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There is No Justice at Guantanamo

Of all the articles and columns I have read in recent days about the injustice of stripping the right of detainees to access to our courts to challenge the legality of their detention, this is my favorite.

It is written by two Denver civil rights lawyers with clients at Guantanamo. When reading it for quotes, I couldn't pick just a few. Every paragraph should be read.

To get the flavor, start with this:

Four years later, many just want to die. They starve themselves for long periods of time and attempt bloody suicides. The government responds by forcing tubes down their throats. People are trying to kill themselves to get out of custody, because they have no legal recourse. "They won't let us live, but they won't let us die," one of our clients explained.

Who are the lawyers who write these columns and who represent the Guantanamo inmates free of charge?

In representing these prisoners, we have joined a growing volunteer force of outraged attorneys who come from small and large firms across America. The group includes death penalty and amnesty lawyers, plaintiff and defense lawyers, bankruptcy and corporate lawyers. It even includes advocates for retired generals and admirals, all working for free.

Coordinating this effort is the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York. The goal of all involved is to preserve the most basic components of our Constitution, including the right to be charged with a crime as a condition of being held; the right to have those charges speedily determined; the right to hearings before impartial judges; the right to counsel; the right to confront one's accusers; the right to have access to all case evidence; the right not to have evidence extracted under torture used against you; and the right to be free from torture under the Geneva Conventions.

Last year the Supreme Court decided in Rasul v. Bush that the Guantanamo detainees must be allowed to challenge an executive order declaring them to be enemy combatents.

Almost a year and a half after the Rasul ruling, not a single one of the more than 500 men and boys still held in abysmal conditions of confinement in Guantánamo has seen the inside of a U.S. district courthouse....The litigation strategy of the government is to prevent hearings on the merits through innumerable delaying challenges aimed at denying these prisoners any access to justice for as long as the president says the "war on terror" is continuing.

It was Sandra Day O'Connor who wrote in 2004:

"a state of war is not a blank check for the president." The president is not free as commander in chief to "turn our system of checks and balances on its head." Even Justice Antonin Scalia, in a dissenting message to the president, added that "if civil rights are to be curtailed during wartime, it must be done openly and democratically."

I wonder how Judge Alito would rule on this issue. It's something I hope Senators will ask him at his confirmation hearing. As the column's authors say:

The writ of habeas corpus is supposed to be a rocket vehicle for justice, ensuring that no one is long imprisoned without good cause being shown. Many of these prisoners are entering their fourth year of confinement without any due process.

....The logic of placing these prisoners on the edge of the American consciousness, just south of Florida, is to reassure us by their presence that somewhere, there are shackled men in small cells wearing orange and fitting our stereotypes. Their function is to be far enough away so that no one regularly thinks of the abuses they are suffering but close enough to make us feel safe - like the president and the government are doing something about terrorism. So we leave them there, suffering at the hands of frustrated interrogators and guards, an incomprehensible policy and an administration that seems to ignore the core values of constitutional peoples.

How hypocritical of George Bush to declare after Scooter Libby's indictment that he is "presumed innocent and entitled to due process" while he advocates denying the same rights to detainees.

Conservatives like to remind us of the Federalist Papers. Here's what Alexander Hamilton had to say about habeas corpus:

In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton extolled the writ of habeas corpus, along with the prohibition of ex-post-facto laws, as among the "great securities to liberty and republicanism."

As the authors of the cited article write, "Justice delayed is justice denied. This must stop now."

Lindsay Grahams' amendment must be defeated. John McCain is no hero for supporting it. Call your Senators today and tell them to insist the Bingaman Amendment be approved. An action page with details is here.

If we deny habeas for detaineess today, we will be denying it for ourselves tomorrow. Please do your part to save the great writ of habeas corpus.

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    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:05 PM EST
    To remove the protections garnered by the "Writ of Habeas Corpus" from the prisoners being held at Guantanamo Naval Base is one of the most dangerous changes yet to our Constitution. This "Law" would apply to anyone including American Citizens in view of the Supreme Court Ruling to that affect. To allow the Executive Branch to make this designation of who can be deemed an "Enemy Combatbant" without Judicial or Legislative oversight simply opens the door for the creation of a Fascist Police State. Every time we allow the Government to alter or revoke one of our "Guarenteed Rights" under the Constitution, we destroy a little bit more of those very Freedoms we are supposed to be protecting.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#2)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:05 PM EST
    Why are they locked up forever? Because they're terrorists. Where's your evidence? Shut up. No, seriously, why should we trust you? You wanna get waterboarded? If this is the mindset of the side that loves freedom, I'd hate to see the reverse...

