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Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush

By Jeralyn, Section Foreign Affairs
Posted on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 07:09:22 PM EST
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Bump and Update: Just in from Newsweek: A new poll shows that Europeans really, really don't like Bush.

A Harris Interactive/Financial Times survey released Monday found that 36 percent of Europeans view the United States as the world's greatest threat to "global stability." By comparison, 30 percent of those polled named Iran as the biggest threat, while 18 percent named China.

In Austria, that unpopularity is particularly acute: a recent poll by the Vienna-based News magazine found that 72 percent of those surveyed found Bush to be unlikable and a danger to world peace.

Shorter version: Bush can't escape his unpopularity by running off to Europe.

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Original Post:
Bush Protests in Austria:

From Austrian tv/radio, here's the video of Bush protesters in Austria. Cindy Sheehan is front and center. At the end, there's a flag burning. [hat tip Scribe]

Interesting that there are no chainlink "free speech zones", the police are in soft caps clearing traffic so the march can proceed and there are signs with sticks to raise them which I think are disallowed here because they might be used as weapons. Several of the signs say "hands off Iran."

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    • Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush | 98 comments (98 topical)
    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 11:10:19 AM EST
    Real protest and real freedom are for others, not us.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#2)
    by scribe on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 11:49:23 AM EST
    Dadler: That's one of the funnier comments you've put up in a long time. Ironic how taking the hardhats off the cops and letting the people march gets it all out of their system. So much so, one might think W and those who stomped on protests at the 2004 Rethug convention might have wanted confrontations and violence.... Like Osama wanted W reelected.... Also, per AmericaBlog, did W deface the flag (and commit a misdemeanor)????

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 11:52:49 AM EST
    Taking freedom of speech and assembly lessons from Europe...the irony. I thought that we were the frontrunners in freedom of speech and assembly. But like a lot of things...we only used to be.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 11:55:57 AM EST
    Here is a video of his lame cowboy answer to an Austrian journalist's question regarding America's recent loss of respect amongst European nations.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 12:13:07 PM EST
    Squeaky: "...lame cowboy answer..." was a REALLY nice way to put it.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#6)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 03:12:31 PM EST
    Dadler, Kdog, You are free to assemble anywhere they let you.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 03:55:57 PM EST
    Agent99- Aw shucks, thankee...with a bit of yee haw to boot.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#8)
    by Sailor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 07:17:54 PM EST
    Uhh, not even most American's like bush, this is news!?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 07:59:18 PM EST
    look how uncomfortable the other speakers look, like they know they can't protect him. i cant even listen to him. makes me squirm. in fact, i find i cannot listen to anything the Chimp says without falling into an imitation of what he's just said, and then either laughing or cursing...in that order, everytime now. it's like a nervous tic or something.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#10)
    by weezie on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:01:53 PM EST
    Yeah Sailor, news flash, eh? But if the Europeans don't like him, he must be doing something right.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#11)
    by roy on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:04:05 PM EST
    Sorry to exceed my 4/day limit, but Newsweek has mis-stated the survey results in a significant way. A good writeup of the survey can be found here. Newsweek talks about those who "view the United States as the world's greatest threat to 'global stability.'" The survey actually asks about the danger of "the American presence in Iraq to stability in the Middle East and World Peace". Much more narrow than "the United States". See question 41c.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:08:27 PM EST
    But if the Europeans don't like him, he must be doing something right.
    and if the Americans don't like him either, what does that say? Isn't that what happens with a dictator or somthing?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#13)
    by roy on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:09:06 PM EST
    Dang. Wrong link. Look here.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:16:43 PM EST
    file this under "duh", who cares, they didnt like clinton either what they dont like is american power

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#16)
    by roy on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:19:10 PM EST
    Ah, Hell, I suck. Disregard above. Linked to wrong survey. Sorry. Will shut up for a couple days to contemplate reading comprehension.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:36:14 PM EST
    I just did my very own poll... I found 36% of Europeans dumb and 30% dumber.
    President Jacques Chirac of France stormed out of a European Union summit last night after a French employers' leader said that English was "the language of European business."
    The American people know that it's dangerous to blame ourselves for terrible problems that we did not cause. They understand just as the distinguished French writer, Jean Francois Revel, understands the dangers of endless self- criticism and self-denigration. He wrote: "Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."


