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More Background on Two Palin Controversies

Les Gara, a state representative from Anchorage, explains the background of the Troopergate investigation that the McCain campaign "is now trying to spin like an amusement-park tilt-a-whirl."

This summer, this started out as a Republican investigation. Former Republican legislator and gubernatorial candidate Andrew Halcro came out with a story that the press, then, reported on, that the governor had inappropriately fired -- or worked to try to fire a state trooper. ... And the first calls to move ahead with an investigation were from Republican Party members. ... Today’s spin by the McCain camp that this is somehow some sort of democratic effort is just nothing but -- but a falsehood.

In the same conference call, Borough Assembly member Michelle Church from Wasila (who was working as a community organizer when she first met Gov. Palin) discusses "Palin’s decision to accept state travel per diems for 312 days ... that she has actually spent at home." She says "Governor Palin got paid to sleep at home." Nice work if you can get it.

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    I still think (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kenosharick on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:03:04 PM EST
    much of the public will see this as a Dem/left wing/media plot to destroy her. The polls all seem to be going their way, at least for the moment. They will probably shift back and forth several times before Nov. BTW- I just flipped on FOX and they are "looking into" her Alaska issues. I wonder how this will come out.

    Halcro. (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:07:12 PM EST
    Yes, former Republican.  Yes, chronic sufferer of PDS.  

    Halcro ran against Palin and Democrat Terry Knowles in 2006 for Governor.  Halcro is not a reliable source.  He is not loved by either of the party structure, ran as an (I) and got whipped.

    This is not a Republican investigation, since Halcro went (I) to run against Palin and Knowles.  This is like saying Lieberman is the voice of Democrats.

    But more importantly:

    Troopergate is a freakin' non-issue.  Nothing here will impact the election.

    Ask Palin about the role of gov't healthcare with regard to securing American mfg jobs.

    Ask her about making CAFE standards higher and if she thinks that will contribute to "energy independence."  Why or why not?

    Hell, even ask her if she's such a maverick and outsider to not endorse Ted Stevens for AK-Sen if you want to do the politics and not the policy.

    The trooper thing will not gain traction, and Halcro is not some party Republican.

    Lansing.....is that the correct email address (none / 0) (#22)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:53:47 PM EST
    for you?

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    Oops! No! (none / 0) (#24)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:01:36 PM EST
    Now it is.  Feel free?

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    Don't spoil a good smear (none / 0) (#29)
    by myiq2xu on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:25:12 PM EST
    with facts.

    You'll harsh the mellow of the kool-aid buzz

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    Halcro is not the investigator (none / 0) (#47)
    by KVFinn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:22:53 PM EST
    Halcro published an article which got some press, then an investigation was started.  Halcro doesn't have any role in the investigation, he's not doing it or being subpoenaed or anything.  So there's not much point in mentioning his name together with the investigation, it just clouds the issue.  

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    Yes. (none / 0) (#69)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:17:52 PM EST
    Lyda Green is.

    Halcro started the rumor that Monegan was fired over Wooten.  People like Lyda Green (Sarah Palin's Republican BFF, to be sure!1!) then decided to work to "investigate" the matter.

    "This dismissal was really because Monegan wouldn't fire Wooten who is your ex brother in law!  HA!"

    The investigation has been going for months.  Nothing new has surfaced.  

    It's the equivalent of that DKos diarist putting up photos showing "Sarah Palin wasn't pregnant!  Now, DISCUSS, everyone!"

    That is the extent of someone like Halcro's credibility.  Just because he could find people like Lyda Green to make a stack out of so much hay doesn't mean anything.  "Monegan was fired.  One of his State Troopers was Palin's brother-in-law.  Ergo, Palin fired Monegan out of REVENGE! for not firing Wooten!"

    It's classic, base smearing.  Halcro has zero credibility.  None.  Zilch.  This is why the Republican Party forced him out.  Just because he could find "Let's get Sarah!" people like Green on his side means little.

    Counter: "Sarah Palin took on people in her own party.  Even women.  Example: Lyda Green."

    This Trooper story will go nowhere.


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    Actually, (none / 0) (#91)
    by daring grace on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26:52 PM EST
    the investigation into potential misconduct on Governor Palin's part in firing Commissioner Monegan has only been going on for about six and a half weeks (since July 28).

    Troopergate Probe

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    Also, look at that per diem thing again (none / 0) (#59)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:40:58 PM EST
    I saw on Snopes a letter from a guy in Alaska who runs a lodge describing the following:
    One of our State's major problems is that its Capital is in Juneau, 500 miles from the nearest road and 800 air miles from the population base which is Anchorage, Wasilla and Fairbanks.

