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The Simple Mind of David Broder

He never fails to live down to my expectations. David Broder can be counted on to repeat the false GOP talking point, this time on Scooter Libby's obstruction of justice:

Like other special prosecutors before him, Fitzgerald got caught up in the excitement of the case and pursued Libby relentlessly, well beyond the time that was reasonable. Nonetheless, on the fundamental point, Walton and Fitzgerald have it right. Libby let his loyalty to his boss and to the administration cloud his judgment -- and perhaps his memory -- in denying that he was part of the effort to discredit the Wilson pair. Lying to a grand jury is serious business, especially when it is done by a person occupying a high government position where the public trust is at stake.

Earth to David Broder. Obstruction of justice blocks the investigation of the underlying crime. Libby's perjury was part of obstructing Fitzgerald's investigation of the underlying crime. We will not know if there was an "underlying crime" (Broder's phrase for knowingly disclosing the identity of a covert intelligence officer in violation of the IIPA) BECAUSE of Libby's obstruction. The man is pure and simple, an idiot, not very bright. He is appropriately, the Dean of the Washington Press Corps. What an indictment of the Washington Press Corps.

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    He doesn't visit earth anymore (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 10:22:25 PM EST
    it's too partisan!

    No. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 10:52:12 PM EST
    He's an idiot. You had it right the first time.

    People who believe Broder (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 10:57:57 PM EST
    aren't very bright either.

    Parent
    He is not an idiot. (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by shpilk on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:35:09 PM EST
    Broder's job is to protect the Bush administration. And he's doing just that, by framing - look at the 3 paragraphs.

    Despite the absence of any underlying crime, Fitzgerald filed charges against Libby for denying to the FBI and the grand jury that he had discussed the Wilson case with reporters. Libby was convicted on the testimony of reporters from NBC, the New York Times and Time magazine -- a further provocation to conservatives.

    I think they have a point. This whole controversy is a sideshow -- engineered partly by the publicity-seeking former ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife and heightened by the hunger in parts of Washington to "get" Rove for something or other.

    Like other special prosecutors before him, Fitzgerald got caught up in the excitement of the case and pursued Libby relentlessly, well beyond the time that was reasonable.

    This is framing, and Broder comes right out and makes Fitzgerald out to be a tool or a fool, Joe and Valerie Wilson out to be vengeful partisans, Scooter Libby as an innocent [but failthful!] dunce and Karl Rove as an angel.

    The line 'was convicted on the testimony of reporters from NBC, the New York Times and Time magazine' is the dead giveaway, when Broder even admits it enraged conservatives, the ball game is over.

    Broder is not an idiot, he's acting quite simply as a corporate mouthpiece for a crime syndicate, twisting and distorting the truth to make his client look good. That is what Broder's job is: it has nothing to do with journalism, or the truth.

    distorting the truth to make his client look good (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:45:54 PM EST
    It's not working. Broider is not helping them much, if at all.
    Libby got clocked with a 30-month prison sentence after being convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Valerie Plame matter, and now squadrons of GOP die-hards are insisting that Bush pardon him before he goes to jail. On the surface, debate over whether or not to pardon Libby centers around how much more scandal and public disgrace this administration can endure. The Post story reports that several White House aides are deeply concerned that a Libby pardon risks "renewing questions about the truthfulness of the Bush administration."

    Perish the thought.

    Beneath this simplistic surface, however, boils a cauldron of deeper and far more complicated troubles. Bush, Cheney, the administration as a whole, and the entire Republican Party face the simultaneous eruption of several potential catastrophes, which, if they were to coalesce into one gargantuan avalanche, could very well render all prior problems quaint by comparison.
    ...
    The newest Pew Research Center poll shows Bush's overall popularity coming in just under that of scabies and bubonic plague.

    Link

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    You are quoting William Pitt in (none / 0) (#13)
    by shpilk on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 01:36:26 AM EST
    response to me? Why? What does that accomplish?

    Pitt's analysis has zero to do with 98% of what Americans read or think. Broder speaks to a wide swath of 'middle America'.

    I agree with Pitt's analysis, but his audience - that's you and me doesn't matter.

     

    Parent

    If the 98% (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 04:54:30 AM EST
    were swayed by Broder you wouldn't agree with Pitt's analysis because it wouldn't reflect what they think.

    Parent
    edger (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:10:33 AM EST
    The Post story reports that several White House aides are deeply concerned that a Libby pardon risks "renewing questions about the truthfulness of the Bush administration."

