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    Interesting story (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 09:26:16 AM EST
    happening in a little town not far from me-

    http://tinyurl.com/m57kdya

    Here's a fun story about a bunch of very corrupt looking cops and city employees cleverly trying to appear racist to avoid being investigated for illegal shenanigans.



    U are the reason I got here. Heh (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 09:45:14 AM EST
    I don't offer that much, but when I got in a argument with a DK front pager, I left there. And that was when all the candidates were up for discussion. You had left as Armando and returned as BTD.I had joined DK in 2004 but when I was truly insulted for no other reason except I was offering a piece of news that was not even my opinion but went against this 'new' anointed  diarist, then he was insulting in a put down way and I figured it was time to move on. So I went to see what BTD was doing at TL. I never looked back and I am always glad to see an opinion piece by you. Keep up the good work. Go U of F. My brother went there. Like you said, life it too short and flying by at a terrific rate.

    You and me (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 10:04:23 AM EST
    and probably a lot of others. I missed BTD/Armando's writing at DK. I've been back to DK on and off but I had the same experience you had and did not go back for literally years.

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    Can We Do Both ? (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 01:33:34 PM EST
    For those of you who do not like to read my posts, here is an Open Thread for your comments.


    Supremes to Cops: Lie More Creatively (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 01:49:28 PM EST
    WASHINGTON -- A divided Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that police cannot detain drivers stopped for traffic violations in order to search for drugs without reasonable suspicion.

    The 6-3 decision was a victory for privacy groups opposed to police searches and a defeat for the government and law enforcement officials
    "A traffic stop does not license police to pursue unrelated investigations that prolong detention of car and driver beyond the time it takes to complete the stop's traffic-centered mission," Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said. A dog sniff, she added, "lacks the same tie to roadway safety."

    Ginsburg was joined by the court's liberal bloc as well as Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Antonin Scalia, both of whom tend to oppose police and prosecutorial overreach.



    And I'm sure cops will... (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:01:07 PM EST
    but I'll take this sound ruling nonetheless.

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    BRCA1/BRCA2 genetic test now $249 (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:07:00 PM EST
    BRCA1 and BRCA2 are arguably the best-known human genes because their mutations are linked to an increased risk of breast and ovarian cancer. When Angelina Jolie revealed in a New York Times op-ed that she'd tested positive for the mutation and decided to undergo a double mastectomy, she also noted that: "The cost of testing for BRCA1 and BRCA2, at more than $3,000 in the United States, remains an obstacle for many women."

    Colors Genomics is currently available in 45 states and is on its way to comply with further regulations required in New York, Maryland, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania and Florida.

    DEA Chief (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:23:20 PM EST
    Michele Leonhart is expected to step down.

    NPR

    About Damn Time (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:24:46 PM EST
    Infamous moronic moment.

    The head of the DEA should know which is more dangerous, marijuana or heroin.

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    Yes. (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:50:09 PM EST
    Past time, in fact.

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    Hey, Kdog! Your city (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:11:18 PM EST
    just outlawed running  credit checks on job applicants (with a few exceptions).
    Good for New York City!

    TheNation

    Very cool... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 09:41:12 PM EST
    I'd imagine my total lack of credit history could be viewed as suspect should I seek other employment.

    Beating a piss test is easy...them finance pigs I haven't figured out, and probably never will. Such a strange breed.

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    Various. (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by lentinel on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 05:41:09 PM EST
    Getting the nuclear deal with Iran is a once in a lifetime opportunity. So said the President. I agree with that assessment. We read about the sales job to be undertaken.

    Yet it has appeared to have dropped out of the news entirely. How this happens in the media is puzzling. How can they be so righteously feverish about negotiations involving the threat of nuclear war, and in the next instant forget all about it and move on to Justin Bieber with seemingly equal passion?

    On another subject, President Obama has taken issue with criticism by Sen. Elizabeth Warren concerning the new trade deal that he is negotiating, the so-called "Trans-Pacific Partnership":

    "I love Elizabeth. We're allies on a whole host of issues, but she's wrong on this.."

    Among her concerns are that this bill could worsen income inequality.

    The President said that these concerns were not valid, but did not elaborate.

    Just saying that Senator Warren is "wrong on this" doesn't do much for me. She has too much credibility.

    As background, I well remember what Bill Clinton's trade agreements did to impoverish Haiti. So I am inclined to be sceptical about this agreement until Senator Warren is on board.

    It is rather odoriferous (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by lentinel on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 05:33:04 AM EST
    that President Obama, in defending the TPP, expressed himself in this fashion:
    "I love Elizabeth. We're allies on a whole host of issues, but she's wrong on this.."

    Among Elizabeth Warren's concerns are that this bill could worsen income inequality. She is not alone in that.

    I think he could have said that he respects her opinion and will meet with her to allay her concerns.

    But no. He just announces that she is "wrong on this".

    Personally, I think her credibility is way above his, so if she has grave concerns about the deal, I listen.

    I am led to recall his infamous "sweetie"remark. I can't recall him using that same tone in calling male cretins - like Boehner or McCain or the rest of those loser idiots, "wrong". With them, it's let's work together and all that bs.

    If he is out to weaken Warren's credibility and support among progressives, I don't think it's going to work.

    Here's my comment (4.67 / 12) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 08:00:05 AM EST
    If you want to comment in MY posts (not Jeralyn's or Open Threads) I require you read and address what I write, not make up your own straw men.

    I'm not discussing why, I'm just banning folks from my threads if they decide to distort or be dishonest about the arguments.

    No warnings. No suspensions.

