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Sunday Night Comment Spats

By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 10:30:43 PM EST
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We got quite a few visitors this weekend from far right weblogs critical of my Zarqawi and Guantanamo coverage. Commenters from these sites have come over here on the attack. They insult, call other commenters and liberals names and post multiple trashy comments with the intent of dominating the discussion. They also have riled up some of TalkLeft's regular ommenters who have begun to respond in kind. I don't have the time or the interest in playing traffic cop.

Deleting individual comments takes too long. What I've done is delete all comments for Sunday (and some from Saturday) -- both those of the unwelcome visitors and the TL commenters who stepped over the line. The most insulting and chattering of the righties have been banned.

Memo to all commenters: Keep it civil and lose the hostility and the name-calling. This is my site, not yours and it's going to be run on my terms, not yours. And don't lecture me on the First Amendment. I'm not the government.

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    Sunday Night Comment Spats | 64 comments (64 topical)
    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 11:18:28 PM EST
    The good news is, if you riled up the Right, you're doing something right.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 12:50:15 AM EST
    Hard questions asked of Guantanamo; Zarqawi's death: A contrived show? These threads on TalkLeft, Not sadly bereft, Of propagandists & trolls...Jeralyn says go. straight shootin', TL...Al Swearengen himself couldn't have brought down a more swift hammer. on the subject of housekeeping, have you thought about a weekly Deadwood OT? Are you hip to it? Swearengen's cunning and brinksmanship makes Tony Soprano look like a rank amateur. the show itself is a brutal and fascinating comment on the politics of crime and corruption at the founding of the western states, and particularly the violent history of pure unbridled capitalism. even then. grist for the mill.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#3)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 02:05:08 AM EST
    Thanks.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#4)
    by aw on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 03:39:22 AM EST
    I missed all the fun.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#5)
    by HK on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 04:01:44 AM EST
    Well said, ProzacNation. I'm all for a colourful discussion, but when people start citing erroneous facts or raising straw man points, it gets tedious. You may as well read a tabloid instead of log on. Thanks TL for cleaning up.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#6)
    by Aaron on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 04:38:00 AM EST
    Yeah baby, lay down the law! That's the only way you can run a blog these days anyway, with the smack down. ------------------------------- My adaptation of the 1980s Queensryche song Empire, to reflect the current Crusade. [Next message saved Saturday 9:24 p.m.] "I'm sorry... I'm just... it's starting to hit me like a uhmm, uhmm, 2-ton heavy thing..." Last night the word came down, 24 dead in Hiditha town Innocent, their only crime was being in the wrong place, at the wrong time Too bad, people say what's wrong with those US kids today Tell you right now they've got nothing to lose. They're building EMPIRE! Hassan used to work after school at the cinema show. Gotta hustle if he wants an education he's got a long way to go. Now he's out on the street all day pushing propaganda for the people who pay Got an AK-47 for his best friend business the American way. East-side meets West-side downtown.. No time, the walls fall down Can't you feel it coming? EMPIRE! Can't you hear it calling? Muslims and Christians, trapped again. hold their chains in their hands. Brother killing brother for the profit of another, Game point, nobody wins. Decline, right on time. What happened to the dream sublime? Tear it all down, we'll put it up again. Another EMPIRE? East-side meets West-side. No time, no line, the walls fall down. Can't you feel it coming? EMPIRE! Can't you hear it coming EMPIRE! Can't someone here STOP IT...??!!

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 04:57:06 AM EST
    Translation: I deleted everything I disagreed with, so now it's a complete echo chamber.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#8)
    by HK on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 05:01:23 AM EST
    I think Jeralyn has made herself clear, JR: if you don't like it, take your bat and your ball and go home.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#9)
    by Joseph Hughes on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 05:37:55 AM EST
    You weren't the only one. I posted a story about the Ann Coulter Republicans and, as expected, the response was amazing. Amazingly, predictably bad.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 05:41:22 AM EST
    Your first responsibility is to the community of people who are part of the ongoing "conversation" at this site. Expecting people to show a minimum of respect for community members has nothing to do with the First Amendment...it has to do with human decency. Recently I've had to tell several commenters at my site to "get lost."