      Our legislature and most of the State government is in Juneau and they ALL behave like a bunch of freshmen in a college town.  It has been this way since Statehood in 1959.  When Sarah moved to Juneau, so did accountability and responsibility  When the oil revenue started flown and a barrel of North Slope Crude hit $23.00, these people began spending money like drunken sailors.  You can only imagine what was happenings when oil hit $100.00 a barrel, about the time Sarah took command.  My wife Kathy has first-hand experience with this fiasco, as her father and also her ex-husband were Alaska Legislators who served in Juneau as Senators, Senate President, or members of the State House for a combined period spanning nearly three decades.

      The note goes on to say what she accomplished, but while his letter is on Snopes.com also, as a confirmed letter with a perspective different from Kilkenny's, the point here is that Juneau is described as extremely remote from the nearest road.  Never having gone there, I looked it up.

    In addition to being the capital of Alaska, Juneau is land-locked. Even though there are no road connections to major highway systems, traveling in and out of Juneau is easy via scheduled air service and the Alaska Marine Highway System.

      On a cable news program someone said, as a rebuttal to the perdiem and other expense she charged, that she was still a couple of hundred thousand dollars less in costs per year than the previous governor.  I don't know if that's true.


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    She got the money (none / 0) (#87)
    by TomStewart on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 12:52:42 AM EST
    because she declared the Gov's Mansion as her official residence. She could have easily have declared Wasilla her residence and have taken the money for the time she spent at the Gov's Mansion, but then, she wouldn't have got as much, and if she's a reformer, than why take the money for living at home at all.

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    Because as you must have read if you (none / 0) (#89)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 05:22:30 AM EST
    are actually interested rather than just talking-sides,
    she did not take a lot of money the children were
    eligible for and her expenses were ONE-FOURTH what the
    former governor's were.

      1/4th the cost.  You can keep complaining if you prefer.

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    Right (none / 0) (#94)
    by TomStewart on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 02:40:57 AM EST
    and she deserved this money for hanging out at home why?

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    Of course... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:08:09 PM EST
    ... a per deim is actually meal money, not lodging money. I know Palin taking that money is legal - I'm curious, though, whether it's a common practice for Governors.

    Previous Gov (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:18:27 PM EST
    had about 400,000 iirc and her 60, 000. It could also be travel money along with meals. I've always been reimbursed for car fare to airport etc. If she drives herself vs having a driver (which she turned down), she may write off fuel pertaining to official business. Surely cheaper than I driver I would think.

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    There are just an awful lot... (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:23:50 PM EST
    ... of things to snipe about at the state level, and trying to make all of them national issues can backfire (see the Clintons). I wouldn't attack Palin other than in broad strokes about how she would govern - she's the understudy, and it's best to focus on McCain.

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    Per diem (none / 0) (#13)
    by LasVegasRocks on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:28:47 PM EST
    Per diem literally mean "per day" and is for food and lodging.

    So, she was paid by the State of Alaska to both eat and sleep at home.  This is even better.

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    Extra travel $$ etc has always (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:37:56 PM EST
    been included on my jobs. And yes, if I eat breakfast before I hop on a plane, I can write that breakfast off. Again, she does not have the normal state supplied driver, so I would imagine it wouldn't be out of line to include some fuel costs etc when she's in Anchorage. Seeing as the last Gov there had about 4X's as much in "per diem", methinks it's a really stupid thing to do the outrage dance about.


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    The Bar May Be Set Higher for Governor Palin (none / 0) (#92)
    by daring grace on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 12:50:02 PM EST
    than it was for Frank Murkowski, the former governor who she demolished in the Republican primary and whose administration was embroiled in corruption and ineptitude scandals.

    She ran then as she is running now as a reformer and  a change agent and being seen as not taking nearly so much of unreasonable perks might not be quite good enough.

    I'd say it depends on the way the state of Alaska itself--the government--does its SOPs for per diems. If this is the way its done there because of the unusual population densitiys and travel distance issues then she has a case. If not, it may just be seen as a case of the same old politics that 'everyone' engages in ---taking what you can get. But that might be too low a standard for someone running on the image and message that Sarah Palin is running on.

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    No... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Strick on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:42:06 PM EST
    Per diem is for food and incidentals.  Lodging is a different category and hits your expense report separately.

    Take it from a pro who worked for an accounting/tax firm most of his career and has 2.5 million air miles.

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    No (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by JAB on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:43:40 PM EST
    she did not charge for lodging.  She got the $60 allowed for her for food and other sundry expenses.

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    If $60.00 a day will cover... (none / 0) (#33)
    by EL seattle on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:36:11 PM EST
    ...both food and lodging in Alaska, I know where I'm gonna go on my next vacation!

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    My Governor (none / 0) (#39)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:52:02 PM EST
    in NY, Patterson, is on record saying he would not take such money.

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    OUR Governor (none / 0) (#42)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:06:33 PM EST
    doesn't have enough money in our treasury to take a cab.

