinate, but only if the flights into the disaster area have First Class seating available and Five Star hotels to live in. Again, thanks for the concern. And the free advice. As always, it is worth what we paid for it.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#11)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    People from various countries post comments here. They're all welcome as far as I'm concerned. Their varied opinions are sometimes unique and thought-provoking; Blaghdaddy included.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    J. Bush also has a bit of a family problem because Florida's First Daughter Noelle is a drug addict. Of course, poor Noelle's failure to abstain from Demon Dope was caused by Clinton being president during her formative years and setting such a poor example for the country's young, but some unfair opponents of Bush will surely bring it up to Governor Bush's detriment. (Obligatory note to rightwingers and others who have trouble understanding English beyond a 6th grade level: sarcasm.)

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    My guess is Blagh is a Canadian who is painfully aware that when the US sneezes, Canada catches a Cold. With our current "leadership" the US is the equivilant of an Influenza Ward, with no medical supplies.
    I guess the next time a tyrant raises up to control Europe
    Once again, PPJ shows his ignorance of history, ignoring the fact that our neighbors to the north were fighting WW2 well before the US got involved. Heck, some Americans even went north to enlist with them before Dec. 7th of 1941. Of course, that didn't go over well with the GOP candidate "Why get involved" Charles Lindberg. Just a reminder PPJ, your quotes (and the rest of ours) are also worth what was paid for them. In your case, probably less. ;)

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#14)
    by The Heretik on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    The Bush Family. You got dumb. You got dumber. You got money. You get what you want. Will it be Jeb? Or another Bush. Dumb and Dumber Dynasty

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Heretik- Which one's played by Jim Carrey? Sr.? Jr? Jeb? Or Babs?

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#16)
    by Aaron on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    I've known Jeb Bush on a professional level, and in all honesty he would be a much better president than his brother George ever could. Unfortunately he's a real F**king a**hole, a true elitists, much more representational of what the Bush family is really like. He's definitely a smart guy, head and shoulders above his brother, but I don't want to see him as president. But I guess there's many out there who think we don't need no stinking president, we've got the Bush family to take imperial control of our country in perpetuity. Long live King George I, God save the King! Dadler You're dead right, the only president's who have done less for America and the American people than George W. Bush were his father Bush Sr. and Calvin Coolidge. A couple of real do nothings. Typical Republicans.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#17)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Adept writes - "Once again, PPJ shows his ignorance of history, ignoring the fact that our neighbors to the north were fighting WW2.." And once Adept ignores what was written. Try it again: "I guess the next time..." You know, like the "future." And I am sure I have devasted Blagh. He is so shy and unassuming. I mean, he didn't write that: "Posted by Blaghdaddy at June 1, 2005 01:57 PM Blagh wants to get serious for a minute, folks..." And I do agree that we all cast our pearls before the swine... ;-)

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    You are misinterpreting George Bush's comments. If you read the entire thing in its full context, it is clear that he and the family believe Jeb, but "nobody" (as in the general public and/or media) else believes him.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Here is the link to the comments in context.
    But he and wife Barbara both said they believed Jeb, 52, did not want to run in the next presidential race.
    The later version of the story is just another case of media distortion.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#20)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Aaron, Agreed. I've no doubt about Jeb's superior intellect compared to his big brother -- a dung beetle would score higher than Dubya. That your experience tells you he's a big ass*ole, again I've no doubt. Probably has the chip on his shoulder syndrome. And a silver spoon so far down his throat he's about to sh*t it out.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Blagh was away for a bit but saw the many supportive comments...your Canadian brother salutes you... As for PPJ, he's the Ugly American that so typifies other nations' experience with and view of Americans. Who but an Ugly American would stick his own big snout into all other countries' business and then sneer at someone who offers a "supportive word" to America. No, that's not good enough for PPJ- the support has to come for his party of choice or the supporter can "Fozad..." Blaghdaddy thanks you for your kind words, PPJ...and as for Canada, PPJ, Canada is still 0-0 in fighting phony wars...what's the U.S. up to now? Do you need both fingers? PPJ, the only "real patriot" at Talkleft, Ladies and Gentlemen...

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#22)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    Yes, just one more boy in the oligarchy, against you and for nothing but power and mass murder.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#23)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    Gee Blag, there I was saying thank you, and all of a sudden reality seized my fingers and I just couldn't stop myself... You know how us Ugly Americans are. I am sure glad we have friends like you to keep us on the straight and narrow. ;-) dadler - How many dung beatles have MBA's? And would you care to compare resumes with him?

