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Melania Trump Channels Michelle Obama

The speeches speak for themselves:

Melania told Matt Lauer she wrote the speech herself, with as little help as possible.

Republicans say it was no big deal. Really? It was when Joe Biden did it: [More...]

Joe Biden:

Joe Biden: The vice president was forced to withdraw from the 1988 presidential race over allegations of plagiarism. Many parts of Biden’s speeches on the trail, as Maureen Dowd of the New York Times reported, were lifted from the unsuccessful run of British politician Neil Kinnock of the Labor Party against Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Revelations followed that Biden took parts of his speeches from Robert Kennedy, JFK and Hubert Humphrey.

Former Republican contender Ben Carson got off scott-free:

BuzzFeed found that Carson lifted from other works without up-front attribution in his 2012 book "America the Beautiful": In one instance, Carson cites wholesale from an old website that has been online since at least 2002, Socialismsucks.net.

In another example, he plagiarizes from two authors whose works he mentions in passing at earlier points in the book: Cleon Skousen, a conservative historian who died in 2006, and Bill Federer, another conservative historian, who Carson thanks in the acknowledgements for helping get his book published.

Nor is Donald free of such accusations. But in his alternate universe, he doesn't recognize that's what not okay for others is not okay for him.

On the campaign trail, Trump once touted his record of not plagiarizing material. Last summer, when Vice President Joe Biden was considering a presidential bid, Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt that he liked his chances against the veteran Democrat.

"I think I'd match up great," Trump said. "I'm a job producer. I've had a great record. I haven't been involved in plagiarism. I think I would match up very well against him."

In the grand scheme of things, Melania's oops may be a grain of sand. There are many other reasons Americans won't be impressed by her, not the least of which is that who could possibly identify with her or relate to her? Her life bears no resemblance to the life of other American women.

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    Melania's "oops," aside from ... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 12:46:47 PM EST
    ... becoming an ill-timed and self-inflicted media controversy that steps all over Donald Trump's convention message, also underscores two potentially deadly memes about the Trump campaign: (1) The candidate and his team are serial prefabricators; and (2) They are wholly incapable of generating an original thought.

    So, yes, the plagiarism should matter.

    More telling is that the family (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:03:41 PM EST
    is apparently resisting professional handling and assistance. Assuming, as it seems, that Melania put her little speech together herself.
       I do like "prefabricators" (a confusion and conflation of "prevaricators" with "fabrications"?). It applies, I guess, to a builder of structures (prefab housing?) that are not as elegant as they try to seem.

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    I'd call that a lonely bright spot... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:07:51 PM EST
    in this whole Trump show...the lack of professional handling and advising that has led to so many American being disgusted by politics and politicians, who are so handled and polished they cease to appear human.

    It's just so unfortunate that the candidate that broke that mold had to be this f*cking guy, stoking the flames of fear and hate off the cuff.  But I got no problem with off the cuff, I like it.  

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    Off the cuff is good (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:16:31 PM EST
    as long as the speaker is at least reasonably intelligent, reasonably well informed, and trying to be honest. As I've written on the blog before, I've seen HRC speak off the cuff (from minimal notes), and she is capable to doing it brilliantly.

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    I don't doubt it... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:29:07 PM EST
    which begs the question, why doesn't she do it more often?  

    Gimme the bizarro version of Trump from the left who is as honest as Trump is dishonest, who is intellectually curious as Trump is anti-intellectual, and as informed as Trump is uninformed and god damnit I might fall in love.

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    Clinton does do so often (5.00 / 8) (#18)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:52:45 PM EST
    - and indeed, more often than she makes speeches at massive rallies, that your candidate likes -- but you probably are not paying attention to her many small-group listening sessions, interviews, etc.

    Parent
    But, but, but ... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Nemi on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 07:29:43 AM EST
    she's not beautiful like, say, Melania Trump. So there's that ...

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    I think it is especially rich that the (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:22:59 PM EST
    cribbing is from Michelle Obama, who has been the subject of so much mean-sprited, to put the best face on it, criticism from the right.

    The Trumps have to crib words about hard work from the Obamas. It could not be more perfect.

    Melania's (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:25:33 PM EST
    cribbing is the least problem the GOP has from last night. The entire convention could be something out of a horror movie.

    Yes, the least problem. (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:10:09 PM EST
    But, the one that caught the news cycle--and not in a good way.  The Democrats should run with the plagiarism as a homage to the Obama's.  Nothing could do more harm to Trump, other than hug by the president.

