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Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist

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Posted on Mon Jul 25, 2005 at 09:59:41 AM EST
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Jane Fonda says she can't take it anymore. She's planning a bus tour to oppose the Iraq War. The bus will be fueled by vegetable oil. Fonda made the announcement in Santa Fe on her book tour.

Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she has met on a nationwide book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said.

Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement.

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    Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist | 63 comments (63 topical)
    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#1)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Can't anybody stop her? Appearances by Jane are probably the last thing a serious anti-war movement needs right now.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#2)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Yes, Hanoi Jane will alienate everyone who actually believes the "support our troops" part of the anti-war effort.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#3)
    by virginia cynic on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Unless I am mistaken the Quakers haven't stopped this war so why are you complaining? 40 Iraqis blown up yesterday with little in the press and 6 us soldiers yesterday and no mention at all that I could find of that in usa press land so good on you jane. as to the pompous quaker in thhe basement: you're either on the bus or off and I guess we know where you are.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#4)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    as to the pompous quaker in thhe basement: you're either on the bus or off and I guess we know where you are.
    That would be "on the bus" along with my fellows for the last 350 years. As for Ms. Fonda, she can offer little help other than to act as a caricature of those who oppose war.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Our democracy is already in sad shape.. the last thing we need is to be telling "certain" people that they aren't welcome to express their points of view or take up activism when they feel strongly about a cause. Besides, that argument presupposes that millions will decide to be pro war just because Jane is Anti.. never mind that their kids aren't coming home, terrorism is getting worse, etc. I predict while Jane will turn off the already turned off extremists .. if the Repugs make the mistake of using Jane for their propaganda that will just serve to bring attention to their very real problems in Iraq. So, my bet is Jane Fonda is a non issue. Jane's made her mistakes.. let's hope she's learned from them. But let's not make the mistake of saying who should or who should not exercise their rights of free speech.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    the last time she made her pronouncements, she was sitting on the a-a guns of the other side. how will she follow up on that performance today? she wasn't anti-war then, she was just on the other side.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#7)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    It's a book ratings stunt. Sad, but most likely the real motivation behind the Veggie Oil Bus Tour or VOBT. I'm thinking of selling t-shirts. Dadler, No digs on your friend with the vegie oil VW. Which probably makes a cooler acronym. VOVW....???

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Right... but she's since come out and said she shouldn't have done that... again.. hopefully she's learned from her mistakes. AA guns or not ..she still has the right to free speech, whether we agree with it or not. She might indeed be a liability out there.. highlighting Iraqi deaths, our troops coming home in flag draped coffins that aren't given any coverage.. but in the USA our values covering human rights and free speech cover everyone. In fact, if we're very very lucky, and she has grown up a bit since the days of vietnam she could be an asset. While the republican big boys are aiming their guns at her she will be gettign coverage and bringing up good points to th eUS public. All good. The facts are.. our American values should be freedom of speech and equality for all. Do we stand by those values or not?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Right... but she's since come out and said she shouldn't have done that... again.. hopefully she's learned from her mistakes. AA guns or not ..she still has the right to free speech, whether we agree with it or not. She might indeed be a liability out there.. highlighting Iraqi deaths, our troops coming home in flag draped coffins that aren't given any coverage.. but in the USA our values covering human rights and free speech cover everyone. In fact, if we're very very lucky, and she has grown up a bit since the days of vietnam she could be an asset. While the republican big boys are aiming their guns at her she will be gettign coverage and bringing up good points to th eUS public. All good. The point is.. we don;t know. The facts are.. our American values should be freedom of speech and equality for all. Do we stand by those values or not?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Dang it. Sorry for the double post