    Just bannings from my threads.

    Life's too short.

    Bless you (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 08:08:43 AM EST
    love the one.  

    Can you troll your own blog?  Who knew.

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    Highly recommended editorial (none / 0) (#5)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 09:58:08 AM EST
    Congratulations to Kathleen Kingsbury of the globe who just won the pulitzer prize for the editorial series: Service Not Included

    "The restaurant industry in the United States is exploding, just as the income gap is widening. The trends are related."

    "Americans have started asking questions about every aspect of a restaurant's operations -- except for how employees are treated."

    Really short version - the people who make the food are treated like absolute cr@p.

    Great food for thought... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 10:15:23 AM EST
    pun intended.

    It's clear the federal government has no will to address this national shame, and only select few state and local governments.  It is up to the consumer to give a sh&t...just as the workers have made some progress lately with strikes and public pressure, the consumer can add even more pressure.  

    And the same goes for other industries plagued by embarrassingly low wages...not just restaurants.

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    No doubt (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 11:15:31 AM EST
    when reading the comments on these types of things (I know...) you constantly see people responding with things like "well EMTs, Firefighters, etc... only make "X" so why should a cook (whoever) make more?"

    Those people should also be making more.  But that's not a good excuse to $hit all over everyone else.

    And since the service industry is one of the expanding industries in our "new economy" I think it's a good time to sit back and think about what that means, and what we can/should do about it.

    Seriously though, the wages of the back of house in particular are generally atrocious.  And this is true at fancier places as well where it is absolutely skilled labor.

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    No doubt... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 11:35:17 AM EST
    The time is now to address this...or institute guaranteed income.  It's one or the other in the 21st Century economy...cuz this sh*t ain't gonna work much longer.  You can only kick a dog so many times before it decides to bite.

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    The opening of (none / 0) (#14)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 01:01:54 PM EST
    Criminal in Utopia (PDF link) by Mack Reynolds:

    Rex Moran dialed his wrist teevee phone for the time and looked at the clock face that appeared on the screen. A robot voice said, "When the bell rings it will be exactly two minutes until eight hours." A tiny bell rang.

    This was written in 1968.

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    Capt howdy: (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 10:50:38 AM EST
    gratituous dig=

    To extend the metaphor above, I don't think Hillary is exactly Kate Winslet.  Maybe closer to Kathy Bates in the

    PS. You did "get" it.  Also, although I've seen the Molly Brown musical I somehow missed Kathy Bates in the movie. Mea culpa.

    Yea has usual (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM EST
    You seem to be channelling (none / 0) (#112)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 at 06:57:13 AM EST
    Frau Farbissina these days.

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    So much... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 12:55:46 PM EST
    for the cease fire on small-time marijuana busts in NYC's war on drugs...they pinched Marijuana Man over a nickel bag of funk.

    So much for the cease-fire on petty fines in the name of community relations too...busted for spitting.

    Hey Bratton...some of your mercs missed your memos.

     

    From our "Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs" file: (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 12:59:05 PM EST
    Quite honestly, some proposals and ideas are so obviously stupid and patently unconstitutional at first glance, that they really require no further explanation from their critics and detractors.

    Los Angeles Times | April 21, 2015
    California initiative would bar transgender people from bathrooms -- "A group that tried unsuccessfully to repeal California's transgender students rights act now has proposed a ballot measure to restrict the restrooms that transgender people can use. Called the Personal Privacy Protection Act, it would require people to 'use facilities in accordance with their biological sex' in government-owned buildings, including public schools and universities."

    (Sigh!) Obviously, some people simply have too much time on their hands.

    I wonder how they plan to (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:45:03 PM EST
    determine this "biological sex"?

    Gawd, I can't stand the pockets of nut jobs in my state.

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    I think the plan is... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:08:37 PM EST
    to hire this guy for enforcement.

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    Well, you made me think of Bruce Jenner... (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 01:43:24 PM EST
    Isn't he still into women? Would Bruce be welcome in women's public restrooms just because he had some cosmetic surgery and wore a dress? Why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?

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    what about lesbians (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 01:46:19 PM EST
    and gay men?

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    I propose... (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 01:56:06 PM EST
    universal unisex bathrooms...let's all grow up.

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    No kidding. Women talk about all sorts of (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:02:43 PM EST
    stuff in the bathrooms.  Men are too busy trying not to look at each other's junk.

    Dylan's Idiot Wind is a good (sung) description of American cultural norms.

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    I'd be cool with that (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:04:52 PM EST
    Although I guess I'd rather not deal with urinals.  Seems kind of awkward.  But I really don't care who is in the stall next to me.

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    Put some (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:12:42 PM EST
    Enclosures with doors around the urinals, have regular toilets behind doors, too, and everyone can use the same bathrooms.


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    I'm already used to it... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:09:17 PM EST
    a woman or three raids the mens room at almost every show I go to...I'd do the same, the ladies room line is ridiculous.  You'd miss half the second set waiting on that line.  And we fellas only use the stalls as a last resort anyway.

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    When in need, one makes do as one must. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:17:38 PM EST
    This being a family-friendly site, I'll spare you the details about the desperate women who'll crash the men's room at Murphy's -- which has an ol' fashioned trough -- every St. Patrick's Day, because the line for the ladies' room is ridiculously long by half.

    ;-D

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    Ya, I get that. But what I'm asking is (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:09:34 PM EST
    Why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?

    Assuming Jenner finishes his process, I'd imagine some women might not care in the least that he's in their restroom.

    I'd also imagine some other women might not be so comfortable, that they might consider him, well, a guy who had surgery and wears dresses.