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    How many dung beatles have MBA's? And would you care to compare resumes with him?
    Let's see...in order to compete Dadler would have to have f--d up a cushy National Guard gig during wartime and then followed that up by running a few businesses into the ground. Then really stepped up his game by allowing the biggest terrorist attack in US history on his watch and then getting stuck in a sh*tstorm of a quagmire after invading the wrong country, which combined with his big tax cuts for the top 5 percent of the population effectively drained the U.S. treasury...and then reached his pinnacle by pushing a scheme that would have millions of middle class old folks eating dog food in their golden years. Now that's a helluva resume for any former C-student party animal, wouldn't ya say?.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    It's sort of cute that Americans like Jim never seem to understand why non-americans feel perfectly entitled to comment on, meddle with, or laugh at American internal affairs.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#26)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    mar - Oh, I understand. I just like to note, everynow and then, that old Las Vegas saying which covers those who complain but never participate: Money talks and BS walks. Ernesto - You realize, of course, that when Truman was 50 years old he was out of politics, living with his mother-in-law and trying to farm. He had gone bankrupt twice. Lincoln had a similar past before he was elected. BTW - There were over 100 TANG openings for fighter pilot applicants when Bush joined. They were there for two reasons. One, if you flunked out you went regular`service. Two, Air National Guard units were being deployed to Vietnam. A person had every right to expect that he would see Saigon. A pilot could expect to see combat. What was very hard to get was a slot as an enlisted man, and/or non-flying officer. These two positions, even if sent to Vietnam, were very unlikely to see combat. BTW - I note you don't mention Clinton, who secured a Army Reserve Slot, then resigned when he found out he had a very high draft number. Now there was a hero, eh? Or at least one for the anti-war Left. BTW - Wouldn't you settle for a C student MBA???

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    Compared to Dick Cheney, George W. Bush is a war hero. Assuming, of course, one's definition of "war hero" means posing heroically next to a plane and then, for all intents and purposes, spending the rest of your time in service soused on a bar stool. Dick Cheney didn't even bother to do that much, nor did he distinguish himself in a principled opposition to the war. Compared to a total coward, Bush behaved with principle and (mucho) beer. Mostly the latter.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#28)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    I love it so much, what a joke and what a bush world of lies. and yes a rat knows a rat.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#30)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    Jim, George W. Bush could not have gotten into a JC with the grades he had out of high school AND undergrad. He got into Yale ONLY because of who his family was, not an ANY kind of acadmeic or intellectual merit. His degrees from YALE are empty pieces of paper given out to the wealthy and the coddled. This is the worst kind of disaffirmative action -- rewarding nothing more than name and money, which don't need help in the first place. For heaven's sake, Jimbo, this man cannot even WRITE!! Were he able to, he'd have certainly, as Presidents with actual brains have often done, made his own case, in his own words, to the American people. If you really think George W. Bush is some kind of accomplished mind, then I can only chuckle. And then get very depressed for you. That's like me trying to claim Clinton really didn't have a personal sexual dysfunction. Now, which would harm the country more? A intellectual incompetent in the White House, who's never genuinely earned a thing in his life? Or a man who lifted himself from poverty to Rhodes Scholar, but who likes the ladies a little too much? Hmm... The answer is self-evident. Dubya couldn't find his nose with a head-cold and a case of Kleenex. And I fear he'd have trouble reading the directions on the box of Kleenex. He'd end up trying to blow his armpits or have the Kleenex detained.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    PPJ- Are you saying it's more honorable to war a phony war killing thousands than to stand back and say, "No f*#king way?" In that case, Canada is GUILTY as charged...and proud of it... And we missed you in WWII; 'til you decided to join the party... But that's the past, right? Doesn't matter? So what's Conservatism?

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:36 PM EST
    Who are you telling to wipe the smirk off his face, wg? Blagh spends more time worrying about American Far Right Conservatism than most Americans do, he'll warrant you... If he didn't, Bush would never have had a chance to steal the first election and win the second... Unfortunately, most Americans don't think it's worth paying attention to, and that's why your county's in the mess it is... So you can call Blagh a Canuck, he wears it with honour, but never forget who's side he's on....The Side of Right...not the Right...and Blagh doesn't smirk at misery.... proof...

