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Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate

(Guest Post from Big Tent Democrat)

Tom Maguire is selling black helicopters on GOP Predatorgate:

Color me skeptical. Maybe the blog author was an unwitting catspaw, but I would want some assurance that this was not simply a successful attempt to promote a story that wasn't quite ready for the Mainstream Media by laundering it through some blogs (and wasn't that Matt Drudge's ecological niche, back in the day?).

Actually, color you a GOP sycophant who has gone around the bend. But tinfoil has always been largely the province of the Right, 9/11/Diebolders notwithstanding. It penetrates the Right's "mainstream" so readily. Remember Clinton's cocaine ring? Vince Foster's murder? Those stories ended up on the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page. I guess Maguire is gunning for a slot.

Maguire is pretty funny, unintentionally of course. Like this:

KEEPING HOPE ALIVE: I welcome some help in sorting out the dates of the second wave of lurid emails and IMs. For example, one of them - "strip down and get relaxed" - was from 2003. If none of them are from 2006, then one might hope that the leadership intervention was effective.

TIMING IS EVERYTHING: Dennis Hastert sends a letter to the Attorney General requesting an investigation, and apparently he and I are on the same page wavelength . . .

Well yes McGuire, of course you are on the same wave length, saving some GOP skin. That is your wavelength.

But McGuire's commenters are the funniest:

Clarice Feldman wrote a brilliant piece on this. It's got the smell of "dirty tricks" all over it! In other words, the donks are mounting an effort (plame like?) to shill Foley by trying to get "Hastert and Reynolds."

. . . Some day, ahead. Way in the future. Someone writing about this stuff will blame the money of George Soros for really ruining the democrapic party. But I'm not a prophet. I can't foretell events. Only that I don't see a winning streak, here, for the MSM. Or their tawdry tricks.

Posted by: Carol Herman | October 01, 2006 at 12:08 PM

Thanks.

More from a poster at F.R.

"there was a news guy from Miama(Steve Rothaus, www.rothaus.net: 305-376-3770 or srothaus@MiamiHerald.com) who had posted in the comments section on September 24(the sunday before the story 'broke') seeking information. He writes on Gay Issues for the Miami Herald and has his own blog on Blogspot for South Florida Gays.

Posted by: clarice feldman | October 01, 2006 at 12:11 PM

TM, two points:

1. Mahoney could not have made those claims based on the e-mails to the LA boy alone. Everyone in D.C. knew the "open" secret that Foley was gay, and Mahoney would have looked like a gay baiter of the worst sort (not a flattering portrait for a "gay friendly" democrat) if that's all he had. He had to know that there was something coming down the pike of a damning, and irrefutable nature that outed Foley for a boy cruising perv.

2. This could not have gone to the press without the parents approval, which makes them look rather suspicious. It completely contradicts what they told Alexander--that they just wanted it to stop, and didn't want the text of the messages shared etc. Excuse me for being the cynic, but I smell money, or maybe some real deep and dirty bayou politics at work.

It looks like Hasert was the target, and yes--unless something very damning comes out that we don't know about--his office was set up. He did exactly the right thing based on the information he had. His staff acted immediately, appropriately, and according to the parent's wishes. It is not Hasert's fault that Foley lied, or that other ex-pages did not come forward. When they did, he got rid of Foley immediately.

Posted by: verner | October 01, 2006 at 12:14 PM

As to 2. It is possible that the kid gave the correspondence to someone who posted it elsewhere.

Heck, it could even have come from someone on the Hill.

But it is unfair that Hastert should be tagged for not following up when the parents blocked further investigation only to find that correspondence splashed around the world months later.

Posted by: clarice feldman | October 01, 2006 at 12:26 PM

Big Time H/T Clarice.

Posted by: Gerry Studds (D-MA) | October 01, 2006 at 12:28 PM

Clarice:Heck, it could even have come from someone on the Hill.

The only problem there, however, is that it doesn't seem like anyone outside of Alexander's office ever had access to the e-mails. They didn't share him with Hasert, because the parents didn't want them to.

And this seems just a little too sophisticated an operation without the parent's backing. Some anonymous source passes the actual e-mails on to the press, via a 16 year old, and they look into the story? Why? If you read them, on their face, there is simply no there there. You would have to have the parents backing up the allegations to give them any credibility at all.

