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Friday Night Open Thread

It's the weekend but I'm still working. Here's an open thread for those not similarly constrained. All topics welcome.

Re: Keith Olbermann's suspension. Like BTD, I'm not a fan or a viewer. But I agree the explanation of his suspension rings hollow and something else is going on.

I've always viewed Olbermann as a talk show host not a news journalist. More here.

Olbermann has never been in the same position as Brian Williams, David Gregory or Tom Brokaw. No one looks to him to report the news, but to comment on it. On MSNBC's election night coverage this week, when I tuned in, he and Matthews were commentators to host David Gregory. As a commentator, I don't see why he can't make political contributions. It's not like his leanings aren't already known.

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    Our continued slide into totalitarianism ... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by FreakyBeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 07:39:48 PM EST
    ... um, continues:

    The GOP plans to hold high profile hearings examining the alleged "scientific fraud" behind global warming, a sleeper issue in this election that motivated the base quite a bit.

    Got that?  Empirical investigation of the facts - the search for truth, if you will allow something so quaint - is a fraud.  Besides, it's for eggheads and elitists, a conspiracy against Real People.

    Krugman also references (although minus the, ah, paranoia).

    I wish Ambinder had included a link (none / 0) (#26)
    by EL seattle on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 09:28:24 AM EST
    that had details about those plans.  His Atlantic piece is getting a reasonable amount of play, but so far the various folks who are linking to his item aren't adding any specific details to the story that I see.

    But I'm sure that something will happen here, and it probably won't be pretty.  

    For a lot of the GOP, announcements like UN Climate Panel Calls for Carbon and Transport Taxes will be sure to send their anti-fraud Spidey-sense a-tingling just like Chris Mathews's leg on his giddiest day.

    This might not be about the GOP versus Science so much as it's the GOP versus the UN.  With Science caught in the crossfire of an old war.  

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    The Olbermann thing is really upsetting (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by magster on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:00:52 PM EST
    not because I like him ( I haven't watched him for 2 years after one too many special comments ), but because he's a liberal who is silenced when others like Scarborough have given more time and money to Republicans without consequence.

    Has the sale of MSNBC to Comcast been approved yet?

    Scarborough made his contributions (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:31:16 PM EST
    in 2006, before he became host of his MSNBC show, if I recall correctly, and certainly before MSNBC had worked out a clear idea of what role they were going to play as a media outlet.

    Also, Olbermann had been chastised before by MSNBC about his behavior in co-anchoring of election night coverage in 2008.

    Olbermann's whole schtick is to teeter on the edge.  He went over it, clearly violated NBC rules and contract (whether the contract is reasonable or not, he signed it), and he's been disciplined for it. I utterly fail to see the reason for the outrage.

    If there's some hidden agenda here, it's most likely simply because he's by all reports gotten wayyyy too big for his britches and needed to be forcefully reminded that he doesn't personally run the network.  His ratings have slipped quite a lot, and Maddow is now outpulling him for audience, apparently, and O'Donnell's not far behind, so there's no need for MSNBC to put up with his megalomania when he goes over the line.

    Media observer types seem to think he's almost certain to walk again, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

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    Well, (none / 0) (#22)
    by TomStewart on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 12:09:41 AM EST
    It's coming out now that Joe's appeared at fundraisers this year for republicans, and is credited with a 10,000 dollar contribution to a republican in Alabama this last April.

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    Before Morning Joe (none / 0) (#38)
    by DFLer on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 05:57:42 PM EST
    Scarborough hosted "Scarborough Country" on MSNBC,
    debuting in 2003, and was definitely on the air as host in 2006, the year of the contribution.

    Whether NBC had made the rules clear in 2006, I couldn''t say.


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    Why didn't he (none / 0) (#39)
    by BrassTacks on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:44:46 PM EST
    Give the money to someone else to give to the candidates?  He had to know that his contract forbid his direct contributions.  Why did he risk his job?  Put the money in his kid's name, or friend's name and let them contribute for him.  Was he looking to get out of his contract?  He's not a stupid man, so there must be something that we don't know.  

    I have to agree that everyone already knew he was a liberal who supported democrat candidates.  He's rather outspoken about it.  So why does it matter if he gave money to democrats?  

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    Agree with Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by brodie on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:10:25 PM EST
    Keith's liberal leanings are hardly a secret and he's easily in a hybrid category of host-commentator.  His political views are on display every night (or M-F, since all the Msnbc biggies leave for the weekend), and they're there in just about every substantive news report or interview segment, quite apart from the shows where he has his patented Special Comment.

    This just seems like an unusually harsh overreaction by Griffin.  Apparently what might be behind it is Keith's recent rather cryptic and unwise comment that "Phil Griffin thinks he's my boss."  Looks like Phil is trying to show Keith (and Ed and other Msnbc hosts) that, yes indeed, he is their boss.

