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The Big Bad Bill Passes Senate

Only in Trump’s alternate reality version of America would Congress pass a bill where money is taken from the poor to pay the taxes of the rich.

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    I visited my sister today (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 03:27:56 PM EST
    Her husband and others in her life have been hard core Trump supporters.

    I had the first real conversation with my BIL that I've had since Trump was elected literally minutes after this passed.  He was watching the coverage.

    They understand what this bill means and they are in shock.  Angry and I would say confused,  
    They know local hospitals and nursing homes will close. They know people who will probably get kicked out to the street.

    I was shocked how much they knew about this bill and what it means.  
    If there is another election Republicans are screwed.

    A good sign (none / 0) (#2)
    by jmacWA on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 03:48:12 PM EST
    IF it holds among a majority of Trump voters.

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    Don't need the (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 04:02:17 PM EST
    majority of maga. Just 25% of them would be devastating to the GOP.

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    My brother on law (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 04:12:33 PM EST
    is not a person who is always on top of the news.  At all.  If he knows about this, and cares about this, lots of people do.

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    I think (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 05:40:19 PM EST
    that's interesting. There are a lot of other bad things maga doesn't know like the fact that Georgia got electric battery plants that likely now will lay off workers and the electric car plants will be hurting. The country has moved on past coal and oil but Trump thinks he can make it come back with this bill. He literally killed the biggest market for coal with his trade war with China.

    Also our power bills will be going up 30% and with shortages due to AI. Crazy Elon seems to have lost his hold over the GOP. I guess they only liked it when he was destroying things.

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    It felt like an important moment (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 05:49:51 PM EST
    After we had been talking about the effects and listening to speaker after speaker explain exactly what it means who would be effected Trump came on and just lied. Just lied.  It's only waste fraud and abuse etc.

    I sized that moment to point out he has been lying for years and people just believe it.  Probably when their food stamps and health care disappear they might not believe him anymore. They all agreed.  My sister BIL and another in the process of lawn care.

    It was truly weird.  It was not at all what I was expecting.

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    My husband's (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 07:30:42 PM EST
    cousin is a big Trumper and he's gay and his partner manages a nursing home. I guess when his partner loses his job or the nursing home closes maybe he will quit the cult.

    I NEVER want to hear another whine about the national debt from a conservative ever after all this.

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    I hate to admit I agree with Elmo (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 04:43:29 PM EST
    He tweeted out something saying that this bill gives handouts to industries of the past while damaging industries of the future. I'm with him on this.

    While I'm leery of AI and believe crypto is a big scam, I am a huge proponent of alternative and green energy.

    I remember standing on the beach in San Diego many years ago (at least 40) and looking in awe at the waves rolling in and thinking how great it would be if we could harness that energy.

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    One of the things (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 08:09:54 AM EST
    In this bill, assuming it survived, is a prohibition to states to pass any laws around AI.

    I might be coming around to your view about the election.

    Not that it won't happen but that Trump will definitely try to stop it.  There seems no other explanation for passing this politically suicidal bill except you don't plan to have an election.

    Here's the thing tho, Trump doesn't have much control over state elections for congress.
    It's not like he can have JD and little Mike screw things up in the house, as he wanted Pence to do the last time he got hammered.

    There are things he can do but I think in the end it will only make him more hated and increase turnout against him.

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    A BTW (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 08:12:21 AM EST
    losing the house, which is almost assured at this point, will stop him from playing games in 28

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    The AI (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 09:31:08 AM EST
    portion of the bill was stripped out in the senate. So that may be the only good thing that happened.

    People went to Jonestown believing it was going to be a utopia and drank the kool aid. The GOP has decided to drink the polonium tea their leader is feeding them.

    As far as elections yes, I am sure he will try something like sending troops into black neighborhoods claiming they are going to "cheat" in the election. My hope is that this type of thing ends the both sides are the same whine and spurs people to get off their duffs and vote. Sometimes telling people they can't do something makes them more determined to do it. The house can  flip based on CA and NY alone and those reps voted for the bill I think.

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    Now you're getting it. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 10:22:02 AM EST
    There is no political suicide if there so election.

    I get what you are saying about elections and the states. But there are troops in LA. What's to stop them from deploying them everywhere? Especially in the cities. Though, this bill could have more impact in rural areas. But those people have been voting against their interests for years. Read What's the Matter With Kansas by Thomas Frank.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 03:14:30 PM EST
    then I guess we need to find a bunker to hide out then since Trump is going to rule until he dies. And even him dying won't stop it because JD Vance will be anointed after that.

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    Voting against them since (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 10:36:37 AM EST
    at least Reagan.

    But they did produce a wave election in 18 as a result of spending 2 years trying to repeal the ACA.
    This is even more in-your-face.

    Still there is this

    Justice Dept. Explores Using Criminal Charges Against Election Officials
    Such a path could drastically raise the stakes for federal investigations of state or county officials, bringing the department and the threat of criminalization into the election system.

    Apart from anything else the economy could really be in the toilet by next year

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    They (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 03:18:05 PM EST
    are issuing threats trying to keep people from voting and certifying election results they do not like. This again is an after the election thing. We all just need to be prepared. I am sure red states will fall in line largely but states like mine where the state government is blue is going to be harder for them to do this crap.

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    This (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 11:14:21 AM EST

    Louisiana Girds for Megabill Fallout
    July 3, 2025 at 7:39 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 160 Comments

    Politico: "Louisiana is poorer, sicker and hungrier than most states, and the deep cuts to Medicaid have a growing number of Republicans in Louisiana worried that Congress and the White House are going too far. They are anxious that rural hospitals whose finances are highly dependent on federal Medicaid funds would face crippling revenue losses and be forced to shut down, depriving all residents of accessible health care."

    "The blowback over Medicaid represents the most significant crack between GOP leaders in Washington and in the states so far in this administration, according to interviews with nearly two dozen Louisiana state leaders



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    It's all a matter of priorities. (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 09:56:08 PM EST
    Politico: "Louisiana is poorer, sicker and hungrier than most states, ..."

    ... but somehow the state can afford to pay LSU football coach Brian Kelly a base annual salary of $9 million, which makes him the highest paid public employee in Louisiana.

    It's like Texas, where it's heartbreaking to watch what happened along the Guadalupe River, but infuriating to realize that voters will likely re-elect the same a$$hats who've kneecapped that state's emergency response capacity.

    Doesn't matter if it's flash flooding, mass shootings, or a deadly mid-winter power grid failure that kills hundreds. Gov. Abbott & Co. will not be held accountable for conscious decisions that rendered avoidable tragedies otherwise. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    >:-(

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    KOS (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 12:14:28 PM EST
    A hospital in rural Nebraska announced on Wednesday that it will shut its doors after more than 30 years, explicitly citing the expected cuts to Medicaid that Congress is set to pass in Trump's bill.

    "Unfortunately, the current financial environment, driven by anticipated federal budget cuts to Medicaid, has made it impossible for us to continue operating all of our services, many of which have faced significant financial challenges for years," Troy Bruntz, the CEO of Community Hospital in McCook, Nebraska, said in a statement to a local news outlet.

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    I understand (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 03:20:57 PM EST
    Mike Johnson's district has 40% of the district on Medicaid. Hopefully someone will run against him and make this point over and over. The LA Hosptial association begged him not to pass this bill. It is making the news there but we shall see if it changes the electoral calculus.

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    I believe they did (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 03:23:29 PM EST
    Did the Republicans Just Blow Up the Trump Coalition?
    July 3, 2025 at 3:44 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 145 Comments

    Dan Pfeiffer: "This is the least popular piece of major legislation passed since the advent of polling nearly a century ago. But how does this vote impact Republican chances in the midterms? It certainly doesn't help! It's impossible to imagine that passing a total piece of shit bill that no one wants (and even most Republicans are ambivalent about) won't hurt them. Earlier this week, I speculated that it could cost them the Senate despite a very pro-Republican map."

