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Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike Plans

Anybody home? This is some scary Iran news from the British paper the Herald:

THE US is updating contingency plans for a non-nuclear strike to cripple Iran's atomic weapon programme if international diplomacy fails, Pentagon sources have confirmed. Strategists are understood to have presented two options for pinpoint strikes using B2 bombers flying directly from bases in Missouri, Guam in the Pacific and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

The main plan calls for a rolling, five-day bombing campaign against 400 key targets in Iran, including 24 nuclear-related sites, 14 military airfields and radar installations, and Revolutionary Guard headquarters.ulf.

At least 75 targets in underground complexes would be attacked with waves of bunker-buster bombs. Iranian radar networks and air defence bases would be struck by submarine-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles and then kept out of action by carrier aircraft flying from warships in the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf.

The alternative to an all-out campaign is a demonstration strike against one or two high-profile targets such as the Natanz uranium enrichment facility or the hexafluoride gas plant at Isfahan.

It's time to re-read what Larisa of Raw Story wrote a few days ago. She's been covering Iran for months. Why is our media shying away from this story?

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    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Wed May 17, 2006 at 09:19:57 PM EST
    Oy!

    Is anyone well-versed in Constitutional law as it pertains to war? Congress passed a resolution which Bush used as legal justification to attack Iraq, but what about Iran? I mean ... can Bush order an elective first strike on a sovereign nation without a declaration of war from Congress? Or at least some sort of act of Congress similar to the one passed prior to the invasion of Iraq? I mean ... I don't doubt that he would do it, but wouldn't that in and of itself be a slam-dunk impeachable offense?

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Wed May 17, 2006 at 09:26:11 PM EST
    The unitary president will not fall unless we can take control of congress. With a war in Iran it will be hard to win congress. Fait accompli

    "It's time to re-read Larisa" i'm seeing a lot of that lately...

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#5)
    by Johnny on Thu May 18, 2006 at 01:26:49 AM EST
    I hope all the nimrods that voted for this black administration are happy. There will soon be the blood of even more children on their disgusting hands. "If diplomacy fails"... WTF!? What has King George done that even remotely apporaches diplomacy? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Of COURSE diplomacy will fail, when you have a half-wit rectal-vent sitting in the oval office. George has a big ol' woody thinking about all those brown people he gets to murder-he won't resort to diplomacy. Also, is there anyway I can stop paying taxes until the gov't stops using them to kill people? I know the thought of brown people perishing in a ball of fire gives wrong-wingers a woody, but I find it rather distateful.

    Plans are SOP the military makes lots of them. BTW isn't this leak of plans an outrageous breach of national security at least as bad as the Plame leak? Just asking. :-) Just for the sake of argument: Suppose we found Iran has a plan to attack Iraq or Afghanistan. Wouldn't it be wise to be prepared?

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#7)
    by Richard Aubrey on Thu May 18, 2006 at 04:49:10 AM EST
    M. Simon. It is a lie to claim planning for is planning to. If done right, it can fool people. You see a lot of that around here.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu May 18, 2006 at 05:59:16 AM EST
    If we hadn't wasted all of our political capital in Iraq and committed so many troops to a useless war, this would be an afterthought. Does anyone feel any better knowing that Kim Jong Il claims to have a nuclear weapon? Makes negotiating with him a hell of a lot harder. I would expect our gov't to "plan" for it, hell Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton would. Foreign policy grade, D-.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#9)
    by james on Thu May 18, 2006 at 06:27:44 AM EST
    Probably right after mid-terms. Then again he might think that if he strikes just before them the wave of retalitory strikes against our interests and a full blown Iraq civil war would help his party. Hopefully he's not that deluded.

    Of course the Pentagon has plans for an attack on Iran. What do you expect the military to do? Not have plans? They have plans for attacking probably every country in the world, each to varying degrees of detail. When a country like Iran become verbally antagonistic, that's a good reason to revisit the plan, update and flesh it out. This is a non-story.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#11)
    by desertswine on Thu May 18, 2006 at 07:36:29 AM EST
    A classified National Intelligence Estimate on North Korea, which was circulated among senior officials earlier this year, concluded that the North had probably fabricated the fuel for more than a half-dozen nuclear weapons since the beginning of Mr. Bush's administration and was continuing to produce roughly a bomb's worth of new plutonium each year.
    Hello... Hello?

    croc_choda.... This is a non-story. But you don't understand...anything that even remotely makes Bush look bad is HUGE news on the left. This is precisely why we have 'secrets' that the general public doesn't need to know... Who is supplying this info (leaks)...? They should be tried for treason!