    The rest of this unconventional Convention, including tidbits such as Ben Carson's opining that transgenders are the "height of absurdity," Scott Baio's particularly crude (also starts with a "c") name calling of Mrs. Clinton, and the anti-semetic responses to former Hawaii Governor, Laura Lingle, during her speech, are almost overlooked by the media.  Mrs. Trump's speech thievery, at least,  showed that "something is going on" with the Trump's.  

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    I could not help (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 01:29:50 PM EST
    thinking when Melania said Donald's kids were raised right, that they certainly had every resource given to them, and Donald may not have had much to do with the raising of his own kids.

    She said in her speech that when she first arrived in New York she saw hardship.  Huh?  She suffered? She saw others suffering?

    No, she was a super model in New York and after two years of getting here, she had a billionaire to support her.

    She said as First Lady she would devote herself to kids and women.  In what way, she did no say.   If she had ever helped anyone else, she did not say.

    Most important, she gave no example of Donald's kindness.  Not one example.  Because Donald is not a kind person.

    What a farce.

    Believe it or (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:09:07 PM EST
    not the GOP is quoting Sparkle Pony of My Little Pony as a defense of Melania.

    Wow (none / 0) (#10)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:04:35 PM EST
    Just saw that.  Then again,  a couple of conservatives here have tried a variant of that defense ("it's just common words" ... put together exactly the same way to form the same sentences ... and paragraphs).

    It just hurts.

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    Mrs. Trump's plagiarism (none / 0) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:19:57 PM EST
    defense will be good practice for these wingers when they are tasked with jotting down and dutifully regurgitating the FOX/Limbaugh talking points to defend Donald Trump's acceptance speech.  Now in draft form: "Four Score and Seven Years Ago, we made the mistake of admitting immigrants.  We need a war on the poverty-striken, and remember the Alamo."  Believe me.

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    Josh at TPM (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:24:41 PM EST
    says the best explanation is that Melania did it.

    Poor Josh, he just seems so bewildered that reason, logic, facts and reality are no help in understanding Trump.

    More important than copying (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:17:22 PM EST
    ... Michele Obama's speech, has anyone talked to Rick Astley, yet?

    That cracked me up (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:55:17 PM EST
    as it does that most media apparently are not aware of rickrolling.

    Parent
    Fortunately, twitterers (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:14:58 PM EST
    clarified this last night!

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    Most important is the multiplying factor (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:02:09 PM EST
    as in addition to plagiarism, there is lying on someone's part, since she claims that she wrote the speech herself, while the campaign claims otherwise.

    Then again, she is not sinking herself as many student plagiarists do, by attempting to blame the plagiarism on others . . . because it's also academic misconduct to put your name on the work of others.

    Maybe she learned that before becoming a college dropout -- despite, for more dishonesty revealed in vetting at last, her claim as well as that of the Trump campaign and the RNC website that she earned a college degree.  

    Frankly, when a student multiplies the factors this way -- plagiarism, lying, and even fraud -- it's common to consider counseling.  

    (I do pity her.  I suspect that she's just doing as she is told, hateful as she finds politics.  But that's a reason, not an excuse, for an adult.)

    MSNBC reports fingers are being pointed (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:06:11 PM EST
    Short fingers.

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    I am not convinced that she lied (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:10:14 PM EST
    about her lack of a college degree. She may have told the website designer that she "attended" the university, and the writer/designer misunderstood her meaning and turned it into "earned a degree at." And then she never even read her own website final copy or the official bios that were apparently based on it. I'm entirely open to that possible scenario.  

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    That's a plausible explanation (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:43:26 PM EST
    Although,  if that was the case,  they should issue a statement explaining the error and correcting it.   I think it's more likely that they'll say nothing and hope the media ignores it until it goes away.   Maybe they'll quietly correct her website bio.  So far, they're giving no response.

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    Peter, this has been reported by media (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:56:13 PM EST
    repeatedly, it turns out, but remains incorrect on the campaign website -- which the RNC must have copied (note: "common word" for plagiarized).

    So, even if she was misunderstood -- which I doubt, based on other reports -- that the statement is wrong has been clear and ought to have been corrected.

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    Do people graduate from (3.00 / 1) (#33)
    by fishcamp on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:21:04 PM EST
    a junior college?  They used to be two year programs, but I'm not sure how it works now.  Maybe she received that type of degree,  I'm far from the college scene, except my rooting for the Oregon fighting ducks.,

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    Mrs. Trump (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 06:57:39 PM EST
    dropped out.  It is, in my view, a serious matter to purport to have a "degree in architecture and design" when none has been awarded.  This is the Trump family, it is considered, no doubt, a strategic lie. And, after being called on it, it should be corrected. We are waiting, and waiting...I don't get the unearned love for Mrs. Trump.