    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:39:44 PM EST
    file this under "duh", who cares, they didn't like clinton either what they don't like is american power
    You must misfile things quite a bit. Bet you lose a lot of files. Rather convenient handicap, no?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 08:53:43 PM EST
    "Dumb and dumber" That from the side of the aisle that would be out of action without its crusades against sodomites and on behalf of brain-dead women.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 09:01:47 PM EST
    Squeaky - How about telling us what Juan Cole says? We have an open thread, you know.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#21)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 09:11:18 PM EST
    Why, is he applying for another job you want to screw him out of? Hiram.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 09:40:58 PM EST
    "European's Don't Like Bush" I've been a fan of TalkLeft since back when the rocks were cooling. Is it too much of me to ask that TalkLeft learn how to form a plural in the English language? Speaking of making the left look like nitwits. Yes, it matters.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 09:50:46 PM EST
    Sorry Patrick, I'll fix it.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#24)
    by Sailor on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 09:51:35 PM EST
    Gee, ppj attempts to make the thread another edition of 'what about jim' ... when actually it is about the fact that folks around the world really, really don't like bush. Including the majority of Americans.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 11:04:11 PM EST
    60% of Americans are dumb and dumber. But wait, we cant say that. America's the magnificent pinnacle of civilisation. Must be the ultra-liberal, left wing, "MSM" thats turned people against Bush. But that would mean the people are dumb and cant think for themselves..Oh never mind.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#26)
    by Al on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:02:24 AM EST
    I'll let Bush explain the issue:
    Today, President Bush held a press conference in Vienna, Austria as part of a diplomatic visit to Europe. He was asked by a member of the press why approval for his policies, particularly on national security issues, was so low in Europe. Bush explained that Europeans didn't take the 9/11 attacks seriously. "For Europe, September 11th was a moment. For us, it was a change of thinking."
    Bush is obviously unaware of the editorial published by Le Monde on September 13, 2001, titled Nous sommes tous Americains (We are all Americans). Whoever comes after Bush will have a lot of ground to recover.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 04:34:21 AM EST
    Who really cares that some Europeans don't like Bush??? (most Americans don't, and that is not news) I'm sure we'll see an article next saying "Poll: Europeans Don't Like the Americans" Come on, it can't be that slow of a news day. Let's face it I can create my own poll, ask the right people and get whatever answers I want. Seriously getting all worked up about this is rather silly.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#28)
    by HK on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 05:55:59 AM EST
    I wish people would stop equating foreign disapproval of the current US government with a hatred of Americans. I am a Brit. I love America and Americans. I am fascinated by the US in many ways, not least because it is a comparitively 'new' country and therefore theoretically free from staid traditions and tired, outdated bastions. Like I said, theoretically. I love the huge amount of variety in the US; in people, cities, landscapes, just about everything. (You even get more different flavours of Tic Tac than us, damn it.) What I don't like are heavy-handed, ignorant bullies who answer to nobody and have only self-serving principles. Which is what you are stuck with. Americans are great. They deserve better.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:01:17 AM EST
    Sailor - Let us see what I wrote. An off the wall comment to indicate that I, and millions like me, really don't care what Europe thinks. A comment that should raise the question "why" Americans don't care. So, I made the following points. I note how sensitive Chirac and many other EUs are. Heck, they can't even settle on a common language for business. Of course as everyone on the Left knows, a common language really isn't important. I note that we, unlike many Europeans, don't blame ourselves for things we didn't cause. Then I bring a French writer to close with the fact that Europe's problems will result in its destruction if they do not change. Yep. No doubt about it. I had no point to make. Muddy - True. But it meets the MSM criteria for news by being anti-Bush and by default anti-America. Al writes:
    Bush is obviously unaware of the editorial published by Le Monde on September 13, 2001, titled Nous sommes tous Americains (We are all Americans).
    True, but they were Americans only as long as we were doing what they wanted us to do. HK writes:
    What I don't like are heavy-handed, ignorant bullies who answer to nobody and have only self-serving principles. Which is what you are stuck with. Americans are great. They deserve better.
    Thanks for making my point.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#30)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:39:13 AM EST