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 05:54:25 AM EST
    Ed & Joseph, do you guys get the feeling that the trolling this past few days is unusual and somewhat organized?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 06:15:46 AM EST
    Edgar, I was thinking that the invasion of the "right-wing crazies" had something to do with a full moon. Not a scientific explanation...but it's the best I can come up with at this time.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 06:25:37 AM EST
    Ed, I suspect they are feeling the pressure now, and their anxiety re November has ratcheted up through a bit of a phase change to the 'see the whites of their eyes' level. Or, to mix metaphors, the sun is over their shoulders and they can see the shadow of the noose on the deck in front of them...

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 06:29:31 AM EST
    The Plague Of The Bush Apologists

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 06:46:43 AM EST
    I believe that much of the reason that the so-right-their-wrong nuts vandalize liberal sites is that many of the right wing blogs do not allow for reader comments. So even if you wipe out some comments on this site, you still permit much broader communication than the right-wingers.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#16)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 06:54:49 AM EST
    Good call, TL. I had the same reaction to Sunday's comments.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:05:58 AM EST
    Sadly I missed all the excitement. But I applaud TL for not letting a good site with (for the most part) fair discussion descend into sniping and name-calling. A bit of understanding and acknowledgement of differing perspectives goes a long way.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#18)
    by orionATL on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:13:27 AM EST
    yahoo. well said to both parties! the point of comments, i think, should be stating strongly felt opinion, arguments pro and con,and counterarguments not games of verbal dominance. it aggravates me considerably when right wingers come to a site with the obvious intent of being disruptive of discourse, procede to say any preposterous thing that comes to mind to bait the well-intentioned commenters and then some of those commenters, in turn, begin an interminable verbal arm-wrestling match with the right wing sappers. this is a fool's game which i find intolerably tedious and which makes commenting a waste of time and no fun at all.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#19)
    by roger on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:19:58 AM EST
    Glad to see some of the psychos are gone. I will remember them the next time someone complains about PPJ. Jim, we love you, even as we gripe about your opinions. We'll save you yet!