    "However, this bill could be a much bigger deal than just one election. It has the potential to break Trump's coalition and reshape the electorate to benefit Democrats for several elections to come."

    "The Big Ugly Bill could be a vote that Republicans come to regret for a generation

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    Not a big (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 05:04:34 PM EST
    fan of Pfieffer but I hope he is right.

    One thing that his history has shown is doing anything with healthcare will lead to a loss the next election cycle. See 1994, 2010 & 2018. I don't think it will be any different this time and even worse because except for 2018 the legislation was an attempt to make things better and this just makes things worse for a lot of people.

    Even beside the Medicare cuts are the other just awful stuff in the bill.

    Carville was talking about this and said we need to remind voters daily how bad this bill is. I agree and the stupid part is they did this over a year before an election so there will literally be a lot of time to drum this into heads. I think my state of NC should send out notices in summer of 2026 telling Medicaid recipients they may be losing their healthcare.

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    I would expect "notices" (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 05:21:58 PM EST
    Blue States for sure.  Maybe even some red ones.

    And I think it's will pierce the info bubbles and silos.  People are going to be talking about it.

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    After (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 05:59:55 PM EST
    thinking about it, all states will have to send out notices months in advance unless they want a bunch of people flooding the state health department office 1/27 asking where the heck their health insurance went.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 09:22:35 AM EST
    I could see red state governor's letting people find out for themselves.  The hard way.

    There wouldn't be any federal interference with that plan.

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    10% (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 04:10:35 PM EST
    Would be enough

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    50% (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 03:51:17 PM EST
    of Medicaid recipients are MAGA.  Just saw that.

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    Do you know (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 05:34:47 PM EST
    if any of your other maga family members are on the same page?

    I really haven't asked mine because I am afraid steam will come out of my ears if they start the cult BS.

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    I walked in (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 05:41:20 PM EST
    he was watching the coverage.  On ABC.  

    shrug

    The last time I was there he was watching MEWSMAX.

    I couldn't say how this happened.  And no.  I've spoken to no one else.  


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    Probably (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 07:26:37 PM EST
    getting out of the news bubble they were in got some facts injected.

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    "You should never (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 03:54:20 PM EST
    say bad things about the dead, you should only say good...  Jimmy Swaggart is dead.  Good."

    Huzzah! (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 04:44:47 PM EST
    Great summation (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 01, 2025 at 07:24:28 PM EST
    of what the GOP is doing by Rick Wilson:
    Like Jim Jones passing out grape-flavored cyanide in the jungle, Trump is demanding loyalty unto political death...and once again, the red-hatted true believers (and those who play them in Congress) are lining up for their final gulp.

    Except instead of dying in a jungle compound, they're about to die politically in swing districts and suburbs, while trying to explain why they gutted Medicaid to protect tax breaks for billionaires. Before the poison closes their eyes, the pain will show up in polls, town hall meetings, and the tragic deaths of the very people they were elected to represent.



    Madame Pele is showing off this week. (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 05:09:34 AM EST
    The power of the natural world at its most awesome:

    Halema'uma'u, Kilauea
    Hawaii Volcanoes National Park
    Island of Hawaii
    5:45am HST, Sunday, June 29, 2025

    This eruption is taking place some 32 miles from our house in Hilo. For some perspective and scale, that lava fountain in the distance was estimated by park volcanologists to have been about 1,100 feet tall.

    Even after 37 years here, Hawaii can still amaze me.

    We visited Volcanoes National Park (none / 0) (#16)
    by Coral on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 09:43:44 AM EST
    during the pandemic, when Hawaii was one of the only relatively safe places to go. It was sensational. It was erupting then, though not as spectacularly as in this photo.

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    Facing (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 02:55:21 PM EST
    The truly dumb thing about ... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 05:50:29 PM EST
    ... our Democratic establishmentarians' hyperbolic reaction to Zohran Mamdani's victory over former Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City's Democratic primary is that so many of them insist upon characterizing it an "upset." That may be so, but only in the sense that our party's elite and the political legacy media they cultivate absolutely failed to read the tea leaves and see it coming.

    Because as the recently posted unofficial final results show us, this race ended up not being very close at all. And if we're at all honest with ourselves, it probably never was. In scientific terminology, this particular phenomenon is called an "a$$-kicking":

    MAMDANI, Zohran   545,344   56%
    CUOMO, Andrew      428,530   44%

     In obvious retrospect, Andrew Cuomo was damaged goods. His foray into resurrection politics was doomed from the start. Initial public support for his candidacy was terribly soft and of the "Oh, c'mon! Do we really have to?" variety, with the obvious follow-up question being "Can't we find somebody else?" Cuomo's only chance at victory was the progressive opposition remaining splintered - and that clearly didn't happen.

    The former governor's main advantage in this race was his name recognition, which in this case cut both ways and actually worked against him as the campaign progressed, once the various factions of the political left made common cause and began to consolidate and coalesce around a viable mayoral candidate whose last name wasn't Cuomo.

    And as an aside, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's bemused by the mayoral candidate who ran in the Democratic primary under the name "Paperboy Love Prince." My inner anarchist secretly wishes that the progressives had rallied around him.
    ;-)

    Aloha.

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    SO SAD (none / 0) (#19)
    by jmacWA on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 03:37:40 PM EST
    But SO TRUE.  We really need to get better Democratic Representation.  Today's post from Earl Stevens really nails it IMO.

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    Thom Hartmann has a lot to say about... (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 03:25:32 PM EST
    Alligator Alcatraz.

    Alligator Alcatraz Isn't Just a Prison. It's a Mirror. And It's Asking Us: Who Are We, Really?

    What's being built in the Florida Everglades, for example -- what they're calling "Alligator Alcatraz" -- is not just another immigration facility. It's a political prison engineered not merely to detain, but to humiliate, dehumanize, and broadcast terror.

    Today, DeSantis is using FEMA funds intended for hurricane victims to build migrant cages. Tomorrow, it could be protesters. Journalists. Teachers. You.


    Aligator Auschwitz (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 04:59:07 PM EST
    From Laura Loomer, adviser and dear friend of Trump, on July 2, 2025:

    "Aligator Lives Matter.  The good news is, alligators are guaranteed at least 65 million meals if we get started now."

    Note: The entire Latino population in the US is 65 million. Probably, just a joke, right?

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    Trump announced yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by fishcamp on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 05:33:02 PM EST
    that any escaping migrants at Alligator Alcatraz should run from any alligators in a zig zag manner.  The FWC (Florida Wildlife Commission) said that is totally wrong and that they should run in a straight line to get away.  They also said that alligators don't usually chase people for long on land, but they can be fast.

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    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 05:42:06 PM EST
    alligators can run up to 35 mph, but they are not made for endurance,--but short bursts will do.  

    So blood thirsty.  They are even selling Aligator  Alcatraz T-shirts in joy.  

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    CBS folds... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 03:51:15 PM EST
    Paramount will settle President Trump's lawsuit over a "60 Minutes" interview with Kamala Harris for $16 million, the company announced late Tuesday.

    CBS News' parent company worked with a mediator to resolve the lawsuit. Under the agreement, $16 million will be allocated to Mr. Trump's future presidential library and the plaintiffs' fees and costs. Neither Mr. Trump nor his co-plantiff, Texas Rep. Ronny Jackson, will be directly paid as part of the settlement.

    The FCC's approval is necessary for Paramount's $8.4 billion merger with Skydance Media to move ahead, and the agency didn't make a decision on the transaction by the informal 180-day deadline to review mergers, which passed in May. Carr (Federal Communications Commission Chair) said Thursday that the FCC was still reviewing the transaction.

    Money talks and you-know-what walks.

