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Posted on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 08:58:21 AM EST
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The House of Representatives copped out again.

In a vote charged with election-year politics, the U.S. House of Representatives on Friday passed a symbolic resolution that wrapped the Iraq conflict into the war on terrorism and rejected a deadline for U.S. troop withdrawal.

The war on terror is not the war in Iraq. 2,500 American troops have died. Instead of instilling the fear of terrorism in the heart of every American, it's time to instill grief at the loss of life and the failure of our misguided U.S. policy in Iraq.

Here's the roll call vote. Set a deadline and bring the troops home.

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    House Passes Symbolic War Resolution | 56 comments (56 topical)
    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#2)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 09:19:48 AM EST
    Why do I suspect the forty-odd Dems who crossed over are in good stead with AIPAC and the war profiteers? Because I'm not a braindead,spoonfed,mainstream media zombie. You gotta love the congressmen who stand there (with a straight face) and tell us the reason we should continue is because "the troops want to keep fighting." How do they sleep at night?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#3)
    by DonS on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 09:22:01 AM EST
    . . . 42 dems voted "yes" I believe. This most hollow of resolutions, plumped up like a fat T-ball for all the Thugs to whack at. Truly impressive exercise in meaningless legislative activity aimed solely at the mid-term elections. I can't imagine it will change one persons mind or vote among the elctorate unless, that is, for those who wake up to the fact that the thugs treat the people's legislature like their personal PR agency to insure their continued ability to suck at the public teat. Disclaimer: politicians will be politician's, I have little respect for any. But this instant display rang so hollow anyone should be repulsed.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#4)
    by Patrick on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 09:26:23 AM EST
    Here's the roll call from the vote. I'm very suprised to find Nancy Pelosi in the nea column.....

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#5)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 09:38:10 AM EST
    You'd have to conclude that the BIGGEST hypocrites are the original warmongers,now with a clear conscience(lmao)voting nay on this joke of a resolution.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#6)
    by Patrick on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 09:40:38 AM EST
    Dang, aren't I redundant....I didn't see the link.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 09:51:29 AM EST
    The Dems are crying about the Right not playing fair. Quit whining! If they don't know how the Right operates by now and can't deal with it, maybe they shouldn't run the country in war time. Pitiful. No surprise either, since they were suckered into approving this war from the git go.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:08 AM EST
    One of the true signs of character is admitting a mistake. One of the true signs of stupidity is the failure to admit a mistake, and to keep on making it. Yep, congress is full of morons with no character.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#9)
    by desertswine on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 10:17:46 AM EST
    ...the U.S. House of Representatives on Friday passed a symbolic resolution...
    Symbolic of their crass and blatant hypocrisy.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 10:25:09 AM EST
    They don't care how many other people's kids have to die in order for them not to lose face.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#11)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 10:35:18 AM EST
    Pn, nobody was "suckered" into voting for this war. For some it was a vote compelled by fear( fear of losing their precious incumbency) or plain ol greed. For others such as the Zionists and Evangelical wackos, it was a vote for Israel and The Holy War. Haven't you heard? It's in revelations people!

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 11:26:15 AM EST
    Slightly off topic here, but one is compelled to wonder, in the face of this spectacle of bend-over-rubberstamping by the Republicans, just how their Patron Saint Nino of Scalia feels. Yesterday, five senators proposed going along with the proposed amnesty for insurgents, which had been to give amnesty so long as their insurgent attacks had been against 'murcan soldiers. They made some interesting statements. Then, the minister's aide who proposed this, got fired, leaving these senators hanging (A fine place!). Nino, you might remember, opined in a speech to a law school audience (before the argument in Hamdan) that there was no way the folks in Gitmo should receive proper trials - that they were dangerous and so on and so forth. His final justification? These folks had been shootin' at his son (an army lawyer who's served in Iraq) or soldiers like him. How does he feel about the proposed amnesty that these Repug senators like(d) so much? And, if it's good enough for the guys shootin' at soldiers like his son, why isn't it good enough for the guys at Gitmo, who haven't shot at 'murcan soldiers but had the misfortune to be sold by bounty hunters?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#14)
    by Andreas on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 11:36:28 AM EST
    At least as revealing is the result of this senate vote: "H.R. 4939 (Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Hurricane Recovery, 2006)" Not a single Democrat voted against that act!