    I'm taking no position on this (and it does kinda bug me that I have to say that, but, wev) I'm exploring the subject.

    Again, why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?

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    Part of the problem is that you still (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 08:59:26 PM EST
    see Jenner as a man.  Which is probably not all that unusual, unfortunately.  Jenner - even before she finishes "the process" - doesn't think of herself as a man.  That's why she's transitioning to the gender she believes she was meant to be: female.  "He" is no longer a him, but a her.  She's not just a man wearing a dress, she's a woman whose body is finally being realigned to the gender Jenner believes it was meant to be.

    How does this threaten anyone, much less other women in a public restroom?  

    I can't speak for anyone else, but when I go into a restroom, I may make note of who else might be in there, but I'm not speculating about whether any of the women are "a guy who had surgery and wears dresses."  Why would I?  

    Yes, if I walked into a restroom and there was a man in there, it would startle me.  Why?  Because we are a land of gendered bathrooms, and I'd wonder why a man would choose to go into the ladies' room, when there's a men's room just for him.  

    I'd be more comfortable using a unisex public bathroom than a unisex work bathroom.  The anonymity of a public space is what keeps what's happening there from feeling intimate.  I just don't need to know about my male co-workers' bathroom habits.  I don't want to know about them.

    It has nothing to do with lack of maturity, it has to do with personal space.

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    Good points. (none / 0) (#70)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 01:35:46 AM EST
    I would like to reiterate, because I really think it has been missed:

    I'm taking no position on this (and it does kinda bug me that I have to say that, but, wev) I'm exploring the subject.

    I don't don't still see Jenner is a man. At all.

    I am not taking any position on this.

    The following is not directed at you, Anne, it's a general "you."

    And I'm not asking you about your personal opinions about taking a leak next to a stranger of the opposite sex, although I do appreciate your viewpoint on that.

    In the context of the broad initiative DfH presented, I'm asking the broad question of

    why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?
    and, therefor, as an example, would Jenner be broadly welcomed, or not, in women's public restrooms.

    He certainly does not threaten ME in any way, I'm not in women's public restrooms. At least not since my first child was conceived. (OK, that was a jk, it some friends of mine, not me. Really.) And I would not be threatened by him if he was next to me in a men's restroom.

    However, I wonder how this plays out in the real world.

    afaik, his sexual interest is women, 100%.

    Would some/none/a lot/whatever of women be ok with Jenner, for example, who has spent his entire life as a man (and a bonafide ladies man at that), who is now frequenting their public restrooms after he had cosmetic surgery and changed his wardrobe?

    And I think that has a lot to do with the very answer to the reasonable question of "Why women (generally) don't want men in their public restrooms."

    And, fwiw, this is not a bashing women topic. I think most men, generally, would rather not have women in their restrooms. On the one hand it's kinda cool, but my experience has been that when things get...er...loud...guys would much rather not have a women in the next stall.

    Anyway, this is a relatively new and interesting twist on the, imo, painfully ordinary and discussed-to-death topic of gay men and women in restrooms. zzzz...

    As I understand it Jenner's reasonable interest in what's "underneath the skirt" has not waned one iota. Yes, I understand, not all every tg is him.

    At the very least it seems like a topic to think a little about...

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    Why do men need to be in a (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 07:14:18 AM EST
    restroom that is designated for women?  As long as there are designated men's bathrooms, they don't.  Which, again, is why women would look askance, feel intruded upon, be a little skeezed out by, walking into a women's bathroom and finding a man in it.

    I don't think it should be a matter of women having to explain why they don't want men in their bathrooms, but a matter of why a man shouldn't have to explain why he isn't using the men's room.  I mean, as it stands now, a woman finding a man in the ladies' room is probably calling security, because her first thought is probably, "is this man going to rape me?"  How is that not obvious?

    Okay, so that's gender, let's talk about sex.  I don't think I've ever wondered if any of the women in the bathroom with me are lesbians.  I have wondered why people seem to think that being lesbian - or gay - means one is under greater threat of being sexually attacked by someone of the same gender.  Do people believe that those who are gay have no self-control, and being in the presence of someone of the same sex triggers uncontrollable sexual urges?

    Maybe it's time for bathrooms-for-one for those who fear the presence of the opposite gender in the same bathroom with them, or those who fear being preyed on by people of the same gender sharing a bathroom with them.  Or those with shy bladders or who just want more privacy than being surrounded by stall doors.

    Yes, everyone poops and everyone pees, and maybe we should just come to terms with that concept and take the position that being in a bathroom means you probably have the need to do one or the other, and that's all you want to do.

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    Back in the day day (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 10:54:16 AM EST
    the co I worked for had to close the men's room for a couple days to get some repair work done in the men's room, so we all had to share the women's room. There were only about 15 or so of us in that office.

    What us guys found interesting, and kinda cool in a sisterhood kind of way, was that the women had gotten together and put a storage bin on their restroom vanity and each woman had a drawer with their name on it in which they stored makeup and stuff.

    Anyway, for those couple days we all knocked and announced before entering, and there were no uncomfortable experiences for anyone.

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    Sounds perfectly civilized (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 02:04:58 PM EST
    to me, Sarc.  Good for all of you.
    And I also realize that this involved a small number of employees, but still, kudos to you and the rest.

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    Why, of course they do! (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 02:28:04 PM EST
    Anne: "I have wondered why people seem to think that being lesbian - or gay - means one is under greater threat of being sexually attacked by someone of the same gender. Do people believe that those who are gay have no self-control, and being in the presence of someone of the same sex triggers uncontrollable sexual urges?"

