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Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S.

Update: Saturday, tens of thousands marched in L.A. Firedoglake has more on the protests.

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10,000 in Phoenix along with thousands in Los Angeles and Atlanta rallied today against Congress' proposed anti-immigrant bills:

Congress is considering bills that would make it a felony to be illegally in the United States, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border. The proposals have angered many Hispanics. In Phoenix, police said 10,000 demonstrators marched to the office of Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, co-sponsor of a bill that would give illegal immigrants up to five years to leave the country. The turnout clogged a major thoroughfare.

"They're here for the American Dream," said Malissa Greer, 29, who joined a crowd estimated by police to be at least 10,000 strong. "God created all of us. He's not a God of the United States, he's a God of the world."

TalkLeft supports their efforts and opposes every one of these un-American, anti-immigrant bills. Details on H.R. 4437, The Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005, are here. The ACLU's synopsis is here.

On Monday, March 27, the Senate Judiciary Committee will continue debate on the bills. Please tell your Senators to reject H.R. 4437.

H.R. 4437 would send a chill through our communities and compromise our economy, but it would do nothing to make us more secure. Instead of targeting those who mean us harm, it would expand the definition of alien smuggling to criminalize the work of social service organizations, refugee agencies, churches, attorneys, and other groups that counsel undocumented immigrants. Additionally, H.R. 4437 would make presence in the United States without valid immigration status a criminal violation, rather than a civil one, essentially rendering every violation of status--however minor, technical, or unintentional--a federal crime.

The bill would also strip the courts of much of their remaining jurisdiction over immigration matters; gut the due process rights of aliens and permanent residents; expand expedited removal; expand the definition of "aggravated felony"; create new grounds of deportability and inadmissibility; increase mandatory detention; militarize the border; and place limitations on eligibility for naturalization. Rather than fixing our broken immigration system, these punitive measures would serve only to drive undocumented immigrants further into the shadows.

What we need instead:

To gain control of our borders and truly guarantee our security, we must implement a comprehensive approach to immigration reform that will address the 11 million people living here without papers. The vast majority of these undocumented immigrants are law-abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and contribute to our society. By allowing these people an opportunity to come out of the shadows, register with the government, pay a hefty fine, go through the security check process, and earn the privilege of legal status, we can restore the rule of law in our workplaces and communities and focus our enforcement resources on those who mean us harm.

Besides providing a path to citizenship with reasonable requirements for those who are already here, a realistic, comprehensive approach to immigration reform must include an effective guest worker program that would match willing workers with willing employers. It must also reunite close family members, some of whom have been separated for twenty years. Finally, comprehensive immigration reform must implement a smart border security regime so that we know who is coming into our country. Such reform would facilitate the cross-border flow of people and goods that is essential to our economy. A vibrant economy, in turn, is essential to fund our security needs.

Let's not repeat our past failed enforcement efforts:

We have spent the last 20 years tightening immigration enforcement, but it hasn't worked. Until our immigration laws are in sync with our economic realities and provide a safe, legal, and orderly way for migrants to enter our country to work and reunite with family, and for those who are here to come out of the shadows and become integrated with society, we cannot hope to gain control of our broken immigration system.

More on today's rallies here, which puts the number of protesters in Phoenix at 20,000. In Chicago two weeks ago, over 100,000 turned out.

The New York Times today reports on some other bad bills.