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:25:24 AM EST
    Jim is our resident Annakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. There is still good in him, he has not been totally consumed by the dark side of the force.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:26:12 AM EST
    Personally I think there truly is something not right with anyone who supports The Bush Administration in any way or form.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#22)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:26:36 AM EST
    I'm surprised I didn't get banned myself with those little one-handed, kleenex holding typists running around here. Maybe Chuck E Cheese was closed this weekend. Thanks JM.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#23)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:32:31 AM EST
    Edger - re organized troll comments I got the same feeling, too. A lot of the crap that was being posted was so long that it took entirely too much time to work up in the context of commenting. In other words, I think a lot of the trolls have some minions slaving away in a cubicle farm somewhere, churning out stuff (that's spelled c-r-a-p) that always seems to wind up blaming Clin-ton for all that The Unitary Decider has done. Then, I speculate, the trolls just cut and paste whatever they think they can get away with; there are very few who can think and type that quickly, especially while munching Cheetos. It's not that much different from Captain Jenks phony-phone-calling Larry King to make a Howard Stern comment/plug (to Larry's chagrin and the screener's pink slip), but it does seem organized.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#24)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:35:46 AM EST
    Oh, I meant to mention - stop by Jesus' General and check out the You tube (currently the third post from the top). F'g insane.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#25)
    by desertswine on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:42:24 AM EST
    I got the same feeling, too. A lot of the crap that was being posted was so long that it took entirely too much time to work up in the context of commenting.
    My feelings too. This has happened before and I always think "young republicans." Has summer school started yet?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#26)
    by Slado on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:45:10 AM EST
    I see my post is still up so I must not have been one of the offenders. What happened last night?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:46:37 AM EST
    Good call, I look forward to the intellect restored to the debate.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:49:30 AM EST
    scribe: A lot of the crap that was being posted was so long that it so long that it took entirely too much time to work up in the context of commenting. Yes, surely. 'Premeditated' was the word I had on the tip my tongue. And organized swarming, a la 'gangbangers'.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#29)
    by Dusty on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 08:02:41 AM EST
    I hate wingnut's so I am glad I missed it. Off Topic, but any thoughts on Leopolds newest writeup at Truthout regarding a sealed vs. sealed indictment?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#30)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 08:34:23 AM EST
    dusty A link would be helpful.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 08:49:06 AM EST
    In other words, I think a lot of the trolls have some minions slaving away in a cubicle farm somewhere, churning out stuff (that's spelled c-r-a-p) that always seems to wind up blaming Clin-ton for all that The Unitary Decider has done
    In a nutshell, wasn't that Winston Smith's job in "1984"?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:02:12 AM EST
    Here is the Jason Leopold article dusty mentioned.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#33)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:12:37 AM EST
    I went over and read both Leopold's article and Marc Ash's article on 06cr0128. That's the docket number of the Sealed v. Sealed case Leopold's writing about. Ash is, as before, presenting a "What we know, what we believe" article, being very careful. Opinion: I don't think there's any way of knowing, absent access to the sealed papers themselves (which I don't have) what "Sealed v. Sealed" is all about. That the caption is abnormal is an accurate statement, but one comes across "Anonymous v. Anonymous" cases all the time in family and matrimonial courts. That "Sealed v. Sealed" bears a criminal ("cr") docket number is the only reason it has received any attention. I don't know how Leopold can support the contention it's a GJ indictment, other than thru his unnamed source. So, I guess we'll just have to wait on that. Moreover, the PACER would likely show something about any motion to partially unseal to show the putative defendant, so absent additional proof or sourcing, I'm agnostic on that. Conclusion: Maybe he's on to something (I'm inclined to believe that), but for now, it's just as likely to be pot-stirring on the day of a scheduling conference in the Libby case. All the cards are too close to the vests to say otherwise.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:13:52 AM EST
    Leopold implies, just by way of publishing the new article, that the sealed v sealed case number "06 cr 128." is Rove's indictment. He does not spell it out, but given his now nototious Rove indictment piece, it is clearly implied.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:24:02 AM EST
    Folks, Another Marine accused of murder. There's really something not normal about these people. Click the pic for video.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:27:32 AM EST
    they should remember that they are in danger of being used for someone else's purposes. Politicans are experts at telling you what you want to hear... and doing what they want.
    Spoken by one whose job it is to repeat the talking points and slogans of the Bush administration. He knows what he is talking about for once.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:32:31 AM EST
    Sounds like I missed all the fun too!