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 12:04:40 PM EST
    Does anybody else feel nausea? Or is it just me?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 12:54:35 PM EST
    The war on terror is not the war in Iraq
    Absolutly right. In fact...the war in Iraq is a war FOR terror. Bottom line, the war has led to an increase in terrorism. It creates terror, spreads terror...downright terrible.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 01:11:44 PM EST
    Patrick-Why are you surprised at Pelosi's nay? link

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#18)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 01:33:52 PM EST
    Pelosi's not one of those hyper-hypocrite sleazeballs in politics today, and we're poles apart on everything. Has it ever been this bad? Maybe when Mark Twain was writing about them, or in the twenties? Freakin hard to watch.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 03:27:10 PM EST
    When I went to school, way back in tha 50s/60s, we were taught all of tha definitions of any word in tha lexicon of human speech that we Americans call Webster's. We were also taught that when considering political speech, tha 3rd and 4th definitions were tha most compelling, as far truth could be measured. rhetoric - 3. a. Affectation, grandiloquence, or insincerity in speech or writing. b. Speech or writing that is impressive or persuasive, BUT often insincere or empty. I watched tha debate (sic.)on C-Span, from tha Repubs I heard over and over and over again tha same rhetorical punditry that we have heard since Fearless Leader and his neo-cons and cronies have said since they switched tha Mission from Osama and Al-Queda to war profiteering ( ifn yall think Duke Cunningham is an isolated act, I have some 'waterfront land' for sale). I learned some new facts and details from listening to Congressman Murtha today, not rhetoric. It saddens me that tha party I was born into has turned into such a collection of P.T. Barnums. I'm speaking of tha liberal party I was born into....tha Republican Party before tha 'White Flight' by those Democrats that fled their party after that brave man and President Lyndon B. Johnson signed tha Civil Rights -1964, Voter Rights - 1965 Acts. Darned conservative Demodams have ruined my party and now seem to be Hellbent on ruining my Country too. We need to re-position our troops back to Kuwait, Turkey and Lebannon ( if they will have us, tha Lebanese I mean; any of yall ever been to http://phoenicia.org/ website - full of original information compiled by a ---dun tha old-fashioned way, naturalized American). Then perhaps peace might just have a real chance over there. One last oral muse, when I was growing up in SAC... My Dad's crowd always said ..."when a politician speaks rhetorically, he's blowing smoke up yur skirt" ifn ya'll get my drift. Have a nice weekend all of yu Dads, I know I will.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#20)
    by John Mann on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 03:28:28 PM EST
    At the end of the day, there's no real difference between Democrats and Republicans, and this is why the popular vote in the last two presidential elections has been split virtually down the middle. They're all a bunch of gutless wonders lacking in real principles. They circle the wagons at the slightest whiff of being called "unpatriotic" and chant the mantra, "My country, right or wrong".

