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Nation Building Gone Bad

by TChris

The president had it right before he became president, when (in a debate with Al Gore) he criticized the use of troops "for what's called nation building." Here's what the president's exercise in nation building has wrought (choose your headline):

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Juan Cole (not a headline, just a fact): "The threat of terrorism and attacks on Americans just went way up."

[Update: The permalink and comments to this post are off for some reason. Just so you know if you get a blank screen.]

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    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#1)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:04:53 PM EST
    The UK Independent Online puts the destruction of 1,200 year old Golden Mosque in Samarra into very clear historical, social, political, and religious perspective:
    The bomb attack has enraged the majority Shia population, who regard the shrine in the same way that Roman Catholics view St Peter's in Rome. ... "Iraq is in a Weimar period like Germany in the 1920s which will either end with the country disintegrating or in an authoritarian government taking power," said Ghassan Atiyyah, an Iraqi political commentator. ... The destruction of the Golden Mosque will be an immense psychological blow to Iraqi Shia who have endured so much down the centuries. The shrine contains the tombs of the 10th and 11th imams, Ali al-Hadi who died AD868 and his son Hassan Ali al-Askari who died AD874. His son, the last of the 12 Shia imams, Mohammed al-Mahdi, disappeared and is known as the "hidden imam". Shias believe he is still alive and will bring justice to humanity. ... There are signs of increasing anti-American feeling among the Shia as they see the Americans allying themselves with the Sunni. ... The extent of Shia retaliation may also depend on the Iranian government... Ayatollah Khamenei blamed the intelligence services of the US and Israel for being behind the bombs in Samarra.


    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#2)
    by scarshapedstar on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 07:01:31 PM EST
    for what's called nation building.
    Isn't it kind of strange how a "man of the people" -- in stark contrast to the effete elitist John Kerry -- engages in the lamest condescension ever?

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#3)
    by Sailor on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 08:28:03 PM EST
    Gee, they had that 'pottery barn' rule, yet once they don't agree with the 'democracy' they founded at the point of a gun, they threaten to withdraw their financial support. OR Well at least they are consistent, make sweeping claims and speeches, but never folloow thru or fund them. OR You f@#!ed up! You trusted us!

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 08:54:34 PM EST
    et al - In other news, Henny Penny reports that the sky is falling. Details at 11.

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#5)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:13:55 PM EST
    Jim, it's official (again).

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#6)
    by john horse on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 03:45:10 AM EST
    Surely this is the best of all possible worlds. (satire alert)

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 05:50:07 AM EST
    Che - Can't stand a little sarcasm, eh?

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 06:20:59 AM EST
    It'll be 100 years before we live this one down..if ever. So many lives lost, so little gained.

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#9)
    by desertswine on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 07:33:34 AM EST
    Iraq Spirals Toward Civil Conflict
    So who didn't predict this... Oh yeah.

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 07:50:07 AM EST
    The neoconvics did set out to change the middle east didn't they. Well looks like they got what they wished for. If I were an Iraqi I would consider this my 9/11. Buckle up everybody Bushbag&Co has us in for one hell of a ride.

    Re: Nation Building Gone Bad (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 10:09:10 AM EST
    I don't think there is any shock that one side did it to the other side. It had to happen and will happen again. The issue will be managing the results without becoming a very repressive secular society as in under Saddam or a very repressive society as in under Imam "X."
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