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:10:50 AM EST
    Stephen_M: Ilario Pantano was accused of murder quite some time ago. Falsely accused. And acquitted. You could at least look at wikipedia.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:24:03 AM EST
    IMO, there was nothing "fun" about what had been taking place in the comments section. In the past, I read the posts and the comments. Lately, I have been skipping the comments entirely. Not only were they valueless, but the detracted from the important job of shaking out the finer points. This type of behavior puts the site's at risk of becoming irrelevant. Please, don't let this happen.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:35:48 AM EST
    Phil Smith, Yes. I know. I have known for some time. I still contend this man is not normal. Men like this fall outside the bounds of normal standards. It's a takes-one-to-know-one kinda thing. Know what I'm sayin'?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:43:34 AM EST
    No, Stephen, I don't know what you're saying, since you haven't done anything but hand-wave. Make your point.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:48:24 AM EST
    Is there a tabulater somewhere that hands out cookies depending on how many times a commentator can manage to pejorativly mention "the Left" in their posts? One has to wonder when a person keeps posting The Left-should-realize-that-the Lefts-constant-attacks-only-prove-that-the Left-hates-Bush type of statements, which seem to point to the expression of some kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder, or a habitual passive-aggressivness that the commentator, through some egocentric sense of entitlement, feels justified in giving constant vent to. Either way, considering the fact that this is a left-leaning site, what it amounts to is a perpetual troll that will always eventually elicit a hostile responce particularly when the commentator is continually substituting heavy-handed loose defintions for the kind of analysis and discussion that the site seems to strive for.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 11:00:51 AM EST
    The Left should-realize-that-the Lefts-hatred-for-Bush isnt a cogent, relevant comment of any kind, muddies and distracts from the discussion, and is an example of the kind of mob mentality that wants to substitute bumperstickers for thought.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 11:10:24 AM EST
    Site rules say no personal attack, So grrrrrr it is from this old hack. If I did write, Words that slight. Would only have to take them back. Raoul, How are ye? We are on the same page concerning Deadwood, what a great show, that's how all western movies should be made. They have come a long way since Alan Ladd and his bunch, in fact it's the best thing to come out of America since those two young babes sat on the stage on the Gong Show and sucked the bejaesus out of a couple of popsicles. If you're not old enough to remember ask your Da. Lovely words you wrote when I went on my hols. Very touched.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#46)
    by cpinva on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 11:17:39 AM EST
    gee, i sort of had fun with the twits. of course, they were low hanging fruit.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#48)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 12:11:30 PM EST
    OW: Funny you should mention "The Gong Show"; that movie "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" (about Chuck Barris) is on the tube currently - ran last night and I'm sure they;ll run it again, soon. I used to watch the Gong during my lunch break in college; f'g hilarious and amazing (in retrospect) that any of that got on network TV. Someone should just put reruns of that up (if only so we can listen to the Dobsons scream). Any idea whether any of that video has made it to the web?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 01:16:02 PM EST
    Scribe. If you go here and type gong show in the search there is a rake of stuff. Untill you mentioned the possibility of it being on the web, I have never thought to search for it. I shall not watch it tonight but save save it for a rainy afternoon. I may even buy a bottle of rye whisky and wallow in nostalgia. It was 1974 when last I trod the soil of the North American continent. If you want a small tip; when you are visiting various web sites that show clips of whatever, copy and paste the host site of the video clip provider to a folder, there be no end of bits and bobs that you can search for. Enjoy.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 01:44:34 PM EST
    Reminds me of the worst cut-up in the class who starts immediatly lecturing the other kids when the teacher walks in. lol

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 03:19:20 PM EST
    Roger - I feel the love... kdog - Talk about damning with faint praise. kdog...kdog...Come over... ;-) Actually though, I don't think there are people writing copy for the "trolls of the Right," no more than there is for the "trolls of the Left." There are a lot of sites and all they have to do is go from one to another and pick up information. One sides "talking points" is the other's learned comment. There does appear to be less and less room for those of us who are closer to the middle. And that I find sad. [remainder off topic and deleted]

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 04:06:17 PM EST
    I think that many of the trolls are so frightened of the current administration that they want to be documented as avid supporters to keep safe. I know a man, who is usually reasonable, who jumps through hoops to excuse the awfulness caused by these creeps; shrugs his shoulders, says every top civilization has done this and its our turn now, death toll be damned, and he's started living like there is no tomorrow, and forwarding really offensive right wing talking points... the latest being a big graphic that says "Why do I have to press one for English?" The stuff hits their email boxes within minutes of its creation and it doesn't take any longer than a day for the company line to be spread among those wishing to make points with the power elite. It's existential terror being poked daily that drives these people to come use their maladaptive coping mechanisms on us. They think becoming harder in their weakness is real strength. Put not too bright together with really scared, and you get Rabid Troll. There should be a therapy blog for them, and I am SO grateful this is not it. Thank you for sparing my nerves, Jeralyn.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#52)
    by SherAn on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 04:35:49 PM EST
    Good for you, Jeralyn, and thanks. The trolls add nothing to the commentary.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#53)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 05:09:23 PM EST
    Oscar, de nada. always a pleasure to read your prose, one hack to another. the Gong Show? what manner of stimulant are you in the throes of (and where can i get some?) what paddles you helter skelter down the stream of your consciousness, from high-brow drama Deadwood, the the lowest of Lunchmeat Television, namely The Gong Show? been spending too much time among the Celestials? Not enough, perhaps? ah yes, but my young ears would soon enough connect the dotsto learn of Count Basie from watching the ubiquitous "Gene-Gene, The Dancing Machine" make an appearance when things got slow. Trivia: Was he ever Gonged? as for Swearengen, i think he is almost as fun to watch as T. Soprano, and possibly smarter. the man is debauched beyond recognition, yet maintains a strong vigil over his holdings and interests. he would have made a fine senator. asked Jeralyn for a Deadwood OT...no reply as yet. perhaps we could begin a united front? onward...

