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Carving Up McCain: What's Stopping You?

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Posted on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:35:06 PM EST
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Via Blogometer, Mike Lux writes:

[W]e've reached that juncture where it seems better for us to turn our attention to defining McCain rather than carving up each other."

Due respect to Mike, what is stopping you? Unless the us is the candidates, I see no reason why any person, Media organ or blogger who wants to turn their attention to McCain can not do so. What's stopping them?

NBC and bloggers, from list A to Z, are all proclaiming Hillary can not win. Then do not sweat the contest. What's the worry? That Hillary is going to question Obama's experience? Oooooh. And gawd knows John McCain won't right? Morever, are you sure the Media will defend Obama as they do now when Hillary is not his opponent?

A lot of folks are going to be in for a rude awakening if/when Obama gets the nomination and they discover their new BFFs in the Media are not so nice when a Clinton is not the opponent.

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    whats stopping them (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:37:21 PM EST
    they have to carve up Hillary first.
    and boy, are you correct about the possible rude awakening.

    McCain looks like a Potato Bug (none / 0) (#12)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:56:48 PM EST
    *******************
    My friends, I thought you'd never ask. This guy is such an easy target. Putting superficial things first, he looks GHASTLY. He looks like this POTATO BUG. That isn't a good thing. (I posted this last nite under another thread, but it's more on-topic here).
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    LOL (none / 0) (#69)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:11:54 PM EST
    part of the reach out progressives, I guess.  Looks do matter to progressives.  Mind if I save this post for later use?

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    Wile, on the subject of appearances... (none / 0) (#70)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:47:20 PM EST
    Are you implying that the right-wing gasbags have been complimentary on the subject of Senator Clinton's appearance?

    Do you recall that Rush Limbaugh even called Chelsea Clinton "a dog" when she was 13 years old.

    Getting back to McCain, he should take it as a compliment to be compared to the Potato Bug. The bug is shy and benign and keeps to itself - it just looks GHASTLY - which is the only quality it has in common with McCain.

    BTW, I have no interest in the whole "reach out" approach. If that was a winning strategy, the GOP would be using it don't ya think.

    Buh, bye.

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    that, um, other blog (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:45:05 PM EST
    is going after McCain.  with a little collateral damage, of course.

    come headlines:

    She can't win: Washington Post  

    Why are Hillary and John McCain refusing to release their tax returns?  

    McCain is the nominee, time to wring Iraq around his neck. Oh, that's right, Hillary can't.  

    Darkening Obama's skin tone. (none / 0) (#28)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:38:17 PM EST
    ******************
    Replying to this topic downstream, about the media making candidates look bad via Photo-Shop.

    In looking at the pics of Hillary on sites like HuffPo, she usually looks about 10 years older, heavier, and dour - to say the least. Than there are the marvels of Photo-Shop pics, like the ones where Bill is looking out from between her shoes.

    It was inevitable, that we would start seeing pics of Obama with his skin tone darkened.

    Did anybody not foresee this? The Obama camp made a decision that he wouldn't run as the black candidate, and that has served him very well. The Machiavellian thing to do about that is to make him look blacker.

    That is the GOP playbook - and the GOP surrogates are doing it now, so that Clinton can be dealt the race card once again. After all, that was the single thing that's most damaged her in this primary contest.

    The GOP wants to see anti-Clinton backlash on this one, because the GOP still wants OBAMA TO BE THE DEM NOMINEE.

    Obama would be such an easy target for McCain. The script writes itself: 'While Obama was doing "blow" (his word) on Maui (or wherever), McCain was in a Viet Cong POW camp (accuracy of the dates be damned)'.

    McCain can say that because, the fact that McCain has an adopted black child, gives him immunity against any accusation of racism.

    It's really hard to see Barack taking McCain to school on the subject of Iraq or anything else.

    It's all so very, very elementary.
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    The ... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Camorrista on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:03:51 PM EST
    ...The Obama camp made a decision that he wouldn't run as the black candidate, and that has served him very well...

    If this is true, his supporters haven't been told.  What's been clear (at least since South Carolina) is that whatever the campaign's (official) policy its practice has been to discreetly encourage its followers to invoke racism whenever it seemed opportune.