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#11)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Wonder if she will take back her apologies to the Vietnam vets? The lepoard never changes its spots. She'll look great on a camel!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    LOL.... Some people never learn! She's still licking the wounds she suffered on her last anti-US stint! You go girl...show us all again what an ass you can be. I'm sure the soldiers there will love you for it!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#13)
    by DonS on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    I was waiting for Jim to sign in. Jim, you know, I'm probably about your age but, right now, I feel so much younger than the bitter old man you seem to be. Thanks for reminding us about Vietnam; surely we never would have made the connection. As a button sold in my wife's store says, something to the effect: Iraq, its the way you spell Vietnam. Selling much better than expected.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#14)
    by John Mann on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    People like Jim and Co. will never acknowledge that the war on Iraq is a fool's errand. Almost three years ago, former Iraqi foreign minister Tariq Aziz said:
    Some people say to me that the Iraqis are not the Vietnamese! They have no jungles or swamps to hide in. I reply: let our cities be our swamps and our buildings our jungles.
    It should be clear to anyone whose head is outside his rectum that with the ample warning President Bush very kindly gave Saddam Hussein that Iraq was going to be invaded, (almost two years) the Iraqi military was disbanded and its weapons stored away for later use. And boy, are they ever being used. Then Dictator Bremer fired the entire Iraqi civil service of some 500,000 employees, and by doing so greatly assisted in the resistance's recruitment efforts. It is not possible that President Bush and his cabal are stupid enough to have not known what was going to happen in Iraq. They wanted Iraqi oil and real estate for military bases and they couldn't care less who dies.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#15)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Yes, I'm sure Jane Fonda will make or break this war. Although, seeing as the wingnuts are so crack-addled as to believe she lost Vietnam... who knows?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    SSS..... Although, seeing as the wingnuts are so crack-addled as to believe she lost Vietnam... Nope...we never said SHE lost it all by herself...she had plenty of help from the rest of the left loonies. Sorry if you misunderstood.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#17)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    DonS writes:
    I feel so much younger than the bitter old man you seem to be.
    Bitter? That's funny. I consider myself lucky to be alive, and every day is pure velvet. But how can you not think of the Vietnam war when Fonda's name comes up? That is if you are near my age. JM writes:
    Then Dictator Bremer fired the entire Iraqi civil service of some 500,000 employees, and by doing so greatly assisted in the resistance's recruitment efforts.
    So, you would have retained them. Of course Patton tried to retain the German admins. Glad to see you in bed with ole Blood and Guts.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Where the hell was she in the run up of the invasion of Iraq? Far as I am concerned she is more than irrelevant, she is detrimental to the cause. She made some bad decisions as to how she wanted to oppose the Vietnam conflict, and that stigma still follows her. And with things being the way they are these days we don't need yet another person the Repuglicans and the supposedly "christian" conservatives can use against what is left of the left. Who needs ya', Hanoi Jane?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#19)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Yay, Jane. She'll bring new life to the antiwar movement. Unfortunately, she may also bring out those who are raring for a fight or a riot. I hope that doesn't happen.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Do not let this "news", which the radical right likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, Scarborough will eat up, deter us from our focus: Rove, et al: lies, treason, NO WMD. Downing Street Memo: What did Bush know and when did he know it? What did Cheney know and when did he know it? Don't fall for another ploy to distract from the need for investigation into the lies and possible treason. The administration has lied to the American people and the rest of the world. Hold them accountable and don't fall for this faux news.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    well we have the 101st fighting keyboardist. what do we call the keyboardist anti-war crowd this is why we dont have big protest anymore...everybodys doing their part in the comments section...good thing we didnt have computers during the vietnam war...it may still be going on.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Since we have John Bolton telling the world that the reason why he didn't fight in Vietnam was because the "war was already lost by 1970," and Fonda didn't go to N. Vietnam until 1973, clearly she didn't lose the war for the LIARS in the Pentagon. As for her help fighting the illegal invasion/airbases scheme -- GLAD TO HAVE HER BACK ON THE LINE. Who gives a damn about the rightwing hysteria machine? They want to spend their time attacking Fonda, let 'em. Our problem is the Diebolded voting system, not that the rightwing can't wait to beat up on a rich old white lady. In a functional democracy, both Houses would swing back to Dem control next year. With 29 states having no recount rights, running PROVEN vote-fraud equipment -- Jane Fonda is not the problem. And Hillary ain't the solution.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#23)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    PIL - It was 8/72, but who's counting? da lurker - Excellent question.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    I have to agree with Paul In LA...Hilarly is not the solution. I cringe at the thought of her getting the Democratic Nomination. People like her are what is wrong with the Democratic Party. We need more people like Dean and Kucinich. People who truly want believe in what they doing. Not people like Hilary who jump at any given trend that will get her elected.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    If a few celebs wanna join the cause of sanity/honesty then that's cool but I doubt the celebrity worship 'zines will cover anything that opposes the empire that owns them. Our biggest problem of course is that we have a lotta people in the US of A who think slapping a magnetic ribbon made in China on the back of their SUV makes them a patriot. A fat, dumb and happy lot that support a war they would never send their own kids to die in. da lurker...call me anti-hypocrite since I am against the war and won't fight in it...unlike the wingnuts here that are for it but won't fight in it. And without a draft, this thing will drag on a lot longer than Vietnam for the simple reason that there's money to be made from war and most people here see no problem with lower class kid's blood padding their retirement funds.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    8/72, which is two years after that strategic genius/coward John Bolton bolted from the recruiters to avoid serving in his favorite war. And your point was? Oh, that's right -- your point was Kill Them All. And anyone who gets in the way of GENOCIDE is your enemy. Because you 'love freedom' and are a 'social liberal.' War against civilians is how you get closer to God.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Posted by Ernesto Del Mundo at July 25, 2005 11:00 PM da lurker...call me anti-hypocrite since I am against the war and won't fight in it...unlike the wingnuts here that are for it but won't fight in it. Ernesto Del Mundo, I think you are right on. I only ment that I don't see the mass protest like I participated in during vietnam. If a few million peolple show up at the national mall everyonce in a while the main street media would have to take notice. the media would be, like, bypassed. I didnt like the critisism givin to jane fonda by what i thought were anti-war people. Does seem to be a lot of wingnuttery around here. I filed for concienntious objector, vietnam war was based on lies, also. ( Gulf of Tonkin Incident) There are a some "democrats" that want to drop abortion rights, gay rights, anything controversal as a way to "win". I say you dont win without all these things even if you "win". If jane can shake things up then go for it. your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore - john prine