    Is the lefts position that americans should take political advise from Europeans? I don't want their culture, economy or problems. Their entire way of life is in decline and I'm supposed to take their opinion seriously? I'll remember their opinion next time our country has to step up and bail them out of their own problems. Take a trip to Normandy and remember what "European" opinion and movements have brought the world. In summary... European gifts to the world: Great food, wine, communism and faccism. American gifts: Movies, money and democracy. Ronald Reagan had the same image problem when he stood up to communism and Europeans were just as wrong then as they are now. This thread is why the left is in the minority in this country. Americans think they're better then the rest of the world for good reason. We should disregard what the rest of the world thinks of us but we must remember that we're the lone super power now and with that comes all the good and the bad. I'll sleep well tonight knowing that I live in the best country in the world and second place isn't even close. Go USA, Beat GHANA!!!!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#31)
    by soccerdad on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:50:30 AM EST
    The US should consider other countries perspectives because of the global economy. Its not 1945. The only thing that the US has from a global perspective that keeps its status where it is, is its military and the ease at which it uses it. Certainly we dont have the energy resources, manufacturing capabilities, and our technological edge is slipping. So building a long properous future on bullying other countries when you dont have the financial resources to back it up seems to me to be a losing proposition in the long run. One that could have diasterous implications for our way of life. There are other consumers coming on line as conditions improve in India, etc that can easily replace the American consumer. Nothing is more dangerous in the long run than blindly overestimating one's importance based solely on flag waving and nationalism. At some point there has to be a viable plan to maintain ones position. Global hegemony based on military power is a poor choice.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#32)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 08:10:20 AM EST
    Soccerdad you are correct and in most ways countries do support the US by taking our aid, trading with us etc... they simply do all this and then complain about our politics. Fine. You don't have to like everyone but liberals too often confuse opinion polls with reality when in fact Europeans almost always work with us they just don't "like" President Bush. I don't "like" my boss but I still do my job. The real consequence is the refs in the World Cup who keep screwing us over with bad calls. That PK in the box was ridiculous and this is after we were almost robbed of a tie vs. Italy because of questionable red cards. There are your consequences.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#33)
    by Al on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 08:25:33 AM EST
    they [the French] were Americans only as long as we were doing what they wanted us to do.-PPJ
    What does that even mean? What were the Americans doing what the French wanted them to do, and when did they stop? Au contraire, it seems to me the Bush administration started spewing hatred when the French and others refused to go along with what they wanted to do, which was to invade Iraq without provocation, and based on hysterical claims about weapons of mass destruction with no evidence whatsoever. Then the administration forgot completely about European solidarity in the wake of the attacks on 9-11, and started insulting them. Rumsfeld called them "old Europe" despectively, as opposed to the "new Europe" presumably, which were the former communist countries that supported the Bush misadventure. A State Department spokesman insulted them by saying that they should limit themselves to making chocolate. When Colin Powell insulted their intelligence with his pathetic show-and-tell in the UNSC, Dominique de Villepin in his response got the only ovation ever heard in that hall.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#34)
    by soccerdad on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 08:28:10 AM EST
    Consider the following hypothetical scenario. The EU has little oil of its own. The North Sea fields are already on the downside. Russia is energy rich. Russia will continue to use its energy resources as a political club much like the US would do if it had any energy. The allegience of the EU toward the US will weaken because the EU like anyone else looks out for its own interests first. Now consider the consequences of US "losing" in Iraq. By losing I mean not being in control of the oil and gas resources. The consequences are ominous in many ways. Mistakes by the same US defender has cost the US 4 goals. You don't prepare for the WC by playing friendlies with the likes of Costa Rica and other 2nd tier teams.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#35)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:26:25 AM EST
    Agreed on the soccer soc. I was puzzled by that plus the fact that some of the more offensive minded players the US has were either left of the feild or left back home. We scored 2 lousy goals in 3 games and 1 was put in by the Italians. Bad coaching, bad performance and a setback for American soccer. Go England!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:28:08 AM EST
    For those who take an interest in the world cup there is an email virus doing the rounds. Football! I would sooner read Hello.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:32:02 AM EST
    Stop the presses, the biggest and most powerful (country, politician, company, exec, boss, celeb, model, BMOC, kid on the playground, whatever) is envied and criticized by the rest. Remarkable. ...until they need someone big and powerful enough to help them out of a jam... Although I'm sure there are many who won't read this far, this should not be taken in any way as supporting an "FU, take it or leave it" attitude from the US, W, Chirac, Tom Cruise, or anyobody...