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    As Someone Who Lives Very Near Albany (none / 0) (#93)
    by daring grace on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 12:53:36 PM EST
    I don't believe that dwindling state funds ever got a NY state pol to take fewer lulus.

    I like Paterson, but he is a New York state pol, after all, so this declaration on his part is great.

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    I'm confused (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by JAB on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:08:23 PM EST
    If you you at the "evidence" presented by The Washington Post here, it shows that she put in for the $60 /day that is available for state employees when traveling on official state business to cover meals and other sundry expenses. She did not put in for lodging. The governor's duty station and official residence is in Juneau, so she was able to claim the $60 / day when she traveled to Wasilla and was working out of her Anchorage office (and was doing business in her official role, according to the graph).

    According to The New York Times article on the subject, she charged $17,059 from December 2006 - June 2008 (I think that's where they get the 312 days). Doing simple math, that comes out to an average of $54 / day - under the allowed $60 / day per diem. Apparently, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so.

    This does seem to be a strange situation, but again, according to the NYT, Gov. Patterson would technically be allowed to do this as well should he choose to do so, so it's not completely out of the question, although unusual.

    This should be looked into further if there is really something there, but it does not appear that anything illegal was undertaken.

    I await the WaPo and NYT articles on the careful scrutiny of the finances of Obama and Biden.

    Is This Really Going To Help? (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Strick on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:09:08 PM EST
    I'm sorry, there's no way anyone's going to make that state trooper sympathetic.  I can't believe this blog would be on his side if it were any other member of law enforcement, not with what it's clear he did.  You don't tase 10 year olds or threaten to shoot your father-in-law.

    The per deim thing is even less useful.  I travel on per diem 4-5 days per week, year end year out.  How in the world can anyone make a case it's wrong to take per deims that her employer and the law allow?  It's absurd.  Even if she's "at home", particularly since as Governor, she's officially relocated to the state capital and as a result, being at her "home", an 18 hour drive from Juneau, is now officially travel.

    I know you have hopes for this stuff, but how in the world can it resonate with ordinary people?  These issues just make the people hyping them look partisan or worse.

    Not true. (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by TChris on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:22:44 PM EST
    It is untrue that TalkLeft is "one the side" of the trooper, who may well have deserved to be fired.  The question is whether Gov. Palin acted inappropriately to assure that result, given her conflict of interest. That question is worth asking about an official who is running for the second highest position in the federal executive branch.

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    Yes, TChris. (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:29:51 PM EST
    And that's a fair question.

    But quoting Halcro -- or promulgating the myth that the "Republicans" started this investigation -- does not help.  Yes, Halcro was a Republican.  And he basically got demoted and kicked out of the Republican party because of it.

    He ran as an "Independent" and lost there, too.  So he took to his blog and decided to take on the Republican Governor, Sarah Palin.

    Halcro reads as an incredibly bitter person who is incredulous that people did not listen to him or like what he had to say.  It says a lot about Andrew Halcro.

    Framing him as "Republican" or a Republican who "blew the whistle on Palin" is ridiculous.  Like I said, he is to the Republican Party in Alaska as Joe Lieberman is to the National Democratic Party.

    You can keep asking the question.  I don't think it will go anywhere at all.  And if you're going to cite Andrew Halcro -- much less as a "Republican" -- to that end, it just reeeeeks of bias.

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    If (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by lentinel on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:36:10 PM EST
    the child in question, the 10 year old, had been yours - and you had been in a position to get the guy fired pronto - what would you have done?

    The trooper had received instruction in the use of tasering - and specific information about the danger it poses to children - yet he went ahead and did it anyway.

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    The problem with that, Chris (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Strick on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:55:36 PM EST
    Is it's just not enough to worry most people.  There's little or no evidence Palin went over the line in this case and even some eventually comes out, most folks will agree she was right, the bastard should have been fired.

    Add a hint of political vendetta to the mix and it's hard to imagine this leaving much of a mark.

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    I understand (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by TChris on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:39:37 PM EST
    that following/obeying the law is not something that most voters demand of elected officials.  Hence 8 years of the Bush administration.  I'd like to have elected officials who respect the law, for a change.

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    And I understand that some (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by tree on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:02:54 PM EST
    Democrats don't believe in the presumption of innocence and think that its now just fine to smear someone just because they aren't Democratic (or aren't the Democrat they are voting for) but I'd like to hold Democrats to higher standards than that.  

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    Stonewalling doesn't help fix the police. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by KVFinn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:32:09 PM EST
    Palin in July:
    "We would never prohibit, or be less than enthusiastic about any kind of investigation. Let's deal in the facts, and you do that via investigation"

    Palin now: Gov. Palin's private attorney is now calling the Legislature's investigation unconstitutional and unlawful.

    If there's nothing there, shine some light on it and be done with it.  The investigation can shed light on whether there's something wrong with the adjudication process and then we can fix it for everyone, not just this one trooper.  Stonewalling doesn't help fix the problem in the police force.