    These aide, if they even actually exist since they aren't named, need to understand that there is nothing that Bush can do they will make the Left any more angry or any less vengeful.

    Parent

    there is a kernel of truth (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:35:24 AM EST
    in your attempt to mioss the point.

    There is nothing bush can do that will restorehis credibility with the American People.

    Have you read any polls in the last 3 years.

    It is the Ameroican People that are disgusted woth the Bush Administration

    Only blind, obtuse diehards remain loyal and happy with BushCo.

    Parent

    And shills with vested interest. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:42:05 AM EST
    Even them I'm not so sure about 'loyal and happy'. Maybe more that they still make the 'right' noises.

    Parent
    BTD (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:03:25 AM EST
    My point was, is and will remain as I wrote.

    Bush needs to ignore the BS and try and keep the WOT on track.

    And please. You don't have to "like" Bush to recognize he needs to do certain things.

    Parent

    The WOT fastasy :is: the BS, ppj. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:18:59 AM EST
    But you know that. The only connection that your WOT fantasy has to reality is that it is nothing more than a propaganda slogan to sell to the suckers, ppj. After four plus years we're getting there.

    But we do need to ignore your BS and keep the thread on track.


    Parent

    What is the WOT? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:34:19 AM EST
    What is the goal of the WOT?

    [Other than a useful devise to keep telling voters to be afraid, be very afraid and elect the biggest, baddest, meanest in the valley of the shadow of death you can find or at least the candidate whose PR says s/he is the biggest, baddest, meanest in the valley of the shadow of death]

    How does Iraq further the goals of the WOT? How did letting Bin ladin escape further the goal of the WOT?



    Parent

    That was not what you wrote (none / 0) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:34:32 AM EST
    Try again Jim. Or better yet, write what you mean instead of attacks on the "Left" (read the American People).

    Parent
    He is not an idiot at doing his job (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:53:24 PM EST
    as a journalist. Obviously he's been around the block enough times to know how to do it - even if it isn't producing the results he intends for his 'clients'.

    What makes hims an idiot is "acting quite simply as a corporate mouthpiece for a crime syndicate, twisting and distorting the truth".

    Parent

    no, that (none / 0) (#14)
    by shpilk on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 01:39:51 AM EST
    makes David Broder a traitor to his profession, and I'd like to say he's a traitor to the best interests of the United States, as well.

    But journalists aren't required to utter an oath of allegiance to the nation.  

    He's still not an idiot. I'm sure he's either being compensated handsomely for his 'work', or Karl Rove has something really ugly hanging over his head.

    Parent

    Well.... the meaning of 'is' (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 04:25:42 AM EST
    Personally I think selling his soul makes him the biggest idiot of all. ;-)

    Parent
    Almost (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 01:13:04 PM EST
    There are people who hang on his every word. ppj, for example.

    Parent
    shilk (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:12:48 AM EST
    But journalists aren't required to utter an oath of allegiance to the nation.  

    So, if you were a jounalist would you consider your first job to be to protect the nation and the troops???

    And if not, why not?? You live here.

    Parent

    PPJ speaks from ignorance (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:18:40 PM EST
    if you were a jounalist would you consider your first job to be to protect the nation and the troops???

    I HAVE been a journalist, and my first job was to make truthful statements in print, and not to allow those who were being written about to decide whether the truth about them and their activities should appear.  They have legal recourse to my statements only if they are untrue (and meet a few other conditions, but if the statements are true, the other conditions do not apply).

    Cynical politicians and bloggers invoking "protect[ing]the nation and the troops" as a reason not to print truth that exposes criminal conduct harmful to the nation and the troops did not come up during any of my journalism classes.

    Parent

    et al (1.00 / 3) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 10:48:46 PM EST
    Hmmmmm... and here I thought Armitage had confessed...

    Guess that wasn't good enough.

    And obviously... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Dadler on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:12:24 PM EST
    ...if it were that simple we'd never have gotten this far.  Unless you think a Republican like Fitzgerald was bought off by liberals to keep it going.  

    There were no underlying charges to Clinton's perjury case either -- Paula Jones case was thrown out because it had less than no merit -- so I assume he gets a pass from you as well.  How can you lie about a crime if none happened, right?

    Parent

    Dadler (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 08:56:01 AM EST
    Seeing as how the search was for who leaked Mrs. Wilson's name, it occurs to me that it was just that simple.