    Unahppily, a tactic like that eventually catches up with the tactician, and now the Obama camp is in the awkward position of watching its supporters--in the blog universe especially--cry racism at anything and everything.  Racism caused the loss in Ohio; racism determined the Obama imitator on SNL; racism led Clinton to photo-shop an Obama image; racism is behind the press's sudden new aggressiveness.

    More damagingly, the tactic has accomplished the opposite of its intention:  instead of stigmatizing critics of Obama as racist, in the real world--as opposed to the blog world--it has started to harden Obama's identity as the black candidate.

    To give you an idea of how far this has penetrated, Saul Friedman did a pretty mild piece, at Nieman Watchdog, asking why every major (and most minor) black columnists were supporting Obama.  

    The comment reaction was fierce, with not a single poster even considering what Friedman had written.  Nothing but--Friedman is lazy, Friedman is stupid, Friedman is old, Friedman is racist.

    For a long time now, when we Democrats are accused of racism, we tend either to sputter indignantly, or grow silent.  We then over-compensate.

    Republicans aren't so fearful.  Some of them are overt racists; others are closet racists.  And if the Obama camp and its supporters believe the GOP will be intimidated by accusations of "racism! racism!" they are about to learn that the party of Lee Atwater, the part of the Southern Strategy, the party of George (Macaca) Allen, will treat Obama the same way it has treated every black politican who isn't a domesticated and obedient Republican.  

    And if you believe that strategy is not effective, check with Harold Ford.

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    i've been saying that for (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by cpinva on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:09:20 PM EST
    some time: should sen. obama be the dem. nominee, he will be sliced and diced by the media, as both gore and kerry were. he doesn't have the cojones' to handle that, and the combination republican/right-wingnut smear machines.

    anyone who truly thinks the media will continue playing nice sen. obama needs a shrink, or committment.

    mccain, as steven colbert noted, has hundreds of years of experience, most of it spent either screwing over his constituents/ex-wife, or nestling in the crotch of big corporations.

    there are so many goodies there, you just don't know where to start!

    What's Stopping Them? (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by kenoshaMarge on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:25:58 PM EST
    Let me guess:

    Need to run with the herd?

    Can't stand to go after McCain until Hillary is dead, dead, dead. And she just won't stay dead, after they proclaim her dead. (Seems to me a few months ago all the "experts" were proclaiming McCain dead too.)

    Afraid the "Kool Kids" won't let them play if they ain't a bashin Hillary?

    Or maybe they just don't know how to do it very well without someone to lead the way?

    particularly since they have been (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:39:12 PM EST
     "immunized" by being made fun of for being to soft on him.
    FP post on DK about whether (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:39:28 PM EST
    the media will be as hard on McCain as it has on HRC.  

    Actually Markos himself.... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:44:02 PM EST
    ...has now frontpaged and legitimized the Hillary camp made Obama blacker meme. Guess they thought they didn't need it a couple of days ago, but it is now the outrage dujour.

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    Is he saying that the ad on top (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Teresa on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:51:07 PM EST
    is the same one as the lower one from the Clinton website? It is clearly not. His facial expression is different, his mouth is different and his skin is darker. The one on top is not the same.

    Is someone trying to scare up false charges again by creating something that isn't real?

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    it does appear Kos is correct (none / 0) (#25)
    by Josey on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:34:52 PM EST
    The pic on Hillary's site is darker than the original pic.
    No?
    But I disagree with Kos that Obama's nose was made wider.


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    whatever (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:37:02 PM EST
    there was clearly an attempt to photoshop Kos's ego to make it look larger.


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    So now I'm thinking that.... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:11:01 PM EST
    ....Kos frontpaging this after letting it rage on in seemingly silent embarrassment yesterday is part of an orchestrated campaign to make it virtually impossible for any African American delegates to remain committed to Hillary Clinton. Of course I don't have any proof, but apparently none is required these days. What a disgusting mess.

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    The whole image is a bit darker, (none / 0) (#48)
    by spit on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:09:09 PM EST
    certainly bluer, and with sharper contrast.