    This is simply (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by jmacWA on Wed Jul 02, 2025 at 03:56:39 PM EST
    A BRIBE to Trump.  I refuse to believe that this going to the TRUMP library keeps any direct or indirect benefit to TRUMP.  Bribery used to be illegal.

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    But, but, Sir..... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 08:17:29 AM EST

    According to three sources with direct knowledge of the comments, the president told Republicans at this meeting that there are three things Congress shouldn't touch if they want to win elections: Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security."

    Said one member to Trump: "But we're touching Medicaid in this bill."



    Happy Birthday, Zorba. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by vml68 on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 05:00:24 PM EST
    I hope you tuned out the news and had a wonderful day.

    Ditto (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 05:52:52 PM EST
    🙂

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    Thank you, (none / 0) (#46)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 07:23:22 PM EST
    Howdy!

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    Happy Birthday Zorba (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 09:16:43 PM EST
    Wish everything good to the Birthday Girl!

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    Thank you, vml68 (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 07:22:47 PM EST
    You always remember everyone's birthday!
    We had a nice, quiet day. I got some great presents from Mr. Zorba and the kids. (The "kids" are in their late 40's, but they're still our kids).
    Grilled dry aged steaks for dinner (Mr. Zorba is a master griller) with a Turley Zinfandel. Salad with our garden lettuce. Steamed broccoli with Hollandaise. Cheesecake for my birthday cake (bought, not made, but I love cheesecake.)
    All in all, a great birthday!

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    Ha! I wish I remembered everybody's birthdays. (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by vml68 on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 08:16:26 PM EST
    I only remember the ones that share a b'day with my loved ones. Today is my husband's b'day.
    CaptHowdy's is the same day as my (honorary) little brother.

    Your b'day menu sounds delicious. I'm glad you had a lovely day.

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    Wow...Happy Birthday Zorba (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jul 03, 2025 at 08:34:35 PM EST
    Sounds like you had a good one...xox

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    And today (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 06:17:35 PM EST
    Is our Anniversary. 55 years. (Yes, we're old.)

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    Thats (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 06:37:28 PM EST
    Tomorrow (Sunday) will be (5.00 / 5) (#62)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 06:34:34 PM EST
    my birthday ... turning 76. Just back home from six days at the Jersey Shore with all three of our daughters, their spouses, and the grandkids, totalling 11 of us. For three of those days my sister and her two kids and four grandchildren were with us, for a grand total of 19 ... including all the direct descendants of my parents.

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    Remember when birthday memes (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 06:41:29 PM EST
    Yeah, it meant my Aunt Helen ... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 06:46:32 PM EST
    would mail me 5 bucks.  She never forgot.

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    Happy (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 06:50:25 PM EST
    Early Birthday, Peter!
    You're still a youth- I'm a year older than you are.  ;-)

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    What a wonderful (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 10:22:28 AM EST
    family event and a great way to usher in your birthday.

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    Happy belated birthday, Peter and Zorba. (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 03:05:11 AM EST
    50 years ago on this day, I bet neither of you were thinking that a half-century hence in July 2025, the ruling Republican Party would appear on the verge of authorizing the public sacrifice of virgins to appease the Anemoi, the ancient Greek gods of seasons, wind and weather, in lieu of continued federal funding for FEMA and the National Weather Service.

    Neither was I.

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    Fifty years ago this month (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 07:45:10 PM EST
    I had just graduated from law school, and was moving to Philadelphia to begin my first job as a lawyer, working as a law clerk to a decent, honest, caring, brilliant moderate Republican federal judge. He kept his sealed Commission, signed by then-recently-resigned President Nixon and Nixon's soon-to-be-imprisoned former Attorney General, John Mitchell, hanging on the wall of his office as a reminder to keep true to one's own conscience. He hired me not because he expected me to be like-minded, but because he wanted someone with different instincts to challenge and debate him.

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    I'll remember your b'day next year, Peter. (none / 0) (#67)
    by vml68 on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 09:11:25 PM EST
    You share it with a very loved one of mine...my springer spaniel ;-)!
    He will be one year old tomorrow.

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    Happy Birthday (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 01:39:58 PM EST
    Peter. I hope it's a great one!

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    Thomas Jefferson's (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 08:55:27 AM EST
    27 complaints about the king link

    How many apply to Trump? I see many.

    Parliament Was More to Blame than the King (none / 0) (#57)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 07:20:21 PM EST
    They are the ones who imposed the taxes, restricted trial by jury, restricted trade and quartered troops. George III was more or less a cheerleader.  Jefferson's tactic was to pick out an individual to blame as it would be more inflammatory.

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    Not feeling very American today. (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 09:10:22 AM EST


    Adams and Jefferson (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 03:57:35 PM EST
    both died on the same July 4th in 1826.

    Right about now, they're probably both spinning at 400 rpms as this country turns into a Robert Crumb comic.

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    A place (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 09:17:28 AM EST
    More about this (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 10:34:45 AM EST
    How far are you from a medical (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 01:29:42 PM EST
    center? I have to drive an hour to Raleigh to see an endocrinologist. I think everybody has to go to Raleigh to the hospital. We have a quasi hospital in the county but I'm not sure how much it actually does and I'm sure it will be gone before too long.

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    We are better than most (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 04, 2025 at 02:41:26 PM EST
    I think.  There is an emergency room and clinic 5 minutes away.  My primary care Dr is in that building.  It might be more resistant to closing because I think less of their income might be from Medicaid but I don't really know

    There are several hospitals actually.

    One is almost certain to close.  About 15 miles away.   He closest one.  After that they are 30,40,50 miles away.

    A couple are very large complex.

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    How many people (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 08:19:22 AM EST
    do you think are on Medicaid and don't even know it because their state calls it something else?

    Many states have unique names for their Medicaid programs. For instance:
    Arizona: AHCCCS (Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System)
    California: Medi-Cal
    Connecticut: HUSKY D (for certain adults)
    Illinois: HealthChoice Illinois
    Maine: MaineCare
    Massachusetts: MassHealth
    New Jersey: NJ FamilyCare
    Oregon: Oregon Health Plan
    Oklahoma: SoonerCare
    Tennessee: TennCare
    Washington: Washington Apple Health
    Wisconsin: BadgerCare

    Complete (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 05, 2025 at 08:52:29 AM EST

    List

    I'm betting there are a many who have no idea they are on Medicaid

    Parent

    ... but not all that long ago, I read that an estimated five out of eight older adults (63%) who resided in senior residence centers - independent, assisted living and skilled nursing facilities - were dependent upon Medicaid or their state's Medicaid-equivalent program. I know it was a godsend to my late aunt who had ALS, because she and my uncle had burned through their retirement savings on her care.

    The upcoming changes in Medicaid are going to result in a massive cost shift to families, specifically to children and grandchildren of these older adults who have no more financial reserves. It's not enough to stick it to the old folks. Now, they're going to go after the assets of the younger generations to pay for Mom and Dad.

    The more I think about the sorry predicament in which our country is presently mired, the more I just want to go all "The Slap, Part II" on every $ch!t-for-brains who voted for Donald Trump.

    >;-)

    Parent

    I'm pretty sure locally that number (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 09:09:45 PM EST
    is in the 80-90% range.  It's a pretty grim prospect.  

    I've heard it described, the way you get a place for mom.  Or dad.  You have to divest them of property or savings so Medicaid takes care of it.

    Parent

    The ICE Age (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 02:09:03 PM EST
    It is difficult to identify the most horrible provision in the horrible Big, Beautiful Bill, but the new allocation of about $100 billion to ICE through 2029 (from its present $8 Billion annual budget) is  among the most ominous. The funding provides for more detention centers (to hold over 100,000 detainees), more ICE agents and, apparently, to further militarize the agency.  

