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Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA


While many will take General Michael Hayden's statement to Sen. Dick Durbin that he would consider an Amendment to FISA for Bush's warrantless electronic spying program as cause to support him, I don't.

Durbin, after a 35-minute meeting Wednesday with Hayden, said the nominee for CIA director told him: "With all the publicity that has surrounded this program, we may be closer to the possibility of asking for a change in FISA." "He didn't say he would," Durbin added.

Democrats should think twice before tinkering with FISA. We'll be headed down that slippery slope and the risk is that this will only be the beginning. Bush next will bring the debate from conversations between one person outside the country and one person inside the country to conversations between two people inside the country. And then there will be a move to reduce the protections in Title III, which regulates eavesdropping on Americans in criminal investigations.

Sen. Arlen Specter's proposal is terrible. The warrantless eavesdropping program has not been particularly effective.

Intelligence officers who eavesdropped on thousands of Americans in overseas calls under authority from President Bush have dismissed nearly all of them as potential suspects after hearing nothing pertinent to a terrorist threat, according to accounts from current and former government officials and private-sector sources with knowledge of the technologies in use.

....Air Force Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the nation's second-ranking intelligence officer, acknowledged in a news briefing last month that eavesdroppers "have to go down some blind alleys to find the tips that pay off." Other officials, nearly all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not permitted to discuss the program, said the prevalence of false leads is especially pronounced when U.S. citizens or residents are surveilled. No intelligence agency, they said, believes that "terrorist . . . operatives inside our country," as Bush described the surveillance targets, number anywhere near the thousands who have been subject to eavesdropping.

More on that here.

We should insist the President comply with FISA as is and get a warrant based on probable cause or use the limited emergency powers already contained in the law. The bills to amend FISA are little more than attempts to ratify what the Adminisration has been doing illegally. Remember, the war on terror has no end and any changes made likley will be with us for decades.

Senate Democrats are just falling into the Republican trap by trying to claim equal status in supporting survellance in the war on terror. They should not concede that FISA needs to be amended.

Congress should be demanding facts about Bush's NSA surveillance, not figuring out a way to legalize it. FISA already provides for wiretapping and electronic surveillance on terrorist groups like al Qaeda. Let's not make it easier for Bush to spy on Americans.

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    PPJ says "And your government of choice would be?" My government would be a legally elected one.

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#1)
    by oldtree on Wed May 10, 2006 at 01:28:09 PM EST
    i still can't believe we are having this debate? our country isn't a republic any longer, democracy is a bad joke not worth repeating if this is what we end up with. we need a police force that isn't enamored of these whores on the hill and will go in and arrest them for crimes. I am personally, disgusted.

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#2)
    by Andreas on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:18:57 PM EST
    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#3)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:20:15 PM EST
    They don't need to change the law. They need to obey it. The only reason to change it is to legitimize past violations. Period. Durbin's just another vichy Democrat. They all need to be fired.

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:22:16 PM EST
    Right, the Congress needs to find out exactly what's been going on and then somehow get the administration to submit to congressional oversight. Without that, what's the point of changing laws, when Bush has made it clear that he doesn't consider himself bound by them?

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#5)
    by chemoelectric on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:25:38 PM EST
    Democrats making deals on Bush's neo-Soviet spy programs is like France and England giving Czechoslovakia to Hitler because, they said, doing so would prevent war. It merely delayed war a little, probably making things worse.

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:32:06 PM EST
    Did we expect anything less? Our country is in the toilet thanks to the republican corrupt agenda.. we may never come out.. in the meantime one of the biggest republican pricks around is on Hardball right now.. Ed Rogers vile hate monger wish they'd all self implode :(

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:32:54 PM EST
    They don't need to change the law. They need to obey it.
    I don't know; you gals and your common sense, what's a man to do?

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:37:52 PM EST
    BJ. Where else would they be, I mean how many times in the past has Tweety bitten off more than he could felate?

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 03:48:15 PM EST
    Wasn't there a report that the agencies complained about being overwhelmed by wiretap info, including a lot of "pizza orders" they had to listen to? I mean, has Domino's outsourced to Canada? Who orders pizza across a national boundary?

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#10)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed May 10, 2006 at 04:06:57 PM EST
    Oscar, I am not a women. And don't get any ideas. Didn't your namesake spend time in the slammer for being a ...um...Homersexual?

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed May 10, 2006 at 04:39:23 PM EST
    Pretty soon, we will all be like criminals in our search for privacy. Strictly pay phones and dark alleys.

    The "controversial" nomination of Michael Hayden was deliberately designed to take attention off of why Goss resigned in the first place. And it's working...

    Oh hum :blush: Forgive me, It's not often I am right and I'm wrong again. All I can offer it must be (Wrong) word association. I read your name and see Chaise Longue , a quite femine piece of furniture, hence I have you dressed in twin set and pearls. Now in future I will be thinking, "I bet he's a hairy a***d lumberjack" I shall endevour to make amends in a suitable limerick, but 'tis middle of the night and I am just risen for a cup of tea. Anon. As for poor old Oscar, I guess that was on the charge sheet, but what he realy went down for was taking on the establishment. If things don't change they'll stop as they are, and all that.

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#14)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed May 10, 2006 at 09:32:49 PM EST
    Oscar, LOL. No offense taken. More midwestern WASP than lumberjack. Back OT, somebody ask Hayden to recite the 4th. He'll take the 5th.

    I envisaged a tutu and dancing ballet, His retort, call yourself Oscar is it you're gay. So never assume, Be it bride or be groom. But in good heart took it our MAN Che.

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 11, 2006 at 06:24:55 AM EST
    oldtree writes:
    democracy is a bad joke not worth repeating if this is what we end up with.
    And your government of choice would be?

    Re: Michael Hayden: Might Consider Amending FISA (none / 0) (#17)
    by SeeEmDee on Thu May 11, 2006 at 06:32:28 AM EST
    Rommel, when he heard his Fuhrer's totally unrealistic plans for a defense of the Western Front from the inevitable Allied invasion, privately described them as "wolke-cuckooks-heim" - "Cloud-cuckoo-land". That confirmation of Hitler's madness drove Rommel to join the cabal that unsuccessfully tried to assassinate Hitler. The NeoCon's version of a Middle Eastern 'cloudcuckooland' has dragged the US into a insanely bloody meatgrinder. Any wonder why some of our own Generals are quietly grumbling? But don't expect such bought-and-paid-for shills like Hayden to speak out... Prior to the better known CIA 'purges' of analyst personnel who disagreed with the Administration's stance regarding intel about Iraq not having WMD's, Hayden was busily consolidating his position at NSA with purges of his own. Now with Goss gone after starting the purges at Langley, Mr. Bush needs another intel 'Lysenko' to finish the job Goss started. Hayden is evidently the man for the job, who will ensure CIA provides whatever half-baked, half-@$$ed justification necessary for the NeoCons to order an attack on "Eye-ran". God help us all if they succeed in initiating hostilities...

    The NeoCon's version of a Middle Eastern 'cloudcuckooland'
    Fear not help is at hand. Can you spot PPJ in the vanguard?