    There's nothing in any of that to imply racist intent. Nothing.

    Color is very often adjusted in images for various effects or just to provide consistency to an overall ad, and frankly the color on the original looks terrible anyway IMO.

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    Teresa, I put a reply upstream - any thoughts? (none / 0) (#30)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:43:12 PM EST


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    Well, I need a shower now but I read the (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Teresa on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:47:35 PM EST
    comments on that post. There were a lot of links from Obama's own website that show him darker in some and lighter in some. It pains me to see Kos front page this and I really wonder about his maturity sometimes.

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    Teresa, what do you think about (none / 0) (#45)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:05:16 PM EST
    the idea that the GOP, and/or, Obama's surrogates are strategically dealing Clinton the race card once again.

    Coming into the primary, Hillary's greatest asset was her support within the African-American community.

    Obama's campaign manager, David Axelrod, models himself after Karl Rove aka the 'Second Coming of Machiavelli'.  The Machiavellian rule is to attack an opponents greatest strength (rather than their weakness). Hence, Clinton was dealt the race card and that's when she started to lose momentum in a big way among people of color, and white liberals.  

    I think Clinton's opponents are dealing from that deck again to further maximize the damage.

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    i agree with this wholeheartedly: (none / 0) (#72)
    by kangeroo on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:26:13 PM EST
    Obama's campaign manager, David Axelrod, models himself after Karl Rove aka the 'Second Coming of Machiavelli'.

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    after this primary (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:52:02 PM EST
    the rest of us need to come up with something like
    "the Tool" awards.
    something like and engraved monkey wrench they can toss into things.


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    Hillary camp made Obama blacker (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:06:19 PM EST
    I tells ya the woman is a witch.
    a regular alchemist.


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    As in the pushing back (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:13:57 PM EST
    by Obama forces against the "Obama is a Muslim" falsehood, can't Obama just say I'm black and proud of it?

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    When I saw that diary ... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:18:21 PM EST
    yesterday, I knew Hillary would win.

    Obama supporters, and I think the campaign as well, can easily get lost in their own fantastical view of the world.

    And they forget that the rest of the world has to buy into about ten layers of fantasy before they'll accept the latest accusation.

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    the truth is (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:35:35 PM EST
    neither of them can now win enough elected delegates to win the nomination.
    NEITHER of them.


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    btw (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:02:18 PM EST
    to answer your question.
    she does it by winning Penn.
    and then redoing FL and MI. both of which she will win.
    that would mean that Obama has not won a single large state except his home state of Il.
    not one.
    how do yo make the case for electability based on that record?


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    ok (none / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:00:20 PM EST
    how does HE win?

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    Um, where were you last night (none / 0) (#38)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:55:18 PM EST
    Did you not notice Hillary opened up a can of whoop-ass on Obama. I think the poster is referring to the primaries yesterday. As for the long run, let's see what the popular vote looks like after all is said and done (including FL and MI do overs). After that, if it's close, the supers get to do what they do best, screw everything up. No, just kidding. No I'm not. Yes I am. Hee hee. Anyway, it's too close to call as they say...

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    Dandy (none / 0) (#53)
    by auntmo on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:12:51 PM EST
    I  eagerly  await  the  press  conference  covered   by  Tweety  and  KO    wherein   Teddy Kennedy  and   John  Kerry  announce  their  support  for  their  own  state's  voters    and  publicly   endorse  Hillary  Rodham  Clinton.  

    Tee-hee.   Snicker.  :)

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    Kos is crazy (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:51:44 PM EST
    Funny thing. Not a peep on this from Obama camp.

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    Of course not but.... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:56:34 PM EST
    ...I'm sure they are hoping that MSM picks up on it.

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    Unbelievable. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:57:04 PM EST


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    Kos is crazy (none / 0) (#49)
    by auntmo on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:10:04 PM EST
    Yep.  

    He   needed  to change  the  subject  for his readers   from   his  poor prediction  that  Obama  would  win   last  night  by   12 points   to   something  else.   Anything  else.  

    And  good  ole  racist  red  meat  blamed on Clinton   should  do  the  trick  for his  posters.