    That's actually their primary rationale for nurturing such irrational fears, though most would hardly admit so publicly nowadays and would instead insist that they're simply thinking of the children.

    (Personally, I often wonder why we continue to allow bigots to use children as a rhetorical and symbolic prop for the perpetuation of hate and ignorance.)

    I freely admit that I once harbored those same stupid fears when younger. And I began to shed them, once I started perceiving such imaginary threats as a mere reflection of my own personal vanity.

    That is, I was actually flattering myself perversely, by believing that gay men in my presence would simply find me irresistible, and would therefore just throw themselves at me given the opportunity. And how utterly ridiculous was that notion, given that women quite obviously never had any problems rejecting my own often boorish advances!

    The California restroom initiative actually says far more about its silly sponsors and foolish proponents, than it is revelatory of the LGBT community. When it comes to ridding ourselves of such homophobic nonsense, the first hurdle we need to clear is our need to get over our own selves.

    Aloha.

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    Why do women prefer men not (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 07:22:20 AM EST
    Use the women's rest room?

    Because the line to use the women's rest room is already too d@mn long. 😃

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    Ah jeez. And now... (none / 0) (#71)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 02:03:05 AM EST
    ...one of the greatest athletes in US history is a smoker.

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    The author of that article (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by sj on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 03:40:26 PM EST
    doesn't get it either. He used the masculine pronoun throughout.

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    Yes, he doesn't get it (none / 0) (#97)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 04:15:58 PM EST
    Just as so many articles about Chelsea Manning didn't get it, because they kept referring to her as Bradley, and using the masculine pronoun.
    While we have come a long way regarding our LGBT brothers and sisters, we still have a very, very far way to go.

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    We Have Come a Very Long Way... (none / 0) (#99)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 04:44:21 PM EST
    ...if the beef is incorrect pronouns.

    Caution, spoilers of sorts.

    I watched the 'The Imitation Game' and the guy responsible for building the machine that cracked the German enigma code during WWII committed suicide after being found guilty of being gay(or whatever they called it in Brittan).  

    His options were jail or chemical castration.  He chose the ladder, but it messed with his thoughts, so he killed himself.  One could easily argue Alan Turing saved more lives than any other person throughout history.

    But Turing, renowned as the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence, was best known for his mental gymnastics. The Cambridge- and Princeton-educated Turing, who had been working part time at Britain's code-breaking organization, the Government Code and Cypher School, reported for duty at Bletchley Park immediately after Britain declared war on Germany in 1939. He quickly became one of the government's greatest assets, with the cracking of Germany's Enigma code shortening the war by two to four years and saving an estimated 14 million to 21 million lives, historians claim. Prime Minister Winston Churchill said Turing's work was the single greatest contribution to Allied triumph.  
     LINK

    So I repeat, we have come a damn long way if the beef is incorrect pronouns.  Not that we can't do more and of course Turing was gay, not transgender.

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    "While donning a striped dress." (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 02:44:59 AM EST
    Except Bruce has already go the dress on!

    Has he revealed what her first name will be?

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    Google says "Belinda." (none / 0) (#79)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 10:39:56 AM EST
    That hasn't been confirmed yet, though (none / 0) (#90)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 02:16:17 PM EST
    If I were him, and wanted a female name that started with B, I would probably choose Boudica.

    Boudica (ˈbuːdɨkə; alternative spelling: Boudicca), also known as Boadicea boʊdɨˈsiːə, and known in Welsh as Buddug [ˈbɨ̞ðɨ̞ɡ][1] (d. AD 60 or 61) was queen of the British Iceni tribe, a Celtic tribe who led an uprising against the occupying forces of the Roman Empire.

    Wikipedia.


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    A good looking young man walked just (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 04:05:49 PM EST
    inadvertently walk into the Women's room at JFK. Boy, did he make a speedy retreat!

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    That would be an awesome name for Jenner. (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 07:13:51 PM EST
    There's an imposing statue of Queen Boudica in London that was initially commissioned by Albert, Prince Consort to Queen Victoria, and sculpted by Thomas Thornycroft. It was finally completed in 1905, four-plus decades after Albert's death, and is sited near Parliament at Westminster Pier.

    Boudica came dangerously close to driving the Romans from Britain altogether, and inflicted several stinging defeats upon their legions before finally being overwhelmed by massive reinforcements sent from the continent. She certainly stands as one of the great warrior queens in history, alongside others such as:

    • Queen Zenobia of Palmyra (present-day Syria), who similarly challenged Rome's hegemony in the Middle East, expelling its army from Palestine and Egypt in A.D. 269 and executing the Roman governor, Tenegia Probus, whose head she reportedly then ordered to be sent to the Emperor Aurelian; and

    • Empress Consort Taytu Betul of Ethiopia, who in the 1890s successfully coerced her husband Menelek II into resisting Italy's designs upon their country and, as commander of the Royal Ethiopian Cannoneers, ultimately played a decisive role in the rout and destruction of the Italian army at the 1896 Battle of Adwa, thus securing her country's independence from colonial rule.

    These were not dainty and demure women, by any stretch of the imagination. Rather than defer to the menfolk, they instead asserted their own strong-willed authority and kicked some very serious a$$ in their day.

    Zenobia was considered a renowned beauty in her time, and much like what happened with Boudica, when the Romans had her husband assassinated, she led her people in revolt against the Empire. By most accounts, she was a skilled horsewoman and charioteer, and her infantrymen in particular came to revere her for her habit of marching with them personally on foot, rather than following up their advances by carriage from the rear. After the Palmyrenes' eventual defeat by Emperor Aurelian's forces in A.D. 272, their queen was taken prisoner and sent to Rome.

