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Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Deport

By TChris, Section Crime Policy
Posted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 at 07:18:32 PM EST
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The feds are rounding up "suspected gang members" by the hundreds. More than a thousand "suspected gang members and associates" have been arrested in the last five months.

Under the ICE anti-gang program, local and state police departments have supplied federal immigration and customs agents with the names of thousands of suspected gang members. Federal agents are comparing those lists with federal immigration databases to target members or associates who are in the country illegally or who have committed serious crimes that make them eligible for deportation, officials said.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement division of Homeland Security began the program in March. Initially targeting one gang, the program "quickly expanded to encompass alleged members of 80 gangs in 25 states, including Latin Kings, Asian Boyz and Jamaican Posse." The government will seek to deport, rather than prosecute, about 90 percent of the arrestees, presumably because ICE can't prove that 90 percent of the "suspected gang members" committed any crimes after entering the country.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff argues that street gangs pose a "severe threat to public safety." Maybe, but other law enforcement agencies are charged with prosecuting street crime. Homeland Security should focus on its central mission: protecting the nation from terrorist attack. This distraction from the agency's mission may mean that Chertoff has lost his focus. Or perhaps distraction is his focus. Arrests and deportation threats make for powerful headlines, and they keep the press from asking why Homeland Security isn't inspecting most of the cargo that enters the country.

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    Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Deport | 21 comments (21 topical)
    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#1)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    Do you mean to tell me someone is doing something about gangs in the usa! no,way,it can't happen here in never,never land. but i got a bad feeling about this round-up, you maybe next, and we will see many more round-up's soon and not all gangs. oh yes, this is just one more government gang attacking non government gang members. soon all the gangs will be government gangs. and how about the shuttle for u.s.a. know-how; help. oh yes, we down here in san diego are not seeing any gangs getting rounded up, so whats really happening in our land of freedom? watch out people the big boys are making a move on you right now.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    I do not feel protected by homeland security. The pattern of cash disbursements to protect the 'homeland' (I still can not get ovet the Nazi overtones of that name) indicate that terrorist attacks are benifical to the neocons. They will eventually destroy the constitution and we roll over because of fear. I am not surprised that the patriot act and Homeland security will be used in all cases, terriorist or just regular old crime. Goebbel's said something like: 'forget the intellectuals, it is the people on the street. make them afraid and you can do anything you please.' I read that Rove's grandpa was a major Nazi, built a death camp. Have you read about the new contingency plan for Iran. Preemptive nuclear strike, if we have another terror attack in the US.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#3)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    Squeaky writes:
    I read that Rove's grandpa was a major Nazi, built a death camp. Have you read about the new contingency plan for Iran. Preemptive nuclear strike, if we have another terror attack in the US.
    Interesting. Can you give is some links??

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    Rove's Grandpa: google search I can not find the original post from the American Conservatove Mag but this should do: Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#5)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    Hey, look - TChris is joining TL - they have a shared befuddlement over the "illegal" part of "illegal immigration". It doesn't matter if these people can be found guilty of any other crimes - if they aren't here legally, the proper punishment is deportation. By the logic TChris uses, the conviction of 30's era mobsters on income tax grounds was somehow illegitimate...

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#6)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    Squeaky, A "preemptive" strike after an attack?

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    Yes a preemptive strike (preemptive adj : designed or having the power to deter or prevent an anticipated situation or occurrence; "a preemptive business offer") Iran does not have to be linked with a future terror attack here. The contingency plan it to attack Iran, 450 designated sites with nukes. If Iran were responsible for a terror attack here it would be retaliatory, but Iran just because it part to the 'nexus of evil' gets nuked anyway. Juan Cole (search on his site for Iran Contingency Plan) Juan Cole seems to think this is not going to happen. It hope he is right. Here is the link to the American Conservative Magazine American Conservative Magazine

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#8)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Squeaky, If it were to be an after-the-fact response to an attack, as you describe, then by your own definition it is not preemptive. Calling it preemptive makes it sound scarier, I know, but is the complete opposite of what the word actually means. You will have to decide if you are going for accuracy or effect here. Oh, and btw, nexus of evil? I like it!

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    ras, invading Iraq was a pre-emptive attack in the wake of 9/11. So invading Iran will be the same deal in the wake of the next attack. Use your noodle here.
    Oh, and btw, nexus of evil? I like it!
    Hey if you liked that then you will love "The Struggle Against Violent Extremism". With a name like that it's gotta be good. Especially since I am assuming we can include the Bushies in the list of violent extremist groups. Let the struggle commence!

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Obviously, career criminals - some of whom are veterans of Central American armies - who illegally enter our country should be allowed to remain. Or, at least so say the Democrats. The rest of you might want to see The Immigrant Gang Plague. (If there were no nofollow tag on that link, search engines would be able to better understand what this post is about. But, I guess that isn't that important, right? Look into what happened to Wikipedia and why they stopped using that tag.)