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 04:43:50 PM EST
    What is needed is a bunch of Democrats who don't care about re-election. How do you get those kinds of Democrats elected? What this tells you is that support for the overthrow of the Iraqi government by the insurgents is concentrated in a few districts in America. I don't think this one will go the way of Vietnam. Too many alternative sources of information and opinion easily available. Speaking of re-election Murtha may be in trouble with the Marines of Haditha and the voters of Pennsylvania.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 04:53:35 PM EST
    John Mann says: At the end of the day, there's no real difference between Democrats and Republicans, and this is why the popular vote in the last two presidential elections has been split virtually down the middle. They're all a bunch of gutless wonders lacking in real principles. They circle the wagons at the slightest whiff of being called "unpatriotic" and chant the mantra, "My country, right or wrong". Absolutely. If politicians didn't want to get re-elected or elected even, we wouldn't have a government like the one we have. I think it has to start with kicking Lieberman out of the party and a few others. Then once we are united we can go forward from there. I can't believe some Democrats think this is a war worth fighting.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:06:05 PM EST
    LWW said: Why do I suspect the forty-odd Dems who crossed over are in good stead with AIPAC and the war profiteers? Because I'm not a braindead,spoonfed,mainstream media zombie. I know just what you mean. There are way too many AIPAC zombies in the Democrat Party. Time for some serious purges. What we want is a hard core cadre of revolutionaries who will man the barricades, overthrow the government, and give the people what they want. I think you have to start with party discipline. Strength from unity. Which side are you on?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:13:26 PM EST
    I'm down with you LWW, purge all the wrong thinking Jews from the party. Start with Lieberman. If you got rid of the Jewish money and Jewish votes the party would be in much better shape. The sooner the better. I'll do what I can to help. BTW them Rethuglican shills over at Freeper are pouring time, effort, and money into defeating Murtha. I suppose it is something you'd rather not counter. Rethugs need more help like you.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#26)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:23:02 PM EST
    How Connie Chungesque. Who cares about party? That's a BS excuse to vote for your special interests and not for the good of the country. It's on both sides. Thats why we're screwed.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:25:25 PM EST
    BTW the Israelis have you covered. A new medicine to lower blood pressure based on cannabinoids. Until it passes the usual FDA guantlet you will be limited to your usual medical cartel offerings. LWW if you really knew what was going on you would know that it is the Jewish Freemasons (Scottish Rite) who are secret Illuminati who are really the problem. They get together in their filfthy little cabals and plan to turn us all into cattle food. The evidence is plain to see. When we get enough people to see it our way we will be free of our chains. The true Republic will return. I want to do all I can to help.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#28)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:34:16 PM EST
    Mr Simon, you don't know me. You are as clueless about me as you are about whats best for this country. That's if you care about this country.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:36:31 PM EST
    Enough fun with LWW. Let me tell you what I really think. If the Democrats abandon the FDR/Harry Truman wing of the party they are sunk. Permanently. That would not be a good thing for America.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#30)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 05:38:19 PM EST
    Sorry I went over the top.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    The only thing worse than a conspiracy (if people ever conspired, which we all know they dont), like the kind Simon posited, would be one that included elites in the U.S Govt, Saudi Arabia, their friends in the Oil Industry and a little cluster of of weasals from the Israeli Right that exploit and hide behind the suffering of their people for their own ends.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 08:12:21 PM EST
    Only drug dealers and mafiosi conspire, everybody knows that. Those looney, leftie, moonbats just prove how crazy they are by talking about conspiracies.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 10:42:58 PM EST
    Jondee says: "...a little cluster of of weasals from the Israeli Right that exploit and hide behind the suffering of their people for their own ends." There are too many of the wrong kind of Jews around. I'm sure if the party just started saying this much louder it would improve its electoral position considerably.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 11:08:06 PM EST
    Simon - The wrong kind of PEOPLE. As in, self-serving, mecenary and delusional. But, keep playin that card till your hearts content. Im not buyin it though. I love Artie Shaw and Lenny Bruce, But Wolfowitz and Perle can go f*ck themselves.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 11:10:25 PM EST
    mercenary. Btw, you and Brooks are quite a team.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#36)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 12:00:01 AM EST
    An attack on the Sicilian mafia is an indictment of all Sicilians and condemning the I.R.A is a slur upon all of the Irish. Am I getting it Simon?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#37)
    by Slado on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 05:23:41 AM EST
    It amuses me that some want to call this resolution "symbolic" yet they complain that more democrats didn't vote against it and all republicans did? To call one resolution or bill symbolic is pretty silly since all politics is symbolic and driven by appearance. Why did Feingold raise his stink a few months ago? Did that have a chance of passing or was it symbolic? The purpose of this resolution was to put everyones cards on the table. Democrats have been taking pot shots at the administration clammering for withdrawl, screaming for change while offering no solutions other then retreat. So the repulicans give them their chance to make their case and dems scream symbolic. Pretty weak in my opinion. You had your chance to speak and you lost the debate, again. The democratic party can't even decide what its position is. Get your own house in order before you demand the whole country take your advice and declare defeat and retreat from Iraq.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 06:43:31 AM EST
    M. Simon - You forgot all of those redneck voters and NASCAR fans. The Left surely doesn't want them in the party.. et al - M. Simon has said it the best I have seen in a while. The facts are all these attempts are the result of the Demos trying to appease the Left anti-war wing of the party. What they don't understand is that those they think they are controlling think the party belongs to them. Hasn't it been said, "It's our party, we paid for it?"

