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Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan 'We Don't Care!'

By Last Night in Little Rock, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:01:57 PM EST
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by Last Night in Little Rock

My wife, from a long line of anti-war protestors, whose father fought in the Pacific in WWII and came home to protest the Vietnam War outside Nixon's San Clemente Western White House, just returned from two days protesting at President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch.

She reported that the pro-Bush supporters were taunting Cindy Sheehan just before Sheehan departed "We don't care." I was appalled and couldn't believe it. No, she was dead serious. She was tearing up talking about it. It was, in fact, reported in the DailyKos here.

An Hispanic Gold Star woman took a letter for Laura Bush signed by many of them, as far as she could make it, and left a letter with some flowers in the street because no one would take it. The government goon told her to "pick it up." The woman replied: "You pick it up. We pick up the bodies of our sons, fathers, brothers, sisters, nephews, and nieces after they die. The least you can do is pick up a letter."

The LA Times today has a great editorial noting that while Bush can meet with his moneyed donors, Cindy has paid for her access in blood, yet he won't meet with her.

Update

More from Crawford:

The Pro-Bush and Anti-war demonstrators are all coming to Crawford. The people of Crawford, with two notable exceptions, are staying out of it.

The people of Crawford are not at all like the yahoos firing the gun into the air shooting "doves" or the chain and pipe [knuckle] dragger who knocked down the crosses and flags symbolizing the dead who really could have hurt somebody in the dark.

The people of Crawford who had the chance made a point of talking to those who were leaving the vigil, noticing buttons and bumperstickers, and they generally seemed supportive of the anti-war movement, or at least didn't like the President.

A convenience store operator, commented favorably on a button I picked up in Michigan two years ago and gave to my wife saying "Dissent is Patriotic." He wanted to talk about it. "Bush is a poser," he said. "He's not from around here. He wears cowboy boots to look the part, but he's not. Once his Presidency is over, he'll go back to where the money is." She gave him her "When Clinton lied, nobody died" button.

(Remember, he only bought that ranch in 2000. As they say in Texas, "Big hat, no cows.")

Another lady in the same store said "Don't worry about his neighbors, honey. They're just a bunch of inbreds. The rest of us here are not like that."

Thank you Crawford for your hospitality.

Body count: US, 1863; total coalition forces, 2057

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    Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan 'We Don't Care!' | 32 comments (32 topical)
    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:33 PM EST
    Looks like the compassionate conservatives get a lot less compassionate when you put the squeeze on their blood money pipeline.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Ma Bush chimes in :
    Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?
    From think progress via kos.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    And Cindy's reply:
    but I don't see them putting their money where their mouths are. I don't think they are willing to pay even a small down payment for freedom by sacrificing their own blood or the flesh of their children. I still challenge them to go to Iraq and let another soldier come home. Perhaps a soldier that is on his/her third tour of duty, or one that has been stop-lossed after serving his/her country nobly and selflessly, only to be held hostage in Iraq by power mad hypocrites who have a long history of avoiding putting their own skin in the game.
    via HuffPo

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#5)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Yes its about oil, power and control not about ideals like freedom, bush is what he is, a total Rat. just remember his family history with this area and the friendship the bush family had with saddam. the blood money is normal inside this non government, and all the so called compassionate conservatives care about this the of slavery for the mass-number of people who will be in the end used like animals by the few and rich, just like in the third world. but ask why people will die for rats like bush?..no jobs and little money in a family, and the mass propaganda. where is bin laden?

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#6)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    if need be! bush would become with the politicians islamic "if need be" remember all of our ruling class are rats, and would sell you and yours on the open slave market "if need be". and it will become need be some day. ask why is a islamic republic being made in iraq right now? what happened to the billions in oil? why did bush say "We don't want bin laden"..ask where is bin laden?

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    "We don't care." Kinda sum up this whole administration. Dontcha think?

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#8)
    by Last Night in Little Rock on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Three asides that are also pertinent: 1. Disclosure: I was a certified conscientious objector to the Vietnam war (I-O status issued in 1970) based on "I will defend this country from attack, but I cannot and will not fight another country's civil war that involves no threat to the United States." 2. My wife had to go to Crawford. Her high school sweetheart from the Laguna Beach HS class of 1965 was one of the first draftees to get to Vietnam and be killed. Her family grieves his death to this day. 3. My 85 year old mother-in-law carried "End the War" signs every Saturday at Main Beach in Laguna for 12 years. Her same group is back for this war. And she never used the F-word until describing George W. Bush.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#9)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    squeaky, ma bush has been like this all along, regardless of her PR. back in the day, she referred to geraldine ferraro as "something that rhymes with witch", a little noted aside she made to reporters. i was especially intrigued by the guy who stated that he would willingly sacrifice his entire family (himself excluded, near as i could tell) for g.w. and his various wars. no word on how the rest of the family felt about this, though he did say his 16 year-old son wanted to enlist, and he was encouraging him. this is the mentality that we are dealing with, and, honestly, i have no clue how to get through to them, since facts seem to bounce right off.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#10)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    I've got an idea for a new Republican bumper sticker. Its a yellow ribbon torn in half. The caption "Support the Troops" is replaced by "We Don't Care".