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:05:44 AM EST
    Go Brazil!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:08:12 AM EST
    I will give you a couple of reasons why europeans are less than impressed with Bush. As all political, democratically elected leaders,(cough)he/she is entrusted with the well being of the country, and where applicable, the plannet, and world stabillity. Your dear leader has failed miserably on all three counts. There is little reason for me to quote chapter and verse of the shortcommings of GWB. The world sees the man with clarity, not through the rose tinted glasses of republicism and flag waving nationalism. Europeans and the world see a little man who went to war for no other reason than it gave him a hard on. And while you are giving it all the "greatest country" on earth, stop a while, take a honest look, it might not pass the litmus test. It is a shameful period that your country is going through. This apart from the obvious, that the man is a bible thumping cretin with the IQ of a lentil.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:24:17 AM EST
    with the IQ of a lentil.
    Very funny OW. This news flash just in: Lentils of the world unite in a move to disassociate themselves from the recent smear likening them to GW Bush. Their most recent statement: "We have nothing whatsoever in common with the President of the US. He is clearly pea brained which is an entirely different matter."

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#41)
    by soccerdad on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:29:34 AM EST
    Europeans and the world see a little man who went to war for no other reason than it gave him a hard on.
    Have to disagree with you here, at least wrt leaders. I think the European leaders understand why he went to war [energy resources and geopolitical power that comes with its control] and explains why there was not more protest at the start.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#42)
    by Al on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:07:07 AM EST
    The real consequence is the refs in the World Cup who keep screwing us over with bad calls. That PK in the box was ridiculous and this is after we were almost robbed of a tie vs. Italy because of questionable red cards. - Slado
    Sure, Slado. That's right. There is a European referee conspiracy against team USA. Why would the US not win the World Championship otherwise? It's the only explanation. You know, that would explain a lot of things. Like the disastrous occupation of Iraq, or Afghanistan. Bad refereeing.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#43)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:14:15 AM EST
    Al lay off the coffee and learn how to read sarcasm. I was just venting as the USA went down in flames to a country with 20million people. Read the followup post to Soc where I agree with him about the real reasons for the loss. Does eveything have to be partisan? Can't we joke about Soccer? Also Oscar I'll take your comments uder advisement as I go on living in the best country in the world. USA! USA! USA!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:48:10 AM EST
    PPJ, "I note how sensitive Chirac and many other EUs are." There is more than one EU? "Heck, they can't even settle on a common language for business." and you, sir, don't even know who "they" are.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:42:44 PM EST
    Of course we can make light when it comes to the beautiful game. I've got a great joke- Team USA came into the tournament ranked 5th in the world. THAT's funny!!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#46)
    by Al on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:45:56 PM EST
    Slado, your thoughts are normally so outrageous that it's almost impossible to tell when you're writing tongue-in-cheek. Best country in the world? Tell that to the Katrina victims. To have the best country in the world takes a lot of hard, intelligent work, something which simple-minded nationalists are intellectually and emotionally incapable of. They are much more enthusiastic about war and violence because that is far less demanding than anything constructive. If you like sporting analogies, standing on the sideline and cheering or booing, waving the flag and painting your face, doesn't really help. It's the players who win or lose the games. The screaming fans in the bleachers are in the best circumstances decorative, and in the worst, a downright nuisance.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:56:04 PM EST
    Sorry for the shot at the US team- those rankings are just ridiculous. On a more appropriate note; can anyone claim that this is surprising? The EU showed solidarity with the US at possibly the lowest moment in its history- the days following 9/11. As well as the public statements from leaders across the EU showing support for the US, and the private phone calls between leaders pledging to help, God Bless America was played prior to football games across the continent. They joined in the coalition to oust the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, putting the lives of their own people at risk to fight for what they thought was right. They showed their friendship and offered their support but as soon as they had the gall to not start shooting in the direction they were told to by GWB and Dead-Eye Dick they were branded as cowards. Put yourself in their position- how would you feel about this administration?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 02:01:38 PM EST
    Bush didn't go to war, Darth Cheney did with his Apprentice Darth Rumsford and it had nothing to do with oil, still doesn't. All it has to do with is Cheney being President w/o formally being elected, wake up kids, this guy is gathering more and more power to tha Executive. We are fast approaching a major Nexus point in our country's history. When this nexus goes BLAM!!! yall had better hope that yall have got yur arses covered.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#49)
    by John Mann on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 02:24:42 PM EST
    Bush is obviously unaware of the editorial published by Le Monde on September 13, 2001, titled Nous sommes tous Americains (We are all Americans).
    It's interesting that right after 9/11, ten months or so after George W Bush became President, most people in the world seemed to echo that sentiment. Three short years of George W Bush later, Americans participating in the Olympics were advised to refrain from any flag-waving. Five and a half years after George W Bush seized power in a bloodless coup, most people seem to view the United States as the world's greatest bully. Does anyone see a connection here?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#50)
    by John Mann on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 02:47:12 PM EST
    Soccerdad you are correct and in most ways countries do support the US by taking our aid, trading with us etc...
    The United States "aids" other countries because it is in its interests to do so. Anyone doubting this simple truism is hopelessly naive or seriously gullible.
    Europeans almost always work with us they just don't "like" President Bush. I don't "like" my boss but I still do my job.
    The boss/job analogy illustrates nicely the arrogant view that many Americans have of the rest of the world: you don't have to like us, just do your job.
    The real consequence is the refs in the World Cup who keep screwing us over with bad calls.
    "Wa wa wa!" You can't win if you don't score, and relying on opponents to put the ball in their own goal is questionable strategy.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 03:09:01 PM EST
    Sky-Ho - I am, of course, referring to other member countries. And you knew that just by reading the comment. Know what, Sky-Ho? I know I have won when that is the best you can do. Now, tell us what you know. After all, you said you were in a position to know. Shall we start calling you 007? Secret Agent Man... Have they given you a number and taken away your name?? John Mann - What is about "they loved us when we did what they wanted" don't you understand? Nothing magic there, and not even particularly bad. That's just the human way. But don't expect most of us to get all teary eyed over it.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#52)
    by John Mann on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 03:10:57 PM EST
    John Mann - What is about "they loved us when we did what they wanted" don't you understand?
    I understand the question, Jim - I just don't understand what they wanted you to do. So why don't you clue me in?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#53)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 04:12:56 PM EST
    Slado:
    I don't want their culture, economy or problems. Their entire way of life is in decline and I'm supposed to take their opinion seriously?