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#39)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 07:13:27 AM EST
    Just what we need at this time. Symbolic gestures. Effing screen door an a submarine.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#40)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 08:49:17 AM EST
    anti-war wing of the party
    yes 61% of the population is is the anti-war wing.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 09:21:52 AM EST
    Sailor, Not all of the 61% are anti-war. If they were Dems would be right there with them and winning elections. There would have been no defections in Congress. In fact you would have significant Rs moving to your side. I mean 61% is a slam dunk on an issue that gets voters to the polls.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 09:50:44 AM EST
    Jondee, Wrong kind of people? OK. Then why single out the Jews? ================================== I think we are going to have to make it with the kind of people we have. The New Socialist Man is not in the wings. Greedy capitalists are continually forced to do more with less to stay in business. Socialism has no such incentives. Capitalism uses the greed heads. Socialism must eliminate them. Which is why in hard socialism the bodies pile up. It is hard to eliminate the taint of greed from the mass of men. ================================== My #2 son is on full scholarship at the University of Chicago. Proof positive that wealth trickles down. Some of that Rockefeller money is coming back to the people. ================================== Socialism is not a winner in America because everyone thinks they can better themselves. And you know they mostly do. The average person in our lowest quintile would be considered middle class in Sweden. ============================== Socialism is a loser Anti-war is a loser What does that leave for the Dems? Social policy. Like the Drug war. I detest it. Guess what? Despite years of asking I have yet to get any on the left to focus on this issue. It has everything - persecution of medical minorities, racism, tortute, etc. In addition it would discredit a lot of Republican policies - guilt by association. No interest. We pretty much know what causes addiction. It isn't the drugs: Is Addiction Real? And still - none on the left are helping me to get the word out. Who is my biggest ally these days? The Bush appointed head of the NIDA, who agrees with me that "addiction" is 50% genetic and 50% environmental. Surprising isn't it?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 10:04:57 AM EST
    Did I mention blowing huge holes in the medical cartel.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#45)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 11:23:40 AM EST
    If the house resolution is not 'Monty Python' enough for you, the military spokesman from Iraq, Gen. Caldwell may as well be wearing a dress, makeup and a wig.
    The blasts -- seven within five hours -- brought the death toll around Iraq to at least 29 people. The bombings also wounded at least 108. A day earlier, a suspected shoe bomber blew himself up inside one of Baghdad's most prominent Shiite mosques, killing 13 people.
    A shoebomber in a Mosque??? Caldwell tells us not to worry because:
    "We are currently using every means at our disposal -- on the ground, in the air and in the water -- to find them," .... Dive teams are in the nearby canal and river...
    They are getting serious. Word has it that Maxwell Smart and Inspector Clouseau have been called in. The new security crackdown does not seem to be working. Question: Does the relentless killing and chaos in Iraq help or hurt the republican's prospects for re-election or is it irrelevant? BTW- WTF is a symbolic war resolution anyway. Does that make the WOT a symbolic war?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#46)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 01:23:43 PM EST
    Not all of the 61% are anti-war.
    No, just this war ... what was your point? Can you not appreciate snark? would you like me to explain it to you?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 02:39:55 PM EST
    Squeaky, I think Democrat talk of abandoning the Iraqis to the shoe bombers is not selling well. We broke it. We fix it. It is the honorable thing to do. And about 1/3 the House Democrats agree. And almost all the Republicans. Insurgencies typically take decades to suppress. Be patient.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 02:47:51 PM EST
    Sailor, Having 61% of Americans anti-this war doesn't seem to have boosted Democrat fortunes. Perhaps a significant portion of the 61% think Syria and Iran are over due. And Saudis need some persuasion as well. That might explain the House vote. The Senate vote? Most of those guys are not up for re-election in 2 or 4 years. Perhaps they estimate Iraq will be OK by then. Or maybe the rich greedy Jews of the military industrial complex got to the Senators.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#49)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 02:53:21 PM EST
    uh, M. Simon, If the scriptwriters do a bit of research they would know that Iraqis leave their shoes at the door. But then again what do you and your friends know about Iraq? The idea is to turn it into Disneyland, right? yes that may take some time. BTW- slogans like you break it you fix it, or we don't cut and run are fine if you are mentally impaired or just dumb. Thanks for the election advise anyway, but it doesn't apply. Do most of your friends think in soundbites?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#50)
    by Lww on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 03:09:48 PM EST
    Mr Simon, so you think Syria and Iran should be the next targets? Just great. Of course, you and your kindred won't be getting their heads blown off in this new offensive.... Lets just bomb the crap out've them. From the air. Nice and tidy like Dresden and Hanoi. I feel better already.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#51)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 03:16:12 PM EST
    Having 61% of Americans anti-this war doesn't seem to have boosted Democrat fortunes.
    Uhhh, so what!? Has it ever occurred to you that some folks on this site aren't 'partisan', we just want the truth to be told, (hence my disgust with liars), and our government to do the right thing. IOW, the principles the country was founded on.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 03:18:41 PM EST
    Seeing as how a good percentage of the inbabitants are semites, that must mean Simon's an anti-semite.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 03:28:46 PM EST
    And Simon, you can cut the crap anytime now, the Israeli Right and their PNAC compadres aren't "the Jews" (your terminology) any more than al Bushira represents all Christians, Americans or whatever other master race you want us to believe in.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#54)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 03:31:25 PM EST
    Hmmmm posted by M. Simon: "What we want is a hard core cadre of revolutionaries who will man the barricades, overthrow the government, and give the people what they want." Wasn't it Lenin to whom this quote is attributed?