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    The most important thing to remember, at least to me, is that these pro-Bushies have every right to state their case lawfully. HOWEVER, let us also remember it DOES NOT REQUIRE A FREE COUNTRY to praise the powers that be, nor does it come with any risk. Freedom is not a necessary ingrediant for toeing the company line. You can do that in any tyranny on earth. And the hateful tone of their "protesting" Sheehan's group doesn't match the rhetoric.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    The debate over the American debacle in Iraq sounds more and more like the Fram oil filter ads from the 1970's. In those spots, a hard-nosed mechanic tells consumers, "you can pay me now or pay me later." The inevitable result of the current political dialogue over Iraq will be the "Fram choice" for Americans: the United States can lose now or lose later. On the right, President Bush and his fellow travelers refuse to accept accountability for selling a war that a majority of Americans view as a mistake. The administration and its amen corner refuse to deviate from a failed strategy that has produced a security nightmare and economic devastation, while maintaining the fictional linkage between 9/11 and Iraq. Many on the left, swept up in the emotion of Cindy Sheehan's crusade, are calling for an immediate withdrawl from Iraq that could produce the next Somalia or worse, the next Afghanistan... For the full story, see: "What Is to Be Done: A 10-Point Plan for Iraq."

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    AA-As long as we are in Iraq the Iraqi government will be considered illegitimate. The best and easiest plan can be accomplished in two steps. 1. Pull all American troops out of Iraq. 2. Give Iraq one trillion dollars with an apology note. Unfortunately, as blowback, we Americans will have to lower our standard of living as a result of our governments crime. But, since we didn't have to make any economic sacrifices during this war, we can call it the Deferred Post War Sacrifice Plan. The only other way to pay for this plan is to freeze the bank accounts of all administration official involved with misleading the American Public into this debacle, and create a reparations fund to pay back Iraqis and all Americans for having to endure an illegal imperialist war. If that were to happen all of Americians would increase their standard of living and become rich, as would the Iraqis. A happy ending to a horror story.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    WE DON'T CARE what part of this from the neo-fascist repuglicans surprises you or anyone? welcome to the "New World Odor" in the U.S.. actually it's not new at all. the U.S. has always been filled with selfish, greedy, racist arseholes. it's just that they're becoming more overt and adamant about their "values".

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#15)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Bush %%$^^^%$...you little rat! where is bin laden?

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#16)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    squeaky, that is simplistic, at very best. much as i hate to say it, for us to just up and leave, right now, this very instant, would result in the kind of "civil" war that would leave millions of dead and desultory iraqis, and iran in charge. it would be framed as religious, but it would, as always, be about money: who gets it and who doesn't. that's been the problem since day one, aside from the lies used to convince us to go in the first place, there has been no actual plan, aside from the blitzkrieg to baghdad. this was war on the cheap: as few troops and supplies as rumsfeld could get away with, and claim victory. if these guys ran a business as well as they've run an administration, they'd be run out of town on a rail. we have a moral obligation to the iraqi people to ensure, as much as we reasonably can, that there isn't a blood bath when we leave. it's the right thing to do. oh, and send jenna and barbara over to help. maybe they can design stylish burquas or something.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    The entire Bush family is surreal. They exist without hearts. How can their followers be expected to exhibit anything less. Sickening.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    c...: "we have a moral obligation to the iraqi people to ensure, as much as we reasonably can, that there isn't a blood bath when we leave. it's the right thing to do." You're hallucinating. THERE IS NO PLAN TO WITHDRAW. THERE WILL BE NO PLAN TO WITHDRAW. Fifteen PERMANENT airbases, and the 82nd Airborne on its way to Iraq, to invade Iran, probably after a 'retaliation' nuke or two. We are in the middle of USPNAC, and if you don't know that, you ain't paying attention. They have a complex plan of subverting the governments of the ME, en masse, and no amount of soldier's getting killed for spurious strategies is going to stop them. It's genocide until there is civil war in Iraq, and genocide elsewhere until the various oil-rich countries are all in Bush's backpocket. It's disgusting, it's illegal, it's immoral, and it's unconstitutional. It is NOT about the fake election in 2006 or the fake election in 2008. It is not vulnerable to (ordinary) politics. It is a concerted conspiracy to replace our democracy for the insane Machiavellian realpolitik map redrawing by the oil and military industries.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#20)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    cpinva-Yes, just pulling out may have a worse effect, although a coin toss. Handing over a trillion dollars with an apology would be so utterly startling an act from the Imperialist US that the insurgents et.al. would reconsider their world view. Perhaps, in order to guarantee success for peace in the region, we should give the Palestinians a trillion as well.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#21)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Paul in LA: I see you are back to using made up acronyms. You should make up a few more and throw us off for a while. I gotta ask- what is a permanant airbase? Concrete runways so aircraft don't have to use dirt roads? Airconditioned tents instead of non-airconditioned tents? Break out the tinfoil hats.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Wylie_ Ask the bush Admin. It was their idea and language. My guess is that they were looking to dominate the area well into the 22 century.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#23)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Wile, Is correcting diction the best you can do? Try answering this simple question: What was the noble cause?