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    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 11:04:51 PM EST
    ok, you nearly had me there, just for a moment. that moment passed when you cited, as a viable immigration reform goal, a "guest worker" program. i am surprised that you, of all people, would laud what is, in economic reality, the "employer's cheap labor act". at roughly 300 million people, the U.S. has more than a sufficient labor pool to meet the "demands" of pretty much any industry. the "guest worker" program has nothing to do with filling needed slots, and everything to do with keeping labor costs arificially low, for the employer. were the adam smith rules of economics applied here, employer's would raise their rate of pay, to find willing citizens to fill those jobs. the "guest worker" program is economic artifice, serving no actual useful purpose for the average U.S. citizen, but filling the coffers of coporations, whose profits have exploded in the past ten years. in certain industries, this explosion in E&P is the direct result of needlessly imported cheap labor. exactly how this "helps" either our citizens, who suffer from the depressed value of their own labor, and the cheap labor "guest workers", is a mystery to me. perhaps, you would care to elaborate on this theme. show me i'm wrong. i'm not.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 12:05:46 AM EST
    There are good and bad guest worker proposals. The one AILA is recommending (pdf) is:
    A "break-the-mold" program would provide visas, full labor rights, and the ability to change jobs and a path to permanent residence over time for those who would not displace U.S. workers. It also would diminish significantly illegal immigration by creating a legal avenue for people to enter the U.S. and return, as many wish, to their countries, communities, and families.
    See, Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005 (S. 1033/H.R. 2330). Detailshere.
    "Nevertheless, we recognize that, as an alternative to undocumented migration, an efficient legal pathway must be established which protects the basic labor rights of foreign-born workers. In order to prevent future abuse of workers, any new temporary worker program must afford Mexican and other foreign workers wage levels and employment benefits that are sufficient to support a family in dignity; must include worker protections and job portability that U.S. workers have; must allow for family unity; must employ labor-market tests to ensure that U.S. workers are protected; and must grant workers the ability to move easily and securely between the United States and their homelands. It must employ strong enforcement mechanisms to protect worker's rights and give workers the option to become lawful permanent residents after a specific amount of time." (Strangers No Longer, no. 75)
    More here

