Witness: "Yeah, you got blood all over, man. I looked over and he's got blood on the back of his head. You alright man?"

Zimmerman: "Ah, man this guy he was beating up on me so I had to shoot him."

Witness: "Did you use a 9 or a 40?"

Zimmerman: "I used a 9."

Witness: "Did you call 911, yet?"

Zimmerman: "No, I already called. Can you just call my wife?"

How odd is it that the witness asked "did you use a 9 or a 40"?

And, how well did Zimmerman know this witness?

Having said all that, how do folks here square the growing possibility that the confrontation led (or occurred mainly?)  40-60 feet south of the T with the probable narrative that the initial blow was a sucker punch that led to both being on the ground/ sidewalk?

Chris Serino told the The Orlando Sentinel: 'Everything I have is adding up to what he says.' The released documents don't contradict that.

Serino's theory of the case is summarized in his March 13 Capias Request (pp. 26-27).

According to records checks, all of Zimmerman's suspicious persons calls while residing in the Retreat neighborhood have identified Black males as the subjects.

   * * *

The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern.

The first point is inaccurate. Zimmerman reported as suspicious  a white male in September 2005,  and a group of three men, two hispanic and one white, in June of 2007. Call logs.

Serino didn't explain what either point has to do with a manslaughter charge, in the capias request or anywhere else in the documents so far released.

For my argument, what matters is that Serino made both points without suggesting that Zimmerman had been anything but truthful. Serino's theory is not that Zimmerman must be guilty because he is lying and hiding something. Serino's theory is that Zimmerman is guilty even if everything he says is true.

"Witness 6

This witness lived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.

He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman."

To this:

"But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.

"I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.

He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.

He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.

"The black guy was on top," he said."

Martin has a right to be in fear, so if Zimmerman approaches close enough, maybe Martin did lay into him. I think under stand your ground he had a right. The gun obviously got exposed at some point. I don't care how good his football was, I expect he didn't think he could out run a bullet. So Trayvon was standing his ground against a heavier, suspiciously acting guy who'd been following him for a while, and had a gun.

I do not believe the intent of the law was to make the exemption available to both parties, so I believe the weight of the evidence clearly makes Martin the "threatened" party in all this. So it does not matter if he threw down on Zimmerman, and it doesn't matter if he was/did kick the crap out of him. Zimmerman is entitled to make a case for self-defense, but I don't think he gets the protections of stand your ground. That was already used up by Martin.

Of Children and Inkblots: Trayvon Martin and the Psychopathology of Whiteness. This article contains many falsehoods and assumptions about the case and assumes a bad motive on white people who think Zimmerman is innocent. "The only explanation for such confidence is that whites presume black people to be scary, dangerous, suspicious, and worthy of a lower threshold of evidence before one takes action against them. There is no other explanation."

This is Bigger than Kim and Kanye. An incoherent piece that assumes Zimmerman started the fight, and asserts that this is in fact more important to Kim and Kanye.

An article misleadingly titled State Says Trayvon Martin was profiled. The article only describes an argument by a former state prosecutor.

FDLE: Now you just mentioned moving to the sidewalk.

W6: When they were wrestling, when I said "Cut it out" and before I turned to go inside they moved up onto the sidewalk and they're no longer laying this way, they were laying this way at that point, so they wrestled to that point.

FDLE: And you're showing parallel with the dog walk.

W6: Yea, this is the sidewalk, they were this way when I first saw them they were wrestling and moved that way.

Curiously, the police reports list the sweatshirt as ME-12 and the hoodie as ME-8.

Martin's clothing and watch are ME-7 to ME-12 (pp. 10-11).

The order is: shoes, hoodie, pants, underwear, watch, shirt.

No socks, apparently.

It seems the order is bottom to top, first for items considered 'outer', then the rest.

This is what still makes me think the prosecution cares about the idea of a foot chase, or at minimum the idea that the "debris field" spread may be significant to them.  

All of GZ's surrogates describe a fight that doesn't include much or any movement from a standing, brief verbal exchange to suddenly and finally being on the ground.  

Here is a news reporter's description of RZ's story he heard from his son.  

George Zimmerman called police, and started "walking in the same general direction to see where the individual was going," and get an address for police.

At one point, he said, Trayvon approached him saying, `Do you have an f-ing problem?' George replied no and reached for his cell phone.

Trayvon "punched him in the nose, his nose was broken, and he was knocked to the concrete." Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding Trayvon Martin got on top of him and just started beating him in the face, in his nose, hitting his head on the concrete."

Read more here: http://tinyurl.com/c4zlmho

Jeralyn has a thread about this interview by FOX 35's Valerie Boey with RZ, but the embedded link to the video interview on local TV is no longer working.  

this link seems active at present.
http://tinyurl.com/d7afdyr

here is my own transcription of the relevant part of the interview:

RZ: ..he lost sight of the individual, he continued to walk down the same sidewalk, uh, to the next street, so he could get an address for the police, he went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking back to his vehicle.  It's my understanding that at that point Trayvon Martin walked up to him, asked him do you have a (expletive deleted) problem? George said "no, I don't have a problem" and started to reach for his cell phone.   At that point, he was punched in the nose, his nose was broken, and he was knocked to the concrete. Trayvon Martin got on top of him.. etc"

(italics are mine)

Robert Zimmerman was present for the videotaped walk thru, and presumably has talked with his son at length about where the fight occurred and how it progressed.  To my ears, he's describing a path GZ took on the cut thru to RVC and back, never one the ventures onto the dog walk N-S path, since that would not be "walking back to his vehicle."  

RZ also says specifically that TM saw the weapon during the struggle, causing him to give a death threat to GZ, and then continued to hit GZ.  He never says TM tried to reach for the weapon, which struck me as odd the first time I heard and still does.  Instead, RZ says TM saw the weapon, gave the death threat, then "continued to beat George..." until he was shot by GZ.  

RZ also does not believe TM was on the phone with anyone at the time, since the news of this call came so long after the killing.  Listen to the interview for his thoughts regarding this matter.  

It's my understanding that RZ could be called as a witness and asked about his conversations with his son since there is no attorney-client relationship, nor is there a parent-child immunity law in Florida.  IANAL,  however.  

Again I remind myself that GZ's statements to Sanford PD Investigators are not yet in the public realm, nor is it likely they will be soon.

We'll have to wait and see what GZ's own version is, and also if there is any good way for the prosecution to make anything of an idea of a fight that included a foot chase, running man, or spread of evidence leading south of the cut thru path the distance it does.   Like I have said, it seems thin.  (If I were a prosecutor, I'd hate to go to trial with someone like W-2 as my star witness.)  But they haven't let it go, AFAICT.  

I have not seen or heard all of what has been released from W-2, and neither can I tell from Jeralyn's synopsis if W-2 ever backed off of seeing at least one figure running in her final interview.  

For all we know, W2 saw TM run up to GZ and instigate a fight.  But again, that doesn't fit what any of GZ's surrogates are describing as his version of events.  

BTW, when she is asked "towards the T or towards the street" (paraphrased?) I think this means North or South, since at the extreme southern end of the dog walk is a street.