    It doesn't take great budgetary prowess to understand that the goals and objectives of ICE go beyond deporting those "rapists and murderers".   It may be generous just to suggest that, as a penalty, detainees may be found suitable to replace those deported migrants picking strawberries.  Much more seems in store.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 02:42:12 PM EST
    when Georgia passed a disastrous anti-migrant bill the crops were rotting in the fields so Nathan Deal made prisoners pick crops. So you might not be far off there and if the farmers want their migrants they get to keep them like indentured servants.

    Parent
    Nice that y'all (none / 0) (#76)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 05:10:32 PM EST
    are finally getting some sane candidates in Georgia, like Kandiss Taylor, who just announced that all the floods and hurricanes are Fake! Fake! Fake!

    Libs with weather control technology and space lasers are pullin' the wool over folks eyes again.

    And not to be outdone in the derangement department, RFK Jr says we need to stop trusting experts. No need to rely anymore on fancy pants scientists, so-called 'researchers', so-called 'licensed professionals,' and so forth. We'll just wing it from here on in. And every man for himself.

    Parent

    And .... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 06:37:16 PM EST
    MTG, of GA, has announced that she is authoring a bill to make weather manipulation a felony. Yeah, a felony. So you better watch out.

    Parent
    Will it (none / 0) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 07:01:07 PM EST
    count as a felony if a sharpie is used to alter the pathway of a hurricane?  Asking for an orange acquaintance.

    Parent
    Oh, we've had (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 10:41:57 AM EST
    some really bad ones since Trump came on the scene. Kandiss ran for the senate in the primary and lost.

    I read where we are headed for another pandemic along with explosion of preventable diseases like measles. The ones that aren't deported I guess will be killed off by disease. Ironically considering most maga I know they are more likely to be killed off than the libs.

    Parent

    At the rate things are going, I believe (5.00 / 5) (#73)
    by vml68 on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 03:49:04 PM EST
    it is just a matter of time before they come for people like me.
    For now, it is people who have committed crimes. How long before the crime is being brown-skinned or they come up with some trumped up charges because you are brown?

    The U.S. Department of Justice has begun to priornitize stripping naturalized Americans of their citizeship when charged with crimes, according to a recent memo.

    Why it matters: It ramps up the Trump administration's immigration crackdown, which it has expanded to target, deport and detain legal permanent residents and citizens.

    LINK

    My husband flew to California for the long weekend and I insisted he carry his passport with him. He thinks I am being paranoid. I probably am but I don't trust the system anymore.
    I told him that if somebody decides he looks like an undocumented immigrant/muslim terrorist and he gets detained that passport might be his best chance of getting due process. Or he could be taking an unplanned, extended vacation in South Sudan.

    Parent

    Sadly (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 11:26:20 AM EST
    not really unreasonable. Even California isn't completely safe since Trump has his minions there.

    I don't trust the system and I am a white woman. It's not like we're totally safe or free these days either.

    I have wanted to spend time in Mexico but in order to do that I would have to get a burner phone and then there's no certainty on that if you're on a "list". Along with the safety of airplanes being lessened due to FAA gutting and the danger of being randomly thrown in the gulag it's just not worth the risk.

    Parent

    Trump is (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 03:57:37 PM EST
    A because of a general failure of imagination.  

    We can't afford to not imagine things can happen any more.

    Parent

    I fear (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 05:10:00 PM EST
    no one is safe if you disagree with Trump, Stephen Miller and the rest  of this gang.  Our best hope is that most of the added funding for ICE will go for concentration camp contract grifting and cowboy hats for Kristi Noem, leaving little for their nefarious behavior.

    Parent
    I still fear (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by jmacWA on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 04:56:52 AM EST
    that this major expansion of ICE, is so that he can get an army that swears an oath to HIM and not to the constitution.  If TRUMP wants goons to fire on Americans, he will ask his ICE army to avoid putting "His Generals" on the spot.

    Parent
    It seems (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 10:45:03 AM EST
    as if ICE is being modeled after the Gestapo, the Nazi secret state police---structured as a national political police force, but not secret. Under the Big Beautiful Bill, the total deportation budget is about $175 billion, larger than the military budget for any country other than the U.S. and China, surpassing the Russian military budget by $30 billion.  Of the $175 billion, $30 billion is allocated for ICE enforcement and $45 billion for construction of new detention centers.

    The current ICE budget is about $8 billion and the FBI budget is about $11 billion.

    Parent

    Oops (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 08:10:18 PM EST

    Document Casts Doubt on White House's Claims About Deported Venezuelans
    The document from El Salvador seems to undermine a position that lawyers for the Justice Department and top Trump officials have taken time and again in front of a judge in Washington.

    For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

    Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

    On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States' bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.



    CURSES. foiled again! (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 03:34:31 PM EST
    Clowns (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 12:33:22 PM EST
    FBI's `Raw' Jeffrey Epstein Prison Video Was Likely Modified
    July 11, 2025 at 1:21 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 2 Comments

    "The United States Department of Justice this week released nearly 11 hours of what it described as `full raw' surveillance footage from a camera positioned near Jeffrey Epstein's prison cell the night before he was found dead. The release was intended to address conspiracy theories about Epstein's apparent suicide in federal custody. But instead of putting those suspicions to rest, it may fuel them further," Wired reports.

    "Metadata embedded in the video and analyzed by Wired and independent video forensics experts shows that rather than being a direct export from the prison's surveillance system, the footage was modified, likely using the professional editing tool Adobe Premiere Pro."

    "The file appears to have been assembled from at least two source clips, saved multiple times, exported, and then uploaded to the DOJ's website, where it was presented as `raw' footage.

    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 12:45:23 PM EST
    They have been so used to getting away with lying that they have just gotten even more bold about making crap up. I guess they forgot that there are film editors out there that would look at the film. My youngest son used that software for his film editing class in college.

    Parent
    So sad (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 03:01:20 PM EST
    Dan Bongino May Resign Over Jeffrey Epstein Files
    July 11, 2025 at 2:57 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 59 Comments

    "Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino has told people he is considering resigning amid a major clash between the FBI and Justice Department over the continued fallout from the release of the Jeffrey Epstein memo," CNN reports

    Parent

    Clash of the Cretins (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 03:04:03 PM EST
    Dan Bongino Clashed with Pam Bondi Over Epstein Files
    July 11, 2025 at 12:31 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 97 Comments

    "FBI deputy director Dan Bongino took a day off from work Friday after clashing at the White House with Attorney General Pam Bondi over their handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files," Axios reports.

    "At the center of the argument: a surveillance video from outside of Epstein's cell that the administration released, saying it was proof no one had entered the room before he killed himself."

    Parent

    yet (none / 0) (#130)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 06:43:25 PM EST
    literally nobody has noticed Trump's attorney Todd Blanche was part of the scheme.

    Bongino deserves everything he gets because he was one of the main people spreading the Epstein conspiracy theories along with Patel. Maybe Bondi did it too but I only know what she has said since being AG.

    Parent

    It's nice to watch the MAGAs (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 07:35:05 PM EST
    cannibalize each other.  It's hilarious in a sickening way that the MAGA mouth breathers are desperate for someone to blame for the information blackout.

    Will any of them ever figure out it's Trump who is doing to blocking?

    Such a bitter pill to think Gods chosen one might be exactly what everyone has been trying to tell them he is.

    Parent

    The whole (none / 0) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 12:21:25 PM EST
    sordid affair is sick and disgusting. Obviously they care nothing about the victims and never did. A former Republican said that a lot of this is about the Clintons. That GOP Inc. has been telling them that there has to be crimes even though they have been suing them for 30 years and Epstein is the one that will really be it.

    Dershowitz says he knows who "they" are but can't say because of "the courts". I think he may know something but really it's about getting attention for himself.