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Johnny on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 12:21:07 AM EST
    So will hiring an illegal immigrant be a felony?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 01:06:51 AM EST
    for those who would not displace U.S. workers.
    Now that's just funny.
    must employ labor-market tests to ensure that U.S. workers are protected;
    The problem is this would make the 11 million illegal aliens ("undocumented immigrants" is an oxymoron) already here ineligible. There already exists a process that allows immigrants to fill hard to fill jobs in the U.S. Of course, some people say this system is already too easy and displaces American workers. Do we really need to create another system that has this same requirement and the same problems?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 03:52:41 AM EST
    On the subject of whether US workers are being displaced or not, I have this to say. If you shun competition, you will only become less competitive. Even if you do not allow foreign workers to come here, workers in other countries can still get the jobs. The jobs are simply shipped overseas. And can you stop that? If you do, American companies will not be able to compete with foreign companies. The competition is there around the world, whether it is in America or not.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 04:35:46 AM EST
    I don't see what all the "anger" is about. The bill only affects people that are here illegally--people that didn't go to the consulate and get a visa. Should they be allowed to get a visa? Well, maybe, but that's another question entirely.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 06:10:38 AM EST
    One of the major sticking points with this legislation is that it would make a felon of anyone helping an illegal immigrant. This includes all the people at the Salvation Army or St. Vincent de Paul stores or soup kitchens or free clinics. I suppose it would also make a felon of the nice little old ladies who read kids books to the migrant workers in the summer if there happens to be an illegal alien in the group. For all the Republican party is about spouting "God's work", they are quick to make it a felony to clothe the naked and feed the hungry. We have a local nun who has been recognized for her good work in taking care of the disadvantaged in our area. This bill would get her arrested immediately. I don't think that's unintended.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 06:13:33 AM EST
    I'm sorry. I am as liberal as the next guy and have never voted for a Republican thing in my life but the immigration is not a red blue matter. The business community is very much in favor of "guest worker" programs becasue they can legally hire non-US workers that will work for less. A way of "Offshoring" jobs in the USA. That fact strikes most people as wrong and unAmerican. I for one do not subscribe to businesses' claim that cheaper labor keeps prices down. I am in favor of criminal charges against those who hire workers that are not in the US legally. It is really simple to check anyone's SSN for $1.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 06:48:20 AM EST
    Since the right has exhausted it anti Gay marriage and lost it's American fear of Arab/muslim Terrist meme it is now the Illegalbrown Immigrants turn. We seem to be such suckers for the "OH my God watch out the evil Law breaking Boogie man" Squeal by the right. If you remember way back when Millions of Americans were Law Breakers during Prohibition. The simple truth is this is a phoney issue. Just because some Racist Politician labels these innocent people ILLEGAL we get all bent out of shape. If we take a breath, sit down, relax and view this as a matter of working with our Mexican, Central and South American brothers, Sisters and neighbors we can find an intelligent solution that we all can be proud of. For Gods sake Let's take this issue out of the Theyre a bunch of evil criminals arena.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#10)
    by fafnir on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 07:00:12 AM EST
    Liberals and Democrats are wrong to support reform policies that subsidize corporate interest for imported cheap labor. The large number of Illegals entering the U.S. is a problem caused by Mexico's negligence to provide sufficient employment opportunities for their citizens, and by corporate America's desire to drive down the cost of labor by any means necessary. The potential impact of so-called immigration reforms favored by Democrats is to help corporate America build a bigger, better cheap labor trap that reduces fair-wage opportunities that enable working- and middle-class citizens to pursue their own personal goals and dreams. Helping corporate America widen the cheap labor trap is unfair to working- and middle-class citizens who are not now earning enough money to afford health insurance, or buy a home in a safe, healthy community, or send their children to a good school, or save for retirement. A viable immigration reform must first turn off the corporate magnet that attracts the illegal workforce, and pursue policies that motivate Mexico to get off the dime and use their common wealth for the common good to create employment opportunities for their citizens.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 07:11:20 AM EST
    We have to stop using the criminal justice system to cure social problems and that is what the Republican bills would do -- instill and increase criminal penalties. The undocumented who are here should be allowed to stay and we should allow families to stay together.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 08:13:51 AM EST
    So will hiring an illegal immigrant be a felony? What, and gut Wal Mart's HR dept.? It's easy to figure out the Govt's position. As long as it leaves mega employers alone and boosts the prison population, it's the american way. If they are stealing our jobs, then why is the unemployment rate in San Diego touted as the lowest in 5 years? And the Fox regime could not care less. Ah well, elections are coming in July for them. Let the assassinations begin! And the title "Minutemen" is an insult to the originals. Just a bunch of OC racists. The same idiots who want ot build a 6 lane freeway on the beaches of SoCal. I swear if San Onofre leaks I sure hope the prevailing winds are blowing north that day. Those folks are already mutants.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#13)
    by fafnir on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 08:43:40 AM EST
    But, what about the rights and the plight of low-income working American families? Oh, I see. They don't vote, so who gives a damn! And, simply allowing illegals to stay here is unfair to immigrants who do play by the rules. Illegals who are here should not be granted instant immunity, but be allowed the same opportunity to apply for legal immigration as those who follow the rules. Otherwise, what you are saying is that America rewards those (the illegals and those who hire them) who break our immigration laws. This issue is about workforce economics: What's good for corporate America is bad for working America.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 09:09:51 AM EST
    Let's do this. Leave it up to the states to decide their immigration policy and see whether states that allow illegal immigrants to stay do better or worse that states that do not allow illegal immigrants to stay.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Steven Sanderson on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 09:16:43 AM EST
    Recent immigrants to our country are the largest and fastest growing segment of organized labor in America today. That's yet another reason for conservatives to bash immigration policy. Conservatives loathe people who unite, stand-up for themselves, demand economic justice for themselves and others, and believe that people working together can make this a better world for all of us. No, that can't be allowed. After all, where would that lead us?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 09:45:42 AM EST
    "I don't see what all the "anger" is about. The bill only affects people that are here illegally--people that didn't go to the consulate and get a visa. Should they be allowed to get a visa? Well, maybe, but that's another question entirely." "Should they be allowed to get a visa?" That is the issue. They were not allowed a visa. Well, Rosa Park was not allowed to keep her seat in the front of the bus. But she did it. And she made history. Illegal immigrants will make history just like her by violating US immigration laws. People all around the world need the freedom to move where ever they want to. What will you feel if you are an actor, but you are not allowed to move to Hollywood because you were not born in California.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 10:12:22 AM EST