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    IMO (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:03:33 PM EST
    It's the "doe eyed captive" thing.  Pu-leeze

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    Or, (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:11:03 PM EST
    Wow (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:15:23 PM EST
    I can see why the potential First Lady tweeting a crotch selfie, and the selfie itself (so to speak) could be considered news.

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    Not convinced that (none / 0) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:27:18 PM EST
    the falsehood is a misunderstanding on the part of the writer/designer.  Jason Horowitz (NYT July 19,2016) reports that Mrs. Trump dropped out of architecture school to concentrate on her modeling career but points out that she still claims on her website bio to have graduated.

    Mrs. Trump's website
    notes that at age 18 she signed with a modeling group in Milan......as to her earned degree:  "after obtaining a degree in design and architecture at University in Slovenia."

    Mrs. Trump's degree in architecture has been bandied about for a while. It seems a stretch that she did not bother to read her own website or bio. Possible, but I doubt it. Will it be corrected and disavowed.  Sure.

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    Still (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:37:34 PM EST
    Have you ever seen the crushing poverty that models endure Milan?  Heartbreaking.  

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    Yes, the University (none / 0) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:45:11 PM EST
    degree, as absent as it is,  must be thought to be stature bolstering, curbing any wagging tongues about modeling.

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    At least (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:47:23 PM EST
    She was smart enough to not say it was from Trump University

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    On Twitter (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Nemi on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 08:02:43 AM EST
    Joy Ann Reid gave some background informations about the Trump family dynamics:

    1/ Journey back with me to this past weekend, when Melania Trump's unprecedented absense from the Pence family intro was explained this way:

    2/ 'Melania wasn't at the speech bc she was at a resort in New Jersey working on her convention speech...' abcnews.go.com/Politics/melan...

    3/ Now, @JoeNBC is saying campaign sources are saying the real reason Melania was absent was she was upset at Trump's adult children...

    4/ ...for pressuring Trump to choose Pence against his own judgment. So that's why she and her son stayed away. pic.twitter.com/Ynfd8KSYO8

    5/ Now, this morning, backing up @costareports on midnight @hardball, Paul Manafort is apparently throwing Melania under the bus.

    6/ Now, joirney back to last November, to this bit of shade from Trump wife 1 Ivana (mother of his grown children) re Trump wife 3 Melania..

    7/ The shade: pic.twitter.com/CPQoTOdFdn

    8/ Full article: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3...

    9/ Soooo are we starting to see a current wife vs kids from the former wife dynamic added to the chaos of the Trump campaign?

    10/ Enquiring minds want to know... pic.twitter.com/aOq1rIYW9Q



    We have a winner (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 12:58:05 PM EST
    Trump Org staffer admits writing the speech, after Melania told her about admiring Michelle and quoting her speech over the phone.

    You have to read the letter. Love the closing, with the obligatory paragraph about how great Trump is.

    I'm sure the GOP will be madder about (5.00 / 4) (#58)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 12:59:29 PM EST
    the admiration of Michelle than the plagiarism.

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    and it only took (none / 0) (#59)
    by ding7777 on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 03:07:35 PM EST
    two days for for the Trump campaign to remember that Meredith McIver was ghosting Melania Trump most important speech

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    But, but... Melania said on the TODAY Show (none / 0) (#60)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 03:25:50 PM EST
    that she wrote the speech largely on her own, telling host Matt Lauer that: "I read once over it, and that's all. Because I wrote it...with as little help as possible."

    Now, McIver says that she wrote down the quotes Melania read to her from Michelle's speech and included it in the draft without checking. But, didn't Melania realize the quotes were in there when she read the draft?

    So is the Trump campaign now saying that Melania is a liar but not an intentional plagiarizer?

    What happened to Twilight Sparkle? That poor little pony!

    I am sooo confused :-)!

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    Maybe 'as little help as possible' (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 05:15:54 PM EST
    is a whole lot of help.

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    But the dress! (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 05:28:27 PM EST
    That dress was awsum

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    You'd look awesome, too, Howdy (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 08:54:54 PM EST
    if you spent over $2000 for one dress.

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    peter (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 10:04:07 PM EST
    i would look awsum in that dress.  awsum being a totally relative concept.

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    Pics, please. (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 10:07:11 PM EST
    And, let me be the judge.