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#13)
    by soccerdad on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:36:48 AM EST
    The neocons have been trying to promote an attack on Iran since the mid 90's. They are not going to call it off just because we're mired in Iraq. The purpose of the attack will be "regime change" operating under the assumption that after being attacked the more moderate Iranians will depose the extremists. I'm guessing it will have the opposite effect and allow the extremists to obtain more power by promoting Nationalism, much like happened here after 9/11. An attack will not be limited to atomic sites, but all military targets in Iran Such an attack will be viewed by the Muslim world as another imperialistic attack on them and will therefore promote greater instability in the region and beyond. If we attack Iran keep your eye on Pakistan. A coup there will leave you with muslim extremists with nukes.

    Who is supplying this info (leaks)...? They should be tried for treason! consider this, could this administration be the ones responsible for these leaks? They haven't been beyond "shifting attention" in the past. White House Mottos: on foreign diplomacy... "if ya don't like em, bomb em" "if they ain't with ya, ban em" on governmental affairs... "if ya about to get caught, leak em" "if they don't jump on the bandwagon, put em in jail" on America.... "tapping phones, terrorist threat" "warrantless searches, terrorist threat" "rising gas prices, terrorist threat" "Karl Rove, Duke Rape, Warren Jeffs, Enron, Tyco, etc etc, terrorist threat" When do we stop all this madness under the guise of Terrorist Threat? when are we going to start looking at censure and impeachment? Fed Up Yet?

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#15)
    by soccerdad on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:43:36 AM EST
    when are we going to start looking at censure and impeachment? Fed Up Yet?
    Pelosi has already stated that even if the Dems take back Congress impeachment is "off the table" The usual spineless dems who dont stand for anything. Cant make their corporate pimps angry!

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#16)
    by Sailor on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:46:50 AM EST
    But you don't understand...anything that even remotely makes Bush look bad is HUGE news on the left.
    no one has to make bush look bad, he manages all on his own. Reporting on his lies and crimes isn't the problem, lying and committing crimes is.

    They have plans for attacking probably every country in the world, each to varying degrees of detail.
    Really? Even Israel?
    Suppose we found Iran has a plan to attack Iraq or Afghanistan. Wouldn't it be wise to be prepared?
    Well at least you're honest enough to admit that those countries have been annexed by the U.S.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#18)
    by Dadler on Thu May 18, 2006 at 09:59:36 AM EST
    I love people who treat this like so much fluff. Oh the military is always making plans, blah blah blah. Well, no sh*t, Sherlocks. The PROBLEM is that BUSH IS STILL PRESIDENT and, in case you've been in a sinkhole, he and his cronies are the ones who got us into the wretched lie and mess the war in Iraq is. And it is beyond frightening to think of this Christian fundamentalist going on another one of his "crusades". Get it? This administration has proven time and time again they are wretchedly unimaginative, dishonest, and pathological in their continued belief -- despite blood and failure all around their actions -- that violence is their most valuable tool. They have abused the public trust, abused the public (to the tune of how many senselessly dead service-members? will my little brother be next?), and the great majority of citizens in this nation cannot fathom this idiot going to the bombs again in another country that hasn't attacked us, with an Islamic power base who LOATHE the Wahhabi beliefs behind Al Qeada (but I guess we're not worried about them anymore), and, lest we forget, a country whose democratically elected leader WE ASSASINATED in the 1950's. Enough already. We can only f*ck things up so much. Or can we?

    Ernie: Especially Israel. I would hope we have contingency plans for any country that has nukes. What about a nutburger faction that gets their mitts on one. I bet we even have plans on taking out Brit and French nukes if we had to. I would imagine at least China and Russia have contingency plans on us.

