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Thursday Open Thread

I'm on the road today, traveling to New York for the annual Lexis-Nexis/Martindale Legal Advisory Board meeting. Lexis and Martindale are my favorite companies and it's the best meeting I attend all year. Every year they take us to another spot, we've been to Bermuda, Canada and all over the U.S. It would be close to impossible for me to either practice law or blog without Lexis-Nexis. To serve on their legal advisory board, as I've done the last ten years, is really a privilege for me.

In addition, the TL kid is in NY, and whatever time I'm not with Lexis, I'll be with him. I'll have my laptop and will not be absent completely, and I hope TChris and Big Tent Democrat (and maybe even Last Night in Little Rock, if he's angry enough about something) will be keeping you updated.

But just in case, here's some space for you to comment and keep each other apprised of what's going on in the world.

I suspect Denny Hastert will resign his leadership post before I return to Denver Sunday night, but I've been wrong before. What do you think?

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    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by clayton on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 06:57:46 AM EST
    Yes, Hassert will resign. So should "Boner", Pryce, Reynolds, et. al. Soon they will begin "outing" gay lawmekers and staff of both parties.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by profmarcus on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 07:06:49 AM EST
    i have waited anxiously over nearly 6 years for important members of the bush cabal to fall and i've been disappointed every time as i watch them ride out the storm, spin their stories and alibis, and basically flip the obscene digit to the citizens who so foolishly granted them power in the first place... while i would like very much to see hastert forfeit his seat, i am not going to hold my breath... And, yes, I DO take it personally

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 07:47:28 AM EST
    Soon they will begin "outing" gay lawmekers and staff of both parties
    I fear you may be right....the republicans can not be allowed to spin this into a gay issue...when it is clearly a sexual harassment/sexual predator/abuse of power/cover up issue.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 07:47:28 AM EST
    Yup. he will announce by the end of the day on Friday. Of course, the end of the day for congressmen is much earlier than that of us working folks, so I am not sure what time he will announce.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 07:47:28 AM EST
    Why does this feel like a coup by Blunt against Hastert? And whose pocket is Blunt in? It's quite clear the emails were leaked by a Republican, so this is so much internecine warfare among them, and also serves to stir up their religious base. In a note which is probably unrelated, I paid $1.989 for regular this morning. Most of the local places are in the $2.12-$2.19 range, but this is an off-brand place that reflects price movements pretty rapidly. Word coming from a friend of a friend of a friend, who's a high executive at a major oil company, is that the majors are and have been refining and pumping all the gas they can, such that they have no storage available for it. All well and good for consumers right now, I guess. But I'm compelled to ask why companies which have just made some of the largest quarterly profits in the history of mankind (and presumably understand capitalism) would do something so inimical to their own profits as continue to refine, pump and sell at max volume into a glutted market, such that the retail price of their prime product drops 25% or so in a month or a month and a half? (N.B. The refining devoted to gas now, makes for less home heating oil later.) Assuming this is a manipulation of the market (and with consolidation being the way it has played out, there would only have to be about 10 or 20 people in on it), I can hypothesize this as a great way to (a) try to keep Repugs from being voted out (nothing to stir up voter anger like high gas prices) and (b) set up the blue states (which, by and large, get cold winters) for punishing through higher heating bills immediately following the elections, whatever the result. I'm not saying this is so, but rather just saying it's a sensible reading of the situation.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 07:47:28 AM EST
    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 08:08:52 AM EST
    Just when you thought Fox News couldn't go any lower, they do. In this instance, Kansan "Pastor" Fred Phelps from godhatesfags.com, leader of protests at funerals of soldiers, cops, etc., threatened to bring his merry band of troubled souls to protest at the funerals of the Amish schoolgirls. Something about how they brought it on themselves.... Fox gallantly stepped in and defused the threat by giving him an hour of radio airtime to spew his bile.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:25:47 AM EST
    test

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:25:47 AM EST
    test

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:25:47 AM EST
    Clayton - I think the Left started outing people yesterday...

