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Posted on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 05:54:47 AM EST
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New Orleans police officers have experienced the same tragedy as the rest of the city's residents. Some have responded in heroic fashion. Others have quit.

Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "Go to hell -- it's every man for himself."

The Chief of the Louisiana State Police says New Orleans officers have told him that they don't want to risk their lives for looters. It is presumably that kind of sentiment that has led to talk of "shoot to kill." Some looters are opportunistic, to be sure, but many are just trying to get basic supplies from stores that are in no position to sell them what they need.

Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.

"I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there."

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    New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges | 52 comments (52 topical)
    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#1)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Where's that Patrick?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    et al - I would love to ask Debbie that, since she obviously ignored the commands to leave and chose to put herself in danger, why she thinks the police owe her anything in particular. After all, as a tourist she had money and resources. Tough Debbie. Next time pay attention.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    PPJ Perhaps the phrase "To protect and serve" is beyond your reading level ?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    PPJ Where does it state that Debbie Durso identified hersef to the officer as a tourist or requested special treatment on that basis ?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Snod - Nope, just noting that it isn't a one way street. This woman was a tourist. That she chose to stay is her business. Let the police help those to couldn't leave. I think it is called gene pool improvement.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#6)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Jim, Get some rest, your comments are way out of line

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    PPJ
    Let the police help those to couldn't leave.
    Perhaps so, but how does an officer determine that ?
    I think it is called gene pool improvement.
    Guess you are speaking from the shaloow end there !

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Roger - Sorry, but I don't think failing to show sympathy for someone who could have left, someone who was a tourist and didn't have a home, property, etc., to worry about can be considered out of line. Snod - Neither of us know what Debbie told the officier, and I'll agree that he should not have said that. Other than that, see my comment to Roger (above).

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#9)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    PPJ: Tourists were STUCK. They COULD NOT LEAVE. Flights were CANCELLED. Rental cars COULD NOT BE HAD. You make me sick.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#10)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    “Perhaps the phrase "To protect and serve" is beyond your reading level ?”
    New Orleans is a tough town; 10 time the national homicide rate. I bet this guy has risked his life every day of his career, probably for a crap salary. But that’s no enough, his home and family are riding the edge of catastrophe and you expect him to sacrifice more? Help some tourist go home to her intact town and home. Good lord. You know there were people flying into New Orleans as folks were evacuating. Tourists couldn’t drive in because of contraflow, but they could still fly in. Truly bizarre.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#11)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    PW, NO police are actually very highly paid

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    snodgrass is right,sad, but also remember that cops on the good old nre orlean P.D. Have been part of gangs as we all saw 10 years ago and many still maybe in some gang, also check out what people are saying around the world and how this new orleans crisis is now beinf used by people like bin laden and bush's best friend in the world the Red Chinese and how its being pictured in the third world and how much hate for the people of this country is coming out all over this good earth, so bush keep it up and why no attack from bin laden?..propaganda can kill in the right hands.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Oh yes this story was also on Moscow tv yesterday. and all over east and west europe and on chinese tv.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#14)
    by kipling on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Speaking of bizarre, how about this for conspiracy theory? And it is hard to disagree with this argument for the war against the common good. And after you've checked out these 8 points of failure, you might be willing to take a few lessons in disaster management from Cuba. God help those poor souls still stuck in New Orleans without clean water, food or shelter, coz clearly their government has no intention of helping.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Pig,
    ...and you expect him to sacrifice more?
    What was the officer expected to sacrifice exactly ? Again how could he identify that the member of the public asking for assistance was a tourist ?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#16)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Google "tourists stuck in New Orleans" and get a clue. They also chartered and paid for buses which were commandeered before they could get them.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#17)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Roger-
    "NO police are actually very highly paid"
    I’m sure it depends on where you live; my father doesn’t make much at all. According to their website NO recruits start around 28,000, which is certainly livable. I sure as he11 wouldn’t risk my life in that crime ridden city for that, would you? And is this enough to expect them to rise above all the other refugees and take on some sort of extraordinary responsibility? Snod-
    “What was the officer expected to sacrifice exactly ?”
    She was asking for some kind of assistance. I don’t know exactly what it was, but as they were all stuck in the same $hit hole I imagine it was likely something he could be doing for himself or his family. Finding shelter, water, food, a way out; almost anything of consequence she could have asked for also could have been used by him or his family. Or maybe she was just asking directions and the man is and a$$hole. Since it’s all speculation were free to project our own prejudices.
    “Again how could he identify that the member of the public asking for assistance was a tourist ?”
    I don’t know; maybe she told him she was and just wanted out, maybe she didn’t. Anyway, why does it matter? I think the point, as I have said above, is that folks are expecting refugees that were police officers before the disaster to rise up and assume some extraordinary responsibility and sacrifice. It seems unreasonable to me. I think this is just another opportunity to b!tch about the cops. Even Kitt is looking for ‘that Patrick’ to kick around a bit.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Pig,
    Since it’s all speculation were free to project our own prejudices.
    Precisely.
    I think this is just another opportunity to b!tch about the cops
    No argument there. In fact the whole thread seems pretty durn petty while the sh*t is hitting the fan.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#19)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:04 PM EST
    Kitt, I'm here. Did you need something? Roger, Depends on your definition of "very highly paid" I guess. A police officer IV (Which I assume is the highest you can go as an officer) makes $20,910 annually. The highest paid, a police major makes just over 35K annually. Very high indeed. Check for yourself