    The bill in question doesn't have the dire provisions mentioned above. (It wouldn't criminalize Jesus, for just one example.) Here's the facts. As for the protests, most of those protesting are not U.S. citizens, they're citizens of other countries. In other words, foreign nationals who've entered our country illegally are now agitating inside our country for rights to which they aren't entitled. That's an extremely dangerous situation, as those with knowledge of history can attest. It's extremely dangerous to allow foreign citizens to come into your country and then start demanding things. And, the Georgia rally was organized by Teodoro Maus, a former Mexican consul. Is the Mexican government using surrogates to agitate their citizens who are in our country illegally?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 10:28:37 AM EST
    "Should they be allowed to get a visa?" That is the issue. They were not allowed a visa.
    So, your trying to tell me that all of the illegal aliens in the US went to the Consulate and were illegitimately denied visas? BS.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 10:50:16 AM EST
    "So, your trying to tell me that all of the illegal aliens in the US went to the Consulate and were illegitimately denied visas? BS." They never even get a chance to go to the Consulate. US never issue a visa to a foreigner just because he/she wants to come to look for jobs. There is no such type of visa.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 11:29:57 AM EST
    Yes there is. They are 'H' visas.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 11:31:54 AM EST
    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 11:42:58 AM EST
    Regarding the USCIS (linked by fitzov), here's another data point: according to a preliminary GAO report, the USCIS - which would be in charge of any "guest" worker plan - is already unable to deal with massive fraud and in fact won't have a fraud management system in place until 2010. That means that any "guest" worker plan would be rife with fraud. And, one of the terrorists involved in WTC 1 tried to get into a previous amnesty program. That link has excerpts from the 9/11 Commission Staff Report that details how past terrorists are quite aware of and willing to exploit holes in our immigration system.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 12:11:42 PM EST
    "Yes there is. They are 'H' visas." 'H' visas are for those who already have got a job in the US. If you have not got a job, you can not get an 'H' visa. There are jobs that can only be filled by people who are already in the US. No restaurant owners would post jobs overseas to look for cooks. They can not afford to fly them to the US and fly them back if they can not do the job.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 12:13:32 PM EST
    fitzov, Tell me which visa type is for foreigners who have not got a job in the US but want to come to the US to look for jobs.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 01:40:49 PM EST
    Those who complaint about cheap labors that illegal immigrants provide, listen to me. What would you like to do when do not have time to cook? Here are four options: 1. Order a frozen prepared meal for $5. 2. Order a meal for $10 from a restaurant that does not hire illegal immigrants. 3. Order a meal for $5 from a restaurant that hires illegal immigrants. 4. Skip the meal. Which is the best choice?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#26)
    by cpinva on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 02:41:20 PM EST
    On the subject of whether US workers are being displaced or not, I have this to say. If you shun competition, you will only become less competitive. Even if you do not allow foreign workers to come here, workers in other countries can still get the jobs. The jobs are simply shipped overseas. And can you stop that? If you do, American companies will not be able to compete with foreign companies. The competition is there around the world, whether it is in America or not.
    Those who complaint about cheap labors that illegal immigrants provide, listen to me. What would you like to do when do not have time to cook? Here are four options: 1. Order a frozen prepared meal for $5. 2. Order a meal for $10 from a restaurant that does not hire illegal immigrants. 3. Order a meal for $5 from a restaurant that hires illegal immigrants. 4. Skip the meal. Which is the best choice?
    dressking, i don't think these statements are compatible. stmt 1: either we let them in here, or u.s. corps will outsource the jobs to foreign countries. stmt 2: do you want to pay more for services/goods performed/made by reasonably paid u.s. citizens, or pay less for the same performed by illegal immigrants/guest workers. if the jobs are exported, stmt. 2 really isn't viable. the jobs taken, cheaply, by illegal immigrants/guest workers are not going to be outsourced, unless you can figure a way to move that orchard or restaurant to india. that's a pretty long way to go for take-out. TL, i read the document you cited. sorry, you and they are still wrong, nowhere was the economic issue of "guest workers" addressed, as in my original post. they, and you, have accepted the fallacy of a "lack of u.s. citizens willing to do those jobs". the only lack is of citizens willing to do them for below poverty wages. if employers, and by extention, consumers, were willing to pay the actual cost of service/production, there would be no labor shortage. i believe it was john maynard keynes who had a theory, with respect to the price of labor. that theory was "if a job isn't worth paying a living wage to do, than the job itself isn't worth being done." i paraphrase, but you get the point, hopefully. go back to the drawing board and try again.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 02:54:06 PM EST
    "if employers, and by extention, consumers, were willing to pay the actual cost of service/production, there would be no labor shortage." That is the issue. Can you always afford to pay a lot for all the services you need? Are you willing to spend a large portion of your fortune on services? Suppose that you have $50 in your pocket when you go to a mall. After you get to the mall, you see so many things that you want to buy. Do you still want to spend haft of your money on your meal in the mall? If you don't which restaurants will survive?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 03:10:23 PM EST
    I see two main reasons for people to oppose the legalization of illegal immigrants. 1. They blame illegal immigrants for breaking laws and fail to see the US government's responsibility for creating this whole illegal immigration phenomena. I think that the US government is to blame for these reasons: A. There are many jobs in the service sector that can only be filled by people who are already in the US. For example, a restaurant owner can not afford to fly a cook from another country to the US and fly him back if he does not turn out to be a good fit. C. The US government does not offer visas for people to come to the US to look for jobs. Right now foreigners can come to the US to work only if they already have got a job offer before they come. But for jobs that I just mentioned, foreigners can not get job offers before they come. As a result, there are jobs in the US that can not be filled. And there are foreigners who want to come to look for jobs but can not get the visas to come. 2. They blame illegal immigrants for bring down the wages. But illegal immigrants want to get paid as much as Americans. The reason why they can not get as much compensation is that they do not have the legal mean to do so. Americans should help them out. Blaming them will not solve any problem.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 04:32:29 PM EST
    2. Order a meal for $10 from a restaurant that does not hire illegal immigrants. 3. Order a meal for $5 from a restaurant that hires illegal immigrants. 4. Skip the meal. Which is the best choice? #3 could be even better. We could cut a deal with the Chinese government to take their "criminals", then put them to work at, say, $1 an hour. If we did that, that fine meal might only cost $4 or even $3! Wouldn't all you Americans like that better? C'mon, don't you want cheap food? It's great food! I'll bet you're hungry right now! And, all you have to do is pay for it in other ways: hospitals shutting down, clogged roads, foreign citizens marching in our streets, political corruption, and on and on. But, at least we'd have cheap food.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 25, 2006 at 09:22:59 PM EST
    Big Media Blog, you're chattering now. Four posts a day from you. (See the comment policy.) Take your xenophobia elsewhere.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 07:35:47 AM EST
    what about PPJ's xenophobis "Perhaps the illegal aliens should have considered the possible problems involved here before they came into the US and before they had children. I don't feel particulalry responsible for someone else's bad decisions. So, round'em up and send them home with their parents."