    As for Clinton, I never thought his "perjury" rated a second thought. The Paula Jones case was settled by Clinton paying her $850,000 while the case was on appeal. Why do you leave things like that off?

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    Talk to the jury (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:28:42 AM EST
    Scooter had his day in court.  He was defended by millions of dollars worth of legal talent, and no one, not even you, can say he was not afforded every protection available to him through the Constitution.

    The jury decided that his actions of repeatedly and consciously lying to investigators and under oath to a Grand Jury violated the law, which is the "underlying crime" for which he was sentenced to prison.  It was not Scooter Libby's privilege, nor is it yours, to decide which aspects of his testimony should be truthful and which should not, based on HIS interpretation of the "underlying" reasons for which he was being questioned.

    You were not a member of that jury and you have demonstrated only a superficial knowledge of the issues under consideration, so your opinion of the verdict is worth exactly what mine is: nothing.

    Justice was served according to the letter of the law.

    What a country!

    Parent

    RePack (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:16:43 AM EST
    So, this was just about the law??

    You see, Walton is not just in the business of enforcing the law. He is also committed to steering youths in the right direction. This case will help.

    I hope Broder is wrong.

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    PPJ (hearts) anarchy! (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:58:15 AM EST
    I hope Broder is wrong.

    Of course.  A judge who cares about providing an example for young people about the importance of the rule of law is probably...  What?  A Communist? A Democratic Clinton appointee?  Wait, he is a Republican appointed by Bush.

    Just so we're clear, why shouldn't a judge use his position to provide examples of the importance of the rule of law?  Is there someone MORE qualified?

    Why shouldn't a judge care about the future of our country as expressed through its younger members?

    I'm having a hard time understanding why the rule of law is so abhorrent to you, since the alternative is chaos and anarchy of the sort we have created in Iraq.  

    Perhaps you will explain why you prefer anarchy to the rule of law.  And what are the odds that your answer will be incoherent, poorly spelled and couched in garbled syntax?

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    Hmm (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:31:08 AM EST
    Jim, Molly has told you this repeatedly and I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse - there was more than one leaker.

    Indeed, there were 3.

    One of the 3 lied about what he was doing. It is clear that THAT one lied to protect his boss, the Vice President of the United States.

    It is also clear that THAT person, the Vice Preswident of the United States, orchestrated the release of the classified information.

    Please stick to the facts.

    As for Clinton, he paid Jones legal fees to end the controversy. There was no case. No one pays that money on appeal from fear of token damages award. Jones had no substantive case. It was financed by a VRWC, and that is a fact.  

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    BTD and MB (1.00 / 2) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:51:36 AM EST
    Nope. I believe this was politically inspired from the start and that Fitzgerald was co-opted into it.

    I also believe that once someone tells "something" as Armitage did it is no longer a secret, and anyone else who then talks/writes about it is guilty of nothing and there should be no GJ, no FBI and no SP actions.

    It is simply a matter of Pandora's Box being opened, and telling people to not discuss it is nothing more than censorship and you would scream like crazy if it was applied to what you considered newsworthy.

    One of the most important parts of this whole "thing" goes back to late June or early July of 2003 when Noval called the CIA. That the CIA did not make any particular attempt to keep him from writing the article clearly demonstrates they did not think Mrs. Wilson important and/or covert. Remember the law says the CIA and Agent must attempt to keep their status secret.

    The second is Wilson's NYT article. Did he, or she, really think he could write an article and not have her identity become known??

    Good grief. That should stagger the mind of anyone who is the least bit familar with the news cycle of the MSM. As soon as the question, "Who is this guy?" gets asked, "Who is his wife?" follows. Again, good grief. His wife worked at Langley!

    This whole thing became important only after the Demos decided to manufacture a scandal. At that point the CIA had to respond, or claim that Novak lied. They also faced questions about why they used Wilson, and why they didn't make him sign a non-disclosure agreement.


    ..... superlawyer David Boies said Fitzgerald never should have prosecuted Libby because there was no underlying criminal violation. Boies scoffed at Fitzgerald's contention that Libby had obstructed him from exposing criminal activity. Boies, who represented Al Gore in the 2000 election dispute, is hardly a Bush sympathizer. But neither is he a Democratic partisan trying to milk this obscure scandal.

    So please. Quit waving partial facts and incomplete sceneros in front of me. The Repubs zapped Clinton when they shouldn't, and the partasians on the Demo side returned fire.