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Jim, not that tourists are at the top of my list of people to worry about right now, but I think it is inaccurate to say they could have left but they didn't. From what I understand, lots of tourists were trying to get flights out of N.O., but the airlines, ever conscious of their bottom lines, were cancelling flights saying no one was flying into N.O. so they would have to fly empty planes down there if they didn't cancel the flight. And then most tourists don't bother with rental cars, and I think their was a run on car rentals when the evacuation started and they ran out. A lot of tourists were really and truly stranded in N.O., not just dawdling behind. As someone who has travelled a lot, I can only imagine how terrified the tourists are in a place they is totally foreign to them (especially the international tourists). Also, I would think a tourist is a sort of obvious target if there are people running around robbing people, so I could imagine that a tourist might want police assistance.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#21)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Patrick, As you well know, the major financial perk is the off duty work that only cops are qualified for. With 3-4 days off a week (how it works here), many cops bring in about $100k a year. Also, you have never struck me as the kind of guy to cut and run when things are tough. How do you think his fellow officers feel about the cop who runs away?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#22)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    I have also seen court deputies return to road duty for the free car, insurance, gas, tolls, etc

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#23)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Harry Connick Jr and some others need a 'navigator-shotgunner' to bring in supplies (water, etc.). Ya up for the trip?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#24)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Patrick - Not really. I just couldn't see ya giving up your badge. It's like someone not understanding why the medical folks didn't leave. You can't LEAVE your patients! I would think it's the same with the police.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#25)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    “Google "tourists stuck in New Orleans" and get a clue.”
    One day before Katrina hit it was a category 5 hurricane sitting in the gulf on an almost direct course for New Orleans, and people were still getting on planes to go there. I saw an interview with a Scottish couple stuck on a rooftop in NO who landed the night Katrina hit. The woman said something about being told it would be OK, I don’t know by whom. We can all question and second guess their judgment, but it can’t possibly be as critical as the second guessing they are doing now. I can’t imagine how bad I would feel if I had taken my wife into NO the 28th or 29th. Check out this movie/map, good illustration.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    perks or not, I don't think the issue here is what they get paid. Everybody knows that public service doesn't pay. Cops, firefighters, teachers, prosecutors, public defenders...all grossly underpaid. But you can't cut and run in the middle of a crisis. Of course, the feeble federal response isn't helping things.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Over two years ago, I wrote a long piece titled, "The Opt Out Society: The GOP Threat to National Unity and the American Social Contract." Now, two years later, with New Orleans in ruins, hundreds dead and thousands more at risk, we see the willful neglect of the Bush administration and the morally bankrupt conservative public philosophy behind it in the clear light of day. Theirs is the Opt Out Society indeed. And in it, you are on your own... For the full story, see: "Compassionate Conservatism, RIP."

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#28)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Yeah, kind of like seeing the military quit en masse . They get paid so much for facing such little danger. I have seen Vietnam era pay stubs from guys in combat. They dont do it for the money. Honestly, I dont see Patrick turning in his badge if things got rough. How about it Pat, what do you personally think of this guy?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    To play devil's advocate, we don't know what kind of shape this cop's family is in. He may legitimately be worried about their survival, or his own. As sad as it is to say, there is a point when it truly becomes "every man for himself" I hope we don't reach that point. The majority of us; the good people, the charitable people; will always help our fellow man even in the most dire circumstances. It's possible this cop simply isn't one of those people.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#30)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    The most powerful government in the world cannot respond as it should with the immediacy it should because it is choosing not to. Why? My hunch is because this administration was hoping it wouldn't be so bad, so that their Iraq wet dreams could continue unhindered. Well, that's not possible now, and we are going to have to make a fast and major choice. We have the worst disaster in the history of this country occurring, and the funds needed are unprecedented (dwarfing 9/11 rebuilding), and we simply CANNOT, for any longer, toss money into the abyss of neo-con middle east fantasies. Bring the troops and the money home, so that THOSE AT HOME can be saved. How many resources are being squandered in overseas military debacles?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Also, as for the cops, I can only offer my experiences being in the middle of the L.A. riots more than a decade ago. Stuck in gridlock street traffic, trying to get the hell out, with looting and burning going on around me, it was more than apparent that i was on my own -- and I was scared out of my mind. We all were. Until help arrived. And that was small compared to this. The help and manpower needed are already far overdue. And I still don't hear the urgency from the federal government. I just don't hear it. WTF!!