Posted by: verner | October 01, 2006 at 12:43 PM

. . . Maybe a lefty lurker out there would like to answer a question:

If the Kos Kommunity didn't believe the Foley as Internet Stalker story, how is it you expect the GOP leadership, their most rabid opponents, to believe in it enough to kick him out of Congress?

Posted by: Rick Moran | October 01, 2006 at 01:07 PM

I meant to put that comment in a time context.

The GOP leadership found out about the emails to the former page last year.

If the Kos Kids were skeptical now, why should the leadership have taken drastic action then?

Posted by: Rick Moran | October 01, 2006 at 01:12 PM

Rick Moran, of the appropriately named RightWing Nuthouse, asked the silliest question of all -

If the Kos Kommunity didn't believe the Foley as Internet Stalker story, how is it you expect the GOP leadership, their most rabid opponents, to believe in it enough to kick him out of Congress?

This is simple, because the page had complained to the GOP leadership, via Shimkus. Becua they saw the Foley e-mails. Because they had the e-mails. Because they KNEW.

Those Krazy Kos Kids believe evidence is required before "smearing." The Right might want to consider that approach sometime.

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  • Re: Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 12:15:44 PM EST
    Thanks for the insight into alternate thinking, truly amazing, which world I do but ask? Not so Foley, a citizen of Bobo's world if ever there was one. Che, thanks for the link to the Republican scandals, (previous thread) I grant you most of it wasn't funny, but there were some references that had me rolling about,dontcha just love those family values christo hypocrits. And to show how fair and balanced I am, here's another link for anybody who missed it the first time. File under "Cor Blimey"

    Re: Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate (none / 0) (#2)
    by Tom Maguire on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 06:17:21 PM EST
    1. Gee, you were doing so well with my name - why the switch over to "McGuire"? 2. Better hustle over to DKos and trash PollyUSA - with a lot of help from curious commenters she is also probing the genesis of this story and the odd role played by that brand new website, StopSexPredators.com 3. I would be delighted to respond to your substantive points if I could find one.

    Re: Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate (none / 0) (#3)
    by jarober on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 06:17:21 PM EST
    "But tinfoil has always been largely the province of the Right, 9/11/Diebolders notwithstanding." Coming from one of the more rabid Plame-ologist sites, that's just amusing as all get out. The left has a huge problem with Bush Derangement Syndrome - just as the right had a huge problem with Clinton Derangement Syndrome. There's tinfoil enough to go around, depending on the issue. MyDD and the back pages of Daily Kos, for instance, are every bit as bad as anything the Vince Foster conspiracy nuts ever came up with.

    Re: Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 09:16:46 PM EST
    I don't know if tinfoil applies here, but it's pretty obvious that someone (or some group of people) wanted these emails to go public. StopSexPredators isn't the only website that published the Foley emails before the story broke wide open. CREW received the emails last July from someone. Who that someone was.. is a legitimate question.



    Re: Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 09:55:07 PM EST
    Is it Polly? I think the most pertinent question is what did Hastert and the GOP leadership do when they found out. Maguire does not care about that and, unlike Jeralyn, i am not nice enough to treat Maguire with respect, as I do not believe he deserves it. I understand you and others from the Plame period think otherwise. I disagreed with most of you then on Maguire and still do.

    Re: Black Helicopters: GOP PredatorGate (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 08:12:57 AM EST
    Big Tent Democrat, Yes, it's Polly My comment here isn't about Maguire. I agree with you regarding what is the most pertinent question (what did Hastert and the GOP leadership do when they found out), that question is being answered in the press and on the blogs. The Foley emails were leaked to the ST Petersburg Times last fall, other news organizations (according to ST Petersburg Times), CREW, StopSexPredators, and Wonkette received a tip that the mails were on StopSexPredators. The emails posted at StopSexPredators do not match the emails posted at CREW, NBC or ABC. Were the pages or interns trying to get this information out or was it people from the gay community...or both...or none of the above.

    Wanting to know how this story broke, doesn't take anything away from the questions regarding the actions/inactions of the house leadership.