    That's politics. It is also 101% wrong. Just as we wonder what effect his "problems" had on his adminitrations ability to focus on the growing radical Moslem threat, we will, sooner or later, be asking the same thing about the non-crime prosecution of Libby.

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    David Boies (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by sphealey on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:23:55 AM EST
    > ..... superlawyer David Boies said
    >  Fitzgerald never should have
    >  prosecuted Libby because there was
    > no underlying criminal violation.

    David Boies.  Let's see, that is the "superlawyer" who (1) is assisting The SCO Group in its attempt to steal the work of thousands of Linux(tm) programmers around the world, and is getting his butt kicked pretty badly by IBM (2) who is also getting his butt kicked by his (former) gardner who is representing himself pro se.  

    That's a lawyer I would depend on.

    sPh

    Parent

    So???? (1.00 / 1) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:33:05 AM EST
    I don't know if you are a lawyer... but if you are, could you please tell me what cases you have won and lost????

    The point is that here we have a lawyer who was evidently good enough to work on the Gore claims and suits when the Presidancy of the US was at stake, and who is not a Repub..... says what he said...

    Perhaps BTD can arrange a debate betweem the two of you?????

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    And the outcome... (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by sphealey on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:37:08 AM EST
    > The point is that here we have a lawyer
    >  who was evidently good enough to work
    > on the Gore claims and suits when the
    >  Presidancy of the US was at stake,

    And the outcome of that brilliant legal strategy was?  I understand the concept of the hopeless case, but I tend to pick doctors who have a reputation of saving their patients not killing them.

    > and who is not a Repub.....

    That's debatable.

    sPh

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    David Boies is wrong (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:37:00 AM EST
    Do you think he was right about Gore?

    Parent
    You believe a lot of things Jim. (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:49:41 AM EST
    Your aprior beliefs are not law. Your pathetic defense that  because Armitage leaked  Libby can't be guilty is also not a correct statement of law, so don't expect us to take you seriously.

    You may believe and think what you like- I personally believe you have discovered that Malt does more than Milton...

    Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink
    For fellows whom it hurts to think:
    Look into the pewter pot  
    To see the world as the world's not.
    And faith, 'tis pleasant till 'tis past:
    The mischief is that 'twill not last.

     



    Parent

    MB (1.00 / 1) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:14:59 PM EST
    Of course they aren't law. I have never claimed to be one. But the law and the facts are two separate things. Will you dispute that??

    If you want to narrow the focus to perjury and obstruction, it obviously is an attempt to ignore the bigger picture, just as Libby's supporters want to bring in the bigger picture.

    So, at its narrowest focus I do not believe Libby is guilty as charged. If he is guilty of anything it is a poor memory.

    Where were you on 7/06/03 MB??

    Can't answer??

    Off to jail with you!!

    BTW - Since You like poetry, here are my thoughts on your true belief of the situation.

    Yesterday upon the stair
    I met a man who wasn't there.
    He wasn't there again today
    Oh how I wish he'd go away.

    -- Mearns

    The truth is just so stubborn, eh?

    Parent

    I don't want to narrow the focus (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:25:29 PM EST
    I know I would like to have seen leak prosecution taken as far as it would go, but unfortunately Libby prevented that.

    I doubt any Libby supporter wants to go really wants to widen the focus either.



    Parent

    bummer (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:28:20 PM EST
    try this one



    Parent

    Everone's Wrong but ppj (4.50 / 2) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:24:46 PM EST
    Scooter Libby sat on a wall.
    Scooter Libby had a great fall.
    Judge Walton, the Jury and all the millions couldn't put Libby back together again.

    Dissembling just like the big boys do, ppj?

    Parent

    Its not clear (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:43:07 AM EST
    That President Clinton committed perjury. Not to go way off topic, but Perjury requires more than just a lie or omission under oath. It requires materiality

    We may not like the fact the President Clinton lied, but it was bnot per se a crime.  Libby's lie was material.



    Parent

    Perhaps (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:13:20 AM EST
    If you read WaPo's actual reporter covering the story you would know the facts better on the case.

    Try reading her column today Jim.

    Learn something.

    Parent

    BTD (1.00 / 1) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:00:14 AM EST
    You write:

    Learn something.

    If I learn something I doubt it will be associated with something from you.

    Thanks for the snark. You continue to define your style.

    Parent

    Fair enough Jim (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:35:25 AM EST
    Don't learn something.

    Parent
    If you want to prosecute Armitage be my guest (4.66 / 3) (#6)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:19:24 PM EST
    Armitage's actions don't absolve Scooter. But you know that, because you have  been told this before.