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#32)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    I just received an email from a woman in Baton Rouge via my nephew in WI. She states that BR is in chaos with bands of gun toting men roaming the streets, hijacking cars and looting anything still standing. There's no gas to buy to leave. They were all shipped in from the NO evacuation. Minimal law enforcement. I called an old colleague in Houston to see if I should go there but she said stay away and donate money. If anyone is heading there from So Cal to aid the relief I would like to know as I am a medical practitioner and have my own costs covered and nothing to do this next week. If anyone in Houston or LA is reading this I would like suggestions on who to contact to assist.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#33)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    My god, you folks have got to listen to the Mayor Ray Nagin interview over at cnn.com . Here is the transcript.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    PPJakaOneNeuron the Eugenicist drivelled:
    I think it is called gene pool improvement.
    PPJakaOneNeuron, the Compassionate Conservative, has also repeatedly blamed the largely desperately poor people of New Orleans for not evacuating the city. Most of those people didn't have cars or any means of transportation. Fact: car ownership among New Orleans residents is lower than that of New York City residents. I leave it to the reader to connect PPJakaOneNeuron the Eugenicist, with PPJakaOneNeuron the Compassionate Conservative. On second thought, I'll spell it out for the reader: given the demographics of those who couldn't get out, PPJakaOneNeuron's remarks could fairly be called profoundly racist.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    PWIG, read the transcript from the mayor. Wow. The "rule book" needs to be thrown out the window, and the full might of the feds need to get to work saving lives. For once, they can use that might for good, and they are not. I'm beginning to wonder if the lack of response is because those suffering are almost all poor working class and black. I don't want to believe that, but I'm beginning to wonder. If Wall St. or the Capitol was under water, would the response be the same?

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Shortwave - No name calling, or else I might have to say something like, "ShortwaveShortonBrainPower," or something equally stupid. You might want to note that the comment was about a tourist, and the "Gene Pool Improvement" was non-specific, just a sarcastic comment about dumb behavior in general. aw - The airport was not closed last Friday and Saturday. Bus lines were running. Trains were running. There may been rental cars. Plus, neither of us know if she had driven down in her own car. Millions do, you know. JB - See above pigwiggle - Thanks. None of the others remember 9 days ago. BTW - Airlines aren't allowed to cancel flights because they don't have passengers. If they do they can be fined and lose the route, so maybe someone can provide some proof???

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    "I think it is called gene pool improvement." When will black tourists from Michigan ever realize that they are a drain on the gene pool? Donald says that "looting happens." That's what free people do. So, in order to bail their VACATIONING LORD out, they blame the hurricane disaster relief FAILURE on: 1) Gays. 2) Tourists. 3) Looters. 4) New Orleans -- since who was so STUPID as to put a city at the mouth of the Mississippi? 5) Michael Moore. 6) Cindy Sheehan. 7) New Yorkers -- since they are cowards. 8) The low pay of cops. 9) Failure to initiate Estate Planning (FEMA director's only expertise) soon enough. Well, that's very clarifying. One question: Abu Louisiana is a torture cell from one end to the other. When do Abu Illinois and Abu Idaho open? We need more prisons. Don't forget: Shoot To Kill! The only good Louisianan is a dead Louisianan. Who do those TOURISTS think they are, Hajis? Going from place to place as if there was a free government watching out for them? Just because Saddam Hussein was caught holed up in his Crawford Spider Hole, doesn't mean that the tyranny is over.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Also, it's good to see that your intolerance and hatred for humanity isn't limited to Arabs. I'm sure they feel much better now. Btw, why hasn't Bush noticed that HIS TOTAL FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP is "emboldening Osama Bin Laden"? You'd think he was in a ditch.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#39)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Thank you, Paul in LA.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    It's everyone for themselves. That's the new/old motto of the U.S. The government just drowned in the New Orleans bathtub. Just like Grover Norquist and all the Bush sponsors wanted. Welcome to Haiti/Honduras everyone.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Let all the black dems drown and starve so PPJ Pig etal can start getting back the ameruka they paid for, oh tourists too, probally commie spies. Chimp King has a disaster on his hands. After all the tough talk about the enemy and what they would think if we showed any weakness over in Ayraq by withdrawing, he must be very worried about the Internationally televised image of a pathetic and utter defenselessness ameruka in the wake of the NO disaster. China, Osama, Commies, even Venezuela could take over our country now. Mental gIant Chimp King has shown the world how prepared american defense is today . Bring em on. Maybe the Chinese can do a better job then our chimp when they take over.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Squeaky - Sorry Squeak, since you have posted on this blog that people should be judged by their genetic makeup, framily and social position, you a deemed not qualified to discuss racism issues. PIL and Ernie - A few moments ago I commented that I could not figure out which of you was the least rational. I declare PIL the winner by half a rant. You guys shouldn't rest though. Squeak is close behind.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#43)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    Roger, Can't say for sure. I think I know what I would do. I would make sure my family was safe, then go to work. As a supervisor, I would make sure the people who worked for me got their families taken care of then I'd have them go to work. As for the officers turning in their badges, well, it's an all volunteer force, just so long as they understand the consequences of their actions and don't expect their jobs back, you almost have to support them. The interesting part of all the criticisms is that none of the people making all these claims has ever experienced anything like what the people on the gulf coast are going through. My guess is it's the most boisterous have the least experience, and therefore are probably the least qualified to criticize.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#44)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    PPJ: The rest of the country is waking up. You will soon find yourself in an ever shrinking minority of Bush apologists. When you speak among people like you do here, they will shudder and turn away from your repulsiveness and know that your heart is no bigger than a dried pea.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:06 PM EST
    aw - You know, we need to work on some things. Many are not even obvious to the average blogger. We might want to look at what happens in a world of Just In Time - JIT - inventory deliveries when we destroy a city sized stock pile of finished good inventories, and look around for immediate replacements... But you don't want to talk about how to fix problems, you just want to sell hatred for Bush. Sad, so sad. And so typical. Why? Because when the crying is over, food must be provided. It isn't as the Left famously said in the 70's "is."

