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Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy"

President Bush gave a commencement address in Mississippi today. On the NSA phone records collection, he said:

"We are not mining or trolling through the personal lives of innocent Americans," Bush said before leaving for a commencement address at Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College in Biloxi.

The transcript is here.

Right -- as if anyone is going to believe him. The ACLU is calling for a full investigation of the NSA data-mining of phone records.

"Today's revelation about the NSA's data-mining program only further proves our point that Congress must fully investigate the Bush administration's illegal NSA wire-tapping program," said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "This warrantless database violates the constitutionally protected privacy rights of all Americans. This latest revelation serves as a clear signal that the administration's no-holds-barred approach to ignoring the law governing electronic surveillance has reached new levels. The ACLU has urged the Senate Judiciary Committee to investigate NSA spying before attempting to legislate blindly on the issue.

"By law, members of Congress must be kept appraised of the nation's intelligence activities," Fredrickson added. "The president cannot break the law, spy on Americans without warrants and systematically undermine our rights and freedoms. This abuse of power must not stand."

More reaction to Bush's comments by Athenae at First Draft and Steve Soto at Left Coaster.

And on the whole NSA issue, Peter Dauou and Zack Exley at Huffington Post. And Glenn Greenwald, No Need for Congress, No Need for the Courts.

Update: Jane on CNN's Jack Cafferty. Crooks and Liars has the video.

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    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#1)
    by Punchy on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:54:22 PM EST
    Wow. It appears Bush really does think we're as ignorant as himself. Really, how else are we supposed to interpret this "we're not mining" line, knowing full well that's exactly what you must do with terabites of data collected. In fact, that's ALL you do with that kind of data--you mine it for patterns. For him to think educated Americans (probably not his base) will believe that line is borderine hysterical. Tomorrow, he'll tell us he only gets Playboy for the articles. With a straight face. This is evidence #592 that our President has the intellectual capacity of a typical 8th grader.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Thu May 11, 2006 at 03:10:57 PM EST
    I counted 6 'al qaidas' and 3 'attacks'. Eithen an 'al qaida' or an 'attack' in every paragraph. Typical fear jive. It would be nice to be able to believe a word of what your president says. But fool me once...

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Thu May 11, 2006 at 03:35:16 PM EST
    If they find even one boogeyman, it's a reasonable thing to do... Right? Riiiiiight.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 03:38:07 PM EST
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    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Thu May 11, 2006 at 03:52:31 PM EST
    "We are not mining or trolling through the personal lives of innocent Americans," Bush said...
    That appears to be exactly what he's doing. If his lips are moving, etc....

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 05:56:57 PM EST
    Today I called Verizon customer support to protest my information being divulged to the NSA. First I got the operator who wanted to direct my call. I said that this morning I read in the paper that Verizon was sharing my call records and personal information with the NSA, that this directly violates their own declared privacy policy, and asked the operator if she thought that was wrong. She hesitated at first, and then said that Yes, while she's just the operator, and she doesn't use Verizon, she lives in Alabama, she did think that was wrong, and that she'd gotten a lot of calls about that today, and she would be upset too. I thanked her, and she directed me to customer service. I said the same thing to the woman I talked to at Customer Service, and she directed me to someone higher up. The higher up got on the phone, and I said the same thing. She put me on hold for a second and then came back and read robotically from a script -- a statement to the effect that Verizon takes privacy concerns very seriously, but that because the NSA is a highly classified program they are not allowed to comment. Then she asked if I wanted to know her personal opinion, not Verizon's opinion, but hers personally. I said yes, surprised. She said that she's just an average American, she pays her bills on time, she doesn't do anything illegal, and you know what, if the government wants to listen to her phone calls, it doesn't matter to her at all, because she's confident that there's nothing in there that the government could hold against her, and besides, we don't even know if the article is accurate. Then she said that the media is sometimes a good thing, but it's a bad thing when it dwells only on the negative - and all they report is bad news. The government can do what it wants if it means protecting us. We had a lively debate. I said that eavesdropping on Americans violates the 4th amendment, specifying the need for probable cause and a search warrant, that this violates the Constitution. I asked if it made sense to give up the freedom we're fighting for. I asked her how Verizon sharing my calls with the government was any different from the behavior of a totalitarian police state. She asked if I thought I was taking that a little far - after all, there are no concentration camps. I brought up the CIA secret prisons in Eastern Europe and Guantanamo Bay, where thousands are held without trial, without a lawyer, indefinitely, and by all accounts routinely tortured. She said she's a passive person, there's nothing she can do about all this. I said that's what the Germans said. She laughed. She had a good sense of humor about it all, and argued her case pretty well - perhaps the most cogent example of comfortable middle class complacency I've ever heard. She repeated the No Comment script Verizon gave her a few times, interspersed in our discussion, and reiterated that her personal opinion had nothing to do with Verizon. She said that she thought going into Iraq was wrong, but it's over, it's done with, we're there, we just have to keep moving forward. I said It's not over, there are people dying every day. She said her son is going into the service this August, and while she doesn't know if she agrees with that, who is she to stand in the way of his decision? "Every person has the right to live as they choose." "Not every person, unfortunately," I said. "In America they do." "Do I have the right to not have my personal phone calls listened to by the government?" "Well, you don't know that the government is doing that." "Yes, but don't I have the right? How do I know that right is being respected?" "Again, we can't comment on whether or not the article is accurate." "Well, I believe you're directly violating my contract by going against your own stated privacy policy. Do I have the right to charge you $200 for violating my contract?" She laughed. "No, you don't." "See, well, not everyone has the same rights." She thanked me and said that she'd written my name and phone number down. "Good, give it to the Pentagon," I said. She laughed and we parted amicably.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 06:33:01 PM EST
    Al Queda. Al Zarqawi. Bin Laden. Fox News. 911. United Flight 93. Let's Roll. Wiretapping. Torture. The Postponed Trial Of the Iraqi Dictator. Gas Prices. O'Reilly vs. The Left. Female Suicide Bombers. Iran's Next. Immigration. The NSA. Florida. Ohio. Katrina. New Orleans. Rumsfeld. Cheney. Haliburton. Cheney's lawyer getting shot. Iraq. Sacrifice's. Rumsfeld's resignation turned down by Bush. More Al Queda. Moussaui. Rush Limbaugh. Supreme Court Nominees. Shiavo. Peterson. Abortion. Att. Poll Ratings. George W. Bush. "Not One Positive Thing Has This Administration Done.
    ...We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No we didn't light it But we tried to fight it Sorry all... I couldn't resist!