    I have no doubt the fact this has been pointed out to you before and again right now, will not keep you from making the same silly comment in the future, however.

    As someone else commented, "feigned inability to understand is a poor rhetorical device".



    Parent

    Molly B (1.00 / 3) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:04:39 AM EST
    I have been told many things many times by people who wanted me to kowtow to them. Didn't do it then and I'm not going to do it to you.

    It is my understanding that Fitzgerald knew about Armitage's confession the second day he was on the job.

    Now, explain to me what else needed to be known??
    You can claim Comey's memo all you like but it doesn't justify the actions and political lynching of Libby.

    Parent

    The names of the people leaking the information (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:22:59 AM EST
    Why would you only go after one leaker when the evidence shows there was more than one leaker operating at the same time? Other than the fact you love the Bush Administration more than you love America...

    Once more

    the overwhelming weight of the evidence at the trial -- including reporters' notes of their interviews with Libby -- showed that Libby had indeed leaked classified information about Plame's identity

    Libby leaked classified information to several reporters. Libby then lied about leaking classified information in an investigation about who was/were the person or persons doing the leaking.

    Simple enough even for you.



    Parent

    And the points you have never responded to (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by sphealey on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:29:46 AM EST
    > It is my understanding that Fitzgerald
    > knew about Armitage's confession the
    >  second day he was on the job.
    >
    > Now, explain to me what else needed
    > to be known??

    And the three points you have never responded to:

    1. One person leaking classified information, such as the identity of a covert agent, does not absolve other people of legal liability for leaking the same information.  The classification does not evaporate when one person leaks.  Particularly, but not exclusively, when the multiple leaks occur around the same time.  So even if Armitage was the "primary leaker" (an assumption for which there is no public evidence, since Fitzgerald hasn't released it) that doesn't mean there couldn't be other people who committed the same crime.  

    2. The possibility that there was a group of people who conspired to break the cover of a key CIA undercover operation, and that once busted Armitage agreed to be the fall guy.  Particularly knowing that Fitzgerald has a history of going easy(ier) on people who "confess".

    3. The possibility that there was a higher entity (that is Cheney in case you can't read an organization chart) who directed the outing of the CIA operation, and who was protected by Libby's obstruction and perjury from being investigated.

    I am sure once again you will ignore these points.  

    sPh

    Parent

    You must be joking (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:58:06 AM EST
    Read my respomse to MB and BTD (above).

    You write:

    The possibility that there was a group of people who conspired to break the cover of a key CIA undercover operation, and that once busted Armitage agreed to be the fall guy.  Particularly knowing that Fitzgerald has a history of going easy(ier) on people who "confess".

    Armitage was not busted. He came forward in September, three months before Fitzgerald was made SP.

    See my comments re the CIA's failures and Wilson writing an article he must have known would attract attention.

    If Cheney did what you claim, why didn't Fitzgerald move on Armitage???

    Parent

    Self-justifying questions (none / 0) (#43)
    by sphealey on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:34:16 AM EST
    > If Cheney did what you claim,
    > why didn't Fitzgerald move on
    > Armitage???

    These self-justifying obfuscatory questions can only be answered if we know whether or not their was a conspiracy.  Which we can't know, due to obstruction of justice and perjury.  As Fitzgerald explained in his post-indictment press conference and sentencing memo.

    But you know that - you are just contributing to the smoke screen.  

    sPh

    Parent

    Really, really, really (1.00 / 1) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:24:56 PM EST
    Amazing....You make my point..

    If we had some ham we'd have some ham and eggs if we had some eggs....

    Armitage was judged to not have committed a crime. Yet he confessed to having leaked.....He spoke with Novak in July, prior to Novak's column...The CIA wasn't interested in shutting Novak down...Mrs Wilson worked at CIA headquarters... Joe W wrote an attention getting column...

    What conspiracy was there?? One to leak what had been leaked??? Leaked??? Heck, it had been broadcast!!!!!!!

    Good grief.

    Parent

    Lousy Dissemblation ppj (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:30:59 PM EST
    The CIA wasn't interested in shutting Novak down.

    Wrong. Novak was told not to write about Plame by Cia spokesman Bill Harlow

    Parent

    Thanks for making my point. (1.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 02:56:43 PM EST
    Perhaps you should read your links:

    The then-CIA spokesman, Bill Harlow, told the columnist that the story he had gotten about Wilson's wife's role was not correct. Novak has written that Harlow said the CPD officials selected Wilson but that she "was delegated to request his help."

