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Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate

Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) spoke at the Massachussetts Democratic Convention last night:

"My vote against this misbegotten war is the best vote I have cast in the United States Senate since I was elected in 1962," Kennedy said. "And my call more than a year ago -- more than a year ago -- to bring our troops home is one of my proudest moments."

Kennedy said the U.S. presence in Iraq "inflames the insurgency. We are a crutch for an Iraqi government that needs to stand on its own."

He also told the delegates Democrats will win control of both houses of Congress this fall:

Americans aren't looking for big government or small government, liberal government or conservative government. They're looking most of all for competent government,"

[Via Think Progress.}

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    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 10:18:13 AM EST
    "They're looking most of all for competent government." That, would be a great start........

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#2)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 02:49:10 PM EST
    In comparison, bush's proudest moment as president was when he caught a fish in his private lake.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#3)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 03:19:17 PM EST
    Since ppj cant see Kennedy Airport mentioned, or listen to The Dead Kennedys without bringing it up and hijacking the thread, let me just pre-empt him by saying Chappaquidick. There. Now you wont have to trouble yourself Jim and everyone else can carry with a discussion focused on the prudence and morality of the Iraq invasion.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 04:30:45 PM EST
    Hijack away JRT. Hey, at least you're not a troll like Charlie. Rich people get away with things that other people dont. And you dont know the half of it because you havnt heard about half of it. If you dont like it devote yourself to the cause of establishing a truely just society.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimcee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 04:40:23 PM EST
    The Kopechne family could not be reached for comment. Trolls ahoy!

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#6)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 04:42:55 PM EST
    Some Libertarians paid 'em off. Theres speech you pay for and then theres silence you pay for.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 04:53:24 PM EST
    And you know that how? I knew the class angle wouldnt have any traction with you guys. After all we all want what they have dont we? They trickle down their benificence to us and make the world a better place.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 05:02:28 PM EST
    Why was Charlie booted again?

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 05:05:22 PM EST
    JRT-
    What I don't like is that he LEFT HER TO DIE!! She was still alive!
    your compassion for human life is not very convinving considering your hateful comments about others both living and dead. Would it lessen your rage if you knew that she would have voted for Clinton and been pro mexican immigrants? feel better now?

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 05:12:53 PM EST
    If he knew it for a fact, without a doubt.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 05:14:19 PM EST
    Squeaky - I guess I had to find out for myself that "preemption" dosnt work.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#12)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 06:00:32 PM EST
    Now that you mention it the piece of crap Teddy straight up killLET Hed Mary Jo Kopechne.
    ahh, but we didn't mention it. Is there a pattern? No WMDs- no problem torture at Gitmo- no problem Torture at Abu Ghraib- no problem Murdering Iraqis- no problem Clinton has a bj- BIG problem Kennedy is cleared of charges ... 30 years ago- BIG problem Shoot the messenger, for god's sake shoot the messenger ;-)

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#13)
    by Lww on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 06:36:10 PM EST
    The messenger matters doesn't it? I just don't get it. His credibility ended when he left that woman in the water, and lied about it. The arrogance of the Kennedys (the sense of entitlement) when Teddy ran for the Presidency in 1980, 11 yrs after the drowning, is just mind- boggling.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:04:21 PM EST
    The arrogance of the Kennedys (the sense of entitlement) ... is unbelievable. Nearly reaching the heights of arrogance of another guy. From Texas. Killed nearly a half a million Iraqis.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#15)
    by Patrick on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:05:26 PM EST
    To be fair, OJ will probably never live it down either. He'll always be on the quest to find the real murderer(s)