    Now that ministers are allowed to "endorse" candidates I don't think many will. What minister with any brains would want to be drawn into what is going on now. However I can see some evangelical churches imploding because of this. The evangelicals have been told that they had to vote for Trump and now a lot of them have to be looking around thinking what did I do?

    Parent

    Trump should fire (none / 0) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 10:24:52 AM EST
    Bondi and Bongino so as to cool the fascist fighting.  And, just as Marco Rubio is Secretary of State , Acting National Security Advisor and Acting Archivist, so too can the Director of the FBI  take on Acting Attorney General and Acting Deputy Director of the FBI. He can keep an eye on both.

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    He will (none / 0) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 12:24:08 PM EST
    never fire Bondi as it looks right now. He just came out with a statement of support. Patel and Bongino are the ones that will take the fall but apparently Bongino really doesn't like the job anyway and Patel is not doing the job so it's not like they will be missed.

    Parent
    I read something on Facebook (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 04:26:05 PM EST
    I'm not sure if it was real, it's getting harder and harder to tell what's real, but it said Iran had the Epstein documents.

    That would be fun. Stranger things have happened in the last half hour.

    Parent

    I don't think (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 06:48:05 PM EST
    Iran has the files. I think that comes from Iran hacked the US maybe? and someone thinks they might have gotten the case file but at this point I'd be willing to put money down on the fact that the entire file has been put in one of those high tech shredders where you could never put the info back together.

    However it is thought that France might have some information because one of the main traffickers Jean Luc Brunel with Epstein was French and was arrested. It would explain a lot of the attacks on Macron that have been happening lately if you think about it.

    Parent

    That's what I'm talking about. (5.00 / 4) (#141)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 13, 2025 at 05:20:40 PM EST
    Gavin Newsom's press office referred to Stephen Miller as a " fascist cuck."

    That's the messaging I want to see from Democrats. Stop being genteel. Stop being "normal." Call them out when they lie. Call them the fascists that they are.

    Interesting development (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 13, 2025 at 07:26:33 PM EST
    Trump posted that "Obama and Hillary wrote the Epstein files".

    On its face this is laughable but it's interesting he would go this route.  To me it says, he knows it's coming out.  He's trying to get ahead of whatever is in there.

    We have a PERFECT Administration, THE TALK OF THE WORLD, and "selfish people" are trying to hurt it, all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein. For years, it's Epstein, over and over again. Why are we giving publicity to Files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration,

    They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me, and now my so-called "friends" are playing right into their hands. Why didn't these Radical Left Lunatics release the Epstein Files? If there was ANYTHING in there that could have hurt the MAGA Movement, why didn't they use it? They haven't even given up on the John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King, Jr. Files.

    I don't really get that last part but if you want to read the whole crazy thing

    Had any other POTUS (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 13, 2025 at 07:59:37 PM EST
    ever written something so insane, bizarre, childish and weird, leaders of both houses would demand the VP and cabinet invoke the 25th Amendment. How can any world leader take this country with any degree of seriousness with this bizzaro world cr@p being spewed. I mean c'mon. What the eff is this shite?

    I am telling you all with every fiber of my being and complete seriousness, this country cannot survive 3-1/2 more years of this. Americans have got to begin considering akternatives to mass protests.


    Parent

    I know. (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:04:40 AM EST
    Trump is graded on curve with the press shrugging their shoulders with that's just Trump being Trump.

    Parent
    The most interesting thig (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 07:51:41 AM EST
    about that post is not that it was insane.

    It is that on his own personal social media platform it is reported this is the first time ANYTHING he has posted got more hate than love.

    By a very large margin.  This is the dumpster fire that could consume him.

    Find and watch clips from the Turning Point USA convention that just happened.  Speaker after speaker tore into the Epstein flap.

    There a long segment on this on MJ today.

    Parent

    IMO (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 08:08:12 AM EST
    Trump jumping to defend Bondi and talking about how her "focus" is on "how they stole the 20 election and TRIED to steal it in 24" is all about 26 and 28.

    Clearly Bondi has signaled she is all in with trying to stop the election.  If he has to replace her it's a crapshoot

    Parent

    He won't (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:07:03 AM EST
    replace Bondi IMO. The two that are going to go are Patel and Bongino.

    And apparently this is a direct coverup with Susie Wiles telling Bondi not to release anything on orders from Trump. Probably why she has been all over the place with her statements.

    Parent

    I think he might (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:30:07 AM EST
    The knives are out for her and if he can push her under the bus to save even a small part of himself, he will.

    Parent
    Seems (none / 0) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:48:41 AM EST
    to me the thing that might save himself a little bit is firing all three. Picking one to fire wouldn't seem to work but you never know these days.

    Some pundits are saying that the FBI is going to start leaking, regular FBI agents that is, because Trump has treated them so poorly and there were agents that had worked on these files for years. Frankly I'm surprised that none of this has gotten out with all those FBI agents before.

    Parent

    You could probably count the number (none / 0) (#156)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 15, 2025 at 11:02:01 AM EST
    of times he has written or said anything intelligible or sane on one hand.
    The rules/norms for anything don't seem to apply to him.

    Parent
    In the MAGA GOP's parallel universe, ... (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 11:19:51 AM EST
    ... there's a lot of widely accepted conjecture about the Jeffrey Epstein case that baselessly assumes facts not in evidence. The fault for that lies entirely with Donald Trump himself. His entire political career has been premised upon his constant pimping of false narratives.

    We've all been long speculating when Trump would finally be enveloped by his own toxic dust clouds, and when karma would finally catch up with him and demand its due. At this point, now would be as good a time as any for that to happen.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    This tells (none / 0) (#147)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:02:36 AM EST
    me so much. I am sure that is not what he wanted but it does. It says that the list is mostly Republicans, will damage the GOP and won't do much to democrats if anything. We know Epstein sex trafficked girls to Bill Richardson but he's dead. A lot of maga doesn't know about Ken Starr and Alex Acosta.

    Parent
    You really can't have it both ways (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:28:36 AM EST
    Do the files not exist or were they created by Obama and Hillary.

    Parent
    I know. (none / 0) (#152)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 09:45:39 AM EST
    LOL. Obama and Hillary creating them is beyond stupid. I expect to hear next that Biden destroyed the files. So we'll be back to no files next after saying they were created.

    And if he says Biden destroyed the files, we will know Trump put them in the incinerator.

    Parent

    Well, (none / 0) (#154)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 10:19:12 AM EST
    It  does give the Media an option to run with..

    Parent
    I like her (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 15, 2025 at 04:55:29 PM EST

    Democrat Hallie Shoffner launches campaign for US Senate against Tom Cotton

    From the release:

    As a sixth-generation family farmer, I know what it's like to have to fight tooth and nail for everything you have, and still get crushed by an economy that's rigged against you," Shoffner said. "Tom Cotton voted against the Farm Bill twice. I'll fight for a Farm Bill that finally gives Arkansas farmers room to breathe. His tax cuts are for land barons, and he just blew a massive hole in our national debt. I'll cut taxes for blue-collar workers, fight to restore Medicaid, save Social Security, cut the deficit, and be radically focused on bringing costs down for regular people. I'll fight this rigged system every day--Tom Cotton's the guy who did the rigging.

    About her experience:

    Shoffner is a graduate of Newport High School, Vanderbilt University, and the Clinton School of Public Service. In addition to running her family farm, she is also the founder and CEO of Delta Harvest, which works to build local food infrastructure in Arkansas, support fellow farmers, and bring opportunities back to struggling communities. Her experience spans farming, business, nonprofit leadership, and advocacy, but is always rooted in fairness, grit, and getting things done.



    I liked (none / 0) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 01:26:22 PM EST
    the comments below the article with people saying "I am not Tom Cotton" is one of the best things she has going for her. LOL.

    Parent
    Watch as the thief trump... (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 15, 2025 at 08:57:05 PM EST
    slyly pockets the champion soccer medal that belongs to the winners.