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:06 PM EST
    I agree completely with Jim. We do need to work on some things. Like how we are going to survive until January 2008 under George W. Bush's utterly incompetent presidency. And again, Jim is right. How to do this is far from obvious to the average blogger.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:06 PM EST
    How to fix problems? RESTORE OUR DEMOCRACY. "What is wrong about America can be fixed by what is right about America." -- President Bill Clinton. An oligarch who takes more vacation time than anyone in history -- a vacation A MONTH -- is not good government. A FEMA chief who has ZERO experience in disaster management -- is not good government. A TRILLION DOLLAR disaster in the Middle East, with no end in sight -- is not good government. Jim, a racist, suggesting that family members have no traits in common -- HILARIOUS. You're never going to find out what you don't want to know, Jim. Really -- you're pathetic. Putting tinfoil-wrapped wooden nickels in your mental fuse box wasn't a good idea.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#49)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:06 PM EST
    PPJ-Gosh, your skeletons sure have been rattling lately. Creative? Nah, you're just a liar with a one note on his saw who is infatuated by its monotonous drone. Rove is unfortunately creative, I guess he is from a different branch of the family. You wish, wannabe.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:06 PM EST
    DA - I'll speak for me, and you can speak for you. Why do you ask? BTW - Why did you take an out of context quote from another thread? What is the matter? Can't keep up? Or just being your usual snarky self? Che - I missed your offer this AM. My sincere admiration. We may disagree on the war, but you are walking the walk. Squeaky - You keep on talking about skeltons rattling. Do you have a fixation on Haloween and "Fun" Houses? As for who said what.. You, dearest Squeak, are on record. And please. The issue isn't that family members may resemble each other, but that the racists of the world want to judge them on color, family and social position. That was your position re Rove, remember? PIL - If you can still focus, read my comment to Squeak. tristero - Typical. Everything is politics. Everything is about power. Nothing is about fixing something.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#52)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:07 PM EST
    On the contrary, Jim, you were suggesting that there could be no expectation of family influence on children. That's hilarious. For the experts in Life on Earth, you lot sure don't understand how the basics work. You generalize about whole billion person plus cultures as if they were a single, guilty person who inherently practices every line of the Koran. And then you believe that families don't breed characteristics in their children. The cultures can be genocided at will -- that's war, and war is profitable. But to call a sociopathic evil SONOFAB*TCH like Karl Rove -- a known traitor -- a reflection on his class, no that's just going too far. You better be as stupid as you claim, because you are abetting (and propagandizing for) treason for pigs who couldn't care less about their country. Their class is EVERYTHING.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    DA - So, as usual, when you get caught in a mistake or an actual attempt to be devious, and when challenged you come up with an excuse.

    Re: New Orleans Officers Surrender Badges (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    PPJ-your Rove smear technique is not working here. Save it for when I run for office. Then you can strain your brain to come up with some fabricated quotes or some new innuendo. Funny to hear you calling people racists or schoolyard bullies and your bit about gene pool improvements. A bit like Father Ritter ranting about how gays going to burn in hell. Or Limbaugh's rant proposing zero tolerance for for scum bag drug addicts.

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