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    While I agree with you TChris (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:03:21 PM EST
    on The question is whether Gov. Palin acted inappropriately to assure that result, how long are we going to go on and on and on and on about this?  I don't think the general voting population cares that much about this issue now or yesterday or even the day before.  They know a lot of what happened now and Palin's brother-in-law......he just wasn't alright in the head.  It just seems like the leftyblogs and the Obama camp are digging a telephone post sized hole for a twig fence.  How desperate is that exactly?  How short on working neurons is that indicative of?  Could someone even consider all of this an indicator of wastefulness and self obsorption?

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    Well,so far we have the (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by tree on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:06:05 PM EST
    statement from the fired public safety commissioner, Monegan, who says that he was never asked to fire Wooten, even though he thinkshe was fired because he didn't fire Wooten. He's also said that the only conversations he had with Palin, her husband, or her aides, were in late 2006 and early 2007. He, Monegan, got fired in July 2008.

    It doesn't seem like much of a case proving "inappropriate" action on Palin's part so far. The charges against her ex-brother-in-law were mostly proven true according to the Alaska State Troopers, she never asked Monegan to fire Wooten, and she didn't fire Monegan until a year and a half after her last conversation with him about Wooten.

    But by all means keep flailing this and keep pointing out how the Obama campaign is still flailing this. A truly winning argument. <snark>


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    Didn't Wooten (none / 0) (#43)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:10:55 PM EST
    also threaten Sarah's young daughter with tasering when she wouldn't stop crying and begging him not to go through with it.

    Not sure if was Palin's daughter, but there was a young girl also threatened.

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    No! (1.00 / 1) (#63)
    by bison on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:47:17 PM EST
    The little boy showed his taser scare to Bristol as a badge of honor.  This is messy family stuff that has been blown up!

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    It was Bristol, Palin's older daughter (none / 0) (#65)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:50:44 PM EST
    according to Sarah, that is.

      In August 2005, when Palin was not Governor yet and also not a Mayor at the time, she wrote a typewritten letter of complaint as a family member.

      This details an event that includes the use of the taser on the boy and the alleged threatened tasering of Bristol also, who was being emotional about it all.


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    I had this discussion with someone (none / 0) (#81)
    by tree on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:13:38 PM EST
    on one of the multiple posts on this story.

    According to the trooper investigation, yes, it was Bristol who was there at the time of the tasing and she was scared.

    In his interview with troopers, the stepson said it hurt for about a second, according to Wall's report. The boy said he wanted to be tased to show his cousin, Palin's daughter Bristol, that he wasn't a mama's boy. The probe left a welt on his arm, he said. His mother was upstairs yelling at them not to do it, the boy said.

    As Bristol remembered it, the jolt knocked the boy backward, the trooper report says. She said she was afraid.



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    Witress tampering (none / 0) (#64)
    by bison on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:50:42 PM EST
    I also read that she used the district attorney's office to conduct an investigation before the legislative body could do their investigation.  She wanted to find out what was out there on her -in a court of law this is call witness tampering.

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    where'd you read it? (none / 0) (#80)
    by kredwyn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:13:26 PM EST
    Who was the source for the information?

    Is it credible? Or is it just more rumor mongering?

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    I won't vote for the GOP but frankly (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:07:56 PM EST
    the costs of living and doing business in two Alaska cities, one of which is not reachable by car unless it is on a ferry, doesn't strike me as unreasonable.  In California the Governor's mansion in downtown Sacramento was a fire trap and in a lousy neighborhood. None of the governors over the last 30 years would live there and had to make other arrangements to do so.  Ronald Reagan had private donors fund his elaborate diggs out of the city. There was a huge outcry about this by some people. Not a reasonable issue IMHO.

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    It's not the trooper's side, it's Monegan's. (2.00 / 0) (#50)
    by KVFinn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:38:06 PM EST
    Monegan started his job after the trooper's incidents.  At the point, it was illegal for him to go back and fire him for a transgressions that had already been adjudicated and closed.  Then Monegan was fired.  So he was fired for not doing something illegal.

    Now, there may well be problems with the adjudication process.  That's what the investigation will help determine!  But you can't fire Monegan for not breaking state law.  Now that Palin is stonewalling the investigation, we may never find the problems in the trooper adjudication process.  

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    An important factor is (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:04:36 PM EST
    that she hired him for the job, and the governor can terminate the person without reason.  

      They THINK (with reason but insufficient proof) that the firing was because she was unhappy about nothing being done about what she and others considered a dangerously irresponsible trooper who was her brother-in-law.  But Monegan himself said he didn't have a note from her requesting the firing itself.

    An investigator named Wall, not on the Palins' side, is said to have found that Wooten did threaten Palin's sister, Molly McCann, with shooting her father if the father hired a lawyer to represent Mollay.  Wooten denied making the statement, but Palin, McCann and Palin's son all confirmed that he did.  For what that's worth, of course.