    Yuk,  Kos.    

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    Aravosis is a wanker like Kos (none / 0) (#57)
    by SarahinCA on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:14:37 PM EST
    He is flipping out in the comments, too.  Apparently there is a racist "thing every week" pulled by Clinton...

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    Don't they realize that this is hurting Obama? (none / 0) (#59)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:22:05 PM EST
    Way to put the idea in people's heads that if Obama is president the PC police are coming out in full force. His campaign is supposed to be about rising above that. But hey, let's keeping giving the Republicans twofers...tarnish Hillary and paint Obama as a victim. Rove must be laughing his ass off.

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    pfft (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:27:59 PM EST
    "Hillary ad also widens Obama's face, making his nose more stereotypically African-American - and then they got caught lying about it"

    um
    that happens when you resize a pic.  and I agree with the commenter below.  he looks a lot healthier in the broader one.
     

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    Will he come out (none / 0) (#64)
    by SarahinCA on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:41:00 PM EST
    and say he's offended at being made darker, the same way he was offended at being labeled a potential Muslim?

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    To me, Obama makes himself (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:59:50 PM EST
    figuratively darker when he speaks, for example, to a black congregation.

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    Rude awakening indeed (none / 0) (#4)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:41:54 PM EST
    And let's add all those Indies and Republicans who voted for you in the Primaries. Where did they go? Oh, back to their own party to vote for McCain? The race is close and no clear winner. Why should Hillary quit now because it would be easier for Obama to start fighting McCain now? And there would be no bad things to come out? Ha, just wait until the real race begins. Maybe Obama should have quit 6 months ago when it was thought that Hillary had it all sewn up and avoided the duel now. Right.

    but her winning was so (none / 0) (#7)
    by po on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:47:59 PM EST
    Inevitable then wasn't it . . . keep counting those chickens.  

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    What wonderful snark BTD (none / 0) (#15)
    by Korha on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:04:47 PM EST
    But Lux's depiction of what is happening is right on the money. As long as the primary battle continues, the energy of democrats will be directed at trying to take out each other and not at the Republicans. As a representative example, see this very blog. It's extremely counterproductive but also inevitable if both candidates are still viable.

    Clinton has already brought out the heavy guns against Obama. If Obama goes really negative on Clinton in return and the democratic base fractures, we will probably need a unity ticket to defeat McCain in the general election. Clinton/Obama is the only credible unity ticket. Of course my ideal scenario involves Obama winning PA and then Clinton being forced to drop out--however that is just not likely to happen if current trends continue.

    Your "representative example" (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Cream City on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:20:03 PM EST
    of this liberal blog or any liberal blog is just ridiculous. Bloggers and readers will "take out" the Repubs and will not vote for McCain. So we will take our time vetting which one of our candidates will be our nominee, thank you very much, and now you can go back to worrying about other media.

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    Except today on NPR's Day to Day (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:39:49 PM EST
    an "undecided" voter in Mississippi, last name Sanchez, male, sd. he will never vote for HRC and will vote for McCain if she wins the nomination.  

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    it's sad but i no longer listen to (none / 0) (#73)
    by kangeroo on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:31:55 PM EST
    NPR anymore.  i used to wake up to them every morning.  i'll go back when they start giving hillary a fair shake.

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    Remember what Howard Dean said? (none / 0) (#36)
    by zyx on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:51:41 PM EST
    He said something about settling this after March 4?

    What's he gonna doooo now???

    I wonder if he and some of the heavy hitters in the party are trying to "do something".  

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    that would be a sure way to screw everything up (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:58:14 PM EST
    if they try to be heavy handed and try to do something like Donna is suggesting. Here's their thinking: let's see, how can we get most women, most people over 40, most blue collar workers, and most latinos to not vote in november, oh yea, let's kick Hillary out of the race just when she's made a come back. That will do it...

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    Obama will not be the nominee (none / 0) (#19)
    by Foxx on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:15:50 PM EST
    He is going to continue to lose momentum and his poll numbers will keep dropping.

    He does not have the hispanic vote, which is in great danger of tending Repubican if he is the nominee.