    I'll sleep well tonight knowing that I live in the best country in the world and second place isn't even close.
    Patriotism is all very well as long as you confine it to rooting for the US football team. But if you are going to advance claims about people's way of life, then you should discard your chauvinistic fantasies before drawing conclusions. Check out the UN Human Development Index, which is a "comparative measure of poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, childbirth, and other factors for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being ..." There are 15 European countries in the top 20, 7 of which rank above the US, which is in 10th place. Australia (3rd) and Canada (5th) round out the top ten. So where do you get your idea that the US "the best country in the world"? Got any evidence to back up that claim?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#55)
    by Sailor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 04:25:57 PM EST
    Know what, Sky-Ho? I know I have won when that is the best you can do.
    uhh, now I get it, this is yet another episode of 'all about ppj' ... surprise ... and facts and truth be damned. He will run every truthful commenter off of this blog with his lies and moving the goal posts and changing the subject and trolling (just like he did here) and then he will be declare victory. Great. TL, I'm so happy you endorse this fellow, it really adds gravitas to the site.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#56)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 06:47:47 PM EST
    Uh, they needed a poll to tell us this?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#57)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 06:49:33 PM EST
    I really, really, really don't like him too.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#58)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:19:03 PM EST
    Europe despises our dumb chief No matter Schwarzenegger's grief Austrians, Great Danes Germans, Frances, Spains Just wish we would vote them relief.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#59)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:19:55 PM EST
    Europe despises our dumb chief No matter Schwarzenegger's grief Austrians, Great Danes Germans, Frances, Spains Just wish we would vote them relief.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#60)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:20:26 PM EST
    Oop, delete that first one TL, I beg of you.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#61)
    by Edger on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:49:45 PM EST
    Is there really someone, somewhere, anywhere... I mean anywhere... who likes bush? Anyone??? 8-/

