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FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring

FBI agents today, armed with search and arrest warrants, busted 5 or 7 people in Miami's Liberty City for involvement in a domestic terrorism group.

Authorities are saying those arrested posed no immediate danger to Miami. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and the FBI will explain tomorrow at a press conference.

No explosives or weapons were seized in the raid. Judging from the repeated references to a "domestic terror scheme" and the comments of neighbors who said they recognized photos of the 8 men shown to them by agents, it sounds like those arrested are homegrown, not middle-Eastern or al-Qaeda.

CNN tv report: One of those arrested had a Haitian background. It was a preventive bust, after a year's investigation. They were not at a stage to act. The Sears Tower in Chicago and FBI building in Miami were long range targets. There was an undercover informant who convinced the group that he was an Islamic radical.

Update: A local teenager interviewed in a Fox News report who recognized the arrested men said they were "black men" whom he thought were opening a karate studio. In other words, these are Americans not middle-easterners. The AP: Suspects mainly American with no apparent connection to al-Qaeda.

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    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 06:52:54 PM EST
    That this occured in the LIBERTY CITY part of town is a just too good. Though in the inner-city, liberty has a different definition. We shall see what becomes of this.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:25:58 PM EST
    Sometimes, the timing of these 'events' is just too good to be true. Why...this exonerates at least a dozen admin crimes and violations. Ironic that the lockdown of the federal bldg in Chicago is related to the shooting death of an informant.
    Fleeing man caught at Chicago courthouse CHICAGO - A federal courthouse was locked down for more than three hours Thursday while authorities searched for a man who was scheduled to appear in court but fled after he learned of a warrant for his arrest. Rogers, 38, was accused of lying to federal agents about the shooting death of an informant. He had showed up in court after his status hearing was over, and left immediately after his attorney told him U.S. District Judge Samuel Der-Yeghiayan had issued the bench warrant.


    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#3)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 07:27:06 PM EST
    This sounds like a bunch of guys sitting around talking, and an agent provocateur pushing them while snitching, too. Timing, timing, timing. Today, the NYT breaks a story about Treasury and CIA getting into the clearinghouse for wire transfers (no warrants or subpoenas), after blowing off the "Senior Government Officials" who asked them to not publish, so we get a big brass-band raid (it's already on the Euro news, and it's 4 am there.). No surprise they nailed some Muslims, no surprise they were black, no surprise it was in Florida. The Enemy Within, the Other... it's got Rove written all over it. He should be showing us the letter he claims his lawyer got, before he goes on with his dirty work. Oh, and it wasn't too f'g hard to get a warrant, was it?

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:13:33 PM EST
    Sometimes, the timing of these 'events' is just too good to be true. Why...this exonerates at least a dozen admin crimes and violations.
    Timing, timing, timing.
    No wonder Rove got a pass, he has been really, way too busy protecting America. Hard to remember what was before Zarwaqi....oh yes, it was the news that Rove was not going to be indicted.... Now a sympathy campaign for Libby... Poor guy was set up to be caught on a mere technicality... He should be pardoned. Heroic Bush during times of war. A military crackdowns on low level grunts to show that this war is not a vietnam. We protect civilians who get caught in a war zone, unlike the suiciders. 4th amendment brought up to date. Police searches made easier in order to make you safer. Now's different than the 18 cent. Then was old America.We are a million times more professional today. Republicans as Shining Knights In Armor fighting for your constitutional rights. They stood up for Jefferson protesting the 18 hr search of his office.. Soft when they need to be but also tough on terror and crime. The aspens are all connected. FLASH: A new spectacular terrorist bust in America. The terrorists have landed. Black Muslims no less. Perfect fear for America. Bedwetter Central.... Highest Alert. Warnings that democrats will deliver America into the hands of al-Qaida. The terrorists will even get a 'fair' trial. Republicans believe in constitutional rights. Yep, Rove is a strategic necessity for the WOT. If he had to devote one second less to his work national security would be compromised. It is impressive to see that the WOT strategy and the campaign strategy are identical. Money saved, fiscal responsibility at work.
    no surprise it was in Florida
    Jeb and Joe will protect us from rhe enemy . Jeb and Joe 'O8. A sure winner. Rove can pull it off.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:02:19 PM EST
    Then you could have insisted they failed to prevent the attack when they already knew it was going to happen..
    Well...actually, it wouldnt be the first time.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:39:05 PM EST
    OMG! The horror! The horror! But what else is new?

