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Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA

Valerie Plame has returned to work at the CIA after a year's leave of absence. She won't, however, be resuming undercover work.

There has been so much attention paid to the leakers and reporters in the case, it seems like the fact that a woman's life was turned upside down been lost in the shuffle.

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    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:50 PM EST
    An undercover CIA agent is usually up to no good. Should we really be concerned that one of those had been exposed? Plame should have been more careful in her career choice to begin with.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#2)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:50 PM EST
    Valerie Plame was undercover in the same way that many of my friends and neighbors are undercover at NSA. Which is to say, not at all.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#3)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:50 PM EST
    Excellent assertion, James. Next you can tell us how the sky is green. Tell me something, though - is this a defense of the administration's actions, when you say "Well, it wasn't that bad"? Was her name leaked in the interests of public knowledge, or malice? I think you know the answer, and the fact that you unwaveringly support the administration for this cowardly backstabbing speaks volumes about what kind of person you are.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    If you read the article it's pretty clear that her neighbors were not aware she worked for the CIA, JR.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Rove insisted, he had only circulated information about Plame after it had appeared in Novak's column. He also told the FBI, the same sources said, that circulating the information was a legitimate means to counter what he claimed was politically motivated criticism of the Bush administration by Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. Rove and other White House officials described to the FBI what sources characterized as an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere. Rove is said to have named at least six other administration officials who were involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.
    James, what is right about any of this? I mean, in a moral sense.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#6)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Et al – From the linked New York Times article:
    “But other former C.I.A. officers say that by 2003 Ms. Wilson's cover was already thin. Any serious inquiry would have revealed that Brewster Jennings was little more than a mailbox. Though she traveled regularly, Ms. Wilson, who speaks French, German and Greek, had been working for some time at agency headquarters in Langley, Va. And her marriage to a senior American diplomat, Mr. Wilson, ended any pretense of having no government ties. "At that point, she looks, walks and quacks like an overt agency employee," said Fred Rustmann, a C.I.A. officer from 1966 to 1990, who supervised Ms. Wilson early in her career…..”
    That is what Clifford May meant when he wrote this:
    “That wasn't news to me. I had been told that — but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhand manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of.”
    So scar, enjoy the green sky. Her name wasn’t leaked at all. Even the New York Times admits it, which just about says it all. Everyone who cared knew who she was, and if her name came up at all it was in conjunction with her pushing for her husband to go to Niger. Which, btw, has to be one of the dumbest so-called intelligence investigations in history. Surely there was a professional or two available.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#7)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Mr. Bill - Can you link us to your quote?

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Certainly: It's by Murray Wass in the American Prospect http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#9)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Quoting Nat'l Review is pretty silly, especially when the author is THIS clifford may:
    From 1997 to 2001, he served as the Director of Communications for the Republican National Committee. In that role, he was the Republican Party's staff spokesman, and appeared frequently on national television and radio programs. In addition, he managed all RNC communications activities, including long-range strategic planning; press, radio and television services; online services; TV and radio coaching; speech writing; advertising and marketing. He also served as the Editor of the official Republican magazine, Rising Tide. After leaving the RNC, he was named Senior Managing Director in the Washington, D.C. office of Weber Shandwick, a firm specializing in public affairs advocacy, public relations and media relations.
    The guy is an RNC PR flack, I'm sure we can trust his opinion to be fairly unbalanced.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#11)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Mr. Bill - Can you link? Typing in URL's skews the site and TL requests we not do it. (It's really quite easy.) As for morals, this whole thing sounds like political gossip about some perceived slight. As such it fits right in with "The Tattler" in a high school paper. On the other hand, the question as to why Wilson has never been answered. A professional would have been much better. And the Brits still disagree with him. Tempest meet teapot. Sailor - He wrote the article in 9/03 and the thrust of it is about Wilson, not his wife. Believe him? I had no doubt that you would not. That is why I first quoted the NYTimes article as a lead-in and qualifier. I think it is called preponderance of evidence. BTW - Prior to 1997 he was Editorial Page editor for the Rocky Mountain News.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#12)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    The hypocrisy from the Bush enablers here is laughable. If this had happened seen years ago, there would be hue and cry from the usual right trash about high crimes, and calls for congressional inquiries. Instead we get phrases like; Valerie Plame was undercover in the same way that many of my friends and neighbors are undercover at NSA. Which is to say, not at all. What a ridiculously transparent rationalization.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#13)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Che - I note you didn't comment on the quote from the article. Kind of hard to argue with an ex-CIA officer, eh?