    So now Trump is disowning MAGA (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 11:38:59 AM EST
    this is from TSocial

    Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this "bullshit," hook, line, and sinker. They haven't learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years.

    Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don't want their support anymore!

    He put Jeffery in the same bucket with Russia Russia Russia.  

    I don't think they will like that.

    One supporter (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 01:29:38 PM EST
    said does he think we are retarded?

    The answer that would be yes or at least stupid. he kinda has a legit reason to believe maga is mentally handicapped due to the fact that they have bought so much of his junk that was obviously garbage.

    Parent

    They are not smart (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 02:26:27 PM EST
    but I don't think he sold them anything.  Except himself.  He did not invent the garbage conspiracy theories.  He mostly "sold" them stuff they wanted to hear.   Stuff that validated their hate and fear and racism.

    He has NEVER told them anything they did not want to hear.  They don't want to hear they are stupid as Democrats.


    Parent

    Except for the birth certificate (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 02:29:23 PM EST
    that one he made up.  But they only believed it because it reinforced their prejudices.  

    And he probably could kill some and not lose a vote.  As long as he doesn't burst their info bubble

    Parent

    Finally some good news (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 02:19:43 PM EST

    Trump Diagnosed With Vein Disease Tied to Swollen Ankles


    From ABC


    Leavitt also addressed photos circulated online that show minor bruising on the back of the president's hand, attributing the bruising to "minor soft tissue irritation from frequent handshaking and the use of aspirin."

    Shaking hands?


    Certainly looked (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by jmacWA on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 03:40:00 PM EST
    like an IV site to me.

    Parent
    Maybe, (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 06:46:09 PM EST
    a site for a Heparin IV drip..  

    Parent
    Google says (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 04:25:29 PM EST

    Swelling accompanied by other symptoms: Such as skin change, pain, or restricted mobility.

    Could be a bigger problem.

    Parent

    Trump (none / 0) (#186)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 04:54:43 PM EST
    Is seated whenever he can be.  And the fact that they found it necessary to report his condition  is curious.   We are always told he is in the best of health--slim , robust and all  lab tests are "positive".  

    Parent
    Be still (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 04:59:45 PM EST
    my heart

    Parent
    not to get ahead of the story&#128512; (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 05:46:47 PM EST
    but
    I think the Epstein thing has him really spooked and he losing it.
    I assume you know about the made up story about the UniBomber.  And the thing about coke using cane sugar without speaking to Coke first.
    He's really losing it.

    Parent
    John (none / 0) (#191)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 06:16:35 PM EST
    Heilemann says there is a major story that is going to break a big Trump/Epstein story. So maybe there is something behind the screeching fake news about the Epstein case etc. However I will believe there is gonna be a story when I see there is a story.

    Parent
    I've Had Venous Stasis for Thirty Years (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 07:52:43 PM EST
    It is an hereditary condition in the lower legs, also called venous insufficiency. Some people wear compression socks to alleviate the condition but I find them an annoyance.  I have long done exercises like leg extensions, curls and presses so the condition doesn't get worse even though it doesn't get better.  I can believe it might develop into a serious health problem like edema for an overweight person who sits on his butt most of the day

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    This is (none / 0) (#189)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 06:11:40 PM EST
    the biggest bunch of BS. No doctor's summary but of course he uses crackpot doctors. If he does in fact have vein disease he is in the later stages where you have swelling.

    My mother had legs swollen like his, i mean huge swelling, and when I saw her I begged her to go to the doctor and she refused. A few months later she died of a heart attack. Ends up the swelling I saw in her legs was a sign of late state congestive heart failure.  

    Parent

    I'm listening to Tim Burchett on CNN (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 06:15:38 PM EST
    Sponsor of the "Release the Epstein Files Bill" that delaying work in the House.

    I would swear he was enjoying this.

    They have had to eat a lot of crap sandwiches ala Donald.

    Parent

    This is an accidentally unedited (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 09:46:23 PM EST
    reaction from a major Trump Bro

    it's for adults only

    So the Elon (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 06, 2025 at 01:43:05 PM EST
    Monster has now formed a 3rd party. Go for it Elon! Outside of tech bros and incels I can't imagine who would be attracted to a party led by him.

    Thom Tillis is looking smarter by the day saying screw it to this disaster of a bill and disastrously run government.

    Well (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 11:29:04 AM EST
    with all the horrors going on at least we can now finally put the Epstein conspiracy theories to bed. I guess if there was anything in that "file" it had a lot of dirt on Trump and therefore DOJ announced there was no list and basically there's nothing there. So after 10 years investing in this conspiracy maga heads are exploding.

    BBB is not their only problem (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 03:49:03 PM EST
    And this (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 04:10:56 PM EST
    they are going to start eating each other as the blame piles up.  It's flooding again in the Carolinas today

    Trump and Texas point fingers as flood death toll rises

    While the death count from the Texas floods continues to rise, with people still missing and more rain is expected to come, the Trump administration and Texas officials are busy playing the blame game.

    But perhaps the most glaring evidence is that the NWS was also missing a warning coordination meteorologist, who had taken one of the retirement bribes that the Trump administration forced on federal employees



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    This won't go away (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 04:57:44 PM EST

    ."

    Bannon reacted to the news on Monday during his War Room podcast.

    "On top of everything else going on this weekend, I just don't even understand the timing of this," the host told Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch. "People are so close to [Attorney General Pam Bondi] and, you know, [FBI Director Kash Patel] was a co-host here, right?"

    "So, Fitton, please explain to our audience what in the hell happened," he remarked.

    "I don't know, I read the memo three or four times again this morning, and it's really, I don't think even the Biden administration would have written anything like this," Fitton replied. "I just don't think they could have thought they could get away with it."

    "And I've got to wonder what is going on at the leadership of the Justice Department and to allow them to think that statements like as follows," he continued. "And so they say the systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. So there's a client list, but it's not incriminating, so therefore you can't see it."

    "There is also no credible evidence that found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. Well, give us the incredible evidence."
    .
    "They're stonewalling us. And what do they do? They give it to Axios," he complained.

    Bannon blasted the DOJ for leaking the information to Axios instead of a pro-MAGA outlet.

    "So this was a well-thought-through leak to a super prominent, particularly late at night, more than Drudge," he said. "Everybody will read Axios on a Sunday night."



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    I think Trump is there on the list (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 05:37:07 PM EST
    I think there's also probably prominent Democrats.
    Celebrities. Clergy. WhoFT knows.

    I think Biden looked at it and said it's just better that this stays secret.
    Then Trump looked at it and said holyshite bury this.

    So after building careers on the championing of the opposite position Bongogino and Justice Barbie said.... umm, ok. While exchanging side eyes.

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    The file (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 07:05:36 PM EST
    may not have even been there when Biden was president. I would not be surprised to find out Trump took it with him in 2021 and it was in that pile of crap at Mar A Largo.

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    And (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 05:41:30 PM EST
    Bongojackass and the FBI turd and the rest might willingly conceal it to protect Trump.  That too,

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    We already (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 07:03:52 PM EST
    know a lot of the names from victims coming forward and Virginia Guiffre naming names before she died. I don't believe there ever was a list. It was just clients that he kept in his head. And he apparently took pictures of clients in compromising positions one of which was Trump according to Michael Wolff. There are hours of tapes with Epstein that came out before the election that the press just ignored.

    They have been able to lie to maga about literally everything and maga swallowed it whole. So they probably thought

    They have a good 10 years invested in this conspiracy theory surrounding Epstein. It is now blowing up their heads.

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    The List (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 07, 2025 at 07:36:19 PM EST
    is shorthand for what they don't want you to see

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    Today (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 11:59:23 AM EST

    House Democrats Demand Release of Epstein Files
    July 8, 2025 at 12:54 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    "House Democrats on Tuesday demanded that the justice department release documents related to the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein's sex-trafficking case that mentions or references Donald Trump, citing a comment by Elon Musk after he fell out with the president this year," The Guardian reports.