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:40:53 PM EST
    WTC93 is an example of multiple agencies losing control of an informer or provocateur.
    The New York Times Section A; Page 1; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk October 28, 1993, Thursday, Late Edition ,,, Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast. "Do you deny," Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, "your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?" Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. "We was handling the case perfectly well until the supervisor came and messed it up, upside down." The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said. The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court in that attack. Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian army officer, was used by the Government to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the trade center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I. ...article at LibertyPost.org
    We need an honest discussion of the difference between incompetence and negligence, or worse, in government. We're past having the ability to simply trust.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#11)
    by Steven Sanderson on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:27:32 AM EST
    Considering the Bush administration's prior track record in arresting and prosecuting alleged terrorists, this is likely just another publicity stunt using "ominous" minorities to terrify our own populace.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#12)
    by Richard Aubrey on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 04:52:36 AM EST
    Steven, considering the terror suspects get a good deal more presumption of innocence than, say, lacrosse players, the length of time it takes to fight off lefties in order to get a case put together extends. Ominous minorities. Yeah. I see Tim McVeigh being the left's poster child for terror. If he's not white, he's not guilty. You guys.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 05:27:47 AM EST
    Steven, considering the terror suspects get a good deal more presumption of innocence than, say, lacrosse players, the length of time it takes to fight off lefties in order to get a case put together extends.
    Richard Aubrey, Tell that to Jose Padilla and his attorney's.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 05:58:19 AM EST
    If these guys were really planning to blow up a building, I'm glad it was thwarted. I'm curious as to what they can be charged with without being in possesion of any explosives or actually hurting anybody though. Sad to say, but the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOJ haven't earned my trust. There say-so means less than nothing to me at this point.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 06:48:16 AM EST
    et al - You are starting to demonstrate a striking ability to go into immediate denial whenever the government makes an arrest. rumi - We can discuss competence forever, but the fact remains that we are involved in, for lack of a better word, a war on terror(ists). Who did, or did not, screw up in 92-93 has nothing to do with that central fact. Squeaky - You write:
    The terrorists have landed. Black Muslims no less.
    Well, you have commented many times that all terrorists are not Arabs.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#17)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 07:50:45 AM EST
    I, for one, am grateful that these people will be behind bars for a long long time
    . no one said anything different, but dont let that stop your attacks

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 07:58:57 AM EST
    I, for one, am grateful that these people will be behind bars for a long long time
    Uhh...We still have that pesky trial/due process thingy to do...we still have those right? I'll wait for a jury to decide Thanks.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:01:03 AM EST
    This is an interesting case thus far. Apparently, kdog, there are 2 federal laws dealing with being active in an organization with the specific purpose of engaging in terroristic activivities: one for known terror organizations, one for "unknown" or "ad hoc" terror organizations. These guys are being prosecuted under the latter. I also echo the concerns of some others above - some people's quick leap to defend these guys is disheartening. I don't have any more insight that anyone else and I'm glad they were caught, if the facts against them are true. If there were merely 7 guys sitting around, idly complaining, then this is overreach. Their attempts to connect with AQ suggest otherwise. Finally, if you're going to pick poster children for prosecutorial overreach, these might not be your best candidates.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#20)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:07:24 AM EST
    Ernesto del Mundo, Checked the link. I believe it but wonder why? We know that the media,numerous think tanks,AIPAC and their ilk are all pushing us into a wider war in the ME. Spineless politicians just do what they're told to do. I just can't see rank and file FBI agents being drawn into this disaster of a plan.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:28:50 AM EST
    Narius... I, for one, am grateful that these people will be behind bars for a long long time. C'mon dude.... They're innocent! And if they're not...never fear.. the ACLU will be on the case shortly! This is obviously an attempt by GW to smear these poor guys. You know, to take the heat off of him somewhere else! Get real and get liberal will ya? LOL

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:39:25 AM EST
    some people's quick leap to defend these guys is disheartening

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 08:42:12 AM EST
    some people's quick leap to defend these guys is disheartening
    I agree that it is disheartening that we can no longer trust a god damn thing the government claims...but they give us no choice. We've got to watch 'em like hawks if we want to have anything resembling freedom in this country.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#24)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 11:23:49 AM EST
    Josh Marshall has the indictment up. These knuckleheads wanted their "contact" guy to provide them with "boots and uniforms" (among other things). Where do terrists get their uniforms and what do they look like? I thought the Unit and his folks were all for havin' us believe the terrists looked like anyone else, that they blend in and all that, and that they didn't get the benefit of the Geneva Conventions and could be held as illegal combatants because they didn't wear uniforms. Whassup with this???? Or, are they just a real bunch of knuckleheads? N.B. A different site has an ad up for one of the Grand Theft Auto series of video games; "Liberty City Stories" is the version they're pitching....