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:56:17 PM EST
    The Hiram Evans Fan Club likes him just fine.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#63)
    by Edger on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:58:43 PM EST
    What has he ever done for Hiram Evans? Besides make him look bad? Like some kind of wussy moderate...

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#64)
    by Edger on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:59:13 PM EST
    ;-)

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:28:35 PM EST
    Dark Avenger - After your last I understand why pedantic applies to you so well. Sailor - Quit whinning. I posted a very in depth comment and it went right over your head. Cyrmo - The US "football" team? You mean the Dallas Cowboys?? BTW - Then why are you here? You like being #10?? John Mann - You need help? Okay. Read this and see the difference.
    CLARKE: In the first week in February, decided on principle, in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy, and to increase CIA resources, for example for covert action, five-fold, to go after al Qaeda. And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with al Qaeda over the course of five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of al Qaeda." (END AUDIO CLIP) O'REILLY: Rollback under Clinton. Rapid elimination under Bush.
    Hope this isn't to much for you to grasp. See John, the EUers don't like things like that. We're supposed to sit around and examine our navels over why we were attacked.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:43:26 PM EST
    Or there's Hiram Abiff

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#67)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:18:43 PM EST
    PPJ:
    Cyrmo - The US "football" team? You mean the Dallas Cowboys??
    OT, but when the US is participating an international event of the scale of the FIFA World Cup, I would have expected people to learn the terminology. But I should have known better in your case. Unless of course you're just pretending to be ignorant this time.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#68)
    by Al on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:21:52 PM EST
    PPJ? When John Mann and I both ask you what you meant when you said that the Europeans "loved us when we did what they wanted", you come up with some Clinton-bashing quote from O'Reilly. If you look at this carefully, you may also understand that this ... is ... completely ... irrelevant. Jim, put down your knitting and concentrate. When you said that the Europeans "loved us when we did what they wanted", right? What in Jehovah's name did you mean? You know, give an example in fifty words or less. Focus, Jim. You can do this.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 10:22:33 PM EST
    O'REILLY: Rollback under Clinton. Rapid elimination under Bush.
    Ahh crap, a Faux News link. And I was hoping for powerline of LGF. Oh well... BTW what's your definition of rapid? We're going on 6 years now with no elimination in sight. Probably been quite a net gain in recruits, actually. And wasn't it the Chimpster that said "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." ????

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:26:35 AM EST
    Bill O'Reilly. Now there's an unimpeachable voice of authority in the realm of policy analysis. And the history of WWII and the diagnosis of brain dead women from a distance. On O'Reilly's next show he'll be taking up the highly charged topic of whether all the missing blondes are Clinton's fault (and whether it's related to affirmative action and the actions of the ACLU.) Stay tuned.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#71)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:33:43 AM EST
    The O'Reilly Factor. That's just sad.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#72)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 03:43:46 AM EST
    The O'Reilly Factor:
    "Now to me, they're not fighting it [the Iraq war] hard enough. See, if I'm president, I got probably another 50-60 thousand with orders to shoot on sight anybody violating curfews. Shoot them on sight. That's me... President O'Reilly... Curfew in Ramadi, seven o'clock at night. You're on the street? You're dead. I shoot you right between the eyes. Ok? That's how I run that country. Just like Saddam ran it. Saddam didn't have explosions - he didn't have bombers. Did he? Because if you got out of line, you're dead."
    Listen to the audio - from Calling All Wingnuts: Kickin' ass on the lyin' side: A never-ending battle against stupid, ugly, deceitful and corrupt right-wing water carriers...