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#16)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:08:20 PM EST
    Once again, the wrongwingers can't dispute the content, so they attack the container.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:09:09 PM EST
    Patrick, yeah. I imagine OJ avoids mirrors like the plague. They say he's getting married again. He's decided to take another stab at it.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 07:16:17 PM EST
    Honest statement there Patrick. Ted Kennedy and OJ are equivalents. Police work at its best.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 09:19:31 PM EST
    Jondee - Liar.
    Since ppj cant see Kennedy Airport mentioned, or listen to The Dead Kennedys without bringing it up and hijacking the thread, let me just pre-empt him by saying Chappaquidick. There. Now you wont have to trouble yourself Jim and everyone else can carry with a discussion focused on the prudence and morality of the Iraq invasion.
    Now. If you can show me 10 links where I have brought up Kennedy's terrible actions I will contribute $20. to TL. Show me 5 and I'll kick in $10. Your turn, big nouth.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 09:29:35 PM EST
    Kennedy: Americans aren't looking for big government or small government, liberal government or conservative government. They're looking most of all for competent government,"
    Think about it: George W. Bush has created such enormous and intense antagonism among 48% of the Nation that they are unanimously opposed to him and counting the days until they come out in gigantic numbers to end one party government in America. George W Bush has created such widespread disapproval among politically independent Americans that they want change in numbers approaching 80%. With disapproval now growing among conservatives, the way of the Bush and Rove response is living proof of the core reason that he may remembered in history for a catastrophically failed Presidency and a long term disaster for his Party. ... What kind of leaders send our troops to battle, unconscionably, so lacking in armor protection and equipment that the Marine Corps pathologist concludes, in the third year of the war, that 70% of the casualties were preventable? And then allow some of our wounded troops to return home and be charged for their sacrifice, and then pursued by debt collectors because they cannot afford to pay, and then be victimized by a Veterans Administration led by a former Republican Chairman that falls dramatically short of serving our heroes while creating the mammoth violation of privacy of veterans in the history of computers? ... And what is the response of Bush and Rove? When they are not demonizing the gays, they are waving the flag, preparing to challenge the patriotism of political opponents who prefer supporting those who wear that flag on their shoulder to using the flag as a partisan weapon in the endless political wars that will be the sad legacy of those who never learned that we are, indeed, in this together. June 03, 2006 Brent Budowsky: Election 2006: For Whom The Bell Tolls [via The Washington Note]


    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 10:49:44 PM EST
    control of both houses of Congress this fall:
    2006 will be an Americanism election, the kind of country we are, the kind people we aspire to be, the kind of democratic values and institutions we must honor, the spirit of mutual respect and tolerance and shared purpose and patriotism that is the common trust of every man and woman gifted by God to be born in this land we genuinely and passionately love. Our answer to the status quo is this: this land is truly your land, it is truly our land, it is the land not of Republicans or Democrats, not of liberals or conservatives, not of partisans or ideologues. America is the land of that Lady who holds up the torch... --Brent Budowsky


    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 12:17:10 AM EST
    Chickenhawkus Americanus has his depends in a bunch I see. Jim, I'll do you one better, show me a couple of posts where you didnt refer to him as "the swimmer" or say Chappaquidick.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 12:36:52 AM EST
    "Terrible actions." Funny, Ive never seen him describe the gunning down and blowing up of Iraqi civilians, or torture or going to war on false pretences as "terrible" or "horrible" or anything remotely similar. Like divine providence, the marvelous ends pursued by the Right transcend common morality.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#24)
    by roger on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 04:00:00 AM EST
    These wingers remind me of Stalin. One dead body is a crime, millions are a statistic.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 04:41:49 AM EST
    "Now. If you can show me 10 links where I have brought up Kennedy's terrible actions I will contribute $20. to TL." there's 1, just 4 more to find.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 11:45:16 AM EST
    Conjecture and venom — over an accident that happened almost 40 years ago. How pathetic. Where is the same venom for George Bush, who has destroyed countless thousands of lives over a lie? Fact is, Kennedy has been the champion of the working man and woman for his entire career. That is what the venom is about. And Bush has been the champion of the wealthy.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#27)
    by Patrick on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 02:41:25 PM EST
    They say he's getting married again. He's decided to take another stab at it.
    . Ouch....
    Ted Kennedy and OJ are equivalents. Police work at its best.
    Squeaky, Yup, probabaly could have been better in both cases. Prosecution in the latter as well. It's nice the have the luxory of hindsight isn't it?