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:29:34 PM EST
    Scribe writes:
    These knuckleheads wanted their "contact" guy to provide them with "boots and uniforms" (among other things).
    No one ever said that you must be smart to break the law.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 01:53:20 PM EST
    Or to parrot anything the administration says about anything.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#27)
    by Johnny on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 06:49:38 PM EST
    Well, good for the USA, now where is that OBL guy?

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#28)
    by Lww on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 09:31:29 PM EST
    "We know that the media,numerous think tanks,AIPAC and their ilk are all pushing us into a wider war in the ME." Nobody can respond to that? Tell me I'm a freakin liar. I want to hear it. I need convincin.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jun 23, 2006 at 10:21:16 PM EST
    LWW--EdM does have an interesting link. I don't know how much truth there is to a particular theory that seems to fit, but it does fit. It's one that looks at the political/intel communities as having different ideologies, such as Team A and Team B, at least. Politicians still have power and influence after they leave office. Some networks of friends and families actually never lose power while out of office. A and B have supporters in every different office and agency with power struggles being a common occurence. For decades, mostly at the initiation of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush41 and others, a wall was created to seperate foreign and domestic intel activities. It protected more than just the innocent. It's been documented that the CIA/other used unsavory characters and rubes for dirty work covertly. If other agencies were investigating and ran across covert elements, they wouldn't know. FBI had it's own informants, like the CIA did and it's easy to assume the deceptive opportunists could play both sides at once. Informants, infiltrators, provocateurs all working with and against sincere and also manipulative govt/business covert activities. I don't see how anything but disaster could happen. This is what we need to stop for the future.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#30)
    by Andreas on Sat Jun 24, 2006 at 02:34:15 AM EST
    The WSWS writes:
    There are many incongruities surrounding the arrest of seven men from the impoverished Liberty City neighborhood of Miami on charges of conspiracy to "wage war on the United States" that suggest it, like so many previous "terrorist plots" announced by the Bush administration, is a government-inspired provocation mounted for reactionary political ends. None of the claims made by the government and repeated uncritically by the media concerning the arrest of these young working-class men can be accepted as good coin. Both the flimsiness of the criminal indictment and the lurid headlines surrounding it mark this event as an escalation in the anti-democratic conspiracies of the Bush administration. There is every indication that this latest purported terrorist threat--described by some media outlets as "even bigger than September 11"--was manufactured by the FBI, which used an undercover agent posing as a terrorist mastermind to entrap those targeted for arrest.
    Miami "terror" arrests--a government provocation By Bill Van Auken, 24 June 2006

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#31)
    by john horse on Sat Jun 24, 2006 at 07:50:30 AM EST
    According to the Knight Ridder:
    The group apparently did little to inspire fear in the Liberty City neighborhood where they took up residence. A close family friend and a distance cousin of Stanley Grant Phanor described the leader of the group, Narseal Batiste, as a "Moses-like figure" who would roam the streets in a cape or bathrobe, toting a crooked wooden cane and looking for young men to join his group.
    The leader is a kook walking the streets in his cape looking for followers. Sounds like real dangerous people to me.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 24, 2006 at 08:27:03 AM EST
    One of them had a small construction company that employed others.

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:55:23 AM EST
    Johnny.... Well, good for the USA, now where is that OBL guy? Ask the liberal media that leaked how we were tracking him?

    Re: FBI Busts Suspected Domestic Terrorism Ring (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 10:43:47 AM EST
    Ask the liberal media that leaked how we were tracking him?
    No BB, the secret is still safe. The NYT story is old news that we all knew about ages ago. What is still safe are the super secret carrier pigeon task force and special telemetric transmitting inks linked directly to our satellites. These, to mention a few, have not been revealed by the liberal press. There are other top secret ACME schemes that I hesitate to discuss and some that even I do am not privy too. The NYT story is a DOD tactic to throw OBL off the scent. The 'liberal media' is still working for you. Reality, the one that has a liberal bias, has once again been trumped in order to fight terror. Nice to see that the plan is working. If a sharpie like you has been fooled OBL is certainly still in the dark.