    Though Griffin might also have been anticipating Comcast taking over and wanted to protect his position with the company by showing he could be tough on Msnbc's longtime GOP nemesis.

    Compare and Contrast 1981 and 2011 (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Dan the Man on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:34:18 PM EST
    1981:  Republicans have a 53-47 control of the Senate and control of the Presidency but Democrats control the House.
    Conclusion: Republicans control the government.

    2011:  Democrats have a 53-47 control of the Senate and control of the Presidency but Republicans control the House.
    Conclusion: Republicans control the government.

    Jeralyn, Lori Berenson ordered freed (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:45:30 PM EST
    again. Once again a Peruvian judge has ordered that Berenson be let out of prison. And, once again, the prosecutor will probably appeal.

    Here is the story.

    Gotta love this (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 09:06:53 AM EST
    Conservative group pressuring Boehner to prove that Republicans are serious about cutting deficit.

    Soon-to-be Speaker John Boehner (Ohio) is being pressed by taxpayer groups to slash the salaries of House lawmakers.

    Cutting member pay would show voters the new GOP majority in the House is going to lead by example in their efforts to rein in spending and start with their own wallets, say officials with three prominent taxpayer advocacy groups in Washington, D.C.

    "There has to be a visible gesture that people can immediately relate to," said Pete Sepp, the executive vice president of the conservative National Taxpayers Union.

    "And cutting pay would be one of the best symbols, because unlike virtually anything else the federal government does, when Congress spends money on its own salaries and benefits, people can make a direct comparison to their own situation," Sepp said.
    {http://thehill.com/homenews/house/127879-boehner-pressed-to-cut-pay-of-lawmakers}

    Yep, prove that you are serious, John.

    Gotta (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 09:52:42 AM EST
    love the fact that they are already clawing each other's eyes out. They aren't serious about the deficit. If they were, they would've been screaming with W. was president.

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    Let's see if they are clawing at each (none / 0) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:08:20 AM EST
    other when it is time to vote or if they will continue to vote in lock step. I believe "lock step" is what they will pursue when all is said and done.

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    I don't know. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:17:15 AM EST
    plenty of demoralized GOP voters in 2008. There are ones that are promoting Christie for President in 2012 but I don't know how that works because he's pro-choice isn't he?

    I guess we shall see. The tea party already has a "hit list" for GOP senators and representatives that are up for reelection in '12.

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    Sorry, my comment lacked clarity (none / 0) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:40:45 AM EST
    I was referring to the Republicans in Congress voting in lock step.

    I hope the tea party does have a "hit list" for Republican congresscritters and that the Senators in Maine are on it.  

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    The senators (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 12:00:32 PM EST
    from Maine are on it and so are Dick Lugar among others. I think the entire list is on Red State if you care to look.

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    Thanks for info (none / 0) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 01:43:41 PM EST
    Not interested enough to click on Red State since a lot can change in 18 months or so. When things get closer it will be interesting to see who are on the list.

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    MANY republicans don't care about (none / 0) (#40)
    by BrassTacks on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:49:15 PM EST
    the abortion issue.  Many are fiscal conservatives and don't care about the social issues, or care much less.  Republicans, even the Tea party folks, love, love, love, Christie.  He was the top vote getter for their Presidential choice when the Tea Party had their convention in Richmond VA a couple of months ago.  they love him.  Go figure.  

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    Good riddens... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by masslib on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 01:04:50 PM EST
    My guess is it has something to do with Job Stewart criticizing him(totally deserved).  Jon Stewart got Crossfire canceled in a New York minute when he went after that show.

    My friend who is an (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:40:19 PM EST
    Olbermann devotee just sent me a petition demanding reinstatement

    I'm not (none / 0) (#5)
    by Zorba on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:12:30 PM EST
    so much an Olbermann devotee (often, I like what he says, but sometimes I think he needs to take some deep breaths before he says anything).  However, I also got the petition, and I did sign it.  Keith is not a journalist, he is a commentator with an obvious agenda which is clear to anyone who has seen his show.  If someone has a clear political agenda, as does Keith, it's different from someone who purports to be an objective journalist.  I have a problem with anyone who is a commentator having to get an okay with the "bosses" before giving money to a political campaign.  In fact, even a regular reporter should be able to give money to whoever without clearing it with the "powers that be," given the fact that regular donations are transparent and can be looked up.

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    Perhaps Kurtz can clarify (4.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:23:15 PM EST
    the situation -- the problem in the profession/industry for NBC that, in this case, is compounded by KO's hypocrisy. (Add to that the longtime gossip about KO as a difficult employee, and why give the bosses the excuse to kick some butt?).

