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Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Daily Kos

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Posted on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 04:22:21 PM EST
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Don't miss this article in the Weekly Standard on Markos and the Daily Kos, and why politicans need to take him seriously.

The Daily Kos is the most popular and important force in the blogosphere; it's a fact with which Democrats are just now coming to grips.

It recaps the history of Daily Kos, Markos' shrewd instincts, his up front acknowledgment that he is an activist, his at times in-your-face style and the undeniable fact that his is the most influential voice in the blogosphere.

And in the spirit of full disclosure, Markos designed TalkLeft in its current incarnation.

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    Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Daily Kos | 16 comments (16 topical)
    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 06:09:30 PM EST
    The article leaves out a very significant factor: that Kos was an effective fundraiser in the 2004 election cycle. He's only going to get bigger. Remember the ascendancy of the direct-mail fundraising mavens in the 80s? Kos heading in that direction. More power to him.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 06:53:00 PM EST
    I think Kos's success in changing the Democrat party can well be seen by the results of the last election. Vote or die. -C

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#3)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 07:00:51 PM EST
    I don't know Cliff. The election was actually a lot closer than I thought it would be, considering the Dems were going agains a wartime incumbent who was using every wedge issue in his quiver. All that considered, I figured the GOP would do a lot better than a mere 51% win. Kos is doing just fine for them as a rallying point and fund raiser. You go right on and keep trying to coach the other team.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 04:28:08 AM EST
    Screw em Kos' record in the last election makes the Cleveland Browns and the SF 49ers look like contenders. He is the most shrill of all bloggers on either side of the idoelogical aisle.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 05:59:18 AM EST
    Adept - Dude, I was a Democrat for my entire life - until they lost their minds around, oh, say, 9/11/01. Except for Bush/I my record was 100% Democrat for President. People like Kos, Afleck, Ted Kennedy, Carter, Moore and their ilk are the *problem* for the party, not the solution. Try to imagine JFK or RFK getting the Democrat nomination, just try. Now try FDR. Contrariwise, the Republicans would welcome Lincoln back with open arms. It's a funny world. -C

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 06:58:50 AM EST
    Kos is the most shrill? Come on, now. Matt Margolis, Pardon My English, Anti Idiotarian Rotweiller, and Rachel Lucas all have him beaten by a mile. Heck, he isn't even the most shrill left wing blogger.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 07:02:58 AM EST
    Exactly how did the democrats lose their wind after 9/11? By voting for the Patriot with only I dissenter? By voting for war with Afghanistan with only 1 dissenter? By proposing a Dept. of Homeland Security? What exactly made the party so crazy that you allegedly left it (I don't believe you were a democrat in a LONG time, if ever)

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 07:05:59 AM EST
    Try to imagine JFK or RFK getting the Democrat nomination, just try. Now try FDR. Yeah, It's pretty hard to imagine a liberal, Catholic senator with the initials JFK from Massachussets who is a decorated war hero getting the democratic nomination. I can't imagine anything like that happening in today's Democratic party. What are the odds?

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 08:03:10 AM EST
    Thank a million, Robert!!! Being from the other side of the pond, I've always wondered why quite a few Bush supporters (Jim the Poker Player and Cliff - to name a couple) in the Blogsphere, claim to be Democrats until this election, when most of them voted for the war, Patriot act, etc. Is it a values thing? Did the idea of giving a woman the right to choose suddenly become anathema to them? Personally, I don't think they ever were, but what's the angle? Why do they say it?

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 12:21:56 PM EST
    Got - Dude, if you think J "no 180 here nossir" FKerry is anything like Kennedy then you've read little or no history. Probably the perfect voter for the new JFK, come to think of it. London - There is only one critical issue, a number of important ones, and a lot of shibboleths that crop up. Abortion, in the US, is a faux issue, as is the Environment. You probably don't understand our federal system, so go ask a Yank you trust to explain why the federal government has little to do with either, despite the appearance to the contrary. -C

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 01:19:54 PM EST
    So Cliff are you saying you voted for Humphrey,McGovern,Carter,Mondale,Dukakis,Clinton and changed parties when Dubya came on the scene? And you want us to believe Dubya was so compelling that you just had to abandon the entire Democratic party. I think you are now snorting more coke than Dubya.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 01:48:30 PM EST
    Mww, Exactly! It's like the wingnuts who called CSPAN on saturday mornings during the Clinton years and sayd "Ah voted for ev'ry demmycrate since Elbie Jaye, but ah ain't votin' for 'em no more cuz there too librul". As if a pro death penalty, pro free trade, anti gay marriage, pro captical gains tax cut, pro missile defense, pro welfare reform Clinton caused them to leave the party when Mondale, Dukakis and McGovern didn't.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 02:14:54 PM EST
    Um...perhaps abortion in the US is a faux issue if you're a man. If you're a woman (or someone who routinely provides health care for them), seeing their reproductive rights systematically eroded makes abortion, and other reproductive rights issues, quite relevant. And you can spare me any ludicrous explanations to the contrary, cliff. I know my own realilty.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 02:32:39 PM EST
    Yo, Cliff, give it a rest, bro. Remember that pearls before swine thing. Yer dealing with people like Dr. Dan Dumbass who knows just knows in advance yer arguments are ludicrous. Can't talk sense to somebody who has got their own reality.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#16)
    by scarshapedstar on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 02:40:14 PM EST
    Cliff, Would the Republicans really welcome back Abe "His thighs were pure as silk" "I slept in bed with another man for 6 years" "I wrote doggerel poetry about man-on-man a** sex" Lincoln? Anyway, if you really were a Democrat for so long, I find it hard to believe you'd so willingly join the Republican horde of bloggers who think they can tear down Kos by pointing out that hardly any of "his" candidates won. It was a bad year for Democrats; that can hardly be placed on his shoulders. If you can prove to me that one of his candidates would have won had Kos not helped, then I'll be interested. Until then, it seems like the usual "friendly advice"that Republicans give which basically amounts to fighting with both hands tied behind our back. Thanks.

    Re: Best Article Yet on the Phenomenon that is Dai (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 06:33:00 PM EST
    Why did the Republicans go through with impeaching Clinton? Why did almost all of them in the Senate vote to remove? They don't think Condoleeza Rice or Alberto Gonzalez should be on the hot seat for lies and evasiveness. Most of them didn't think Clinton's evasive answers in the Paula Jones deposition were a big deal but they knew they couldn't anger the Free Republicans and Ditto-heads. Remember how Limbaugh was feted after Republicans took over Congress in '94? I think they made him an honorary Congressman. That level of direct involvement with the public comes with a price and the price was going through with impeaching Clinton when they had the chance, no matter how history scorns them in the future. So, too, the Democrats and the blogosphere. Witness Dean will be DNC Chair.

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