    Wile, OK...the United States has nukes, too. Do we have plans for attacking ourselves? After all, we could be taken over by a nutberger faction that wants to control the world and... What am I saying?? That could neeeever happen here! :P

    I think it's safe to assume the Pentagon has contingency plans for every country, including our current allies. I don't see the harm in wargaming, being prepared and such. And further I don't see it as shocking that the contingency plan for Iran has been pulled and updated. Iran is, after all, making some pretty outrageous claims while overtly seeking to join the nuclear club. Does all this mean an attack is imminent? No, but military intervention should not be ruled out at any point.

    Ernie: Holy strawmen. I don't know about that, but the people who sit in the bunkers in the midwest are given alot of continous evaluations.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#23)
    by Dadler on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:36:33 AM EST
    croc, We have the largest military in the world, we're currently mired in Iraq, stumbling along in mostly forgotten Afghanistan (the real heart of A.Q. and 9/11), we have military bases all over the globe, and the problem right now is too much of the world sees war and violence as ALL we really have on the table. And Iran's anti-Israel rhetoric is no more or less anything than the rhetoric for decades. The administration is CHOOSING to use it now. They've never chosen to use it against Saudi Arabia (run by tryants and Bush family friends), which is where the Wahhabi sect has its origin. Again, when post-WWII Iraq had a chance to democratically evolve WE ASSASINATED THE ELECTED LEADER and installed the dictator Shah. Can you not at least respect their sense of their OWN history, and their mistrust of us, and how all our chest-thumping does nothing but make them more belligerent? Their President is a nutjob, we both agree on that, but one person is not going to suffer if we start bombing, the entire nation will be affected, national pride will, and people who wouldn't support Ahmanijed (sic) will startm as they already have. Our policy and strategy seem to completely ignore our own role in Iran's troubled history. We're like the dad who beat you up your entire childhood and now is threatening you because he doesn't like how you grew up. Humility goes a long way. Even in politic and foreign policy. But two personal letters from Iraqi leaders, the President and most powerful cleric, went largely ignored. A chance to turn those letters into a positive for EVERYONE was wasted because of pride. And we're the land of the free? How much freedom does it take to start writing these letters publicly, and beginning a very unprecedented diplocatic and imaginative project with another, essentially "enemy", nation. THAT would've been something, and there was nothing to lose in the effort, not a thing. But this administration didn't have the creative brains to see past the heat of the moment. And I don't trust that lack of smarts at all. Never will.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#24)
    by Johnny on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:40:34 AM EST
    I think it's safe to assume the Pentagon has contingency plans for every country, including our current allies. I don't see the harm in wargaming, being prepared and such.
    Absolutely OK... Soldierboys need to play their games... BUT. If wrong-wingers cannot see this march to war is almost identical to the march to war in Iraq... I feel pity for your seeming self-imposed narrow vision and ditto-head attitude. Military action against Iran will happen before the end of the year, and thousands more dead children's blood will be on the hands of those who voted for this administration. Simple.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peaches on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:56:19 AM EST
    The usual spineless dems who dont stand for anything. Cant make their corporate pimps angry!
    SD, I don't have an answer for you. Perhaps you aren't looking for one. Read this from Chris Hedges today. I found the following quotes very useful.
    we can't be saved by what we can accomplish, because if we did, we'd fall into despair.
    Focus on what you do this day: don't give in to cynicism, because then you are defeated.
    To get up and carry out an act that may seem not only insignificant but absurd gives you a sense of worth and meaning, and allows you to participate in an act (however small) of resistance.
    I think the cumulative effect of taking a moral stance, over time, is slow and hard and frustrating.
    Sustain yourself through community and try not to become too focused on what you can accomplish, because it may very well be that, by the time we're gone, the world will be a worse place. But we have to validate our own existence, our own morality, our own life. And that comes by taking a stance, by standing up and remaining human. And there are times when remaining human is the only resistance possible.


    dadler.. he and his cronies are the ones who got us into the wretched lie and mess the war in Iraq is. Most of America doesn't see it that way. I know you all would like to think that, but those of us without 'selective' memories know why we went in, & that hasn't changed. And, as I have said in many posts before, ...please look up the definition of the word "lie". the problem right now is too much of the world sees war and violence as ALL we really have on the table. And the liberal press...showing nothing but death..and as much anti-Bush, anti-USA stuff they can, while announcing everything we do to the world has nothing to do with that? They've never chosen to use it against Saudi Arabia (run by tryants and Bush family friends), which is where the Wahhabi sect has its origin. Could that be because the Saudis have NEVER gone on 'record' as wanting to destroy Isreal...and aren't working on developing Nuclear weapons?