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#8)
    by Sailor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 06:58:30 PM EST
    Sherman, set the wayback machine
    April 12, 2000 -- In a rare public appearance, two men who head the top U.S. intelligence agencies sought to convince lawmakers on Capitol Hill that ordinary Americans are never the targets of high-tech government surveillance.
    The director of the National Security Agency, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, and his boss, CIA Director George Tenet, testified Wednesday before the House Intelligence Committee.
    They sought to dispute newspaper reports suggesting the United States and its allies were using a surveillance system to eavesdrop on private conversations of Americans and Europeans. [...] On Wednesday, the NSA director dismissed any suggestions that his agency violates privacy laws.
    "We are not out there as a vacuum cleaner," Hayden said. "We don't have that capability and we don't want that capability." [...] "We protect the rights of Americans and their privacy," Tenet insisted. "We do not violate them and we never will."
    The agencies are barred from doing so by a 1978 law that was passed after the NSA was forced to admit in the 1970s that its massive eavesdropping equipment had been used against anti-Vietnam War activists[...]
    That led to the law banning any spying on Americans anywhere. The law protects resident aliens, too, said Hayden, no matter who they are or what they are suspected of doing.
    nstitution," Hayden testified. [...] "There is a rich body of oversight that ensures that we stay within the law," he said. [...] "It's not what we're about. It's not what we've done. We simply do not do that." he added.
    The unusual hearing was scheduled by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss


    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Thu May 11, 2006 at 09:41:50 PM EST
    Edger, Thank you, Elegant Elliot Offen (sic?).

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri May 12, 2006 at 06:56:23 AM EST
    We need to organize a protest where we get a million people to make calls at the same time using all the "buzz" words. This would overload the domestic spy network, at least temporarily. May as well give the spooks something interesting to spy on.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 12, 2006 at 07:38:30 AM EST
    et al - ABC Poll says by 2 to 1 Americans have no problem with this. Poll JM writes:
    I asked her how Verizon sharing my calls with the government was any different from the behavior of a totalitarian police state.
    Why didn't you ask her a factual question? Like, "how Verizon sharing who I called and when."

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:19:24 AM EST
    This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone May 11, 2006, among a random national sample of 502 adults. The results have a 4.5point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.
    Interesting that there was no mention of the constitution in any of the poll questions. Also interesting that Republican law makers are not happy with this latest attack on the 4th ammendment. Unlike many of those polled, they have heard of the 4th amendment.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#14)
    by roger on Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:53:41 AM EST
    First, go to the online poll connected to the story- BIG difference Second- Most Americans disagree with the Bill of Rights, when re-worded to hide its nature. So what? 99% can disagree with the Constitution, it's still the law. How about we re-word the poll? What percentage think that it's OK to have a felon as president? This reminds me of a picture recently sent to me. It shows a woman holding a sign reading: "Can someone give Bush a BJ so that we can impeach him?"