    While some accounts have Zenobia either dying of a hunger strike or being beheaded by the Romans, other contemporaneous and more reliable narratives note that her courage and dignity while in captivity reportedly enchanted Emperor Aurelian, who subsequently ordered her freed. While he forbade Zenobia from ever returning to her native Palmyra, Aurelian lavished her with favors and gave her one his own prized villas and estates near present-day Tivoli, Italy. She apparently married a Roman senator named Marcus Petrus Nutenus, had several children, and presumably lived out the remainder of her life as a prominent Roman matron.

    (NOTE: Queen Zenobia's former capital city has been in the news considerably of late, as its renowned antiquities are very much threatened by the current civil war in Syria, and are reportedly being looted by ISIS forces.)

    As a much-beloved Emperor of Ethiopia, Menelek II's authority actually rested a great deal upon his strong-willed wife Taytu Betul, a hardline nationalist who was deeply suspicious of European encroachment in Africa. When Italy pressured Menelek into signing the 1894 Treaty of Wuchale, his Empress Consort publicly voiced her extreme displeasure with the agreement, which effectively rendered her country an Italian protectorate.

    The Empress Consort reportedly ordered the Amharic-language version of the treaty rewritten to remove the offending provisions, which provoked an Italian military invasion and thus forced her husband's hand. Because of her key role in the 1896 victory over the Italians at Adwa, she very much came to represent the power in the term "power couple."

    Even after Menelek II's death in 1913, Taytu Betul apparently continued to exert considerable influence over the Ethiopian court and government. Two years before her own death in 1918, she reputedly engineered the palace coup which toppled her step-grandson Emperor Iyasu V, and had him replaced with her favorite stepdaughter Zewditu, with whom she had always maintained a very close relationship and friendship.

    For her part, Empress Zewtidu was the aunt by marriage of Tafari Makonnen, her own favorite whom she named as Crown Prince. He succeeded her to throne upon her 1930 death as Emperor Haile Selassie I, ruling Ethiopia as the self-styled "Lion of Judah" until a Soviet-backed Marxist coup overthrew his government in November 1974, to the dismay of Rastafarians everywhere.

    Aloha.

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    I think it is ingrained (none / 0) (#73)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 03:31:26 AM EST
    It is how were are raised (both men and women) here in the USA. It's hard to change the mindset that was planted at birth. It's an invasion of private space, mainly, I think. Think back to the days when men didn't want female reporters in the looker room (and many still don't). What's different with that? The whole thing about TG's (and anyone who isn't wholesomely straight) in the restroom is just plain bigotry and ignorance, imo.

    Also, I think it may feel less threatening to guys to have some chicks invade their restroom at a sporting event or concert vs the opposite. Plus, I think most see our problem and their open stalls ;) Apparently the opposite is true at tech conferences . . .

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    What happens at tech conferences? (none / 0) (#80)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 10:42:23 AM EST
    Mostly men, long bathroom lines. (none / 0) (#83)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 11:01:28 AM EST
    Ah, yes, thanks. (none / 0) (#84)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 11:33:54 AM EST
    Not Even That... (none / 0) (#92)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 03:11:00 PM EST
    ...come on guys, the bathrooms are distinguishing, especially at sporting events.  Guys are wizing in the sinks, there is always a couple that look like they haven't been flushed in a decade.  It's rare for me to see a public toilet that I would sit at.  Work places and nicer restaurants, but no place they serve booze.  And they would have to eliminate urinals, because you could not have girls seeing junk.  I would imagine that is against the law and men could be charged unless codes are updated, but why bother ?

    But the most important reason is from time to time one has to relive built up air pressure and I don't know many folks that comfortable doing that in mixed company.  I am not, I don't like doing it around people I don't know, except the bathroom, it's the one place it's acceptable and to hell with changing that for a problem that simply does not exist.

    You want to know what unisex bathrooms would look like, go to a festival and visit the unisex porta potties.  The idea that women would be down with this idiocity is ridiculous. Never mind all the stupid garbage the men with no control would be pulling with phone cameras and whatever else would surely follow.

    Who cares were transgenders go, let them have one benefit that we don't, choosing where they want to go.

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    Scott, take a few deep breaths, (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 04:33:09 PM EST
    and travel to other countries.
    As I said previously, we still have a lot of our Puritan heritage here.
    The restroom we used in Scotland that was dual-gender-use was at a Scottish festival, where there was plenty of beer and (not surprisingly) Scotch flowing, and a whole lot of imbibers of both genders, all of whom used the unisex restroom, and nobody seemed to have a problem with this.
    The "girls" weren't freaked out about men at the urinals, the men didn't seem to care, and everyone, despite many of them having imbibed "spiritous liquors," behaved as adults.
    Imagine that.  


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    Well When The US is Populated... (none / 0) (#102)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 05:01:04 PM EST
    ...by Scots from Scotland(not including me), you have a valid point.  But right now, we are populated by Americans.

    There are unisex bathrooms everywhere here, usually handicap, and usually around a corner, usually single use handicap.

    It's a solution in search of a problem.

    When I was in Ecuador you could not flush toilet paper, should we all put dirty TP in a basket by the toilet because they do ?  That is what you are suggesting because as far as I can tell there is no actual problem with flushing TP here or having separate bathrooms.  

    I don't even share a bathroom at my house, my friends use mine and the gf's friends use hers.  Not for any other reason then that is what we both prefer.