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    No, not everyone (none / 0) (#72)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 05:27:34 AM EST
    Hillary Clinton's New York primary victory speech in April focused on topics including income inequality, job creation and helping people secure their retirement. It was a clear attempt to position herself as an everywoman.

    But an everywoman she is not -- she gave the speech in a $12,495 Giorgio Armani tweed jacket

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    Facts just aren't your strength, are they? (none / 0) (#73)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:36:32 AM EST
    Did someone say "everyone"? (none / 0) (#74)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:43:05 AM EST
    OTOH -  Pretty sure when someone looks for a trophy wife that's decades younger,  it's usually a prerequisite.  Certainly for your candidate it is:

    "You know, it really doesn`t matter what (the media) write as long as you`ve got a young and beautiful piece of a$$." - Donald Trump

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    Y'know, TB, I just made a lighthearted (none / 0) (#75)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:54:50 AM EST
    joking comment, directed in a friendly personal way to Cap'n Howdy. It is not necessary to respond to every comment on this left-leaning blog with a schoolyard retort of "Oh, Yeah? Well, so's your mother."

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    Trying to feel sorry for Melania (none / 0) (#8)
    by smott on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:43:19 PM EST
    She's clearly not cut out for this. (Ivana's remarks were illuminating : "She can't talk, can't give a speech, doesn't want to be involved")

    But once she got on TV and said she wrote it, well.....


    If you ever (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 02:55:35 PM EST
    look at her face when Trump is campaigning she looks like the most miserable person on the face of the earth. She really does not want to do this it seems.

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    She's married to Donald Trump. (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 03:18:05 PM EST
    It probably seemed like a good idea at the time.  Like stealing that speech

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    I do feel sorry for her, or as sorry as I (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 04:41:35 PM EST
    can feel for someone that does not have to work her fingers to the bone to support her son. She just wants to have her nice luxurious life and raise her kid. Even women who signed up for a political life at marriage do not always like it.

    Maybe she would even be happy with 10% of the luxury...who knows, we may find out when the Potemkin Village that is the Trump fortune is exposed as a fraud.

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    OMG. Now, they're doubling down on stupid! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:28:12 PM EST
    Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort accuses Hillary Clinton of manufacturing this self-inflicted GOP crisis:

    "It's just another example, as far as we're concerned, that when Hillary Clinton is threatened by a female, the first thing she does is try to destroy the person."

    Meanwhile, RNC communications chair Sean Spicer goes on MSNBC and quotes a Sparkle Pony and a pop singer in defense of Melania Trump -- seriously.

    These guys are so fckd up, they prefer to inhabit their own parallel universe on live TV. They're not qualified to run a PTA meeting. I'm not watching any more today. I don't find it funny at all, and I'm glad my grandfather isn't alive to see this white-wing clusterfck unfold in real time. It would break his heart.

    :-(

    Pierce's (none / 0) (#28)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 05:34:51 PM EST
    prion disease theory is the most plausible explanation. They are eating the monkey brains live, on the electric TV machine.

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    it's not melania's fault (none / 0) (#38)
    by linea on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 07:53:11 PM EST
    seems to me she was the victim of speach writers doing copy-edit.  i don't see how that's her fault.  not like ms obama actually wrote the speach she read but yeah they should fire the lazy editor that added those bits.

    She said she wrote the speech (none / 0) (#39)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:12:58 PM EST
    with as little he;p as possible. So either she didn't write it, or she plagiarized.

    She's not a profession politician or speech writer, so as I said before I can chalk it up to a rookie mistake for her - but someone on the campaign ought to have been checking her work. But there is no campaign organization to do anything like that.

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    my feelings (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by linea on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:24:17 PM EST
    im sure she feels she wrote the speach because she feels she wrote the he important parts; the parts where she talks about her husband. im sure there was copy-edits. english is her secind language for heaven sake. im sure the speech wtiters tossed in some bits that she was fine with but which turned out to be a content a lazy oaf copied from a previous speach. that's how i feel. if anything, i would be more upset that donald isnt expressing his outrage and quickly firing the speach writer responsible for assisting her.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:37:50 PM EST
    the speechwriter apparently is saying that Melania took the speech and changed the final draft he handed to her. But who the heck really knows? We've heard about five renditions of what went on today with that speech the latest it seems from the speechwriter. Now though I do tend to believe the speechwriter because any half decent speechwriter would know to check for plagiarism.

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    Gee, aren't (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:52:50 PM EST
    Republicans all about individual responsibility?  All the blame shifting reminds me of Groucho Marx's defense of a beautiful killer--ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you, are these the legs of a murderess.