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    so PPJ, do you still think it was an "excellent question"?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    I am too young to remember Vietnam (before I was born by 10 years), but I believe that the protests didn't really heat up till 1968 which was well into Nam. Let us fret for a bit more, and America's youth will realize that our lives have value and snap out of it. And a lot of us are getting really pissed. I just don't want to be killed in the next Kent State.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    The people have never and will never like killing. Wars always fall apart when we realize all we are doing is killing and being killed. Maybe they will build a pretty black wall with names from my generation, and then everything will be great!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#32)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    I despise Fonda. I'm so glad she's on your side and has decided to start making noise. You'll have to decide whether to acknowledge that she speaks for you--which she does--or figure out a way to make her message disappear. O frabjous day!!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#33)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    da lurker writes:
    “so PPJ, do you still think it was an "excellent question"?
    What to name the anti-warists? Yes, I do. Maybe we could call them the "I Army." You know, like, "I" only do what “I” want to. "I" won't fight but "I" expect you to protect "I." We could call the Supreme Commander the "Big I." The non-battle chant, chanted only while at Starbuck's with a hot spot, could be: "I, I, I, I, I...." The official motto could be, “I am scared.” Or, more charitable, “I don’t want my life disturbed.” On a more serious note, the Internet is what has you boxed in. It keeps reminding us that the enemy is real, and we can see the results. The enemy we fought in Vietnam was the Soviets. That was hard to define and it was hard for many to understand that Vietnam was a battle in that war. When Vietnam was defined as a "revolution," which it was not, people lost interest. That, of course, is why all the communist takeovers/invasions were always couched as “revolutions,” “power to the people,” etc. V2 – Don’t worry little guy. Those who serve will protect you and be sure your life isn’t disturbed with having to fight our mutual enemies. Et al – Guess I’ll have to break out my old “Hanoi Jane” T-Shirt and my “I’m not fonda of Fonda” one. RA is right. She’ll remind everyone of what she did in Vietnam and show the current group for what they are. Life is good.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#34)
    by swingvote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    "you're either on the bus or off" Does it strike anyone else just how much this sounds like Bush's "you're either with us or against us"? Where is this bus? Who else is on it? Who is driving it? How soon until it veers off a cliff?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#35)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    RA, Fonda speaks for Fonda, not for me, or anyone else. The "left" did not elect, or appoint, her to anything. Do you speak for Bush?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#36)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Roger. Let's suppose that Fonda says one or two things you don't believe. Hard to feature, I know, but we're supposin' here. So what? You all look the same. You got her. She's got you. That would be an injustice if you believed differently, which is most unlikely. But, unjust or not, yoooooou...got it!!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#37)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    RA, We all look the same? Justice depends on your beliefs? I guess that you just said it all!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#38)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    No, Roger. Try again. It would be an injustice to you to be lumped with Fonda if you believed differently. But you don't, so everything's cool.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#39)
    by Aaron on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    If more Americans had had the guts to stand up like Jane Fonda did, millions of Vietnamese lives and tens of thousands of Americans would have been saved. Being a real American doesn't mean supporting leaders who manipulate the facts and manufacture evidence in order to further a political agenda as was the case in Vietnam. And today this kind of manipulation is again costing tens of thousands of lives for some ideological pie-in-the-sky. Let's hope we put on the brakes before it starts costing millions of lives once again. Take a look at the faces of the Americans dying in Iraq. Faces of the Fallen Now take a look at the Iraqis being put through a meat grinder on a daily basis. checked the July 4 entry All dying for the neocon wet dream.