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:05 PM EST
    et al - Essentially these are POW's, although they don't meet the qualification of being covered under the GC. They have been given hearings:
    So as of this morning, we have conducted 507 CSRT tribunals. So we've had hearings for 507 tribunals or for 507 detainees as of this morning.
    As detailed here. Now, most of you don't regard tribunals as proper. I do. And I think the SC agreed with position during WWII. The interesting thing to me is what do you do with US citizens. For them I believe they should be tried in a regular US court, with all that entails. I would add though, that the charges should include giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and if found guilty the punishment should be death.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:06 PM EST
    Now, most of you don't regard tribunals as proper. I do. Just curious, but on what basis? Have you attended any?

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:06 PM EST
    ppj-perhaps you can offer your services as executioner, can't be to old for that.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#6)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:06 PM EST
    Once again TL is exemplary in its coverage of this issue. In addition to the Denver Post article, I would recommend a blog Obsidian Wings that TL also previously linked to. They do a masterful job of demolishing the Graham amendment piece by piece. I would like to challenge those apologists for the Graham admendment to answer the arguements, point for point, that Obsidian Wings raises.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#7)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    How can any system be fair if you are denied the right to challenge the legality of your detention?

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    John Horse, Gee, if everyone thought that way there'd be no Kafka!

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#9)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    I would add though, that the charges should include giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and if found guilty the punishment should be death. Would that apply to the Bush administration for acting as cut-outs to accomplish the foreign policy goals of Iran by destabilizing Iraq? Or don't you consider Iran an "enemy?"

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    How many more Guantanamos are there that we do not yet know of? And here's a more ominous question: If the CIA is as out-of-control as it certainly seems to be, who's to say that they don't have some of their super-secret prisons right here in mainland Amerika? I mean, come on, their hubris knows no bounds, so what's to stop them from doing it (other than the outside chance of getting caught doing it that is)?

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    I would add though, that the charges should include giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and if found guilty the punishment should be death.
    Careful what you wish for, Audie Murphy. You could easily be convicted of doing just that by continuously citing all the reasons you are unable to go fight in a war that you support. In fact, you have scattered self-incriminating evidence all over this place like so many horse droppings. Nothing emboldens the enemy more than realizing that only chickenhawks support the war.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    Repack – Your rhetorical hate for Bush question can be answered by another question. What is wrong with trying US citizens for being traitors and issuing the death penalty? Do you think it acceptable for citizens to betray their country? And remember, I specified a full up standard US trial/US CJ system. As for none citizens, the tribunals have released as well as imprisoned.
    Citing a memo prepared for him by his staff, Hunter proceeded to discuss some of the at least 10 detainees who have been released from Guantanamo Bay, or Gitmo, only to re-join the fight against the U.S. coalition bringing democracy to Afghanistan. Among the names listed in the memo is Mohammed Yusif Yaqeb (search), also known as Mullah Shazada. Yaqeb was released in May 2003. He proceeded to become the head of Taliban (search) operations in southern Afghanistan and was killed one year later in a fight with U.S. forces. Also named is Maulavi Abdul Ghaffar (search), released in 2002 and returned to Afghanistan. As a regional commander, Ghaffar helped carry out attacks on U.S. troops in Afghanistan until he was killed by Afghan forces in September 2004.
    Some of those released have returned to past activities. i.e. Trying to US and other non-terrorist troops/people. As noted in this DOD link as of late December 2004, 507 detainees had received tribunals, and:
    SEC. ENGLAND: Well, there's been over 200 detainees released from Guantanamo, so to date there's been over 200. One has been released as part of this process, one more will be released that we know of, and there could be more. I mean, we still have -- again, only 230 cases have been reviewed of the 507 hearings, so there could indeed be more that will be released. But this will be the second through this process, but in total about -- over 200 have been released from Guantanamo.
    So I note again, the process is hardly one sided. In fact, in this group about 10% of those released have been terrorists. Have there been innocent people picked up? Most likely. Hopefully they have been, or will be, released. If they are not, then that is regrettable. However, it would be useful to remember that we are there because of activities of terrorists. Religious fanatics and stone cold killers. How about blaming the cause of the disease rather than those trying to contain and cure it?