    It's a good system and I have no idea what the point of making them unisex would be.  Same number of folks got to use the facilities so the same number of stalls and urinals would be needed, the only space you would saver is one less door.  And if you eliminated urinals, which seems likely, you would need more space in that a stall takes up far more.

    It's a really dumb idea that will never happen.  No offense to you personally.

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    We are going to have to (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 06:28:44 PM EST
    agree to disagree on this one, Scott.
    I think that your Ecuador example is, shall I say, hyperbole, and has nothing whatsoever to do with unisex restrooms.
    It's fine that you and your male friends use "your" bathroom, and that your gf's friends use "hers."  Seems more than a bit strange to me, but to each their own.
    And no offense to you and your gf, either.
    Namaste.

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    I have stayed out of this (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 05:22:50 PM EST
    because my views on these subjects are usually wildly out of the mainstream.
    But in a way a agree with you both.
    Broadly I find the whole thing silly.  Gay establishments have pretty much always had unisex bathrooms.  Shrug.
    When I went to Europe in the 70s some of my friends were horrified by the unisex bathrooms.  Shrug again.

    That said, I have to really really need to go to use any public bathroom.  And that said, men's are always worse.  Hands down.   Sad but true.  If I have to go at a truck stop or something I have been known to wait until someone leaves the ladies room and try to slip in unnoticed.  This only works with single seaters.  In stall land, oy, the need has to be great.

    Bottom line, bathrooms are very personal places.  For some way more than others.  

    For my part I could care less what the plumbing is of the people sharing it are as long as they are clean.

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    Well, that interview should certainly (none / 0) (#113)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Apr 25, 2015 at 12:59:04 AM EST
    put to rest any concerns about sharing a restroom with Jenner.

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    Okay, so tell me (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by sj on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 03:32:53 PM EST
    Again, why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?
    Who do you trust to speak for all women?

    You have already ignored Zorba's response once. So apparently she isn't the "woman" spokesperson. Who works for you?

    Speaking for myself and not all women: that was truly a stupid a$$ question.

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    If it's not clear (none / 0) (#95)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 03:48:18 PM EST
    the question was posed w/respect to our conversation about TG's, like Jenner, in public restrooms.

    Do the reasons, whatever they may be (there were some responses to it below; "jerk," "harassment," "creeps"), that women generally do not want men in their public restrooms still hold true for a person like Jenner?

    I hope that your response was due to me posing my question in an unclear way, and that this helps clarify it.

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    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by sj on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 04:50:31 PM EST
    I hope that your response was due to me posing my question in an unclear way, and that this helps clarify it.

    I said specifically what my response was "due to". To wit:
    Who do you trust to speak for all women?

    You have already ignored Zorba's response once. So apparently she isn't the "woman" spokesperson. Who works for you?

    It wasn't lack of "clarity" that made it a stupid a$$ question, it was that you put all women into a monolithic category.

    As if all women would feel the same.

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    Okey dokey. (2.00 / 1) (#101)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 04:58:02 PM EST
    Sarc, as you have surely (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by caseyOR on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 06:24:48 PM EST
    figured out by this point in the comment thread, not all women object to men in the restroom. I am sure that if you polled a wider segment of women you would find some that would object.

    As to transgendered people in general and Jenner in particular, there are women who would object to Jenner using the women's restroom while he is transitioning and some who would object even after Jenner had surgery and finished transitioning.

    There are also men who would object, some violently, if a transitioning Jenner tried to use the men's room.

    And there are people of both genders who fiercely object to even the thought of transgender people, regardless of which bathroom they use.

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    If everyone (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:21:53 PM EST
    is "doing their business" in a stall with a door, I don't care.

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    Has anyone actually asked? (none / 0) (#27)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:22:15 PM EST
    I did a (very brief) google search and came up with nothing.

    I am sure that some people out there care, most likely for religious reasons.

    I'm wondering if the longer-term solution isn't having a 1-person bathroom for people who care, and a larger unisex bathroom for people who don't.

    It would mean people who care would most likely have to wait longer for the bathroom, but everyone would still be accommodated.

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    F*ck that... (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:36:56 PM EST
    make the people who care about such trivial nonsense hold it in until they get home...or they can piss/poop behind the dumpster in the alley;)

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    "Restrooms are still almost exclusively (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 02:48:38 PM EST
    "Restrooms are still almost exclusively gendered," writes Suzanne LaBarre at Fast Company. "It's a form of exclusion that's written into state building code, presenting an obstacle for gender neutral bathroom advocates."

    I didn't read the whole thing, but I bet those with planning-type interests would find it more interesting! :-)

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    not surprising (none / 0) (#37)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:41:53 PM EST
    that it all comes down to old building codes.

    I can't imagine the people who wrote the first one in the 1887 would even fathom the world we live in today when they mandated female bathrooms in places with female employees.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they start changing them soon.  Honestly I could see this being the next culture war.  So there's that to look forward to...

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    If any adult permits their kid to go to a (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:47:05 PM EST
    public restroom unaccompanied in the present day, said person might expect assume everyone else in the restroom to be the same sex as the child.  

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    And that expectation would be (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 08:11:18 PM EST
    reassuring, exactly......how?
    I wouldn't be worried about it, myself, but there are same-sex predators of various types, also.  Just because you would assume that everyone in a restroom was the same gender as your child does not necessarily mean that your child would be "safe."
    How would you know, for instance, that a young girl in a woman's room did not attract the attention of a female nut-case who wanted a "little daughter" and tried to kidnap her?  And I'm sure you could imagine other scenarios with strictly "same-sex" restrooms.
    I mean, really, this whole restroom thing seems to me to be a tempest in a teapot.