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 09:37:59 AM EST
    DressKing writes:
    2. They blame illegal immigrants for bring down the wages. But illegal immigrants want to get paid as much as Americans. The reason why they can not get as much compensation is that they do not have the legal mean to do so. Americans should help them out. Blaming them will not solve any problem.
    Of course they want more money. No one doubts that for a minute. But the problem is that because they are here, their very numbers cause wages to be depressed. And because they are illegal, they have no recourse. bigunit12 - Your problem is that you cannot use the word "xenophobia" properly. Here is the definition.
    : fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
    Describing a problem caused by illegal aliens doesn't come within a mile of that definition. et al - The wage problem will solve itself if you remove the excess numbers of people willing to do a specifc task at a low rate. Employers will pay the price necessary to get the work done by citizens, or by persons legally here. What you're really saying is that you want'em here so you can have cheaper lawn service, roofing work, etc.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 10:36:58 AM EST
    The problem lies with the scum who hires them at these ridiculously low wages in the first place. Lock them up and you solve the problem. Of course, lock them up and you lock up shrub's base and we simply can't have that.

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 10:48:29 AM EST
    charlie - I am all for locking them up. But the problem becomes, what national standard you use as proof positive they the new hire is a citizen, or has a visa? Should we have a national ID card?

    Re: Immigration Rallies Spread Across U.S. (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 11:57:07 AM EST
    "The problem lies with the scum.." And then theres the scum that hire illegal aliens..