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#14)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Prior to 1997 he was Editorial Page editor for the Rocky Mountain News.
    And he was an arrogant little jerk then too.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#15)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    All this nitpicking is pretty silly considering bush said it was a serious crime and ordered everyone in the WH to cooperate. Unless you think bush was lying about that!?

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Which of Bush's lies about his lies are credible? The damage done has not been publically, or Congressionally, measured. It is not just to Plame, but to ANYONE ever associated with the front company. If the front company is known to be a front, that's rather surprising, given that few countries are friendly to foreign SPIES. And if Plame's identity was already 'thin,' that doesn't say ANYTHING about millions of dollars of spies and informants which turned into chimney smoke because of Rove's treason. If the legitimate part of the CIA isn't covert, maybe that's why 9i1 happened. Since nuclear materials are still floating around in former-USSR, with no initiative from Bush to decommission and secure those materials, the evidence is that Bush-Rove don't give a d*mn about our national security. Pipelinestan and the massive new airbases guarding it, and the STEALTH of the Bushies in never mentioning them or the oil pipelines, never disclosing the real basis of the illegal invasion, the real basis of the Afghanistan mission -- that tells you all you need to know about why spies don't matter if they aren't in USPNAC. Rice outed an AQ mole to the NYT, blowing the UK spy mission, and endangering UK operatives who had to arrest whom they could. Thanks, Condi. Now explain to me why the NatSecAdv would out a mole in contact with terrorists on US soil planning an attack. And I'll explain why Bush took the month of August 2001 off, and the morning of 9i1 in an elementary school, hiding behind his peers.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    Jim, punching his Liar's Club Card yet again: "Kind of hard to argue with an ex-CIA officer, eh?" Kinda hard to listen to whistleblowers. Not at all hard to find a Bush-friendly CIA agent willing to catapult the propaganda for Jim.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    And this, courtesy of DU: Bush: "Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors." Jim: 'That doesn't apply to OUR traitors.'

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    was her life disrupted by her outing or her decision to have her husband, certainly no one's idea of an expert on anything other than self-aggrandizement, got to Africa. You can't hide behind you anonymity when you make a decision like that. She can now milk her position for more Vanity Fair cover shoots.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    So Ed, if you buy a kilo of heroin in the dark somewhere and don't disrupt anyone's life, are you saying a crime wasn't committed? "Thou shalt not betray the confidence of covert agents- unless it doesn't happen to cause them great distress??..." You're a damned fool...

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    Mister Ed: "her husband, certainly no one's idea of an expert on anything" Gee, that's a funny way to refer to this guy: "For 23 years, from 1976 to 1998, I was a career foreign service officer and ambassador. In 1990, as chargé d'affaires in Baghdad, I was the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein. (I was also a forceful advocate for his removal from Kuwait.) After Iraq, I was President George H. W. Bush's ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and Príncipe; under President Bill Clinton, I helped direct Africa policy for the National Security Council." Haven't seen your cv, Ed, but I'm sure you don't have anything to compare. And I'm sure Bush's dad was an idiot and a fool and a coward and a traitor, as it has always appeared. This guy was the front for one of America's most important spies. You lot don't give one thin d*mn about our national security.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#22)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    PIL writes Wilson's bio:
    under President Bill Clinton, I helped direct Africa policy for the National Security Council."
    I wonder if he's the one who said we shouldn't take OBL?

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#23)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    Blagh - You really should read the NYT article. It will help you to not make a fool of yourself.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    ppj said
    I wonder if he's the one who said we shouldn't take OBL?
    You wonder? Where's your proof ppj. Provide us with a link. If you can't prove it, why say it? This isn't fox news or newsmax.

    Anyway, I thought this was about Plame returning to the CIA not about Bill Clinton and Osama.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    I didn't 'write Wilson's bio,' I quoted it. As for 'helped' what don't you understand? Quite obviously he helped with the countries that he is familiar with by direct experience (as opposed to, say, making war with no personal experience). He isn't claiming to have made decisions or to have spoken on areas outside his expertise. He was not an expert on 'islamic' terrorism, but on nuclear materials, specifically the mining and sale of them. So your wondering, always directed away from the obvious criminality of your favorites, is not only pointless, it's stupid.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    Please provide links to what "Africa policy" has to do with OBL? OBL, from Saudi Arabia, (our ally located in the Middle East), took refuge in Afghanistan (in Southern Asia.) Apparently a child was left behind ... in geography class. fatalbert, if it wasn't clinton, it was the liberal media or the meaning of "knowingly" or 'just because god told me so'. I'm not sure what part about a traitor in the WH you have a problem with;-)

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    he spent three days drinking sweet tea and thus was qualified to evaluate the country of Nigeria. You tell me about those qualifications. Do covert operatives pose in Vanity Fair?