    That said, I think both of them can start running against McCain and contrast themselves with each other that way.

    its interesting that the default (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:39:03 PM EST
    position of many people is that simply by winning the nomination Hillary will alienate a large block of voters.


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    Should we get back to BTD's topic of (none / 0) (#31)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:45:55 PM EST
    carving up McCain?

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    McCauley (none / 0) (#58)
    by auntmo on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:16:22 PM EST
    But    many of  the   Hillary   supporters   may not  vote  for  Barak  Obama  in  the  GE.  

    You  know,  because  we    didn't  see  any  TEARS  after  Katrina.    

    Snark

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    She's already caught up in the polls (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Foxx on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:49:24 PM EST
    She will catch up in the popular vote. If she surpasses him in both, where is Obama's argument?

    The problem is that either nomination will alienate a signfiicant block of voters. Which block is bigger and more significant is one question. How to reduce the damage is the more important question. A joint ticket is one suggestion, a position for Obama that will groom him for the presidency is another.

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    easy (none / 0) (#41)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:02:04 PM EST
    if the trend continues as it is now (she has the momentum, sorry to break it too you) and if they have a do over in FL and MI and she wins in both (FL big, MI pretty big) as the polls show, then she passes him up in popular vote. At least it's quite possible.

    Which of course means if you're an Obama supporter: for god's sake, please stop this race. oh my god, we've got to stop this race before it destroys the dem party. hee he

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    bottom line (none / 0) (#44)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:04:00 PM EST
    Keep the race going. Persuade both candidates to spend most time on McCain, have all the progressive bloggers spend most of their time on McCain, and we're all good to go. Ha, like any of that will happen.

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    I am definietly getting a subtle (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:08:36 PM EST
    stink of fear from Obama land.
    surprising how satisfying it is.

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    When you're in a knife fight ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:13:14 PM EST
    and your opponent pulls out a slide rule ... the odds shift to your side.

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    Good ... she can't catch up ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:06:05 PM EST
    so when is Obama going to stop campaigning?

    If he's already won, it seems silly for him to continue wasting time and money on this pointless race.

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    It's almost becoming self-evident (none / 0) (#56)
    by Paladin on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:14:32 PM EST
    that the solution is a joint candidacy.  Clinton even mentioned it today. I'm sure that the "higher ups" in the party might even be trying to negotiate something with the two campaigns as we speak (blog).

    Then they could start "carving" up McCain with abandon.

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    You first (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donna Darko on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:11:55 PM EST
    The media and Obamasphere should target McCain for once. Obama supporters can dish it out but they can't take it.

    You first (none / 0) (#52)
    by Donna Darko on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:12:40 PM EST
    The media and Obamasphere should target McCain for once. Obama and his supporters can dish it out but they can't take it.

    I am glad that happens to someone (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:13:49 PM EST
    besides me from time to time.
    ;-)

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    From the desk of BTD: (none / 0) (#62)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:38:41 PM EST
    Carving Up McCain: What's Stopping You? Are we more content to carve up our own?

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    The KOS headline (none / 0) (#60)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:23:10 PM EST
    Holy crap, it actually says: Clinton campaign making Obama "blacker". There isn't even a question mark at the end

    Isn't kos race-baiting in the basest most histrionic form? Isn't that libel or slander against Clinton? I know torture is legal, but...this?

    BTW, I think Obama actually looks better in the "blacker", "broader" image. The dude needs some meat on his bones.

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    meat on bones, carving up, careful (none / 0) (#65)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:41:27 PM EST
    we'll be accused of something nasty if those posts near each other are taken out of contact. I can see the kos headlines now, they're talking about fattening up Obama and carving him up and eating him over at talkleft.

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    context I meant... jeeez I can't type (none / 0) (#67)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:41:54 PM EST


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    DandyTiger following up on your train of thought (none / 0) (#68)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:59:12 PM EST
    From there it would be a small leap for kos to report that: "people at TL are now calling Obama a c*nnibal".

    That's the way it's been going.

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    I prefer to get my RUDE from you (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:41:32 PM EST
    because you "bring it" early when I can usually be preemptive with it in some fashion that can be good for me.

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