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#73)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 03:57:29 AM EST
    Repeat after me. Bill O'Reilly.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#74)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 04:28:13 AM EST
    The funiest thing I read in this thread was by Slado: "I don't want their culture, economy or problems. Their entire way of life is in decline and I'm supposed to take their opinion seriously?" Talk about being blind, ignorant and full of BS. I guess Slado is one of those that think that if the dollar is weak against all the other major currencies (including the Euro) then it must mean that the USA economy is doing great. Or that if the USA has billions of dollars deficit that it's good for the economy. I guess Slado doesn't want the culture because it would be to d i f f i c u l t for him. And I guess people like Slado rather live in what's quickly becoming a police state with no real legally protected freedoms then having to deal with the "problems" of Western Europe such as true free speech - only being arrested when there's an actual charge put forward - not being murdered by the state for crimes one didn't do.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#75)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 06:17:06 AM EST
    "I don't want their culture, economy or problems. Their entire way of life is in decline and I'm supposed to take their opinion seriously?" That's about the most serious case of projection I've seen yet from any of our pet wingnuts.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#76)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 06:45:22 AM EST
    Or there's Hiram Abiff, who 'with perverted humor betrays a shallowness of soul.' Thanks, Squeaky! ;-)

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#78)
    by John Mann on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 07:46:23 AM EST
    Jim, put down your knitting and concentrate. When you said that the Europeans "loved us when we did what they wanted", right? What in Jehovah's name did you mean? You know, give an example in fifty words or less. Focus, Jim. You can do this.
    No, he can't. See, Jim never answers hard questions like that. Three years ago, while discussing the growing resistance in Iraq, Jim was asked on numerous occasions how he would react if a foreign power invaded and occupied the U.S. True to form, he never answered, but simply huffed and puffed and spewed out one non sequitur after the other.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#79)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 07:48:50 AM EST
    Any sign of understanding on PPJ's part would be a welcome change, even at my expense.
    DA I wouldn't worry!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#80)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:22:56 AM EST
    Oscar W.... Europeans and the world see a little man who went to war for no other reason than it gave him a hard on. Well..you and the Europeans are wrong! (not really too surprised there) Over 500 WMDs have been found. That really is 'no surprise' as most of us (with any brains anyway) knew he had them (seeing how he did use them on his own people at one time)and knew we'd eventually find them. When can we expext an opology from all you "Bush lied" people? Edger /Jondee.. O'Reilly was only pointing out the fact that we fight wars with a "liberal slant" these days. As we did in Viet Nam (which would have been over in weeks instead of years if the military's hands weren't tied)and it's time to take the gloves off. Until you lock down the country and sweep all the insurgents out, (IE - fight without the libs looking over your shoulder and critisizing everything you do) things won't change.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#81)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:35:27 AM EST
    Over 500 WMDs have been found.
    proof???

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#82)
    by Al on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:43:23 AM EST
    Pssst, BB ... You and Santorum may want to check what the Department of Defense has to say about those "weapons of mass destruction" Rick found. "We fight wars with a liberal slant". I really have to write that down.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#83)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 09:21:05 AM EST
    O'Reilly was only pointing out the fact that we fight wars with a "liberal slant" these days. Yeah, we know. He's really a harmless soft pussy hearted teddy bear with a deep abiding love of humanity in his spare time, right BB?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#84)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 09:25:40 AM EST
    Until you [get the hell out of Iraq] things won't change.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#85)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 10:00:57 AM EST
    Al, Squeaky, You saved me the trouble of a response. The echoing of drivel that the MSM spews is worthy of saving in the "Cor Blimey" file. If you want to listen to more drivel, scroll down halfway to O'Reilly V Malkin.Listen to Malkin describe how wonderfuly things are going in Iraq. Who pays this woman? Cor Blimey don't come anywhere near.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#86)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 10:34:45 AM EST
    btw, BB, Saddam Hussein is on trial for doing the things that O'Reilly advocates. And you are excusing and defending him?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 11:07:54 AM EST
    Yes Malkin is a trip. I saw her for the first time from that clip. Her success must be about S&M bondage fantasies by both her male & female viewers. She makes such a good victim. Her body language screams for abuse. Vile those extremist 'christians' are. All that represed sex funneled toward hate.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 11:31:49 AM EST
    Edger - I think so. Probobly would, in his perfect world, round up all the liberals and anyone else who publicly criticizes the war, ( including that traitor Michael Moore) and charge 'em with treason. That would save alot of trouble later when otherwise it might be necessary to round up round up anyone who publicly criticizes anything the administation does: "tying its hands."