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 04:56:36 PM EST
    You may be honest at work but you are not honest here. I talked to the forensic scientist who worked for his defense team. He was both sure that OJ was guilty and sure that the prosecutor had no case. The OJ murder trial was botched by serious mishandling the evidence by the police. Kennedy on the other hand clearly had no intent in the car accident that resulted in the death of his girlfriend. Whether or not he could of saved her is only speculation at this point. Your comparison shows that you readily play politics over honesty. Hope that you do not do that on the job. In case you somehow did not follow the cases closely and are just repeating a meme from the wingnut echo chamber here are the Wikipedia links to both cases. OJ Chappaquiddick If you see these as similar cases I feel sorry for those you may testify against in court. You are either dishonest or have very poor judgement.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#29)
    by Patrick on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 06:29:07 PM EST
    Ahhh Squeaskter, The person with all the answers. Good for you. Kennedy had no intent? Well in your infinite wisdom, you must know that intent is the most difficult aspect to prove. hard to get into the mind of the person. I think it's more accurate to say we don't know if he had intent or not. BTW, You have no idea of how honest or not I am. Any statement by you, regardless of which side it comes down on is simply talking out your a$$. Which you seem quite good at. BTW, DUI is a general intent not specific intent crime.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 06:40:09 PM EST
    Oh please. Thats beyond absurd. Yeah, we know you dont like liberals, but are you seriously suggesting that he may have intentionally driven that car off the bridge or let the girl drown intentionally when the result of either course would be unmitigated disaster? C'mon Patrick, give it up.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 06:43:37 PM EST
    BTW, You have no idea of how honest or not I am.
    I do know that you have compared the OJ case and Kennedy case as similar examples of murderers getting off scott free. I also know that you profess to be honest in a profession where honesty seems a scarce commodity even a liability. Comparing OJ and Kennedy is wingnit hackery at best and, if you truly belive that they are comprable, at worst, utterly dishonest.
    Any statement by you, regardless of which side it comes down on is simply talking out your a$$.
    I guess that settles that Mr. Honesty.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#32)
    by Patrick on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 06:48:14 PM EST
    I didn't compare the cases, you did. All I said was I'll bet OJ won't escape the stigma of his close connection to an unresolved case either. I agreed with your comment that both could have been better handled by the police investigating them. Like I said, talk is cheap.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 07:08:04 PM EST
    I didn't compare the cases, you did. All I said was I'll bet OJ won't escape the stigma of his close connection to an unresolved case either.
    I am glad that you do not see the two cases as comparable. It is understandable that in the heat of political rhetoric you may have said something that you do not really believe, but you did in fact make the comparison even if it was a bit oblique. Character assassination often works this way. It is called innuendo. Yellow journalists do it all the time. Your comment was more than innuendo. Glad that you are retracting it. That sort of thing, if left uncorrected, only diminishes ones integrity, something you truly seem to value.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#34)
    by Sailor on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 07:26:28 PM EST
    The messenger matters doesn't it?
    No, truth matters, it doesn't matter who speaks it.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#35)
    by Patrick on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 08:35:34 AM EST
    Glad that you are retracting it. That sort of thing, if left uncorrected, only diminishes....
    Hard to retract a statement you didn't make. But if it makes you feel better.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 09:01:55 AM EST
    Patrick-
    Hard to retract a statement you didn't make. But if it makes you feel better.
    So much for honesty. Your integrity just went down the toilet. The thread is about Kennedy's speech. You brought up the OJ murder case as a comparison to Kennedys troubles with Chappaquiddick. Just an arbitrary non sequitur? I think not. After JRT, LWW and jimcee hijacked the thread with claims that Kennedy intentionally murdered Kopechne you couldn't help yourself by chiming in:
    To be fair, OJ will probably never live it down either. He'll always be on the quest to find the real murderer(s)
    At least the other trolls are honest about their intent to smear Kennedy. Not you. That is because you are just an innocent commenter who likes to throw lit matches on a pool of gasoline and then run. Coward.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 10:10:53 AM EST
    The only thing they have in common is that to a varying degree they both lend further creedance to the hypothesis of the fabled emmollient qualities of money and connections. Cest La Vie.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 10:24:10 AM EST
    Now lets not hear anymore rancid Rush puke about "the Kennedy name" and "the liberal media". Thats the cloud of b.s that that hypocrite junkie hides behind because he knows he skated using the same methodology Kennedy did.

    Re: Ted Kennedy's Proudest Moment in Senate (none / 0) (#39)
    by Patrick on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 11:08:47 AM EST
    You brought up the OJ murder case as a comparison to Kennedys troubles with Chappaquiddick. Just an arbitrary non sequitur? I think not.
    I was not the first to bring up OJ in this thread. But once again, your opinion of my integrity is hardly something I'm worried about.