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#40)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    “The facts are.. our American values should be freedom of speech and equality for all. Do we stand by those values or not?” Sharing negative opinions on some halfwit celeb isn’t the contravention of free speech; it’s the practice of free speech. In effect you are telling folks that if they endorse free speech they would shut up about Hanoi Jane’s broken credibility. Wrapping yourself in the façade of free speech to stifle dissent; truly asinine.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Paul in La..La.. Since we have John Bolton telling the world that the reason why he didn't fight in Vietnam was because the "war was already lost by 1970,"....clearly she didn't lose the war for the LIARS in the Pentagon. And he is absolutely the beacon of all truth in the world? What he says is gospel ? LOL I already said she didn't do it...ALL you lefties did!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Paul in LA..LA Our problem is the Diebolded voting system.. There's the Paulie we know & love. Still whining about the 'stolen' election... LMAO Not to leave out the legion of Geneva Conv. violations, Dude...how many times do we have to tell you that the Convention doesn't apply here? Do you read & comprehend the language?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    BB
    ..how many times do we have to tell you that the Convention doesn't apply here? Do you read & comprehend the language?
    Sorry, "Dude", the Convention does apply to anyone who respects the rule of law. If your leader gets you to believe his lies, does that mean you are not responsible? No. You apologists for the criminal element that has taken over the government are right in bed with them. Shouting the lies louder and louder does not make them more true.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Cheetah.... Sorry, "Dude", the Convention does apply to anyone who respects the rule of law. Sorry ..but you are mistaken. Read up on the facts & get back to me. The convention applies to countries & Governments that have signed it. If they don't abide by it, we don't either...it's called "All is fair in love & war" ever heard of it? If your enemy hides behind a tree... you can too. Its' the REAL world...deal with it! You apologists for the criminal element that has taken over the government are right in bed with them. I'm not alopogizing to or for anybody. I expect my president to go kick some ass if they are f-ing with me... that's what he is doing. I don't have a problem with that. If that means making some poor terrorists a little uncomfortable while we are trying to get info out of him that may save YOUR life...so be it. Unlike most of the left... I love this country and don't jump at the chance to condemn it becuase it isn't perfect. The people of this country...the Government...or the military aren't the bad guys here...no matter what your propoganda spin machine tries to tell you. You need to open your eyes.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    BB, I believe you need a reading comprehension course. I believe the Geneva Coventions apply to the US. If you want to go along with the lies coming out of the whitehouse, go ahead. As I said, you just make yourself a parrot. It's OK, parrots are very colorful birds.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#46)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    My guess is that some of you are not aware that Jane Fonda's face adorns what might be called anti-splash pads in the urinals in military facilities. How's that for making a lasting impression? I expect replacement sales to continue briskly.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Jim: "The enemy we fought in Vietnam was the Soviets. That was hard to define and it was hard for many to understand that Vietnam was a battle in that war." I granted you this claim in my posting, Jim. That generosity doesn't extend to the USPNAC illegal invasion of Iraq. The US is now a signatory on the Genocide Convention, which would have made that 'extended' genocide on Vietnamese in a war of the superpowers ILLEGAL. Iraq is an illegal war of aggression. Speaking strictly in legal terms, what was legal in the 1960s is illegal now. The law has moved on. The anti-evolutionists want it all rolled back in the 1400s, but too bad for them. • Torquemada Rumsfeld is a war criminal. • Genghiz Bush has killed 130,000 civilians, on shifting false pretexts which wouldn't stand a minute in a fair court. • Halliburton Dick is in violation of a mountain of ethics laws. All three of them participated in the conspiracy and lies that led to this invasion for airbases. Since we are demonstrably less safe now, their aid and comfort to our real enemies (such as handing out 400 shoulder-fired missiles because of failure to guard them) is treason. Demonization of Jane Fonda is so retro you people look like FOOLS with it. You might as well wear bell-bottoms.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#48)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    RA, Urinal splash guards??? In four years, I never saw one. Where do you get this stuff? BB, Your argument seems to be "I was just following orders". Good luck with that. Also, if I agree with you that we both like the color blue, am I now responsible for all of your opinions? It's called "logic"..."Dude"!