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#54)
    by jimcee on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 06:59:42 PM EST
    I thought things were only mildly out of hand yesterday afternoon but apparently it must have deteriorated later on. I hope I didn't add too much kindling to the coals. That being said there does seem to be many here who will throw out the troll epithet when they are at a loss for a response. If you disagree with someone and you think you are correct then a good argument is so much better than trite invective whether the respondent is Con, Lib, libertarian or progressive. Just ask charlie don't #*&f. I've always felt that Ms Merrit has run a tight ship and she shouldn't be swarmed because of her posts. Best, Jim

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#55)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 07:03:32 PM EST
    Raoul, I don't watch Deadwood or Entourage or the polygamist show, so you're on your own for a weekly thread on it. Sorry!

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#56)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 08:14:20 PM EST
    TL, for all you provide, how can one ask for more? forgive my insistence, but if you like to follow low crimes in high places (or high crimes in low places...) see it for yourself. Big Love is just...creepy, and Entourage I have never bothered with. perhaps you are savoring a free Sunday night or two without the gravitational pull of HBO for the rest of the summer? good on you, then.... respectfully, RD

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:58:19 PM EST
    Squeaky wrote:
    Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America PAC sent a letter
    Given that they also wrote:
    We support diplomatic efforts and policies that are consistent with our values and interests as Americans. Displaying arrogance in diplomatic affairs, disregarding the world community and condoning torture are examples of actions that are irreconcilable with those values. In a world where America is battling for hearts and minds, we reject policies that jeopardize our international standing and therefore damage the interests of the nation as a whole
    I think we can write them off as just another Leftie site. Really not interesting enough to bother with. But please do so if you want. No accounting for tastes, eh?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#58)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:25:43 PM EST
    I think we can write them off as just another Leftie site. Really not interesting enough to bother with.
    Jim, for all the the time you spend on a blog that has the word "Left" on it's masthead, how are we to believe you would "write off" any "Leftie" site as "not interesting enough"? methinks you are a self-hating Republican.
    "Truly I was born to be an example of misfortune, and a target at which the arrows of adversary are aimed"
    Don Quixote

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#59)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 12:07:23 AM EST
    ppj - And what bizarre passive-aggressive instinct compels you to think you're taken seriously when you link to Powerline and NewsMax to explain every Rightie position (most) that you cant defend yourself?