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#11)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Che, ras, invading Iraq was a pre-emptive attack in the wake of 9/11. So invading Iran will be the same deal in the wake of the next attack. Use your noodle here. So, following the thread, you're saying that Iraq was involved in 911? Possibly. Me, I know Saddam had all sorts of ties to terrorist groups and functioned as a real sugar daddy for them, plus he was such a micro-manager (I know, I know, show me a sadistic dictator who ain't). So it looks pretty likely. But that only confirms his indirect involvement in 9-11. Whether or not he was directly involved is still up in the air. I cannot share your certainty on this one, Che, tho time may yet prove it to be so.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    ras...just an FYI...that was my post you were delusionally responding to, not che's. OK...resume delusions.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#13)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Squeaky - Thanks for the links. I was assuming you had something from the MSM, not a far Left blog site that rambles off in all directions. I mean I have heard nothing about dual citizenship, death camps, Grandfather, etc. But let’s assume you are right, let’s say Rove was born in Germany and let’s say he has dual citizenship and let’s say his father worked as an engineer for a company that built death camps. So what, Squeaky? Do you live in a world that says the grandchildren suffer because of the sins of the grandfather? Or is it only Republicans? Or is it only members of the Bush Administration? Either way, it is despicable. Now, let’s turn to your next link. Are you telling me this is a “Conservative” site? Oh well. And didn’t I read the Iran part in this Blog a few days, maybe a week, ago? And Squeaky, and Ernesto and anyone within reading range. If an attack on Iran occurs after a terrorist attack that Iran is involved in, it is a retaliatory attack. Can’t be otherwise. It has happened after something else has happened. If you hit someone in the nose, and if they hit you back, they have retaliated. Now, if we are convinced that Iran is going to attack, and if we attack first, then it is a preemptive attack. Are the plans real? Probably. They are called war plans, and you might be amazed at the countries we have plans to invade, or attack, based on this, based on that. It is called “Planning.” And it is just plain old common sense. Think of it as the plan, I hope, you have that lays out what you will do if your home is on fire, or if someone is breaking in. ras – Re Iraq and Saddam. You sly dog. I am LOL. ;-) ;-)

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Rove, or Rover, is a public figure. When someone's main function is to trash their opponents with real or ficticous dirt from a public platform, and that person is a public figure It is OK to out them even if it is their thirty fourth cousin seventeen times removed whi was a Nazi. If your father was a Nazi, ppj, I would feel sorry for you, even if I did not like you. If your father were Rove I would feel really, really, sorry for you and understand. The American Conservative Magazine is a conservative Magazine, unless you think it is a lampoon.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Ah..."arrest & deport" .... what a novel idea. Good riddance..

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#16)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Homeland Security Thought some of you might find this interesting.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#17)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    Squeaky - Nice of you to decide to condemn people based on their ancestors. Have you checked your own? I say again. Condemning people based on things, if what you claim is true, that their ancestors did is despicable. It also totally illogical and an excellent way to keep blood feuds and ancient hatreds going. You make an excellent hillbilly of the Hatfield and McCoys variety.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:50 PM EST
    PPJ- I would try to follow your benevolent example, except my posts might actually wind up getting nasty. Rove is evil and has done nothing but follow a Goebbles/Neocon script in order to promote Fascism in America. Our friends in the international community seem to agree. Is Rove, Bolton, Feith, Cheney who you want to represent you. I will do all I can to get these guys out, even if it means playing by their rules.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    What I found most interesting about this is that such a large percentage of these arrests are leading to deportation....but what about the American gangs. People who cannot be shipped out, but will continue to disrupt our streets. They are obviously targeting minorities and illegal aliens, but it's really not enough, is it?

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#20)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Squeaky writes:
    PPJ- I would try to follow your benevolent example, except my posts might actually wind up getting nasty.
    A Leftie get nasty? Quick! Stop the presses! Tear down the front page; we have a new lead story. Get nasty? Are you telling me that you consider blaming the children for the sins of their parents, moral and socially acceptable? That is funny. It really is. It is also illogical and unintelligent, but who’s keeping score?
    Our friends in the international community...
    Squeaky. Please. Countries do not have friends; they have areas of national interest. Try, real hard please, to understand what that means.

    Re: Homeland Security's Strategy: Arrest and Depo (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    Gee wiz, I did not know that I was a leftie. Must be caus I never talked to a wingnut, which you must be claiming to be. Very exciting, now I know which side I am on. Our friends, refers to my friends and friends of other people I know. Our international glory days as supporters or freedom and democracy around the world is seen as empty rhetoric. We are now known for being pro torture proto fascists, with an imperial agenda. I have found it hard to believe that America, and now Americans are seen this way but now I have first hand experience, courtesy of you. We will know what it has been like to be a German, in the international community, for the last 30 years, whether or not their grandpa's were party members or not.

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