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#27)
    by Peaches on Thu May 18, 2006 at 11:38:11 AM EST
    And the liberal press...showing nothing but death..and as much anti-Bush, anti-USA stuff they can, while announcing everything we do to the world has nothing to do with that?
    BB, I think you have a very selective memory. You forget the rah-rah leading up to the war. You forget all the war correspondants giving us the play-by-play as our bombers headed to Bahgdad. Chris Hedges from the Nation:
    In wartime the press is always part of the problem. This has been true since the Crimean War, when William Howard Russell wrote his account of the charge of the Light Brigade and invented the profession of the modern war correspondent. When the nation goes to war, the press goes to war with it. The blather on CNN or Fox or MSNBC is part of a long and sad tradition.
    The coverage of war by the press has one consistent and pernicious theme--the worship of our weapons and our military might. Retired officers, breathless reporters, somber news anchors, can barely hold back their excitement, which is perverse and--frankly, to those who do not delight in watching us obliterate other human beings--disgusting. We are folding in on ourselves, losing touch with the outside world, shredding our own humanity and turning war into entertainment and a way to empower ourselves as a nation and individuals. And none of us are untainted. It is the dirty thrill people used to get from watching a public execution. We are hangmen. And the excitement we feel is in direct proportion to the rage and anger we generate around the globe. We will pay for every bomb we drop on Iraq. "The first casualty when war comes," Senator Hiram Johnson said in 1917, "is truth."


    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#28)
    by Sailor on Thu May 18, 2006 at 11:52:07 AM EST
    contingency plans are a bit different than sending carrier groups.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#29)
    by Al on Thu May 18, 2006 at 11:53:40 AM EST
    I have serious doubts that the present administration, with the prez under 30% in the polls, Karl Rove probably soon to be indicted, and the increasing public disgust with Iraq, is able to launch another Iraq-style pre-emptive attack. In Bush's own terms, he has squandered all his political capital. But it's possible that Israel might initiate an attack, triggering US "support".

    wile, strawman? How so? Who invaded Iraq? Who is talking about bombing Iran? Hint: it ain't the crazy Islamofascists.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dadler on Thu May 18, 2006 at 12:40:45 PM EST
    B.B., If you believe the public is behind the President on Iraq...I can't help you. If you believe all the positive in Iraq is simply being ignored by the MSM, then I encourage you to attempt to do ANY reporting on your own from a country in the middle of an occupation AND a de-facto civil war. How do you suggest all this good-news reporting go on in the midst of a security situation that is anything but secure? Come on. So the perception of ALL the people around the world is the result of biased AMERICAN press reportage? That is less than weak, it totally ignores the actions of your own nation. As for the Saudis, thank you, you make my point. As long as the tyrants (and decades-long FAMILY FRIENDS OF THE BUSHES) don't SAY the wrong thing, we let their dictatorial regime continue, we let the origins of Wahabbism continue to fester, and we essentially act like the hypocrites we're perceived to be. I mean, seriously, can you not in the least little bit accept the completely f'd up nature of the Bush family relationship with the tyrants who run Saudi Arabia, and how that might possibly present a GIGANTIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST here? Can you not, as I asked croc_chada to do, attempt to understand Iran's mistrust of us, having assansinated their first democratically elected leader to install the corrupt Shah? Do you not think we need to acknowledge our own complicity in completely f*cking up other nations? Especially those we are close to completely re-f*cking? Come on, bro, give me a slim reed to hang our shared humanity on.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#33)
    by soccerdad on Thu May 18, 2006 at 03:53:51 PM EST
    At least there is no argument of whether Iran is building WMD this time around.
    There is no evidence of military-use nuclear activity despite many inspections. But just keep lying.

