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Journalism Training and Open Thread

By Jeralyn, Section Media
Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 08:53:54 AM EST
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I'm in an all day journalism training program today. There are 25 bloggers attending and it's very cool.

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    Journalism Training and Open Thread | 26 comments (26 topical)
    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by aahpat on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 09:46:00 AM EST
    Journalism training. Herding cats? Is a short course in professional cynicism even allowed in America in the 21st century? Some weekend reading. TERRORISM$$$NATIONAL SECURITY$$$DRUG WAR$$$ The alQaida success strategy -silent jihad- web page is newly updated per 7/8/2006. "The largest source of terrorists' income is the illicit drug trade." The articles on the AlQaida success strategy - Silent Jihad - web page are presented to demonstrate how the $ 322 billion annual world wide retail drug black market, created by government as an aspect of the drug war, fosters and facilitates the growth of stateless world terrorist armies.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 09:56:33 AM EST
    Well, what about the statefull ones?

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 10:12:12 AM EST
    Easy aaphat. Think that will convince our so-called leaders to legalize and regulate drugs? No way bro...talk like that will lead to increased mandatory mins.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by ding7777 on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 10:19:53 AM EST
    TL, on the Ken Lay thread, Peter G wrote
    when a defendant in a federal criminal case dies prior to sentencing, the entire prosecution process "abates" -- all the way back to the beginning.
    Since Ken Lay wasn't sentenced, he could not yet appeal, but I've read some articles/comments saying the abatement also applies to the appeal process - that if you appeal a conviction and then die the same rule applies. Is that true?

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 10:34:15 AM EST
    Here is a bit of Dylan, Because something is happening here But you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones?

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by aahpat on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 11:18:50 AM EST
    TO: kdog July 8, 2006 11:12 AM I don't think so. Your just making excuses for not exposing and confronting the source of the problems in the world today. You are rationalizing capitulation to the intolerant, anti-democracy, terrorist funding Jim Crow drug war. I won't capitulate to modern American authoritarianism. I especially won't capitulate to the fear-mongered self-censorship that you are advocating. That is exactly what the Democrats have done these past thirty-six years and our constitution is going down the toilet for their effort.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimcee on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 11:19:18 AM EST
    Interesting little melodrama going on involving Protein Wisdon. Firstly, some psych professor from the University of Arizona has made some rather distirbing, childish and crude comments about Mr Goldstein's child and suddenly PW suffers a DOS attack. Secondly, she has resigned her position but blames it on others instead of taking personal responiblity for her conduct. Either this creature is absolutely insane, just a really horrible human being or Karl Rove put her up to it to make the Left look bad. I'm sure many will say that it is all Rove's doing. Me? I just think she is nutty Lefty.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by rdandrea on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 12:31:47 PM EST
    Can't they at least lock up Lay's coffin in Leavenworth?

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 01:15:27 PM EST
    jimcee-Are you posting this to prove that there is someone loonier than Jeff Goldstein. Or do you think that the poor paste eater is just an innocent victim of unfair attacks?

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Punchy on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 01:18:43 PM EST
    I find this amazing. Wicked late, and teethless, but stunning nonetheless.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 01:24:46 PM EST
    Punchy writes and Powell said:
    "We have ways of dealing with this population" that do not require Gitmo, he said.
    Hmmmmm. Coupla 747's and send them to........

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 02:13:03 PM EST
    Jimcee, you're hanging out at PW? No wonder you're screwed up. I visited there once. Once. The excrement they were passing off as political prose only required a brief overlook. But I guess it is like visiting a stable. Eventually you get used to the smell. Do you come here to troll, or are you on the fence and open to change? Once you acknowledge that racism/classism is driving us to destruction, and that a free market doesn't mean a free-for-all, then maybe we can talk.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:18:14 PM EST
    Here is a simple online interactive 'cheat sheet' for Basic Journalism Story Writing. And here is the home page for backround.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:19:40 PM EST
    The first step in good journalism is learning how to spell the word 'background'. ;-)