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    ernie writes:
    Careful what you wish for, Audie Murphy. You could easily be convicted of doing just that by continuously citing all the reasons you are unable to go fight in a war that you support.
    First, thank you for referring to me as Audie Murphy. He was a great patriot. But I could not even carry his ammunition. And I think you would shrink away like the Wicked Witch of the West should he turn his gaze on you. And, as usual, you misstate. You have said you wouldn’t fight. I have merely noted that I served a little over 10 years in Naval Aviation, and that the military doesn’t want a wore out old man. It is, in fact, time for the younger generation to defend our country. But rest assured, ernie, if I am called to serve and help protect you, and others such as you, my answer will be a simple. “I am honored. Where and when do I report?”

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    What is wrong with trying US citizens for being traitors and issuing the death penalty? Do you think it acceptable for citizens to betray their country? And remember, I specified a full up standard US trial/US CJ system. Under the dictates of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and recent Supreme Court Rulings, American citizens would not be eligible for Trial under Any Court System but Military Tribunals. These Tribunals make a mockery out of Justice by refusing to allow even the most rudimentary of Legal Protections. As for none citizens, the tribunals have released as well as imprisoned. Even the Military admits that most of the prisoners being held at Guantanamo Naval Base are innocent but yet they are still being held 4 years later.
    According to Military Officials, Most of the Prisoners in Guantánamo Are Innocent and Should Not Be Detained • The military admits that it has been detaining innocent civilians at Guantánamo for nearly four years - these men have never received a fair opportunity to raise their claims that they are unjustly imprisoned. • In Oct. 2004, the deputy commander of Guantánamo, Gen. Martin Lucenti, commented that: "Most of these guys weren't fighting. They were running." • In January 2005, the Wall Street Journal reported: "American commanders acknowledge that many prisoners shouldn't have been locked up here in the first place because they weren't dangerous and didn't know anything of value. 'Sometimes, we just didn't get the right folks,' says Brg. Gen. Jay Hood, Guantánamo current commander."
    So I note again, the process is hardly one sided. In fact, in this group about 10% of those released have been terrorists.
    The CSRTs Are Sham Proceedings That Fail to Provide Minimal Due Process Protections • The CSRTs rely in large part upon secret evidence the prisoners could not rebut. • The CSRTs also relied upon evidence obtained by torture or coercion. * Ex.: Moazzam Begg, a British citizen released from Guantánamo, was imprisoned based upon confusion about his identity. He was kidnapped from his home in Pakistan in the presence of his wife and children, and transferred to U.S. detention in Bagram. He was subjected to beatings, sexual humiliation, and death threats in Bagram for a year before the military extracted a false confession from him. These statements were used to support his CSRTs "enemy combatant" finding. • The prisoners were tried without attorneys. • The prisoners did not see the evidence against them and had no opportunity to respond to it. • The CSRTs applied an overly-broad definition of "enemy combatant" that permitted the ongoing detention of an individual for unknowing or unintentional connections to Al Qaeda - including, as the government conceded in court, "a little old lady in Switzerland" who makes a contribution to what she thinks is a legitimate children's charity but unbeknownst to her sends some money to Al Qaeda. • Even if future CSRTs prohibit statements obtained by torture, the tribunals still rely upon secret evidence, prohibit legal counsel, and apply a dangerously broad definition of enemy combtant.
    However, it would be useful to remember that we are there because of activities of terrorists. Religious fanatics and stone cold killers. How about blaming the cause of the disease rather than those trying to contain and cure it? We are there because of the Treasonous Lies and Mis-Information fed to us by the Bush Administration. If we truly wanted to "Punish" a Country for providing "Aid & Comfort" to Terrorists It would seem prudent to punish Saudi Arabia; where most of the Hijackers came from; not Iraq who was a sworn enemy of al Qaeda due to religious differences. I believe that most if not all Americans would answer the "Call To Arms" if the United States were truly in danger but that is not the case with Iraq and never has been.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    PBJ, why don't you get your daughters and grandson to go with you to the nearest college campus and recruit students to join the military to support our noble campaign to bring democracy and justice to the ME? You can still serve your country without having to go to Iraq, you know.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    red - I was stating my preference, not legal facts. i.e. Try US citizens under our CJ system, detainees get tribunals. You write:
    We are there because of the Treasonous Lies and Mis-Information fed to us by the Bush Administration.
    Your comment has been proven inaccurate, and since you push it, it becomes a lie itself. I could provide link after link demonstrating this, but this one sums it up very nicely. You write:
    I believe that most if not all Americans would answer the "Call To Arms" if the United States were truly in danger but that is not the case with Iraq and never has been.
    The problem is, Red, that we are not allowed the luxury of picking our fights. We live in a constitutional republic. Our elected representatibes decide our wars. That includes this one. And it includes those democrats who now despicably make fales claims. Shame on them. Darkly - I have high hopes that they serve. And if asked by any recruiter I would be happy to help.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    "We live in a constitutional republic. Our elected representatibes decide our wars." Too bad Bush wasn't elected. Nor did the Congress give him the go ahead to go to war. Nor was he telling the truth when he told the Congress that he hadn't decided to go to war, when in fact he had. Lie to Congress? Get impeached. Unless your fellow coup-members of the Rightwing party are covering for you. "When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong bipartisan support." -- GWB, LYING a week ago. He told them at the time that regime change, that war itself, was NOT the policy. He just can't remember which lie he told when.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    PIL - Where do you go when Children's Hour is over?