      One report said that Wall said the act wasn't a crime because Palin's father was not present when Wooten made the statement.

      I haven't delved into the details of all of this that we know so far, but the broad story doesn't indicate a promising tack for the Dems and that includes the confirmed tasering, by Wooten, of his wife's son by a previous husband.

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    Here's a judge in the divorce on Palin: (none / 0) (#52)
    by KVFinn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:42:11 PM EST
    Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten's behavior and character. "Disparaging will not be tolerated--it is a form of child abuse" ... The judge added: "Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives."

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    There's an entire talkleft thread on this (none / 0) (#71)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:22:03 PM EST
    Old Stuff (none / 0) (#62)
    by bison on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:44:51 PM EST
    Some of this stuff happen before she became governor. He was disciplined.  The threats he made on  her father cannot be proven.

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    The threats made on his father-in-law (none / 0) (#70)
    by Strick on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    were made while Palin and her son were listening on the phone.  That makes three witnesses to the threat.

    He was disciplined; a 5 day suspension?  It is possible to believe that's inadequate for the multiple offenses the trooper was found to have committed (including the threat, btw).

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    Hmmm... (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by kredwyn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:10:28 PM EST
    An Obama staffer, a Democratic state representative, and an Independent who made a statement re: Palin's tax returns that the Obama has been handing out.

    Yup...no opportunity for spin there :-)

    Palin on his mind (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by MichaelGale on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:27:51 PM EST
    all day every day.

    What about health care? The economy? Gas prices?

    I think that this race is starting to ground. I think that most of the voters have made up their minds and I doubt you will see any big poll changes in the coming weeks. From what I am reading is that people are pretty happy in who they will vote for.

    Except my Democrats.  They are nervous willies over the new kid on the block. Nothing is really sticking to her either. Obama needs to give it up and give us something.

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    That's all Obama talks about. (none / 0) (#54)
    by KVFinn on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:45:03 PM EST
    Obama talks every single day on the stump and in town hall meetings on health care, the econonomy, about issues.  Every single interview he constantly brings it back to the issues.  And he doesn't get any press coverage for it, nobody blogs about it, nothing.  

    That's the thing about Palin -- her press presence is so powerful, even negative coverage of her still obliterates any Obama coverage.  McCain can't lose!  

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    So why does the Obama campaign (none / 0) (#82)
    by tree on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:18:05 PM EST
    bother to hold a campaign conference call about Troopergate if Obama is supposedly only discussing issues? His own campaign is ginning up the news coverage on this so its kind of silly to at the same time complain that everyone is only covering Palin when they are partly responsible for the continued coverage.

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    So what we have is an OBAMA (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by tree on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:25:35 PM EST
    CAMPAIGN CONFERENCE call about Troopergate with various Alaskan Dems and supporters of Obama insisting that the Obama campaign isn't behind the effort to promote Troopergate?  Kinda funny, in a perverse way.

    If you want a viewpoint from the other side, try this.

    "Obama Partisan Tampers with Palin Subpoena List"

    Investigator Steven Branchflower admitted he had ceded control of his subpoena list to Sen. Hollis French (D.) during Alaska's Joint Judiciary Committee September 12 hearing that was scheduled to approve subpoena requests.  French is a partisan who has endorsed Palin's Democratic presidential ticket rival Barack Obama for president and is actively supporting his candidacy.

    Senator French is the one who has already publicly called the case "damaging" even though the investigation is ongoing. Is publicly pre-judging a case now a Democratic value?

    More:

    Further fueling the GOP's fire is the fact that former Commissioner Monegan and state trooper Wooten are surprisingly mild-mannered about this "scandal" that's blown into a national news story after Palin's vice presidential appointment.

    Monegan told the Anchorage Daily News on August 30 that he was never pressured to dismiss Palin's former brother-in-law. "For the record," he said, "no one has ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff."

    Wooten, for his part, has reportedly turned down at least $30,000 from tabloids hungry for his side of the story. His union, however, the Public Safety Employees Association, filed a complaint with the Attorney General's office, to find out if Wooten's personnel file had ever been illegally disclosed.

    The same week PSEA filed their complaint, CNN reported that Obama campaign officials had been contacting Wooten's union, although Obama spokesmen have vehemently refuted CNN's report as well as one from the Wall Street Journal's John Fund that said more than 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researches had been deployed to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin.



    Didn't Wooten already give his (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:33:01 PM EST
    side of the story in an interview to CNN(?)?

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    Yes, Wooten did. (none / 0) (#72)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:25:11 PM EST
    In the same statement (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:42:21 PM EST
    French made regarding "damaging' he went on to say, "She [Palin] has a credibility problem."

    This is where we want to go?