    "The House judiciary committee's ranking member, Jamie Raskin, together with 15 other Democrats sent a six-page letter to the US attorney general, Pam Bondi, accusing her of withholding some Epstein files to protect the president from any damaging disclosures."



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    Watched a podcast (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 12:58:04 PM EST
    with Jim Acosta and a journalist who has been covering this case for years. She made the point that a lot of the material cannot be released because of CSAM and that not every woman Epstein sex trafficked was underage. Many were of age. She said that the FBI has been working diligently on this case for years but that prosecuting anyone will be extremely difficult as we've seen with the Diddy case. Also the agreement Ken Starr & Alex Acosta made throws a monkey wrench into the situation.

    I thought it was interesting because I had not thought about all this.

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    I just watched some of that (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 01:25:36 PM EST
    she is talking about the information that's already been released (the big binders that had no new information ) That's what they "went through"

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    I thought she (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 03:12:37 PM EST
    Was talking about the FBI going through the files on Epstein that were used for his indictment and criminal case but if the FBI doesn't have anything extra than what was publicly released then there is really nothing to release other than pictures etc

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    Who knows (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 03:59:01 PM EST
    what the FBI saw.  If there's nothing else in the files, release them.

    I have no clue what in the unreleased files. But I'm happy to fan the flames of the conspiracy because a lot of MAGATs sure believe it.


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    What (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 04:04:23 PM EST
    OMG (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 04:22:16 PM EST
    I know. For literally 10 years they have been talking about this. I really want to rub it in the face of every maga I know.

    Today Trump says "are we still talking about that creep Epstein" as if no one knows they were best friends for like 15 years. I guess maga doesn't know that but they should.

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    Texas tragedy (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 05:19:59 PM EST
    Watching the coverage I started thinking, boy that's a lot of white people.  

    Which made me realize this area where I live is a lot less white that it once was so that I would notice that.

    I was reading about the area and the camp.
    The area is close to 90% white.
    The main one was a Non-denominational Christian girls camp.  

    When I was young Non-denominational meant probably liberal hippy.  Thats not what it means these days.  It basically, according to the definition, is people who want to make it up as they go based on their own interpretation of the Bible.

    It's a terrible terrible thing.  But the coverage has more religion than I'm comfortable with.  

    My friend who lives in Austin (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 05:22:17 PM EST
    calls the area Howdy Arabia.

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    According to WIKI (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 08, 2025 at 06:12:42 PM EST
    they had occasional Jewish campers.

    And Laura and Barbara Bush spent time there.

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    Wiki said... (none / 0) (#110)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 05:40:44 PM EST
    The camp offered two camp sessions a year until 1983, when a third session was added.  By 1996, a session at Camp Mystic cost US$635 (equivalent to $1,273 in 2024).  In 2011 a 30-day session cost $4,300.

    3 sessions a summer, 750 girls, $4,300 per girl equals $9,675,000 a summer according to my 5th grade math (and that's at 2011 prices, that's 14 years ago).  My question, why, at those elite prices, no warning system?

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    Lack (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 06:19:56 PM EST
    of imagination

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    The mayor (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 06:25:03 PM EST
    or somebody said they tried but the residents were not willing to pay for it.  Which I find totally believable.  But I agree with the pricey girls camp .....

    There was another location I forget the name very similar an close by but the had sirens.  No one died.

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    This (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 06:27:36 PM EST
    We have alert sirens here (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 07:51:12 PM EST
    For as long as I remember.  They have been used a few times since I lived here in this house.
    They are for tornados.  Mostly.
    I'm surprised there was no alert sirens.

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    We have them around the corner (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 09:36:04 PM EST
    from my house. They harken back to the days of Three Mile Island. Which is about 20 miles upriver from me.

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    Its up to the locals though (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 12:21:44 PM EST
    We have them.  Towns usually do. I don't know if you remember there's so many disasters now but recently a massive F4 tornado tore through an area 4-5 miles from here just beyond the range outside the town limits.  They got no warning

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    I live in Hilo, HI. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 03:40:19 PM EST
    Our town was twice hit by major tsunamis in 1946 and 1960, which cost a couple hundred people their lives. As a result, robust civil defense systems and redundancy have long been part of our state's DNA.

    But even then, Maui County and State officials badly bungled the Lahaina fire response. We were so incredibly lucky that the FEMA director and senior agency officials were actually in Honolulu for an emergency management conference on the day the Maui wildfires broke out. They quickly took charge that evening when they realized the locals were floundering.

    My point is this: the finest and most up-to-date civil defense systems that money can buy aren't going to protect you very much if the people who in overall charge of those systems don't know what they're doing. Hawaii had the best - and look what still happened to us.

    Texas has long been notorious for cheapskating public safety at the state, local and corporate levels. And from all indications, the residents of Kerr County and the kids at Camp Mystic paid a fearsome price for that negligence. It was only four years ago that 246 residents died of exposure in the "Great Texas Freeze of 2021" when the state's aging and neglected power grid collapsed during a major winter storm. At what point do people say enough and hold their officials accountable?

    Aloha.

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    IDK (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 09:26:17 AM EST
    but maybe the focus on religion could be a good thing and wake some of these evangelicals up.

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 10:10:09 AM EST
    That actually makes me hate it less when they seem to be emphasizing they were white Christian children.  

    When you stop running the government it sucks for everyone not just brown people.

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    Republicans have long desired to rule, ... (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 03:56:28 PM EST
    ... but when they gain power, they neglect to actually govern. To be fair, it wasn't always like that. I'd say it was only over the last 30-40 years that the GOP morphed into the party of willful ignorance and outright incompetence.

    Remember Dubya's infamous "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!" quip in Sept. 2005 as New Orleans was flooded and drowning, which prompted a lot of public blowback on the Bush administration? (Jeez, has it already been 20 years since that tragedy?) That should've been a wake-up call for Americans that the GOP was listing too far starboard, and that ideological shift was badly eroding its talent base for governance.

    Aloha.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 01:19:16 PM EST
    As long as only brown people were suffering oh, well, but now they see they are also going to suffer the consequences.

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    Larry Summers (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 09:19:04 AM EST
    has maga in meltdown because he said the BBB will be like having the number of people who died in the flood in Texas happening everyday for 2000 days. Bessent screamed and said Harvard should fire him. It seems like everything else telling the truth will be an attempt to get you fired. But this is a great argument Summers is making and something we can make to maga family members.

    I can't believe we're only 6 months into this nightmare.

    Not a single MAGAt (5.00 / 4) (#109)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 03:42:05 PM EST
    state or federal wants to answer questions or take any responsibility for this.

    Yet these same SOBs grilled Hillary Clinton for 14 hours over Benghazi. Where the inference was that she personally killed those 4 people. Note, 4, count'em, four dead compared to what, 175+ in Texas.

    And not one of these MFers will even consider that maybe they have responsibility here.

    Tots and pears, tots and pears.

    Ironic to me that Jesus Camp got the brunt of this disaster. Where was god that morning? Off watching fireworks?

    Just remember, there is no manmade climate change. Only god and democrats can control the weather. And Jewish space lasers.

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    I was thinking (5.00 / 4) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 06:39:19 PM EST
    God has a good thing going.  Credit and responsibility for all the rescues zero responsibility for the dead children.

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    Well (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 10:08:20 AM EST
    as far as the Jesus camp goes, maybe God let it happen because it is waking up some evangelicals. Maybe the lesson is God gave you a brain and common sense and start using it or you're going to suffer more losses.

    The Hillary comparison is pretty apt. I had forgotten about that. Heck with Trump what happened 2 days ago is forgotten.