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#60)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 12:32:26 AM EST
    "I think we (I) can write them off as another Leftie site" Oh and do tell us again how two time Medal of Honor winner Gen. Smedley Butler was "just another Leftie in the military" cuz he disagreed with you. Thats the kind of argumentation a person presents when they dont know what to think until they're told what to think.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 12:52:00 AM EST
    Hence the endless parade "Rightie" links that you expect everyone else to take seriously. You're in on the grandtroll clause.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#62)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 02:11:23 AM EST
    Raoul. A show for the times; The "Gong Show" and trivia.
    "Gene-Gene, The Dancing Machine" make an appearance when things got slow. Trivia: Was he ever Gonged?
    Not at all at all. Given the "Professionalism" of the show he probably had another six jobs off camera.
    what manner of stimulant are you in the throes of
    Moi?
    the man is debauched beyond recognition, yet maintains a strong vigil over his holdings and interests. he would have made a fine senator.
    I quite agree, we don't know that he doesn't.
    been spending too much time among the Celestials?
    Ah, the celestials, now doesn't that bring a little bit of scribbling to mind. Written in Northern English vernacular with a biteeen of the Irish thrown in. I hope Jeralyn will indulge me. TOWING A YOKE I got the job where most all jobs is got; in the pub. Would I ship aboard a trawler going to France, and tow a boat back. Giving it a bitteen of thought, and not wanting the sole company of two Other men, I says "If Herself can come, you're on" "It's a bit rough on board" says the skipper. "Sure she'll grand, not a problem" So off we sets, it were fair lumpy day, thought to me self I'm glad Herself's with me, at least we can keep the bunk warm. There's nothing much to do on those kind of jobs, it's all steaming. Skipper weren't up to much, he were a Kiwi, I think he'd Been to one of them antipodean charm schools, but that's another story. Next day, it were glorious, so we thought we'd soak up some rays. We dragged the mattresses up onto the foredeck, just in front of the wheelhouse, it were the only place you could sunbathe. Well Herself, not bein' one for false modesty, or bikini tops, Gets ragged off, and its tits out for the lads. Well I might be a bit biased, but she's a fair bonny lass, and I'm Sure lads in wheelhouse agreed wi' me. It must have made watch keeping a bit more interesting. In fact if it weren't for autopilot, I don't think boat would have ever got where It were s'posed to. But got there we did, and made ready the tow for next day. Well Herself had brought her glad rags, so we hit the town And got her lit. Herself with her long tanned legs n all glittery, she looked a million Dollars, and I felt like one. What's all this got to wi' stars? Well as the Manx say, "Tra d lor" it's a bit like manyana, only no where near as urgent, "Time enough" So off we sets back with this yoke in tow, now for them of you that Don't know what a yoke is, well it's a grand Irish word, and if you does a bit of writing , then it's a right handy one to have. A yoke is anything, a big yoke, a small yoke, a grand yoke altogether, You gets the idea. One crystal clear night, there's Herself and Himself, that's me, Sat on a couple of fish boxes on the blunt end off this old yoke We were sailing on. And there it were, in all it's glory, the Milky Way. It just blew us away, I just haven't got the words in me to describe it. It were like we were little atoms, no them little things inside 'em. Them neutrons or protons or what ever there called. We were speechless, it were a wonder we'll never forget. It were some time later, I couldn't get this sight out of me head. And then didn't a few little lines appear, just like magic, and them lines were these. Delight the night For hidden by day Delight the night We sailed the Milky Way Our chariot of rust and rattles Our space ship on the sea. (pasted from Microsoft Word.)

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#63)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 08:13:14 AM EST
    I think we can write them off as just another Leftie site
    ppj's support of our troops turns out to be as bogus as his 'military experience'. Veterans want ppj's nutjob friend, Curt Weldon, to stop lying about Saddam's WMD's. Yes the same fake WMD's that got us into the war to begin with. Weldon, and ppj would gladly spill more american soldiers' blood just to boost the poll numbers of Bush, or help with the upcoming elections. Soldiers are just political props for these guys.
    Sounds like this letter may have just as well been addressed to ppj.
    He can join Weldon and Hitchens on a trip to Iraq to go find them. Weldon knows exactly where they are.
    Congressmen Weldon stated if we go to Iraq and locate the WMD it would help with the upcoming election
    link Chicken Hawk Weldon, who avoided the Vietnam War, and PPJ hate our troops and have contempt for veterans.

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#64)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 05:22:26 PM EST
    Oscar,
    Don't know what a yoke is, well it's a grand Irish word, and if you does a bit of writing , then it's a right handy one to have.
    surely you must be yoking! i'll get me coat.... "I'm up in the clouds, I'm up in the clouds, and I can't, can't come down..." Radiohead

    Re: Sunday Night Comment Spats (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:33:29 PM EST
    Well I do remember that the first expressed thought from Mr."Support the Troops" about the first group of young men who reportedly refused an order was "seventeen ropes for seventeen necks." Their support for the troops is about as substantial as their grasp of the concept of democracy.

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