    And every minute we spend on this crap is a minute not spent on Obama getting his message out.........whatever that is.

    Yes, Obama has concentrated on this, or (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:27:59 PM EST
    more likely, Axelrod, who is known to try to win campaigns by digging up things against the other side.  It's hard to side with a guy like him and I wish it weren't so.  It all stinks lately.  What an enormous waste of time and a waste of the opportunity to do away with BushTeam by dealing with the issues which are so incredibly plentiful.

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    On per diems. (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:28:38 PM EST
    Halcro aside (and I stand by Halcro being the linchpin that undermines this entire diary -- sorry, TChris), I'll go on the per diem expenses.

    WaPo titles the article Palin Billed State for Nights Spent At Home but even there acknowledges:

    She rarely sought food reimbursement when they were in Wasilla.

    Flights were most expensive, and by child, the youngest-oldest child went most-least expensive. (Makes sense!)

    They delined about $4,500 in per diems for their children's travel expenses, which they are legally allowed to clame.

    None of this states she billed the State to "stay at home."  Nada.  They're extrapolating on the airfare from Juneau (inaccessable by road or rail) to Wasilla, which is near Anchorage, Alaska's largest city.

    Let's talk Alaska.  It is not Iowa, it is not New Jersey, and it is not even California.  Much of Alaska's territory is in "The Bush" and only accessable by air travel.  The capital is only accessable by air travel (eh, or ferry).  Juneau is not Alaska's largest city, despite being the government seat.  Anchorage and Fairbanks are the largest, and are connected by road (along with Wasilla).

    To argue that the Governor flew herself and her family to Wasilla -- between Anchorage and Fairbanks -- is absolutely silly when you account for Alaska's geography and the population density.  

    You go to the Iditerod, you fly.  You don't drive, you don't walk, you don't take the non-existant Amtrak.  You have to fly.

    Besides:

    "Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski."

    Sarah Palin spent twenty percent of Frank Murkowski's air travel expenses.  That's an 80% reduction.

    This entire line is a non-starter.  Of course she's going to fly places.  Of course she's going to fly her family places.  And when she is not needed in the capital -- Juneau -- she will stay in her home in Wasilla, where she can drive on her own time and expense to Anchorage -- the largest city.

    This whole per diem thing is rubbish, and gives Republicans a reason to crow "Cut taxpayer-funded travel expenses by 80%!"

    Hogwash.

    Alaskan Politicians Corrupt (none / 0) (#60)
    by bison on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:41:44 PM EST
    The more I read about Alaska politicians, I have come to think that many of them are corrupt.  Palin was less corrupt than some others because she hadn't only held office for a short period of time

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    Welcome to the West. (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by EL seattle on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:03:23 PM EST
    I'd bet that there's a direct connection between a state's having an abundance of mineral deposits, and serious institutionalized corruption at the local and state levels.

    But that's just my own wacky opinion.

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    Alaska. (3.00 / 1) (#67)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:03:41 PM EST
    It's a welfare state.  It always has been, and always will be.  It's Alaska!  Infrastructure, transit, shipping, strategic military, research, resource extraction -- it all costs a lot of flippin' money.

    Will people take advantage of that status?  You bet your bottom dollar they will, just as they would in any other State.

    Did Sarah Palin take advantage of that?  No.
    There is nothing on her record that demonstrates as much.

    We will always essentially subsidize Alaska.  No Republican, Democrat, Independent, or Religious Messiah will ever ever make Alaska 100% self-sufficient or not a beneficiary of Federal dollars.

    It's the nature of Alaska.  And people acting all surprised that Alaska is an American exclave that is in the Arctic and requires more funds for the tough nature of infrastructure and the other things I listed (amongst others) is kidding themselves.

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    Stonewalling (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:01:35 PM EST
    I would suggest that if there is nothing to Troopergate, then why is Palin now stonewalling? Prior to being nominated VP, she promised full co-operation. Afterwards, she lawyered up, and so did her aides who also promised to co-operate. Why is Palin now claiming "executive privilege" on e-mails sent to Todd Palin? He's not a state employee.

    Palin clearly has a vendetta against Wooten, so much so that the Judge in her sister's divorce case admonished Sarah Palin as well as her family. While she may not have told Monegan specifically to fire Wooten, her surrogates pressured him to do so. And now there is the allegation that the Governor tried to interfere with Wooten's Workers Comp claim.

    Again, if this so much hooey and hogwash, Palin should be demanding a quick resolution to the matter.

    Behind that legislative investigation (none / 0) (#76)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:45:20 PM EST
    are two active Obama supporters, Senator French (managing the investigation), the investigator himself also, and she has enemies in the legislature when she went against the Republican party and as a result became Governor.

      You asked why and if you read this thread you'll see why.


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    And The Investigation (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 10:49:41 PM EST
    Was approved by both Republicans and Democrats. It only became a political football when Palin was nominated. And there was attempt last week to remove French, and it failed in a bi-partisan vote.