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    "some women?" Jenner is a celebrity. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 06:43:58 PM EST
    Nobody's gonna throw Jenner out of a restroom, any restroom.  Not in this celebrity mad world.

    IMO.

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    Here's one for you (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:26:05 PM EST
    How many women would have a problem with her in their bathroom?

    Like I asked below, how are they supposed to determine who can and cannot use the restroom?

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    unlike (I believe) Jenner.

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    So, transgender in a woman's bathroom (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:41:42 PM EST
    is okay if you are 'into' men, but not if you are 'into' women? What about non-trans women 'into' women?

    Maybe we need 4 bathrooms . . .  or 6?

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    Did you read my comment above? (2.00 / 1) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:50:46 PM EST
    Assuming Jenner finishes his process, I'd imagine some women might not care in the least that he's in their restroom.

    I'd also imagine some other women might not be so comfortable, that they might consider him, well, a guy who had surgery and wears dresses.

    I'm taking no position on this (and it does kinda bug me that I have to say that, but, wev) I'm exploring the subject.

    Again, why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?

    Why do women prefer not to have men in their public restrooms?

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    well the link you posted (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CST on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 03:59:33 PM EST
    suggested it wasn't women who didn't want men in their bathrooms - it was men who didn't want to allow women to pee in their bathrooms.  So accommodations had to be made where there were female employees (I presume, based on the time period - 1887 - there was also some question as to whether employees in general were allowed to use the bathroom while at work).

    But most of these laws were put into place during or before the 1920s.  I'd be willing to bet public opinion on the matter has changed significantly since then.

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    Depends on the man ;) (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:04:15 PM EST
    But really, if you just look at the cat calling and other basic harassment women get from men, why the heck would we want them (the average joe blow) in the restroom?

    I don't think that is what the problem is with this certain set of people re: trans in the bathrooms . . .

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    harassment, does that mindset definitively disappear after he gets some cosmetic surgery and a change of clothes?

    Parent
    Did that mindset definitively exist in the first (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:46:07 PM EST
    place? If transgender man identifies as a woman, how many are catcalling a-holes before they transition? Think on it . . .  I'd say it's prob the least of our (women's) problems . . .

    And you do realize this is much deeper than "cosmetic surgery and a change of clothes", right?

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    A catcalling TV (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:47:44 PM EST
    the mind boggles

    Parent
    Good point. Although Jenner, for example, (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 05:00:31 PM EST
    is someone who I can envision could have been involved in such "macho"-type stuff...

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    I see a scientific study (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 05:09:53 PM EST
    on the horizon.

    Did you see the recent study re women sniffing the armpits of men who watched "happy" videos?

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    No, but I recall the jock's (none / 0) (#68)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 09:42:15 PM EST
    locker room, and the arm-pit, farting contests playing out.

    Now, in today's world, it seems, our "with-it" Liberal friends might shun you if you recoiled at the idea of trading arm-pit farts with real farts.
    Hmm, what would you call that kind of discrimination?

    I'm so backward.

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    Well, sure, if a guy (none / 0) (#43)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:08:14 PM EST
    is a jerk, I certainly wouldn't want to deal with him.
    But if there were several other women in the restroom as well, maybe the jerk wouldn't want to deal with my response.  ;-)

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    How many women have you asked (none / 0) (#40)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:00:35 PM EST
    about this?  Because personally, I wouldn't care.  There are stalls with doors, so what's the big deal?
    But I also haven't polled my female friends about it, either.

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    It really depends on the bathroom and people (none / 0) (#42)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:07:31 PM EST
    for me. Working in the garment district, you sometimes felt like you needed a shower just riding the elevator with the sleaze bags there . . . Happily shared bathrooms in some of the other places I hung in :)

    Parent
    I've been in some (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 08:57:57 PM EST
    really disgusting women's restrooms over the years, too, though.
    Sleaze bags come in both genders.

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    Personally, I would be uncomfortable (none / 0) (#86)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 12:35:57 PM EST
    sharing with men. I don't want to be sitting there with my pants down with only a stall half-wall separation from a strange man with his pants down. If the stalls were complete little rooms as they are in some restaurants, I would be fine with it.  Maybe I am too old to change.

    I have shared with a transitioned man to woman and had no problem with that. I never knew her before the transition, so she was a woman as far as I was concerned.

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    So, what about (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:48:55 PM EST
    Lesbians in a woman's restroom, or gay men in a men's restroom?
    Again, I wouldn't care about that, either.

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    I know I've peed next to (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 04:51:26 PM EST
    many a lesbian AND gay man both in men's and women's restrooms (and prob outside too!) :D

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    I think that (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 05:19:43 PM EST
    a whole lot of Americans continue to get freaked out by body issues, and who might see what in restrooms, or other situations.  We still have a huge Puritan streak in this country.
    In many of the European countries we have visited, they're just not all that concerned about it.  We have been to beaches in France where nudity is fine, or toplessness for women, or whatever, nobody cares.  If you want to wear or not wear a swimsuit on those beaches, it's okay.  
    We used a unisex restroom in Scotland at one place where there were urinals along the wall, and stalls with toilets.  Men used the urinal, women the stalls, and nobody freaked out.  No big deal.
    Many people in this country still get upset by women breast-feeding in public.  Even if they are discreet about it.
    Americans need to grow the f*ck up.