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    He's not (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Zorba on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:35:51 PM EST
    a journalist.  I don't see the hypocrisy here.  It's not the same as
    when News Corp., Fox's parent, gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association and another million bucks to the GOP-backing Chamber of Commerce.

    He gave the legally allowable limit for an individual.  I'm not a huge Olbermann fan, but this is ridiculous.

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    When you claim to be (3.50 / 2) (#9)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:41:04 PM EST
    the new Edward R. Murrow, you're claiming to be a journalist.

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    lol (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:45:14 PM EST
    Yes, you believed that Olberman was a journalist....

    His schtick was at best a pundit, and at worst a political entertainer/comedian like Limbaugh.

    IOW he was proudly biased and not an objective journalist.

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    Jeez, really, how many times (4.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:10:00 PM EST
    have you been told here to work on your reading comprehension?  How you can consistently see the opposite of what someone said. . . . Poster child for some newly discovered learning disability?

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    ok, let's stop the intra-squabbles (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:17:01 PM EST
    Cream City, you get the last word on this one but please, any more battles between you and Squeaky need to be done privately. Or at least less personally.

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    Really! (4.40 / 5) (#21)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:34:17 PM EST
    Can you imagine Edward R. Murrow making campaign contributions?

    Olbermann even adopted Murrow's very characteristic physical mannerisms. Yech.

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    Like smoking on camera? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Harry Saxon on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 08:12:33 AM EST
    Good point.

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    Ugh. Who took (4.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:45:11 PM EST
    my Syntax Stink-o-Meter?  I wrote that sentence?

    Anyway, maybe you will get what I mean.  For now, back I go to the fun of the j-blogs on this.  But for fun for you, if you missed it earlier this year: the reason why Olbermann had to drop his "Worst Person in the World" shtick (and that he had to drop it ought to have been a warning) is here.

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    You Are Missing The Point (3.25 / 4) (#8)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:40:40 PM EST
    Olberman dissed Hillary and is now on Cream City's hit list.

    Simple, has nothing to do with logic or rational thinking.

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    Hardly, I was not a big fan (4.25 / 4) (#12)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:08:05 PM EST
    before that, because I once was a journalist.

    I understand that many people here did not train in journalism so do not see the problems Keithie posed for his employer when this emerges in the FEC filings.  However, I also understand that you cannot see that, because you resemble Keithie in . . . well, we'll just say: in so many ways.


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    Who Was A Big Fan? (3.50 / 2) (#15)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:15:42 PM EST
    There is a significant difference between not being a fan of Olberman and being bat sh*t crazy against him.

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    Who WOULD qualify (3.50 / 2) (#23)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 02:38:28 AM EST
    as a "journalist" worthy of the name in the present day milieu of all-the-news-the-corporate-sponsors-see-fit-to-air?

    The only choice these days seems to be between  completely cowed, defanged and declawed functionaries and intermittently inspired "entertainers" like Olbermann.

    And yes, a good firing plus a stake through that foul, misogynist beast Keithie's heart for his anti-Hillary bias (to go along with all the necessary eternal torment in the next world). Some of us never forget..  

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    I fully agree with you (none / 0) (#30)
    by Cream City on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:36:15 AM EST
    on your first two paragraphs.  There are very few journalists on cable teevee -- and thus, the problem for NBC and others is to either admit that and not just recycle the previous type of contracts . . . or to make changes in cable shows to be able to reclaim professional integrity in the industry.

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    Yeah (3.50 / 2) (#14)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:15:06 PM EST
    He mentioned that Hillary should go into a room with a superdelegate and only the superdelegate should come out.

    He should have been fired for THAT.  

    But just go on and defend him for "dissing" Hillary, because that's the kind of juvenile person you are.  

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    where's the lawyer? (none / 0) (#32)
    by diogenes on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:46:16 AM EST
    Olberman hasn't contested this yet, so it sounds like he violated clear contractual language.  If he didn't like it, he could have taken care of this before making the contributions.
    If Olberman can contest this in court, then he is welcome to and I would support him if he wins.

    Or maybe... Where are the agents? (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by EL seattle on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 12:54:52 PM EST
    If KO is halfway through his 4-year $30 million dollar contract extension, this would probably be a predictable time for renegotiation anyway, especially if Countdown isn't tearing up the ratings.  (Like on election night.)

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    Chris Matthews will be the next to go........ (none / 0) (#37)
    by samsguy18 on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 03:08:43 PM EST
    and then Maddox....I'm sure Comcast wants to increase their ratings and it will never happen with this crew...

    Only if their ratings are low (none / 0) (#41)
    by BrassTacks on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:38:26 PM EST
    If they're making money, they'll keep them on.  It's a business.  Comcast is it to make money.  

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