    I repeat, before nomination, Palin vowed full and unfettered co-operation.

    After nomination, stonewalling.

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    Read the part about the Republicans (none / 0) (#88)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 05:18:21 AM EST
    as she alienated many of them when she challenged the party and then got the job w/o their help.

    That was one answer to your question if you were really interested in any.

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    on "Per Diem" (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by JeriKoll on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 12:46:09 AM EST
    Per diem covers what the manual/rules that pertain to the person and their job says it covers.

    All this argument about what "your" per diem covers is totally irrelevant to Palin's per diem.

    Whistling in the wind. (1.00 / 3) (#28)
    by candideinnc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:23:52 PM EST
    This is laughable!  The ignoramus claims that she has insight into our relations with Russia because people can SEE it from Alaska.  I don't care about her illegitmate children and grandchildren, or the fact that she raises a child with a stultifying birth defect, or the fact that she may abuse her pulc office, or that she believes as mayor she should decide what might be banned from public libraries, or that she hires high school friends who think liking cows is a suitable reason to be given a position in the department of agriculture, or that she can shoot hoops, or that her son has to join the military to avoid going to jail on drug charges, or that she is a damned pit bull with lipstick.  

    SHE HAS NO QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE JOB OF VICE PRESIDENT!  The American people are damned idiots for not catching this little fact.  (I wish I could move my job to France and leave this pack of imbeciles.)

    In the future... (2.00 / 1) (#36)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:39:35 PM EST
    I would hope TalkLeft would put in a requirement that at least one substantiated fact accompany diatribes listing worn out, nonsensicle, untrue, debunked lies.

    Or do low information (and/or troll) posters get a pass?

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    I beg your pardon (2.00 / 4) (#40)
    by candideinnc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:56:16 PM EST
    Not one fact?  Who said she could see Russia, and that gave her some credence for understanding US?Russian relations?  Who asked the Wasilla librarian on multiple occasions how to ban books?  Whose daughter is pregnant and unmarried?  Who will deny that Wasilla is known as the Oxycontin capital of Alska?  Deny reality if you will.  This is why Rethugs are being called liars nowadays.

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    The part Gibson left on the cutting room floor (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:36:51 PM EST
    From the full transcript of the unedited interview

    PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

    GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

    PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies...

    Again, left on the cutting room floor are several statements by her that she is against a renewed cold war, much less an actual war.

      Of course HuffPo led with a headline saying that Palin would invade Russia {sigh} as a result of that interview.

      Given Gibson's scenario of Georgia actually being accepted into NATO (which I would think highly improbable at this point due to Saakashvili wilfully bombarding two areas he wanted not to be independent of him any longer, people who were Russian citizens of a city with a Russian police force), we would have to along with the other member countries in 'helping' them in a conflict with Russia to whatever extent and she said only, "Perhaps so," in connection with the NATO Agreement.  

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    here's a couple (2.00 / 1) (#53)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:42:34 PM EST
    Lie  # 1.  "The ignoramus"............College educated, elected Mayor, elected Governor, chosen for Vice President.......achieved 85% approval rating.............Ignoramus?
    Lie  # 2.  "claims that she has insight into our relations with Russia because people can SEE it from Alaska".........................As background, and to fill visitors in on Alaska's geography and proximity to Russia (and Canada too, by the way) she points out that from some remote parts of Alaska, probably an island, you can actually see a part of Russia. ...................Unless you can document that she said she has credence because one can see Russia from parts of Alaska, the Lie stands.

    I don't intend to debunk every specious claim made by you, or anybody else, that's been done ad nauseum, it's just every point you spit out is such old news that it's wasting band width and taking attention away from real issues.


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    Agreed. "Next Door Neighbor" is Dumb. (none / 0) (#38)
    by lansing quaker on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:40:32 PM EST
    I'll grant you.  It's reaching and lame.  Palin has no FP experience.  None.  Nada.  Zilch.

    But, by the same token, most VP candidates don't.  They don't.  Did Quayle?  Ferraro?  Gore (as VP)?  Edwards (as VP)?  Anything more than essential basic stuff like with State trade, maybe some Senatorial posturing ("My committee!"), and the like?

    Palin will not be elected or rejected based on foreign policy.

    Attack her domestic policies.  She was selected on domestic issues like energy.

    Everyone and their mother knows that Palin is not a FP expert.  Even Republicans.  But of course the Republicans will posture and bloviate.  There's nothing in the portion of Russia that's near Alaska that is at all noteworthy.  The Kamchatkan peninsula, even, is basically empty.  Everyone knows this.

    Highlighting Palin's FP deficiencies open a line for Republicans to say "Well, let's talk about Obama!  He said he grew up in Indonesia, and this is an important perspective!  HAH!"  And, thusly, it keeps the debate about Obama-Palin, while McCain gets a free pass and goes unchallenged.