    Harlow has said that he told Novak that if he wrote about the trip, he should not mention Wilson's wife's name. Novak, who published her maiden name -- Valerie Plame -- has written that Harlow's request was "meaningless" because "once it was determined that Wilson's wife suggested the mission, she could be identified as 'Valerie Plame' by reading her husband's entry in 'Who's Who in America.' "

    As I have noted, evidently the CIA didn't really care, or else should admit to make a very serious mistake. Since they haven't, I'll stand on my comment. At that point in time it was not a Demo driven scandal. They didn't care.

    Parent

    I gather the option of writing the story (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 03:22:02 PM EST
    with no mention of Ms. Plame's role was not an option for Novak. Wonder why he hates America and wanted to aid the terrorists?

    Given this:

    Bill Harlow, told the columnist that the story he had gotten about Wilson's wife's role was not correct. Novak has written that Harlow said the CPD officials selected Wilson...

    Did even mentioning her minor role advance the story at all? No.

    Unless someone was trying to create a scandal story (all in good service to the party, of course).

    Since the CIA said don't mention her, and they referred the case for prosecution, I think we can safely say they cared.




    Parent

    Utter BS (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 03:35:47 PM EST
    A real doozy this time.

    Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson's wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.


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    Argue with Novak (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:40:25 PM EST
    One crime (4.75 / 4) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:26:46 AM EST
    if you want to call Armitage's actions a crime, his knowledege of Plame's status is not something we know and he testified he did not know presumably, woud not make a subsequent violation not a violation.

    Indeed, the leak to Novak by Armitage came after Libby had engaged in his systematic attempt to get the information about Plame out.

    It is interesting that Libby did not go to Novak and obvious at the same time.

    Novak hated and hates the neocons.

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#10)
    by jarober on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:57:55 PM EST
    So then,

    Starr was also doing fine work?  

    No (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:11:54 AM EST
    Why would you say that? Was Starr investigsating the potential violation of the IIPA? Why no, he was investigating Whitewater.

    What Whitewater had to do with Paula Jones' civil suit against Clinton is for you to explain.

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    You can start by explaining (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 08:14:37 AM EST
    why a lie regarding consenual sex with  one person was material to a case about alleged non-consenual sex with a different person.

    Then, if you can, explain why lying about revealing a CIA agent's status to reporters was not material in a case about revealing a CIA agent's status to reporters.



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    digby (none / 0) (#15)
    by Turkana on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 02:14:29 AM EST
    absolutely eviscerated broder and his ilk, last month:

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/who-do-they-think-they-are-by-digby-in.html

    one of the best blog posts i've read.

    i don't have the link, but i remember broder's infamous column about the moral outrage of clinton's lie. broder's hypocrisy is, well- broder.

    not very bright (none / 0) (#16)
    by chemoelectric on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 04:04:06 AM EST
    Not very bright, and unaware of that.

    Don't be a Broder (none / 0) (#19)
    by koshembos on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 07:04:07 AM EST
    What's the point of repeatedly calling Broder and Klein morons? Even the gallery chimes in with the same refrain.

    Isn't it more interesting to find out why our MSM is loaded with Broders, whatever their actual last name is - Klein, Friedman, Ignatius, etc. - and wherever they write.

    Did you ever consider the possibility the most CEO are Broders, except that they are also major ass holes. Did you know that more than half the lawyers are Broders and so are the docs.

    Are you Don Quixoting, which may be very heroing, but also futile and boring.

    I didn't call Klein a moron (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:22:30 AM EST
    The opposite.

    I call Broder not very bright because I believe he is not very bright.

    Do you prefer someone who pulls his punches? Then read someone else.

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    you start pulling punches or suffering fools (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:46:19 AM EST
    gladly and you will lose several readers.



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    Jim (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:56:37 AM EST
    I deleted your comment for obvious reasons.

    BTD (1.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 08:34:42 PM EST
    Well, since you didn't say which one, who knows and why??

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    parsing words (none / 0) (#65)
    by diogenes on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 11:46:19 PM EST
    It isn't a matter of using Armitage's leak to somehow "excuse" Libby's leak.  NO ONE has been convicted of leaking any secrets, or even indicted.  If Libby really "obviously" leaked Plame's covert status, as people around here think, then why in heaven's name didn't Fitz at least indict the man for it?

    Have (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 12:10:50 AM EST
    You read anything about the case? Obviously you have missed a lot.

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