    The one MOST responsible is apparently Kristi Noem who had to personally sign off on the rescue mission and that delayed rescue efforts for 72 hours. Still local officials are to blame for not putting in a warning system but this is the Jefferson Davis mindset of many southerners that they don't need to gubmint help and now they are paying the price.

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    Heh. That reminds me of something that ... (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 04:34:26 PM EST
    ... my maternal grandfather - a proud member and former chair of the California GOP - was reputed to have said to his own sister (my great aunt), who was an unabashed member of the John Birch Society during its "None Dare Call It Treason" era:

    "Anna, if everyone who disagrees with you politically is a Communist who should be fired, arrested or imprisoned, you're going to need to acquire some cats to keep you company in your old age."

    They used to argue over politics all the time, and he regularly called her a "crackpot" so I can easily see him saying something like that to her.

    ;-)

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    I don't think that many folks will (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 09, 2025 at 10:04:38 AM EST
    enjoy hearing Ted Cruz whine about the "politicization of a tragedy".

    After his crowd told flood victims in the Carolinas that FEMA was coming to take their land, guns and bibles so they should shoot them.

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    Ted Cruz? (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 01:18:55 PM EST
    You mean the Ted Cruz who manages to be out of the country (or leave the country) whenever there is a Texas catastrophe, and then has to come scurrying back?
    That Ted Cruz?


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    trump should be committed... (none / 0) (#137)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 02:30:19 PM EST
    "Because of the fact that Rosie O'Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship. She is a Threat to Humanity, and should remain in the wonderful Country of Ireland, if they want her."

    Obviously a lie (none / 0) (#138)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 03:47:53 PM EST
    He never gives "serious" consideration to anything.

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    Well, this is a feint, a distraction... (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 12, 2025 at 07:01:02 PM EST
    from the Epstein flap-up, as are, I believe, the new surprise tariffs.  As my dad used to tell me when I was a kid on the ball field, "Keep Your eye on the ball."

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    Note to Larry Summers (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 14, 2025 at 08:57:27 AM EST
    Dear Larry

    In the future it would be great if before you go on live tv trim you damn nose hair.

    that's actually disgusting

    What if the bottom really dropped out? (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 02:32:01 PM EST
    If MAGA really turned on him....

    I'd absolutely love it. (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 04:41:28 PM EST
    CaptHowdy: "If MAGA really turned on him...."

    So therefore, of course it's never going to happen.

    But a boy can still dream, can't he?

    ;-D

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    It's happening (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 05:01:38 PM EST
    maybe he can stop it.

    The only reason Kash Patel has his job is this issue.  The only reason Bongogino has his job is the same.  This isn't just another thing.

    This is him telling them they have to be vaccinated for Covid.

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    It is not (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 04:36:34 PM EST
    unprecedented for a public figure to soar to great heights before crashing is spectacular fashion.  

    People tend to love to crucify former heros who fail them.

    This goes beyond 2026. It really could be his existential undoing.  

    We got wars and rumors of wars.  Prices are about to go up in a big way.  He's running out of things to f'ck up.

    I'm not naive.  Things seem different.

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    Be still, my beating heart. (none / 0) (#168)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 04:58:29 PM EST
    If only he would implode like Andy Griffith as Larry "Lonesome" Rhodes in Elia Kazan's "A Face in the Crowd." Maybe Melania could walk into the room prior to an Oval Office broadcast and accidently brush her hand over a mic switch, leaving it open prior to going on air, and then gently goad her husband into telling her how stupid and gullible his MAGA followers are.

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    It really (none / 0) (#170)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 05:24:08 PM EST
    would be beyond just his undoing. It would be Lindsay Graham's prediction about it being the end of the GOP coming true. If the GOP primaries are any indication, maga is about 50% of the GOP.

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    I just saw a clip of Alex Jones (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 05:35:59 PM EST
    calling MAGA a cult.

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    This was a needle drop (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 06:52:43 PM EST
    in the new series on MGM The Institute.  

    Which is very good.

    it's been stick in my head ever since

    It's musical background (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 06:57:12 PM EST
    while the series heavy Mary Louise Parker (who I love)while relaxing at home burns herself with a red hot coat hanger for no apparent reason.

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    Just this afternoon (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2025 at 07:13:44 PM EST
    Wonder (none / 0) (#175)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 10:16:46 AM EST
    if she will talk. I saw an interview with the attorney for the girls David Boies who said they have been trying to get the files released to the public for years. Also said the only one interested was Berman and that's the one Bill Barr showed up to personally fire. Boies made it sound like the danger is to well connected donors regarding releasing the files.

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    And prince, uh I mean, King (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 10:58:10 AM EST
    Charles

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#179)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 11:31:34 AM EST
    why Andrew wasn't party to the sweetheart deal? This Bush administration said the deal was due to pressure from the palace but I assumed that was the queen not Charles. However I think the deal had more to do with major GOP donor Wexner who had a 30 year relationship with Epstein more than any palace pressure.

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    I'm skeptical Trump cares enough (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 11:56:18 AM EST
    about anyone, donor or not, to take the heat he is taking on this.

    IMO he is protecting himself.

    And consider what his supporters ALREADY know about him and his behavior.  And what must be on there for him to be so transparenty desperate to make this go away.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 01:34:13 PM EST
    100% it is about saving himself. But after he attacked his own supporters over this a brief survey of maga on facebook by me showed they are finally getting the message. It's the I'm not longer maga even though I support the goals type stuff.  

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    I want them (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 02:13:12 PM EST
    to stay home in the next election.

    They can support whatever they want

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    I would be very surprised (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 10:59:13 AM EST
    if she did anything to get headlines.  I would guess she wants to avoid that.

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    Well (none / 0) (#178)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 11:25:57 AM EST
    there is a story out now where she says fear is the tool of the autocrat. So obviously one of the reasons she got fired was for failure to bend the knee. She is now getting attention for what happened.

    I saw a picture of her for the first time today. She looks exactly like her father. It's uncanny

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    Now the WSJournal (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 06:36:39 PM EST
    is going to publish, after Trump told them he would sue, a birthday card from Trump to Epstein where he drew a naked lady and his signature was her pubes.

    And he talked about "wonderful secrets".

    This is developing very fast

    Read (none / 0) (#194)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 07:05:02 PM EST
    the article and it made it sound like Wexner, Dershowitz and Epstein were all in the "club" along with Trump. Trump was the "most special" friend it seems.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 07:16:58 PM EST
    The WSJ did not publish the drawing.

    Maybe they are waiting for the denials.

    This is important.  This supercharges Release The Files.

    The DOU had this information.  It's probably why they did a 180.

    My guess is this letter is the literal tip of the iceberg.
    They are coming out now.

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    I am (none / 0) (#196)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 07:25:48 PM EST
    quite sure judging from Trump's own words to Epstein that this drawing is the tip of the iceberg.

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    Colbert cancelled... (none / 0) (#199)
    by desertswine on Thu Jul 17, 2025 at 10:48:13 PM EST
    CBS is axing "The Late Show With Stephen Colbert" in May 2026, the host told an audience at a taping Thursday.

    The announcement came three days after Colbert spoke out against Paramount Global, parent company of CBS, settling with President Donald Trump over a "60 Minutes" story.

    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 18, 2025 at 09:34:17 AM EST
    he connected the $16 million settlement to Paramount's pending $8 billion merger with Skydance Media, which requires approval from the FCC and its Trump -picked  chairman, Brendan Carr.

    "The technical name in legal circles, Colbert said, is a "big fat bribe".

    It is scary that big corporations cave so readily to the fascists for economic gain. It is scary, too, that among the most courageous resistance to fascists comes from comedians, such as Colbert.  As Ukraine found its leadership in the comedian, Zelenskyy, maybe the Democrats need to look to a comedian, such as Colbert, to lead the country and fight the attack of a rogue, fascist government.

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