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:40:58 AM EST
    Everyone who hasn't should read FIASCO by Thomas Ricks. And scroll down just a tad to see and interview with the author on Bill Maher's show. Nothing to please the partisan on any side, simply the hard ugly truth.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 12:49:08 PM EST
    Well Hastert will be out of his job anyway. There will be lots of new faces in congress next term. Good. Step 1. Take your oath. Step 2. Redeploy the troops Step 3. Impeach those MF's.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Patrick on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 01:38:17 PM EST
    Scribe, Is that why they put him on? Well I'll have to thank them if by doing so stopped him from interfering with those funerals. That was a very nice gesture. As an aside, putting that guy on national TV can't hurt. He's so obviously and idiot and now more people will know.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jen M on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 01:38:17 PM EST
    Thank goodness some one deflected Phelps and his misfits from those funerals. Even if it does taste a bit like bargaining with terrorists. Let him talk on the radio station, everyone can turn the dial.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 08:42:31 PM EST
    re the Good Rev. Phelps and his band of pranksters: I pass on the report, you decide. After all, if it's on Gawker.com, I take it as gospel truth. But, a little more seriously, having grown up on the edges of Amish country and having a slightly-more-than-passing acquaintance with their ways I opine it would likely have been the English who would have been more offended and affected had Phelps and his folks shown up at the funerals. The Amish are deeply pacifist, and deeply into forgiveness as a way of life and answer to all wrongs. An excerpt:
    The Rev. Robert Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, was one of the only "English," as the Amish call outsiders, to be invited to a viewing. He called it "a gift given to me by God" to have seen the mourners' quiet grace. "There was no animosity or bitterness or anger," he said. "They were praying for the gunman and his family." Dressed in black, groups of men and woman sat separately on plain benches in the front rooms of the bereaved farm families. It was quiet enough to hear the snorting of their horses out front. "One moment they might be crying, the next they are smiling over something they remember about the child," Rhoads said. Viewing the body is very important to the Amish, and so the coffins were open, despite the grievous physical damage the girls suffered. The Amish prohibit using cosmetics on the body. "One moment they might be crying, the next they are smiling over something they remember about the child," Rhoads said. Viewing the body is very important to the Amish, and so the coffins were open, despite the grievous physical damage the girls suffered. The Amish prohibit using cosmetics on the body. "The head wounds were very apparent," said Schenck, who went to 13-year-old Marian Fisher's viewing. "There was a bandage of sorts on her head, but the concave outline of the wound was clear. That was very jarring to see." And yet, he said, it wasn't gruesome. Indeed, he was moved to tears watching Marian's mother gently tend to her daughter. "Her mother was very tenderly adjusting the wrapping around the body. She was swaddling her daughter, caring for her. It was very clear that this mother was very proud of her daughter. She obviously loved this little girl," Schenck said. The mother encouraged Marian's 10-year-old sister to touch the older girl's cold limbs. "It's part of realizing that's she's really gone now, that she's really in heaven," Rhoads said. Schenck said Marian's grandfather told the assembled children they "must not think evil of this man who did this." The viewings were especially hard on the two sets of parents whose daughters are among the five girls still battling for life. "They really aren't able to visit the children in the hospital as much as they'd like to. They have to concentrate on funerals," Rhoads said. In keeping with all aspects of Amish life, today's services will be unadorned, humble and intently focused on God. About 500 people are expected to attend the four funerals, to be held in large barns. The funeral for the fifth girl, Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12, will be tomorrow. There will be no flowers or singing, though hymns will be chanted. There will be no eulogies: The Amish believe praise is for the Lord, not the dead. And though the massacre caught the horrified attention of the world, there will be no tearful relatives flown to New York to appear on morning TV shows, no pictures of the victims getting their own mournful theme song on CNN, no book deals. For once, there will be dignity.
    Seems to work, too. They've been going over to the killer's family, to make sure his widow and children are all right:
    Amish elders have also set up a fund for Roberts' three children. According to King, a district deacon said, "'If we hear they've got $5 and we've got a thousand, we must go help them.' The ultimate mission of this group is about forgiveness."
    And then, they'll clean up and get on with life. - - - Back to my cheap-gas morning, more analysis on the issue of "Why?" and "Why now?"