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 11:43:46 AM EST
    Posted by kdog May 12, 2006 07:56 AM We need to organize a protest where we get a million people to make calls at the same time using all the "buzz" words. This would overload the domestic spy network, at least temporarily. May as well give the spooks something interesting to spy on.
    Have at it Kdog-the program tracks numbers called, not conversations.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:00:37 PM EST
    True JRT...the govt. just makes a record of the call, until you say the "buzz" words, then the recorder kicks on. I say we overload the machinery of tyranny.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:06:40 PM EST
    and what do you think the "buzzwords" are?

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:09:03 PM EST
    Guess who?
    "I am concerned about what I read with regard to NSA databases of phone calls."
    "While I support aggressively tracking al-Qaida, the administration needs to answer some tough questions about the protection of our civil liberties."
    "The idea of collecting millions or thousands of phone numbers, how does that fit into following the enemy?"
    I don't think the way they've handled this can be defended by reasonable people. It is sloppy. It is contradictory, and frankly for normal Americans, it makes no sense...
    think progress

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#19)
    by Sailor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:52:27 PM EST
    Qwest's Refusal of N.S.A. Query Is Explained
    By JOHN O'NEIL and ERIC LICHTBLAU WASHINGTON, May 12 -- The telecommunications company Qwest turned down requests by the National Security Agency for private telephone records because it concluded that doing so would violate federal privacy laws, a lawyer for the telephone company's former chief executive said today.
    In a statement released this morning, the lawyer said that the former chief executive, Joseph N. Nacchio, made the decision after asking whether "a warrant or other legal process had been secured in support of that request."
    Mr. Nacchio learned that no warrant had been granted and that there was a "disinclination on the part of the authorities to use any legal process," said the lawyer, Herbert J. Stern. As a result, the statement said, Mr. Nacchio concluded that "the requests violated the privacy requirements of the Telecommunications Act."


    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:05:25 PM EST
    Detonator?

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:05:52 PM EST
    Allah?

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:08:55 PM EST
    C4? ...possible "buzz words", according to urban legend i heard after 911, when it was assumed by many including myself that they were listening in, or soon would be.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:17:03 PM EST
    Why didn't we already expect the NSA/CIA/FCC/Whothehellever to be doing this? Isn't this what all the criticism post-9/11 (the "failure to connect-the-intelligence-dots") was about anyway? This is merely connecting-the-dots.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Fri May 12, 2006 at 03:04:18 PM EST
    Logging all the calls made in the USA isn't connecting the dots...it's more like compiling all the dots with no rhyme or reason. How do we all get service from Qwest...the only phone company in America that understands the concept of America. Remember it was only 40 years ago when our leaders labelled MLK a communist and wiretapped him. That's not freedom. Keeping logs of all of our phone calls for spy agency scrutiny is not freedom. It is so partisanly disheartening to me that this is even up for debate. "Hello, baby, mm - mm. Ah, yeah, you know we ain't, we ain't talkin' alone. Who's listening? But I don't really know. But you better tell the SIS to keep out of sight, 'Cause I know they takin' pictures on the ultraviolet light. Yes, uh huh, yeah, but these days it's all secrecy; no privacy. Shoot first, that' s right... you know. Bye bye. Who's listening? Right now somebody is listening to you, Keeping their eyes peeled on you. Mmm, mmm, what a price, what a price to pay. All right. Good night, sleep tight." - Stones, as true today as when it was written.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 04:06:07 PM EST
    "...I break into a cold sweat reachin' for the phone; I'd better think twice before I chicken out and decide you're not at home" Does Everyone Stare/Regatta de Blanc The Police, 1979

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Fri May 12, 2006 at 04:41:25 PM EST
    Isn't this what all the criticism post-9/11 (the "failure to connect-the-intelligence-dots") was about anyway?
    Uhh, no. Trapping 200 million American's phone records does not help the WOT, and wouldn't have helped 9/11. But maybe if bush had read his his August PDB 'Bin Laden Determined To Attack Within US' instead of 'My Pet Goat' we might have. If bush hadn't demoted and stopped listening to Richard Clarke, it might have been stopped. BTW, if we locked everyone up, and stopped letting anyone into the country, well, that would work also ... except for all the corrupt gov't officials.

    Re: Bush: "We're Not Trolling Your Privacy" (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Sat May 13, 2006 at 10:50:04 AM EST
    et al - ABC Poll says by 2 to 1 Americans have no problem with this.
    Well a sneaky poll done before Americans have time to digest the news comes as no surprise. One day later americans begin to realize that the keystone of america is bieng chipped away and they do not like it....even if there is a phony war going on.
    41% say necessary tool, 53% say goes too far.
    atrios