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#49)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Roger, I saw one, once...I think in Korea at Osan Airbase, circa the mid 1980's

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#50)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Patrick, If I saw one, I think I'd try to snag it as a souvenier, assuming it was clean. Pretty funny. Still, the point remains that I can be anti-war and still consider Fonda an idiot.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#51)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    cheetah writes:
    BB, I believe you need a reading comprehension course. I believe the Geneva Coventions apply to the US.
    I invite you to read the GC. I particularly invite you to read Part 1, Articles 4 and 5. Roger. Glad to know what you think of Hanoi Jane, but you'll have to admit that she belongs to the Left. For better, or worse.... ;-)

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#52)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    PILA - My point was that the American public sees clearly who and what the enemy is in the current conflict. You seem to have missed that.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#53)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    Read it. Many times.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#54)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    cheetah - And why do you think it applies to the terrorists?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#55)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    And just which terrorists would that be, PPJ?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#56)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    Cheetah.... I would have liked to have answered this yesterday but I have been limited to 4 comments. Not sure why as it was never really explained to me… Kinda funny that dissention (something the left supposedly thrives on) is not tolerated very much here on TL…. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ seeing how I believe the Geneva Coventions apply to the US. Well, in this case, you believe wrong! Our enemies have not signed it… don’t believe in it …and aren’t following it (cutting heads off is a definite no no) so therefore, we are not obligated to abide by them ether. If you want to go along with the lies coming out of the whitehouse, go ahead. The white house has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. These are the facts….plain & simple. The Ironic thing here is…you are believing ‘the lies’ out of the left propaganda machine, (and are using this to bash Bush with) claiming the Conventions do apply. So you my friend are the real “parrot” here, propagating this crap about the Conventions & how bad we (BUSH) are for not following them. It’s ok though…more ‘color’ to you... enjoy! Roger... Your argument seems to be "I was just following orders... HUH? It's called "logic"..."Dude"! Well Roger...your logic sure escapes me.....

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#57)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    PPJ.... And just which terrorists would that be, PPJ? I guess you'll have to paint cheetah a picture? Apparently he/she doesn't have a clue?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#59)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    Show transcripts of the tribunals which determined their status before we tortured them. BTW, I know some have cut off heads, but do we have them in custody? I haven't even heard who exactly these "prisoners" are...

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#61)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    no worry, BB, if there's any justice in the world, America would have disappeared in a mushroom cloud years and years ago...but there isn't, since it hasn't...and the world is left with laws, which neocons don't want to follow or enforce unless it does them benefit. So no worry, BB, if there is a God as you righties all claim there is, and if he's anything like the Biblical God, America's problems are only beginning... Ask Rome...or the Greeks...or the British Empire...or the Spanish Empire...or the Incan Empire....or the Aztecs...or the Egyptians.... or the bloody Third Reich or the Soviet Union... There has been no Empire in world history that survived once its hubris outpaced its intellect...and by that measure, Bush is on borrowed time...as are all Americans who allow such people not only to gain, but remain in and abuse power to this extent. The chickens are coming home to roost, and all you've heard is the distant peeping...when they finally arrive, there'll be hell to pay...ask the Romans...or the Greeks... P.S. And anyone who thinks Blaghdaddy takes pleasure in such a prediction is a fool...Blagh has predicted he will one day die, and that gives him no pleasure...but facts are facts, and history is history...and the longer the 'cons remain in Washington, the more savage the reckoning will be... Ask the Romans...or the Greeks...

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#62)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    BlaghD... BB, if there is a God as you righties all claim there is, You claiming ALL righties believe in God is just as inaccurate as me saying ALL lefties are athiests. To set the record straight....I consider myself middle of the road. I lean left on some issue & right on others. I happen to NOT beleive in God in fact. The difference (IMO) between the left & right is that I'm not fighhting to take any reference of God out of the Pledge, the Constitution or any of my local public offices just because I don't beleive. But, people on the left feel obligated to force their will on others. Please amuse me and tell me how you think God is going to punish the USA & why? We are bad? Worse than most of the other nations on this earth?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#63)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    BB, You forgot the ending, that all others are considered civilians.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#64)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    BB, You SHOULDN'T believe in God. If God exists you will surely have to answer for all those bombing missions. How many civilians did your bombs kill? Hard to tell from 30,000 feet.

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#65)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    BlaghD... BB, if there is a God as you righties all claim there is, You claiming ALL righties believe in God is just as inaccurate as me saying ALL lefties are athiests. To set the record straight....I consider myself middle of the road. I lean left on some issue & right on others. I happen to NOT beleive in God in fact. The difference (IMO) between the left & right is that I'm not fighhting to take any reference of God out of the Pledge, the Constitution or any of my local public offices just because I don't beleive. But, people on the left feel obligated to force their will on others. Please amuse me and tell me how you think God is going to punish the USA & why? We are bad? Worse than most of the other nations on this earth?

    Re: Jane Fonda Resumes Old Role: Anti-War Activist (none / 0) (#66)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    commenter over four a day limit

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