    Again:
    Domestic policy.  What she intends to do there.  Her thoughts on that.  Americans care about domestic issues, domestic issues, domestic issues.  Palin is a domestic candidate ("Drill here, drill now!") and not a foreign policy one.  

    No one in Middle America looks to Palin to broker deals on Israel and Palestine, or Russia and Georgia.  

    It's just a bad line of attack.

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    This theory is borne out (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:40:19 PM EST
    by today's polls which show Obama dropping severely in the number of people who feel he has sufficient experience in foreign policy matters.  

      BTD warned that hammering Palin on this as a VP would boomerang and highlight a too-light experience in this area on the part of someone who would BE the heartbeat.  So, that's now hurting.  It's not just we who are giving the campaign (in our minds) advice to zone in on the danger of McCain -- and McCain gives him a LOT of material to use if he would just do it, and I don't mean saying McCain can't use the Internet and is old !

      You know?  It's beginning to act like a high school campaign.

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    Dan Quayle had a lot of (none / 0) (#84)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:53:55 PM EST
    experience.  He had been in the House of Representatives and then the Senate for 8 years.

    Quayle had much more experience than Palin--

    Gore had been in the Senate for years and in the House before that.

    Ferraro was a three term member of the House, which gives her 6 more years national experience than Palin....

    Edwards had been in the Senate for 6 years..

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    That (none / 0) (#44)
    by sas on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:17:22 PM EST
    is your opinion.

    Now what is it again that makes you think Obama - in office for all of 100 weeks (and not even the same office) is qualified to be president?????

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    Obama has been in public (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:56:01 PM EST
    office for close to 12 years....almost 4 years in the Senate.....simple math escapes people as they want to downgrade some of his years of service as not counting....

    Would that so-called Democrats stop denigrating our nominee....

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    his education alone does (2.66 / 3) (#49)
    by candideinnc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:32:53 PM EST
    He was a Harvard grad at the top of his class.  This was not an undergraduate education, but higher education.  He was the editor of the law review, which speaks volumes about his understanding of the law.  McCain graduated as an undergrad in the bottom one percent of his class.  He then went on to demonstrate his unfitness for his job by crashing numerous planes and being captured by the enemy.  Palin was to attend, as I recall, five schools over six years to get an undergraduate degree in journalism.  In the process of this, she never was on a school newspaper or television station.  This doesn't even begin to address the lack of intellectual curiosity exhibited by these two.  I do prize intellectualism.  I think we have seen in the past eight years what happens when anti-intellectuals are elected to high office.

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    I would add (none / 0) (#58)
    by candideinnc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:25:06 PM EST
    The University of Chicago deemed him a sufficient student of law to make him a faculty member from '92 to 2004.  He has been examined and found worthy by his peers.

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    You (none / 0) (#61)
    by sas on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:42:51 PM EST
    have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that hi intellectualism makes him qualified.

    On the other hand I have no evidence to suggest that it does not.  

    It is purely a matter of opinion.

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    I like France (none / 0) (#34)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:38:24 PM EST
    The France bashing is shorthand for the anti-intellectualism that gave us Bush....

    4 years on the foreign relations committee (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:39:20 PM EST


    How many meetings did he attend in his (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:18:07 PM EST
    143 working days before announcing his run? Why did he need to take a Euro Tour?

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    Working hard for McCain again? (2.33 / 3) (#83)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:48:58 PM EST
    nonsense (none / 0) (#57)
    by candideinnc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:07:12 PM EST
    I did not like Obama as a candidate.  I preferred Dodd, then Clinton, and had to settle on Obama.  But I am now left with a choice between him and a pack of Bush wannabees.  For me, the choice is obvious.

    As far as Obama and Harvard, you obviously have no experience with these types of posts.  No one gets to that position at Harvard law of editor of the law review without great support of his classmates and professors.  No one.  Further, he was self-made, not the son or grandson of an admiral who bought him admission.

    Now, would you care to comment on the glorious accomplishments of the great scholars McCain and Palin?  I didn't think so.


    Aim at the head (none / 0) (#90)
    by Oceandweller on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 05:54:10 AM EST
    who is the first name on the ticket, John McCain so stick with the lead guy and aim at him. We all know Palin while she is an heavy right winger is a lightweight when it comes to be a sound and able president. So stop spending time priving her neurons are not doing the work, we know it. Now go back at Mc Cain .
    Being a soldier however heroic does not mean said hero is fit to be a president if he chooses the looks over the brains for his Veep choice. We know and we need to reinforce hos lobbysit ties and his past as a senator, women need to know he is anti equal pay equal rights etc etc.
    Mc cain is a very rightist economist and that needs to be said. Enough time lost defrostaing the ALaska bake , lets go back to basics i.e. lets go at McCAIN.