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 03:41:08 PM EST
    U. of Chicago. Thats too perfect. To "regime change" what Florence was to the Rennaisance. Im sure he's a marvelous young man, who will probobly realize at some point how much he loves his dad and how f.o.s his dad is sometimes.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#57)
    by Lww on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 07:41:46 PM EST
    Amazing story at the link. Makes you feel like a first world crybaby.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#58)
    by Lww on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 07:43:22 PM EST
    Sorry bout that.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#59)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 08:28:20 PM EST
    zemb1, I had no idea I was quoting any one let alone the illustrious Lenin. Of course I stopped being a communist in the late 70s so it is possible there are latent memories involved. The statement in any case was ironic. Revolutionaries rarely give you what you want. Unless corpses piled high is one of your desires.

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#60)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 17, 2006 at 10:29:54 PM EST
    Jondee, The boy is pretty a-political. However, he has a strong libertarian streak and cheered Zell Miller's speech at the Republican Convention. So by my lights he is an outstanding lad. BTW I'm a UC alum as well. Runs in the family. :-)

    Re: House Passes Symbolic War Resolution (none / 0) (#61)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 18, 2006 at 03:04:09 AM EST
    Sailor, I'm all for the principles the country was founded on. Like going after the Barbary Pirates. In Jefferson's day they were called jihadis. Interesting, no?

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