    Iranian "mistrust" of the US does not explain (much less excuse) the "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric. And I would agree this has been their policy for decades - but only recently has the President of Iran articulated it in such a bellicose way. Couple that with their transparent desire for nuclear weapons and we have an issue brewing that cannot be ignored. I try and be as reasonable and fair as possible. I supported removing Sadaam from power and continue to support the Iraqi democratic movement. It's worth noting here that our own democratic revolution took more than a decade. I would agree that the period after the fall of Baghdad has been characterized by a lack of real leadership. It's as though we went it without a plan (or a realistic plan). Is an immediate redeployment reasonable? Of course not. Is "staying the course" reasonable? Not at all. What's needed is a slow withdrawl where more responsibility is handed to the Iraqi forces. Will there be period of instability? Probably. Will there be a Civil War? Maybe. Is a democratic Iraq preferable to a dictatorial regieme? Without a doubt. Iran cannot be permitted to obtain nuclear fuel to a nuclear weapon. That is simple.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Thu May 18, 2006 at 03:58:10 PM EST
    He must be in bed with Gannon/Guckert. Radioactive pillow talk.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#36)
    by soccerdad on Thu May 18, 2006 at 03:58:42 PM EST
    Peaches Thanks for your post. I do try and do what I can. If it was just me I was worried about it would be ok. But I have 4 kids one with a serious birth defect and their future looks bleak to me. There are some major inescapable problems coming and all the leaders have their head either in the sand or in some lobbist's lap.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Thu May 18, 2006 at 04:13:19 PM EST
    croc_choda-
    Iranian "mistrust" of the US does not explain (much less excuse) the "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric.
    No but a correct translation and context would. This was not a military reference. It was a figure of speeck akin to my hoping that the Bush regime would end. If you are interested in cooling your warmongering jets take a look at what Juan Cole has to say about the Khomeni quote. He speaks the language and is no friend of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
    But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all. The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.
    Juan Cole

    It's worth noting here that our own democratic revolution took more than a decade.
    Yeah, it didn't happen until we kicked out the occupying empire's army. Thanks for the history lesson. Now go study what it means.

    Posted by Ernesto Del Mundo May 18, 2006 01:21 PM wile, strawman? How so? Who invaded Iraq? Who is talking about bombing Iran? Hint: it ain't the crazy Islamofascists.
    No- the Islamofascists are talking about bombing the U.S.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#41)
    by Sailor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 09:15:50 AM EST
    the Islamofascists are talking about bombing the U.S.
    while the christofascists are plotting to bomb iran, the way they did iraq and afghanistan.

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri May 19, 2006 at 09:51:38 AM EST
    Anyone still think it is only "rhetoric"?
    Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.


    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#43)
    by Johnny on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:37:23 PM EST
    Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.
    And yet, millions of misguided people in this country would like to see religion play a stronger role in gov't...

    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#44)
    by Edger on Sat May 27, 2006 at 09:39:02 AM EST
    Perhaps cooler heads may prevail? U.S. Is Debating Talks With Iran on Nuclear Issue By STEVEN R. WEISMAN Published: May 27, 2006 - NYT
    WASHINGTON, May 26 -- The Bush administration is beginning to debate whether to set aside a longstanding policy taboo and open direct talks with Iran, to help avert a crisis over Tehran's suspected nuclear weapons program, European officials and Americans close to the administration said Friday. Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, in a recent column in The Washington Post, raised the possibility that the recent rambling letter from President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to President Bush -- dismissed by Ms. Rice as an offensive tirade-- could be seen as an opportunity to open contacts. Both Richard N. Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations and a former top aide to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, and Richard L. Armitage, the former deputy secretary of state under Mr. Powell, have also advocated talks with Iran.


    Re: Pentagon Sources Confirm Iran Military Strike (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Sat May 27, 2006 at 09:44:41 AM EST
    Russia to honour Iran arms deal:
    Russia's defence minister has confirmed that Moscow intends to honour a controversial deal to supply Iran with surface-to-air missiles. The $700m (£380m) deal, signed last year, has been condemned by the US.
    Curious coincidence(?)that The US may be considering opening talks with Iran...

    Yeah we are probably opening talks so we can sell them the missiles instead of Russia. Didn't Reagan give them weapons them back in the '80s anyway?