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#28)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    PIL writes:
    Kinda hard to listen to whistleblowers. Not at all hard to find a Bush-friendly CIA agent willing to catapult the propaganda for Jim.
    Still can't get things right, eh? He is a retired CIA agent, so I doubt he is involved in office politics. If anything you would think a CIA agent would be angry about this. Unless of course it is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Tempest meet teapot. Fat albert. Baby. Be cool. It was just a thought. Most people have'em all the time. Try it sometimes. As for proof, read PIL's post. Pay attention to the "I helped direct Africa policy for the National Security..." bit. Don't you think they were involved in the OBL turnover offer from Sudan? PIL - If having knowledge of a subject kept people from commenting on it 99% of the Internet would disapper. And that includes you. (And me.) ;-) Sailor - Perhaps PIL can tell you.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:53 PM EST
    PPJ,
    He is a retired CIA agent, so I doubt he is involved in office politics.
    Maybe not "office" politics, but he is retired. That makes him a citizen, which means he most likely is involved in that type of politics. To think otherwise is silly.

    As you said, "It was just a thought...Try it sometimes."

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:53 PM EST
    spent three days drinking sweet tea-and you want to vouch for his sterling rep. those were his words, not mine. any answer yet brewed up for why a covert op poses for Vanity Fair photos that does not include Rove/Bush using mind control?

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:53 PM EST
    she still works for the CIA to this day-do you pose for photos, covert or not? those photos were a monument to an ego and it is scarier to me that one of our "covert operatives" is posing for the photos because it gives one an idea of how seriously she took the job. you tell me-did the Novak article include photos.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:54 PM EST
    froth/froth/froth. the vanity of Wilson /Plame is just a symptom of the greater problem of sending her husband there for a free vacation to sit around and drink tea. I still don't have an answer-do operatives pose for photos in VF or anywhere else? You might want to do some reading on what Wilson actually did and accomplished-just try google/the Senate Intelligence Committee's Report which referenced the buffoon is very interesting.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    Talk about froth. The point is that THERE NEVER WAS ANY SALE OF URANIUM FROM NIGER to Hussein after he bought that 200+ TONS from Africa in the 80s with US (Reagan's) assistance. There never was any reason to send Wilson to Africa, because the forgery was SO BAD that the IAEA, from whom the Bushies withheld the document for six months, DEBUNKED it in less than an hour, using the Internet. You might try doing some reading about what a buffoon you are for believing any of these callow lies from Bush that have killed and maimed our troops.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    don't be frightened. do a little research and reading. learn about the buffoon Wilson and his lies. you can surely wipe the spittle off your computer screen long enough to do so.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    That's a flat-out DISHONEST 'reply,' Mister Ed. Defending the false excuses for a genocidal invasion to install airbases for PROFIT is your job. It is YOU who are frightened, or paid. No Niger uranium was needed by Hussein, who had 200+ tons of the stuff in Tuwaitha, which Bush left WIDE OPEN FOR A MONTH. You want some yellowcake? Bring a wheelbarrow. Don't forget to get some aluminum tubes of the wrong size and thickness to make centrifuges, and then don't forget to get some model airplane drone to fly your bombs to the US, provided the US suddenly moves within 50 miles. And don't forget to kick ElBaradei and Hans Blix in the shins, child.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#40)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    "bufoon Wilson and his lies" Please provide links. Ohh, you can't because they don't exist. It's easy to tell the liars, they can't provide research to back up their spurious allegations.

    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#41)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    PIL writes:
    and then don't forget to get some model airplane drone to fly your bombs to the US, provided the US suddenly moves within 50 miles.
    Uh, PIL if BS was a band your could lead the parade. From the Kay Report.
    Detainees and co-operative sources indicate that beginning in 2000 Saddam ordered the development of ballistic missiles with ranges of at least 400km and up to 1000km and that measures to conceal these projects from UNMOVIC were initiated in late-2002, ahead of the arrival of inspectors. Work was also underway for a clustered engine liquid propellant missile, and it appears the work had progressed to a point to support initial prototype production of some parts and assemblies...


    Re: Valerie Plame Returns to Work at CIA (none / 0) (#42)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    Please quote the final Kay report after he'd actually been there. And what a stupid comparison, missiles against 'drones of mass destruction.'