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    dont we all (none / 0) (#48)
    by linea on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:47:12 PM EST
    usually give a lot of leeway to family members? i didnt see her give the speach but i heard she did well and the reports are that she wore a posh white dress.

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    Well then, (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 10:04:49 AM EST
    the posh white dress makes all the difference. I always found Clara Petacci to be quite stylish as well.

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    i don't see the connection (none / 0) (#67)
    by linea on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 09:52:40 PM EST
    between melania and a woman who was (wrongly) murdered by italian partisans at the end of ww2.

    pretty dress though. interesting designer. read a few articles about her.

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    See NYT for sources of the (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35:19 PM EST
    re-write.

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    For me, linea, the point is ... (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by christinep on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 07:06:07 PM EST
    The responsible person ultimately is the person at the top ... namely, Trump.  At this point, what we have seen here is that Trump & his campaign demonstrated an inability to handle competently the early mishaps that confront every campaign (see, e.g., the sloppy VP process and announcement.)  In many ways, how Trump actually manages in these early situations tells us a lot about whether, in a management sense, he has the ability to deal with bigger issues.

    And, it goes without saying, that letting his wife dangle while he and staff tried a series of "explanations" tells us something else as well.

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    You mean Milli Vanilli's out of a job again? (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:32 PM EST
    ;-D

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    No that wasn't Melania talking (none / 0) (#50)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 10:28:12 PM EST
    she was only lip syncing. it was Milli Vanilli doing the speech on tape.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#52)
    by Nemi on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 07:24:45 AM EST
    the case seems to be exactly the opposite:

    The speechwriters, Matthew Scully and John McConnell, sent Ms. Trump a draft last month, eager for her approval.

    Weeks went by. They heard nothing.

    Inside Trump Tower, it turned out, Ms. Trump had decided she was uncomfortable with the text, and began tearing it apart, leaving a small fraction of the original.

    Her quiet plan to wrest the speech away and make it her own set in motion the most embarrassing moment of the convention: word-for-word repetition of phrases and borrowed themes from Michelle Obama's speech at the Democratic convention eight years ago.



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    Yuck, well I did not know about that (none / 0) (#44)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 08:58:55 PM EST
    I'm not defending all of her life choices!

    never heard of this (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by linea on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:40:55 PM EST
    googled it. seems fine to me. i assume they pulled the beach pic cuz the faux-outrage.  one would need to be one serious repressive prude to see that as anything but innocous. you guys are really going out of your way on this. rediculous.

    "omg!! a women wearing her bathing suit on the beach; so disgusting!" - goofs

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    Ha (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:11:36 PM EST
    Yuk
    Was not my reaction.  And I am not judging her.   If I'm am judging it's the double standard.  If anything.  Actually I think it's very.........French.

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    OK, I get it. And of course we know the answer (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 19, 2016 at 09:19:59 PM EST
    My righty friends Facebook blew up when Michelle was sweating too much at an outdoor sporting thing with kids. 'How trashy and un ladylike. Is this the level of class we have in the White House?' Emphasis on White. I think I hid a few people  that day.  OK, one was my sister in law.

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    Yes, and Michelle Obama, (none / 0) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 09:58:30 AM EST
    real graduate of Princeton/Harvard Law, shows her arms.   She has been gracious, too, in the criticisms leveled at her.  

    Then we have Melania Trump, the fake graduate in architecture and design from Slovenia U.  When Julia Ioffe wrote about Trump dropping out of college after a year in an article in GQ, the author received antisemetic messages.  Melania's response was that Ms. Ioffe provoked the attacks.

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    silly pointless attacks (none / 0) (#68)
    by linea on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 09:59:51 PM EST
    i know lots of people who exagerate their education. it's usually because they are embaressed or don't feel adequate. i don't fault anybody for that. im not even sure what your claimed source for this is. is it like the book jacket identifying obama as kenyan?

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    thats an interesting (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 10:05:47 PM EST
    take on the subject.   not widely shared fortunately.  but interesting.

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    Sorry to learn that (none / 0) (#76)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 21, 2016 at 09:58:58 AM EST
    you "know lots of people who exagerate (sic) their education,"  Of course, it is lying or, maybe, fraud.  There may be consequences to puffing up your resume.

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    All this (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 05:00:46 PM EST
    does is make me glad Biden is not the nominee or we would have competing screaming about this issue.

    Love this tweet (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 at 05:40:55 PM EST

    Melania could have claimed she*IS* Michelle Obama and that still would have not have been the weirdest thing of the night