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Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75

By Jeralyn, Section Terror Detainees
Posted on Mon May 29, 2006 at 12:54:56 PM EST
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The number of hunger striking detainees at Guantanamo has grown to 75.

It's way past time we closed Guantanamo and sent the detainees home.

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    Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 | 27 comments (27 topical)
    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 29, 2006 at 01:13:13 PM EST
    Problem is, they don't all go home.
    Citing a memo prepared for him by his staff, Hunter proceeded to discuss some of the at least 10 detainees who have been released from Guantanamo Bay, or Gitmo, only to re-join the fight against the U.S. coalition bringing democracy to Afghanistan.
    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 29, 2006 at 01:15:08 PM EST
    Oops, too quick on the trigger..here's a Link to the above quote.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#3)
    by soccerdad on Mon May 29, 2006 at 01:29:11 PM EST
    Sorry if I don't take that report on face value, since the Repubs have been wrong about everything and it won't be the first time they've manufactured some self serving crap. So when the fascists say trust us, I automatically don't

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#4)
    by Al on Mon May 29, 2006 at 01:46:20 PM EST
    PPJ mentions a "US coalition bringing democracy to Afghanistan". It's not a "US coalition", it's a NATO force. Right now there are Canadians dying there, including the first Canadian woman to die in combat, God knows why. The new minority Conservative government tried to take a leaf from Bush's book and prohibit the media from covering the arrival of the coffins of Canadian soldiers, and was forced to back down after getting rebuked publicly by the father of Captain Goddard. The ill-defined "mission" to Afghanistan is a mess, with the Taliban actually getting stronger. Nobody understands why all these troops aren't actually looking for Osama bin Laden, instead of trying to appear to be propping up the Karzai government.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon May 29, 2006 at 02:26:58 PM EST
    Al:
    PPJ mentions a "US coalition bringing democracy to Afghanistan"
    . The article PPJ posted said it. He didn't. You must work for CBC.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#6)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2006 at 02:36:04 PM EST
    When we "bring democracy to Afghanistan" will candidates need to raise $200 mil war chests in order to be viable?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#7)
    by Al on Mon May 29, 2006 at 03:05:15 PM EST
    Wiley: Whether PPJ can be cited as stating something that was quoted in his post is one of those discussions like whether angels have navels, which I find myself completely incapable of mustering up any interest in whatsoever. And no, I don't work for the CBC. Now, do you actually have anything useful to say?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#8)
    by Sailor on Mon May 29, 2006 at 04:42:34 PM EST
    So since bushco 'liberated' afghanistan, but actually only the capitol, and poppy production is way up over what the taliban allowed and the rest of the country is at 'unrest' and now even the capitol is unsafe for the occupiers, can we finally put paid to our 'victory in Afghanistan?' Why is it so hard to understand that no one likes foreign invaders!? bushco let afghanistan slide while we put our resources into iraq, which had no ties to AQ and was no threat to us. Now bushco is telling the same lies about iran ... gee, one would almost think these steps are directly from the PNAC playbook.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:03:49 PM EST
    Al - So you are responsible for anything you say or do, even if your source has an inaccurate portion? Wile - Thanks. We can now see how the Left can claim, with a straight face, that "Bush lied" BTW - I note you do not challenge the fact that some of those let go have now been caught again or killed fighting. I guess you think we should just keep re-cycling the terrorists, just as the Demos wanted to keep recounting the FL votes..

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:25:11 PM EST
    Yeah Bush never lied. He also wiped out a Viet Cong unit single handedly from Alabama.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:04:44 PM EST
    Jondee - What a marvelous, rational comment. Do you have more? I do hope so because the define you so well.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:20:59 PM EST
    That would be: "They define you so well." Look just because the shrub has bad grammer dosnt mean you have to. And "suicider" is definatly out, so you can stop parroting that one too.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:33:19 PM EST
    So if 75 prisoners at (insert some state jail here) go on a hunger strike, it's time to close the jail and release the inmates?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:42:32 PM EST
    JR- Your comparison is not apt. The gitmo prisoners have no constitutional rights . There was no due process. Their detention violates the Geneva convention.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#15)
    by Sailor on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:54:07 PM EST
    So if 75 prisoners at (insert some state jail here) go on a hunger strike, it's time to close the jail and release the inmates?
    If those prisoners were held w/o bail, trial, lawyer for 4 years? BTW, 'jails' typically can't hold anyone longer than a year. 'Prisons' are where you put major crime offenders. But the unAdmiral harry harris in charge of Gitmo says Gitmo is neither of those. 'Concentration camps' are where you put people you won't name, give trials to, allow counsel to, where the 'medical professionals' help the torturers concoct better scenarios to elicit whatever the torturers want to hear. No wonder they'd rather die than live like that. Seems like I recall real Americans saying they'd rather die on their feet than live on their knees. I wonder if it ever occured to the 101 screaming bedwetters that others might feel the same.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:59:21 PM EST
    Sailor- The insignia is perfect.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon May 29, 2006 at 10:02:37 PM EST
    Posted by Jondee May 29, 2006 09:20 PM That would be: "They define you so well." Look just because the shrub has bad grammer dosnt mean you have to. And "suicider" is definatly out, so you can stop parroting that one too.
    Are you honestly slammimg PPJ's "grammar"(it looks like a typo to me) by misspelling "grammar" as well as two other words?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2006 at 10:58:47 PM EST
    Fine. I'll use spell check and you keep holding out for thought check.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 30, 2006 at 06:31:38 AM EST
    JRT - Yes, that is what Jondee is doing. Jondee - Communication is understanding what the other person means. Now what you meant was: I can't think of anything to refute PPJ's point so I will try and change the subject. So, let us get back on the subject, which is that our hostess has posited that we should close Gitmo and send the prisoners home. My point is that of those we have released, at least 10 have been re-captured or killed while engaging in hostilities with the US and/or other allied forces. To bolster my point I have provided a link which provides names of the individuals and details of their post release activities. So it appears that we would be releasing a fair number of people who want nothing more than to get back in the fight to kill American and other troops. Now. Do you have anything to add, or do you just want to say I misspelled "thier?" Be my guest. Sailor - They are not American citizens. Now, if you want them tried in a US full up criminal court with all of the rules of evidence, say so. You and I both know that wouldn't work well for reasons I have mentioned before.... Evidence chains, etc. That seems to be your position. Do I understand correctlt that you will demand the same for all of the Marines caught up in the current allegations of murder?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Tue May 30, 2006 at 06:32:18 AM EST
    Thanks Squeaky, I was inspired;-)