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#34)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:37 PM EST
    hmmmm - so much BS, so little time... Dadler - Who was the last President to not use a speech writer? I'm gonna guess Reagan is as close as we get. It sure wasn't anybody else in the 20th century. Maybe Lincoln in the 19th. And then you write:
    "A intellectual incompetent in the White House, who's never genuinely earned a thing in his life?"
    Can you name me a President who did from Esienhower forward? Kennedy? No. Johnson? Maybe, but he was in politics all his life. Nixon? Maybe, but he was in politics all his life. Ford? No. Carter? Yes. Reagan? Yes. GHWB? Yes. Clinton? No. He was in politics all his life. W? To an extent. Dadler, what you fail to understand is that Bush is a fantastic communicator to the American people. They don't care that he stumbles and fumbles. They know what he said. And even better, they know that he meant it, and that he will try and do what he said. Your problem is that your hatred gives you a tin ear. I also think you fancy yourself an elite. A person who by sheet brainpower should be able to tell the rest of us what to do. That won't work, Dadler. Blag - I am trying to say that I find your concern amusing and off center. And, since you have never been in any military, I am LOL about your WWII comments. Like the man said: "Done anything lately?" And the question is to you, not your country, and not to your military who OI have done joint operations with aand who I know are very good. Conservatism? Catch a clue. I have never said I was a conservative. I am asocial liberal that believes in National Defense. You see, you think that to be a liberal you must be anti-war. Not true, but there were enough people like you in the late 60's and forward to this day that they managed to run off enough Demos that they effectively gave up any hope of actually having any national impact. You know Blag, I wonder why we never see any thing from the Left about health care? Do you realize that it was Bush who got Rx benefits extended to medicare? Do you remember how the Demos attacked him? That was pure BS. Do you understand how important that is to a Grandmother who is now paying around $450. a month in Rx costs? Do you realize that 1/1/06 she will start paying $17 a month? Heck, she may even be able to afford food and heat. Do you realize that my Rx insurance is runing me about $250 a month, and guess what. On 1/1/06 that will drop to $17 for me and $17 for my wife. That's a $216 a month savings. I think I'll send a few months savings to the Repubs. After all, they got it for me. And how come I never hear anything about Women's Rights? I mean I know Dadler refers to Clinton's little escapades as man "who likes the ladies a little too much." Really? Guess what would happen to any CEO, or any manager for that matter, who got caught getting BJ's from a very, very, very junior female. Can you spell dismissal for cause? And where is NOW when the subject of "Honor Killings" comes up? I have heard nothing. I mean nothing from them about this despicable practice of many Moslem men. I mean, good heavens. Where are they? And if NOW has become ineffective, has the Left become so sterile that no new organizations can be formed? Education? Where is the Left? I mean I know that the Demos oppose everything the Bush supports, but what do they offer? More of the same? Write this down. "The same" aint working. Millions of working stiffs and ladies are stripping themselves clean to send their kids to private schools, while watching the public schools fall apart. And, at the same time, seeing more and more dollars sent to the public system with the same, or worse results. Do you think just opposing Bush will get their votes? So thanks for the concern, Blag. And thanks for telling us how much you agree that Bush is bad. But guess what. There is a lot of things besides "Bush Bad" on the minds of the body politic. Too bad the Left has nothing to say.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:37 PM EST
    PPJ...don't expect me to defend Clinton. He was a moderate Republican at best. Which explains why the right wing Republicans went after him with such gusto. There's nothing they hate more than a moderate. As for Bush...he is the epitome of everything wrong with the class sytem in the U.S., while Cheney is about the worst example of the revolving door between public office and private enterprise we've seen in a while. What a combo.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    mfox reminds TL of their request that mfox and Blagh don't unduly harass PPJ. I would point to the trashing of this Jeb Bush thread and PPJ's unsolicited attack on Blagh as evidence of why we do.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    Bush is a fantastic communicator to the American people
    Bwaaaahahahahaha. Especially when he disassembles nucular stuff.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    I am asocial liberal that believes in National Defense
    Bwaaaahahahahahahaha

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    Thanks for defending us against Canada PPJ. Maybe we should invade...er..defend our national security and teach those big mouth Canucks a lesson...don't you all have some oil up there?

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#40)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    Jim, Many presidents, from the founders, to Lincoln, to Roosevelt, to Kennedy, to Clinton...they ALL wrote MANY of their own speeches. And the key difference between them and Bush is THEY COULD WRITE!! They actually considered using their freedom to free and educate their minds as IMPORTANT. Bush does not, and brags about it. The ability to put one's thoughts on paper in order to communicate with others is sort of indespensible for the "leader of the free world".

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#41)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    Add Jim, Bush has lower approval ratings than he has ever had. He preaches to the converted, an to the rest of the country he flips the bird. Are you at all in touch with reality? More than half the country thinks he's a TERRIBLE PRESIDENT. So I would doubt they consider him an effective communicator. And he doesn't just stumble, he makes no sense whatsoever and seems to have NO INTELLECT WHATSOEVER, which is disgraceful for a man who's been given everything in his life. And again, how can you look truth in the eye and just say no? Clinton was raised in utter poverty, from an alcoholic family, studied and worked his ass off, and took "raise yourself up by your own bootsraps" that you would praise in anyone else -- as long as they agree with you politically. BTW, Jimmy Carter has a PHD in nuclear physics. And didn't exactly get raised in wealth and privelege. In defending Bush you are shilling for a kind of disaffirmative action in which name and wealth are rewarded, two things that NEVER need help. Sad, self-defeating, and against your own self-interest. I'll say it again: read "The Politics of Whiteness" by Michelle Brattain, as I've recommended several times. You'll get an extensively researched and insightful look at the history of white southerners voting against their interests time and time again.

    Re: It Takes a Bush to Know a Bush (none / 0) (#42)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    Last Add Jim, I have plenty of first-hand experience with CEO's doing plenty and suffering a thing. If you outright steal money and are stupid about it, of course, OF COURSE you'll get slammed. But, my man, in case you've been in a hole the past half century, plenty of CEO's have affairs with their secretaries, even marry them -- see BILL GATES, WHO DID JUST THAT!! Your ability to generalize wildly and consider it comprehensive truth is always entertaining.

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