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#89)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 12:10:24 PM EST
    Squeaky.... probably are so old they couldn't be used Probably? Well then...let's put them in your back yard! No problem...right? Although Mustard gas will deteriorate over time, Sarin doesn't..it's still lethal. And if found by the bad guys, could be used against our troops. Oh wait..I forgot...as far as you're concerned, we are the bad guys! Never mind. Her body language screams for abuse. LOL...yes. And that's the ultimate message here isn't it? If you can't actually put up a fair fight... degrade & call names. That's the ticket. The few times I've tuned into left wing radio (and there aren't too many still around) all they could do was make fun of people. Once, they went on for 20 mins about the Sec. of State's gapped teeth. Real informative and real enlightening! Edger... Try sticking with (listening to) what I actually say. btw, BB, Saddam Hussein is on trial for doing the things that O'Reilly advocates. Not hardly... but in your "America is evil" bizarro world... I can see how you'd think that. Jondee... in his perfect world, round up all the liberals and anyone else who publicly criticizes the war, ( including that traitor Michael Moore) and charge 'em with treason. Nothing wrong with criticism. I'm all for it and did quite a bit in my younger years... however, when you get into actually effecting things ...: like leaking stories that help the enemy ... wrongly accusing people for your personal political agenda. (IE -Dan Rather's now famous story on GW's military record) and doing everything in your power to disrupt what we (as a nation) are trying to do... then it goes far beyond criticism!

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#90)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 12:34:25 PM EST
    BB says
    Although Mustard gas will deteriorate over time, Sarin doesn't..it's still lethal.
    David Kay
    He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous. "It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.
    link so as usual BB just flings stuff around and hopes something sticks. Talking out his piehole as usal.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#91)
    by Peaches on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 12:35:42 PM EST
    Probably? Well then...let's put them in your back yard!
    I'll take the sarin in my backyard when you take the depleted uranium, moron.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#92)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 12:38:17 PM EST
    Sarin has a relatively short shelf life, and will degrade after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life may be greatly shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA [1], in 1989 the Iraqis destroyed 40 or more tons of sarin that had decomposed, and that some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks owing mostly to impure precursors.
    link welcome to the 2006 elcetion campaign

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#93)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 12:46:54 PM EST
    Michelle "Mista Scaife, me love you long time" Malkin.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#94)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:43:48 PM EST
    Wonderful demostration. Are these a part of the 27% of Austrians voted for Jeorg Haider's party in 1999? His party is a part of the governing coalitionn of the current Chancellor after all.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#95)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:58:17 PM EST
    I apply it STRICTLY to Malkin, no one else. There's wh*res and then there's wh*res.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#96)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 02:19:14 PM EST
    It's what people do when they a have a very strong aversion to a particular persons actions. It's a metaphor. Or maybe you wanna tell us about white power again?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#97)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 02:29:44 PM EST
    You mean you havnt already?

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 09:58:31 PM EST
    Hey his wife "just happened" to be white.

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 10:49:29 PM EST
    Yeah, when your star witness has to plead the 5th you can assume that your case got problems. Ah, Mark Fuhrman...now there was a dude that was great for "race relations".

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#100)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:42:27 AM EST
    soccerdad... "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous. Yeah yeah...and I can link to a site that says the opposite...so what? The FACT is... these things (WMD's) were found and no amount of liberal "spin" on how dangerous they may or may not be now is relevant! Talking out his piehole as usal. Yes you are arn't you? Peaches... moron.. Nice comback.... You're such a pleasure to talk with and a credit to the left! haha

    Re: Poll: Europeans Don't Like Bush (none / 0) (#101)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:46:14 AM EST
    B.B - "And I can link to a site that says the opposite." Link to it then. You liberal you.

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