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U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths

By Jeralyn, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Sun Sep 10, 2006 at 11:19:32 PM EST
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In the remembrance of those killed on 9/11, Wonkette reminds us:

The number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan has already surpassed the death toll of 9/11.

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    U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths | 10 comments (10 topical)
    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 12:11:43 AM EST
    Let's see...how many minutes before the wingnuts post a WWII analogy?

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#2)
    by cpinva on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 06:40:39 AM EST
    i'm not a wingnut, but it's a fair analogy: the number of u.s. troops killed in wwII far exceeded those killed at pearl harbor. that, however, isn't really a valid measure of worth. the real issue is: have those deaths been in vain? has the expenditure of national blood & treasure accomplished the mission? by that measure, the answer would clearly be no, it hasn't. at this point, i'm not even exactly certain what the mission is any more. i suspect i'm not alone. if it was to capture osama bin laden, and bring him to justice, than no, it's failed utterly. if it's to strike fear in the hearts of terrorists everywhere, than again no, it's failed. if, on the other hand, it's to prove we're willing to expend national blood & treasure, in a seemingly endless "war", and watch our basic rights as americans be slowly whittled away, in the name of "national security", than yes, it's succeeded beyond our wildest expecations. somehow, i don't feel better.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 07:37:17 AM EST
    ernesto - Try to follow this. We are engaged in a war. War's have battles. There were numerous battles prior to 9/11. We lost them. Afghanistan was, and is, a battle. We're winning. Iraq was, and is, a battle. We're winning. Iran will be a battle. Nothing new or unsual about the above. The Media was, and is, a battle. We're losing. That is not new or unusal, either. Think Vietnam.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#4)
    by Sailor on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 08:34:42 AM EST
    Afghanistan was, and is, a battle. We're winning.
    you have an odd metric for winning. poppy production is up, more NATO forces are dying than at any time since we invaded and the taliban is back controlling significant parts of the country. The taliban is so resurgent that pakistan is making treaties with them.
    The Media was, and is, a battle. We're losing.
    absoulutely vile to declare war on fellow Americans. You should be ashamed.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:48:31 AM EST
    The Media was, and is, a battle. We're losing. Excuse me? Who is we?

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#9)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 02:51:36 PM EST
    They volunteered to be cannon fodder and have their lives wasted. Everything changed after 9/11. I'm not going to let any damn terrorists scare me away from my keyboard, I'm going to see that our brave soldiers stay the course, no matter how many tours it takes them. [/GOP talking point]
    We are engaged in a war.
    How do we know when we have won? Or lost? How do we measure success or failure so we can bring the troops, remember those troops you "support," who are now on their fourth tour and second stop-loss extension of their contract, home? An ex-military guy like you wouldn't want the troops to spend an extra minute in the field, right? Because you've been there and done that.
    Iraq was, and is, a battle. We're winning.
    The DoD begs to differ, in a report released on Friday.
    Sectarian violence is spreading in Iraq, reflecting the most complex security challenges since the U.S. invasion in 2003, the U.S. Defense Department said Friday.
    In a notably gloomy report to Congress, the Pentagon said illegal militias have become more entrenched, especially in Baghdad neighborhoods where they are seen as providers of security as well as basic social services.
    ...
    Optimism among ordinary Iraqis, however, has declined, the 63-page report said.
    When asked whether they believe "things will be better" in the future, the percentage of Iraqis responding positively has dropped fairly consistently during the past year whether they were asked to look ahead six months, one year or five years, according to polling data cited in the report.
    Did you get that? Plummeting optimism among ordinary Iraqis. Now THAT'S a formula for success.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#5)
    by yank in london on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 04:25:37 PM EST
    If you think we're winning in Afghanistan or Iraq may I have some of what you're smoking? Certainly any progress we may have made in Afghanistan is in danger of being lost if it's not gone already.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 04:25:37 PM EST
    Always remember the human shields, the human sacrificial lambs. And how shamefully and disgustingly their sacrifice has been abused and misused.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 04:25:37 PM EST
    Think Vietnam.
    Ahhh....the 82nd Chairborne Division weighs in. I am thinking about Vietnam, actually. I am specifically thinking about the lower class kids that had to go kill and die in place of Bush and Cheney, who both skipped out of it. Some things never change and it seems 100 percent certain that our future Republican "leaders" are not fighting this war, either.

    Re: U.S. War Dead Exceed 9/11 Deaths (none / 0) (#10)
    by john horse on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 10:12:44 PM EST
    Reback, Let me explain what apologists for our occupation of Iraq mean by winning or victory. Winning means never having to justify or explain the over 2,600 Americans killed and over 19,000 Americans injured in Iraq.

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