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    i was especially intrigued by the guy who stated that he would willingly sacrifice his entire family (himself excluded, near as i could tell) for g.w. and his various wars. no word on how the rest of the family felt about this, though he did say his 16 year-old son wanted to enlist, and he was encouraging him.
    I think this is the type of person that "Old Lodge Skins" in the movie "Little Big Man" was referring to as the "white man" in this quote: "...the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference."

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#25)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    Che: sorry, no noble cause, PIL makes up stuff and passes it out. I point it out.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#26)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    Wile, why the vitriol about permanent bases? It's all right there in the PNAC manifesto. Are you calling Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld, Jeb, et al liars? Explain.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    Getting back to the topic of this post, I thought people might be amused (or appalled, more like) to read this. Apparently we've got it all wrong. The "We Don't Care" folks weren't saying "We Don't Care" about dead soldiers -- they were saying "We Don't Care" about prisoner abuse and human rights violations in Abu Ghraib, etc. This is what organizer/right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher says, anyway:
    The bloggers printed that I took the bullhorn I had with me Friday night and all of us directed a cheer to the anti-war protesters about Cindy Sheehan's son's death and we cheered, "We don't care - We don't care." Now of course, you know what the "We don't care" cheer was about, cause you heard me talk about it before we went to Crawford. It was about the Iraqi insurgents complaining - and the terrorist prisoners complaining - about being mistreated. Yet, the bloggers wrote, "Mike Gallagher led a cheer of rabid right-wingers screaming, 'We don't care' directed at Cindy Sheehan over the loss of her son.
    Renders me almost, but not quite, speechless...

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    webmacher- We should start a collection to send them over to Iraq so their message can reach the appropriate audience. What were we thinking? Some times the left is just too literal, obviously they couldn't have been talking about Cindy and her dead son.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:36 PM EST
    Posted by Wile E. Coyote: "I see you are back to using made up acronyms." Hilarious. There is nothing 'made up' about USPNAC. PNAC by itself is nothing -- the "Crazies," talking amongst themselves. Stealing power sufficient to carry it off produces USPNAC, meaning that the force of the US military and gov't has been added to the conspiracy. Flour, water, just add yeast. This 'yeast' makes building drop, not rise. "I gotta ask- what is a permanant airbase?" Why don't you ask the Pentagon, if you are so naive. • POLYMER CEMENT, imported at great cost, to make highest-load airstrips that can land C5As and the rest. • Massively large bases big enough to allow large cargo planes to make low approaches free from danger from shoulder-fired missiles and small arms fire. • Luxurious buildings sufficient for quartering enough military brass (and less well housed soldiers) to back up THE LARGEST US EMBASSY IN THE WORLD, already being built. Enough liars at home to keep saying 'Wah? Airbases? Wha?" • ACME deliveries, as fast as they can be flown in.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:36 PM EST
    On topic, "We don't care" is nothing more or less than "Kill them all." It is the bark of racist corporatists.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#31)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:36 PM EST
    Wow, nicely done, Paul. Too bad Wile has no responses that aren't variants of "duhhhhhhhhh, lalala, can't hear you..."

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:51 PM EST
    Pleasantly surprised to see your support Mr.Hall. Considering your previous representations seems to be grounds of conflict for this. Welcome to the reality based community. Your work with the mena trail is intriguing... there's a name or two to run by you in that regards... Anyways, it's just a driveby posting. Your representation of Dumond had me suspiscious , post conviction. Both are part of the Arkansas Project. It appears you're a true believer in the right to representation for all. These two cases essentially run against your own political views. You respect the rights of all to the point that partisan prejudice plays no part in whose side you argue for in court. You are a rarity in the grounds of that.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:51 PM EST
    Mr.Hall, can you perhaps Lexus search the fiscal underwriting of these anti-Cindy protestors? You're close enough to their methods to 'follow the money'.

    Re: Pro Bush supporters in Crawford tell Sheehan ' (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:54 PM EST
    I hate to be the troll at the party, but does it bother any of you that Mother Sheehan is running around calling people who deliberately target children and other noncombatants freedom fighters?

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