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#19)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    Jim, For our entire history, we have had one justice system, where all are equal before the law. Traitors should be tried, so should terrorists. Both are currently eligible for the death penalty. "One nation.....with liberty and JUSTICE for all"

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    Paulie... GWB, LYING a week ago. I'll ask you once again... Try answering instead of calling me a liar.... Where are all the Dems...on TV...with press conferences... denouncing what GW said and showing the public their "proof" that they were hornswaggled???? I'm waiting.... And another question you refused to answer.... Where are all of you libs calling for their heads for being so stupid as to fall for this supposed trap set by (what all you think is) the dumbest guy on the planet? Hummmm? Handed you your ass again didn't I???

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    Calling you a liar and answering are not mutually exclusive. "Where are all the Dems...on TV...with press conferences... denouncing what GW said and showing the public their "proof" that they were hornswaggled???? I'm waiting...." You're waiting? John Kerry made it VERY clear in 2004 that Bush had violated his promise to the Senate that he would return IF he decided to engage an invasion, and indeed, he was required by the UN and the Resolution to seek a seond UNSC ruling before proceeding. But by that time he was ALREADY lying, and he made Colin Powell lie also -- that war wasn't already the chosen path, that regime change wasn't the policy, when in fact it was. Hussein offered to go into exile, but the US refused. So regime change doesn't fit the case, either, since the policy quite obviously is to dismantle the country in favor of permanent airbases and three territories. John Kerry also outed this permanent airbases scheme in the first debate, while he was handing GWB his arse. Surely you remember, unless you need to lie more than you need a memory.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    Jim, for some reason referencing his favorite lesbian movie, apparently for this line: Stop it Martha! Stop this crazy talk!
    Martha: There's always been something wrong. Always, just as long as I can remember. But I never knew what it was until all this happened. Karen: Stop it Martha! Stop this crazy talk! Martha: You're afraid of hearing it, but I'm more afraid that you. Karen: I won't listen to you! The Children's Hour (1961)
    Don't panic, Jim -- the closet door isn't that heavy.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#23)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:09 PM EST
    GWB, LYING a week ago.I'll ask you once again... Try answering instead of calling me a liar....
    Uhh, you never respond to facts, persist in lying, so you are a liar. Please, please ask me for links about you lying, and GWB lying. I'll only respond on an open thread, because THIS thread is about the lack of justice at gitmo, not you.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:10 PM EST
    PPJ...when I was in the military the term "Audie Murphy" was sarcastically applied to make believe heroes like you. As for a wore out old man, I know of several grandfathers that are in the National Guard that have done more than one tour in Iraq. Ergo, you are more of an old weasel or worm than you are an old man. More weasel words...
    if I am called to serve and help protect you, and others such as you, my answer will be a simple. “I am honored. Where and when do I report?”
    And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle (to quote another colorful military saying). There should now be enough evidence of you emboldening the enemy to hang you two or three times. Keep it coming, oh traitorous one.

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:10 PM EST
    Sailor.... Please, please ask me for links about you lying, and GWB lying. Consider yourself asked! There are reems of info proving GW didn't lie and all those dems claiming they were fooled are indeed fools. I'll ask you (nobody else seems to want to anser) ...where are all you calling for those idiots heads? BTW...you people on the left really need to consult a dictionary before you blatently call people liars... Repeating something you believe to be true...that maybe then turns out to be false...means you are mistaken...not a liar. All your other claims kinda fall on their face if you can't get this simple FACT straight!

    Re: There is No Justice at Guantanamo (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:10 PM EST
    La LA Paul.. John Kerry made it VERY clear in 2004 that Bush had violated his promise Nice try.... I'll ask again... where are all the Dems NOW....(after Bush's speach last week) proving they were fooled? Try answering the question instead of going off on one of your patented rants!