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    My only concern is with creeps :) (none / 0) (#57)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 05:36:22 PM EST
    Prob doesn't help that a Starbucks in a neighboring city just found cameras in the women's restroom for a second time.

    I agree we need to grow up on the points you made. I do have some of my own personal boundaries (I wouldn't go topless around the male models I was working with, being their boss and all ;) for example)

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    I hear what you're saying (none / 0) (#60)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 06:35:47 PM EST
    I've run into my share of creeps over the years.
    {Sigh}
    I don't know what we can do about this, except keep pushing back against the sexism, and for that matter the racism, the anti-LGBT stuff, and on and on.

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    This discussion reminds me of Dr. Seuss' (none / 0) (#105)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 06:20:08 PM EST
    story, The Sneetches.

    Reduced to its deserved absurdity, Men vs Women = Innie vs. Outie.

    Now, the Star-Belly Sneetches - Had bellies with stars.
    The Plain-Belly Sneetches - Had none upon thars.  
    Those stars weren't so big. They were really so small.
    You might think such a thing wouldn't matter at all.

     

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    LOL! Hooray for Dr. Seuss! (none / 0) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 07:27:19 PM EST
    Personally, I'm rather astonished that my initial post about an absurd proposal to bar transgendered people from California public restrooms would subsequently generate a six foot-plus thread of comments.

    ;-D

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    I don't like anyone (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by fishcamp on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 07:54:37 PM EST
    in my bathrooms.

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    Hear, hear! (none / 0) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 08:26:21 PM EST
    My wife and I have long maintained entirely separate bathroom arrangements, which we believe has effectively removed a potential and otherwise-logical focal point of marital contentiousness and discord. Personally, I don't like my bathroom counters cluttered, while the wife's is full of make-up jars, bottles of lotion, etc. So, to each his and her own.

    Conversely, the daughters shared their bathroom while growing up, and as they got older, the conflicts over and complaints about one another's habits and practices naturally increased. Over the years, the only thing upon they ever agreed was that either Mom or Dad was generally responsible for maintaining the room's general cleanliness.

    Aloha.

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    Obamacare (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 05:41:16 PM EST
    reduces health insurance premiums:

    The nonpartisan agency said the Affordable Care Act will cost less for two essential reasons. The first, and most significant, is that health insurance premiums are rising more slowly, and thus requires less of a government subsidy.

    In addition, slightly fewer people are now expected to sign up for Medicaid and for subsidized insurance under the law's marketplaces. That's because the agency now says that more people than anticipated already had health insurance before the law took effect, and fewer companies than anticipated are canceling coverage. All in all, three million fewer people are expected to sign up for Affordable Care Act provisions by 2025.

    Still, by 2025, the CBO estimates "the total number of people who will be uninsured ... is now expected to be smaller than previously projected," because more will have had health insurance to begin with.(Ed)



    equestriansfortrump.com (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 08:08:38 PM EST
    you can't make this stuff up

    http://tinyurl.com/ptlqljy

    lol. Ponyboy Apprentice (none / 0) (#69)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 11:03:48 PM EST
    coming soon to a network near you...

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    That Has to be a Joke (none / 0) (#85)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 12:34:56 PM EST
    He called Trump a "friend," but later qualified that Trump would likely have no idea who he was. (He was right.) But he's a big supporter of Trump's presidential ambitions.

    The 'He' is Robert  Kiger, a West Palm businessman and the person who set-up the super PAC.

    Can I start calling people who have no clue who I am, friends, or is that just in Trump bizarro world ?

    We called Trump, who had just spent the weekend angling for headlines in New Hampshire. He didn't know about the super PAC (or Kiger) but he certainly reveled in the news.

    "I'm greatly honored by it. We're having tremendous support," he told us. And in his estimation, if he gets in, the nomination is basically his for the taking.

    Too GD funny.

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    The Donald: Man of the (Polo playing) People (none / 0) (#104)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 05:51:02 PM EST
    Death by nitrogen (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 21, 2015 at 09:02:37 PM EST
    this was news to me

    http://tinyurl.com/lj39qfh

    Maybe it's been discussed here and I missed it

    The Trouble with Oklahoma's New Execution Technique
    A more humane way to die? The history of American executions says don't bet on it.
    By AUSTIN SARAT April 20, 2015
    On Friday, Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed a law giving the state a new tool to use in executions: a chamber filled with nitrogen gas. If lethal injection--Oklahoma's preferred execution method--is declared unconstitutional or becomes unavailable due to a drug shortage, the law would authorize use of a gas chamber that executes inmates by depleting the oxygen supply in their blood.


    Rachel (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 10:47:19 AM EST
    did a great segment on this last night.  It may not be a chamber.  Possibly a mask.  Great interview with a person pointing out the possible problems.

    Worth seeing.

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    The Good News... (none / 0) (#87)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 12:54:41 PM EST
    ...if they run out they can run down to Costco and get their tires, ops I mean their death machine filled up with nitrogen.

    But hey if the gas chamber was good enough for the Nazi's it's good enough for Oklahoma.  They used CO2, which in reality is probably more humane than nitrogen in that you fall asleep before you suffocate.

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    California had the gas chamber (none / 0) (#88)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 01:17:57 PM EST
    And the electric chair was a by-product of Edison's campaign against AC current to make it seem more dangerous than his own DC current was to the general public.

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    Is DonkeyHotey (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 08:17:18 AM EST
    the greatest characterist ever?  

    http://thumbsnap.com/9gvTbec5

    http://tinyurl.com/n2kperv

    I'm leanin yes.

    I'm a long time fan of (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Apr 22, 2015 at 10:13:13 AM EST