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Sailor on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:02:56 PM EST
    Clayton - I think the Left started outing people yesterday...
    and ppj is OK with outing people as long as they are children and the victims of republicans.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:59:49 AM EST
    Phelps is the poster child for street justice. He just needs a beat down. One day he will show up at the wrong funeral and get one.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 07:40:34 PM EST
    kdog: Which is exactly why the Amish way of dealing with even mass murderers is exactly the right way. Beat Phelps down, Fox will be there to blast that video and stories about it for years to come. Phelps = martyr. On the other hand, recognize Phelps is a nutjob, forgive him, and he'll get tired or move on where he can get the rise you propose to give him. Because, by forgiving (and that doesn't mean "whatever you did is all right and just go on doing it", rather, it just means not letting it bother you) one disempowers the wrongdoer and frees oneself from being aggravated about it. It's wholly impractical, wholly irrational, and wholly effective.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 07:40:34 PM EST
    Sailor - I went to your link, and I gotta tell you. Your claim is absolutely false. But what else is new??

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:11:18 PM EST
    The great American baseball player Buck O'Neill has died. Have a good journey, Buck. You deserve to be in the Hall of Fame for a lifetime spent spreading the gospel of the great American pastime and it's diverse history.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 08:48:09 AM EST
    Is There Still a Terrorist Threat?: The Myth of the Omnipresent Enemy by John Mueller, writing for the Council on Foreign Relations publication "Foreign Affairs' Despite all the ominous warnings of wily terrorists and imminent attacks, there has been neither a successful strike nor a close call in the United States since 9/11. The reasonable -- but rarely heard -- explanation is that there are no terrorists within the United States, and few have the means or the inclination to strike from abroad. ... On the first page of its founding manifesto, the massively funded Department of Homeland Security intones, "Today's terrorists can strike at any place, at any time, and with virtually any weapon." But if it is so easy to pull off an attack and if terrorists are so demonically competent, why have they not done it? Why have they not been sniping at people in shopping centers, collapsing tunnels, poisoning the food supply, cutting electrical lines, derailing trains, blowing up oil pipelines, causing massive traffic jams, or exploiting the countless other vulnerabilities that, according to security experts, could so easily be exploited? ... A fully credible explanation for the fact that the United States has suffered no terrorist attacks since 9/11 is that the threat posed by homegrown or imported terrorists -- like that presented by Japanese Americans during World War II or by American Communists after it -- has been massively exaggerated. Is it possible that the haystack is essentially free of needles? ... Although it remains heretical to say so, the evidence so far suggests that fears of the omnipotent terrorist -- reminiscent of those inspired by images of the 20-foot-tall Japanese after Pearl Harbor or the 20-foot-tall Communists at various points in the Cold War (particularly after Sputnik) -- may have been overblown, the threat presented within the United States by al Qaeda greatly exaggerated. The massive and expensive homeland security apparatus erected since 9/11 may be persecuting some, spying on many, inconveniencing most, and taxing all to defend the United States against an enemy that scarcely exists.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 08:48:09 AM EST
    If Phelps and his fellow maniacs showed up at a funeral for one of my loved ones, I'd make them regret it, consequences be damned. Points well taken scribe, but I think Phelps will get his media attention just by continuing to show up at funerals. He may as well catch the beating he so richly deserves. I support his right to free speech, but I also expect him to be served a knuckle sandwich for saying such terrible things. I'd tune into Fox to see that...and instead of making a martyr, we'd make a hero of the guy who cleaned his clock.