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue May 30, 2006 at 09:01:52 AM EST
    Posted by Jondee May 29, 2006 11:58 PM Fine. I'll use spell check and you keep holding out for thought check.
    I don't care about your spelling, but please try to stay above the juvenile sniping. What should we do with prisoners of war in an ongoing war?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#22)
    by soccerdad on Tue May 30, 2006 at 09:50:35 AM EST
    What should we do with prisoners of war in an ongoing war?
    This is not directly relevant to this situation. One should remember that we are supposedly fighting a war on terrorism. One should do whatever is possible to undermine the terrorists. The conditions at Gitmo as described by former inmates are deplorable, torture has likely been done, and conditions are so bad that they would rather die than stay there. Besides being inhumane, its couterproductive because it supports the claims of the terrorists that America is an evil empire who has no regard for your life or well being. As such it, along with AG, are some of the best recruiting tools the terrorists have. Releasing the inmates will likely result in a number of them returning the ME and taking up arms against us. Keppingt them in Gitmo will cause even more recruits to join the terrorists. If you are to hold prisoners of war then hold them in reasonable conditions, invite international organizations such as the Red Cross to visit when ever they want and prove that the treatment is humane. So the Bushco policies are yet another gift to the terrorists of which there have been many.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Tue May 30, 2006 at 11:51:08 AM EST
    ppj - "The hostess dictates" isnt code for Jim can discuss the Fla recount and whether Bush ever told the truth about anything in his life, but everyone else must stay on topic and not respond to the-one-with-unlimited-lattitude's proddings. As to the conditions at Gitmo the prison should be stringently adhering to commonly recognized standards for humane treatment of the incarcerated which precludes torture and prisoner abuse and includes consistent international oversight. Again, we should be setting high standards for the rest of the world and not succumbing to the whims of robber hose wielding thugs from Blackwater.

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 30, 2006 at 02:44:03 PM EST
    Jondee writes:
    When we "bring democracy to Afghanistan" will candidates need to raise $200 mil war chests in order to be viable?
    That's on topic? No, but this is:
    My point is that of those we have released, at least 10 have been re-captured or killed while engaging in hostilities with the US and/or other allied forces.
    And your response?? Besides the off topic stuff..
    As to the conditions at Gitmo the prison should be stringently adhering to commonly recognized standards for humane
    What does that have to do with releasing prisoners?

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#25)
    by Johnny on Wed May 31, 2006 at 03:06:57 AM EST
    Roughly 10 percent of the hundreds of individuals who have been released from Guantanamo "have returned to fighting us in Afghanistan," Bellinger said.
    Source: Here For what it is worth...

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Wed May 31, 2006 at 04:00:42 AM EST
    PPJ...let's say some people kidnapped you and beat your ass for a couple years then let you go...all without an explanation. If you weren't fighting those people before, you probably would be after they let you go. I'm surprised it's only 10 percent. And I bet you that our creeps running this war are disapointed the percentage is so low. (Not that I believe a single damn word you or "the senior legal adviser to Condoleezza Rice" would ever spout outta your blowholes anyway)

    Re: Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Wed May 31, 2006 at 07:54:52 AM EST
    ppj - Have you taken over controlling ownership of this site? The topic is the hunger strike at Gitmo and its causes and repurcussions. But, feel free to reference the Fla recount, the towering Shrub of integrity, global warming and anything else. Its your site after all.

    Guantanamo Hunger Strikers Grow to 75 | 27 comments (27 topical)