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimcee on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 09:18:14 PM EST
    Squeaky, I posted that bit because I thought it was intersting and distirbing at the same time. Whether you like JG or not the idea that this woman, who was an instructor at a publicly funded university, had acted so irrational and foolish to think that no one would be able to trace her posts makes me believe that she isn't that bright. As far as JG being a 'paste eater' I'm not quite sure what that means but it sure sounds kind of childish. Che, It is nice to know that you have left the this side of the blogosphere, once. How open minded and daring of you! Apparently you are only intellectually secure in places where everyone agrees with you. Me? I like to go all over the place and check out other people of all political stripes and make up my own mind. To each his own I guess. A troll I am not (although I will admit I've written things I probably shouldn't have at times). Nor am I sitting on the fence. I believe that capitallism is the best system we have, so far. Communism has always been a sham cult that has sent tens of millions to thier deaths for the 'greater good'. I believe that liberal democracy is the best form of government and should be promoted when practicible. I am a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. I believe there are rewards for hard work; that Gay folks should have some sort of Gov't recognized unions; free speech, no matter how profane should be met with more free speech and hopefully, civil speech. In other words I'm a libertarian. Best, Jim

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 11:25:54 PM EST
    Jimcee, No Einstein, I said I visited THAT SITE once.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 11:37:18 PM EST
    Jimcee, It is nice to know that you have left the this side of the blogosphere, once This is such an amateurish tactic in online debates. You either didn't read the words of my comment carefully enough, or you deliberately twisted what I wrote to fit your defensive (losing) position. Either way you look foolish.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 02:24:27 AM EST
    Article posted on Public Eye (at CBSNews.com) by a prof. of journalism at Columbia University--"Outside Voices: Samuel Freedman on the Difference between the Amateur and the Pro"--on what Freedman calls "citizen journalism" (Mar. 2006)--which he admits to having become aware of only after the London terror attacks last summer (pretty late it would seem)--raises issues and elicits (unfinished) responses to his take on them (one could finish the last cut-off reply w/ ref. to the US Constitution's historical context for the First Amendment was precisely American citizens' expression ("citizen journalism"). It would be interesting to know how the profs. in the 8-hour workshop on journalism for bloggers relate(d) to some of the points made and considered there. (See the URL provided in the comment by John Temple, "the editor, president and publisher of the Rocky Mountain News in Denver," leading to his archived fuller response in his own newspaper's blog.) (TL may have already posted these links; I haven't checked the category "blogs" yet for a possibly-archived entry.)

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by Aaron on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 02:32:08 AM EST
    I would suggest a class in classical and modern rhetoric as well, that seems to be the trend in journalism these days.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by roxtar on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 04:52:57 AM EST
    Here's my modest proposal for journalisim training. What about professional certification? Not mandatory, not a "license", but something similar to the Seal of Approval of the American Meteorological Society. If you've demonstrated an understanding of the ethical bounds of reporting, and have agreed to abide by same, you could use the title "Certified Professional Journalist" in your byline. This idea makes more sense when you realize that on the average evening newscast, the sports reporter is an ex-jock with a demonstrable understanding of sports, the weathergirl has the AMS seal of approval, and the person actually reporting the hard news may just be a hairdo in a thousand dollar suit.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 06:25:32 AM EST
    I stopped trusting television journalists since they all became good looking. They're mostly spokesmodels now.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 09:29:51 AM EST

    Posted by JimakaPPJ July 9, 2006 08:06 AM

    Deeper13 - So Iran attacked Iraq because Iran was in the middle of an internal recolution???

    Do you realize how silly that sounds?

    Link it would behoove you to get your facts straight:
    The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes, demands for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime, and secret encouragement by the US administration (Jimmy Carter, conveyed through Saudi Arabia) which was embroiled in a dispute with the new regime in Iran.
    Wikipedia on Iran-Iraq War Edit Link TTFN

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by Dadler on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 11:14:16 AM EST
    The distressingly enthusiastic Marine recruiter featured in "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been killed in Iraq. There's an irony here too sad and depressing to go into right now. My condolences to his family and loved ones.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 11:42:53 AM EST
    Dark Avenger - You did read the "border disputes" comment didn't you? And I'll remind you (again and again) that if Carter had not screwed up, the Shah would not have been overthrown, and the world would have been changed for the better.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by soccerdad on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 11:52:18 AM EST
    And I'll remind you (again and again) that if Carter had not screwed up, the Shah would not have been overthrown, and the world would have been changed for the better.
    patently false. Keep dreaming.

    Re: Journalism Training and Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 02:39:38 PM EST
    You did read the "border disputes" comment didn't you? If you were using the article I linked to at the time you comment, your comment would make some sense, but the only mention of borders in the thread I quoted from aren't about the Iraq-Iran borders. If you want to say that both sides attacked each other and then Iraq declared war on Iran, then fine, but you won't be getting any Rove points tonight for such a poor effort at 'parsing' your statements that perhaps was made in a moment of extreme carelessness. Here's the Wikipedia entry on the Iranian Revolution I link, you decide.

    Journalism Training and Open Thread | 26 comments (26 topical)