what the hell do we have elections for if they deny the wishes of the populace?

"I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

The only government that will tell us to leave is the Iraqi one and they still want us there

Molly Invins gets her facts from liberal fantasy world.

Why do people need to exagerate to make their point?

President Bush, just back from Iraq, dismissed calls for a U.S. withdrawal as election-year politics and refused to give a timetable or benchmark for success that would allow troops to come home.

how come we can train a US Marine for deployment in about 6 months, but we can't train Iraqis for deployment in 2 years?

Can anyone tell me a war that was won by the use of a public time for withdrawal?

Sailor - Proof. Repeat after me. "Molly Ivins."

I still can't understand why these rethugs won't volunteer to go fight in a war they support.

SD - All branches have met their YTD objectives. I posted that two days ago. Why are you trying to hint otherwise??

Of course some people prefer the Jacksonian Wizard Hiram Evans.

As Hiram W. Evans, the surprisingly articulate Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, wrote in 1926, the old stock American of his time had become "a stranger in large parts of the land his fathers gave him. Moreover, he is a most unwelcome stranger, one much spit upon, and one to whom even the right to have his own opinions and to work for his own interests is now denied with jeers and revilings. 'We must Americanize the Americans,' a distinguished immigrant said recently."

What came next surprised almost everyone. The tables turned, and Evans' Americans "americanized" the immigrants rather than the other way around. In what is still a largely unheralded triumph of the melting pot, Northern immigrants gradually assimilated the values of Jacksonian individualism. Each generation of new Americans was less "social" and more individualistic than the preceding one.

SD - So your comment was wrong. Okay.

Only one conclusion can be drawn: the war in Iraq will not be ended through legislative action, which the Democrats, in any case, will not seriously pursue. Both of the official bourgeois parties, the Democrats no less than the Republicans, are committed to an open-ended American military occupation of the oil-rich country. ... The debates in both houses of Congress were sought by the Republicans, not the Democrats, and they reflect a White House decision, as spelled out Thursday in the New York Times, to make the Iraq war a central issue in the fall election campaign. The purpose, of course, is not to have a genuine national debate about the Iraq war. Instead, the White House seeks to delegitimize opposition to the war and equate it with treasonous capitulation to the terrorists. There is a profound social and political logic behind this brazen defiance of popular sentiment. It expresses the outlook of a narrow financial oligarchy that controls both political parties and is entrenching itself ever more firmly atop American society. It has no intention of allowing the views of the people or what it considers democratic shibboleths, such as congressional votes or elections, to stand in the way of its single-minded pursuit of ever-greater personal wealth. The systematic closing off of every institutional avenue for the expression of popular sentiments and interests shows that the protracted decay of American democracy, made inevitable by the staggering concentration of wealth at the very top of society, is openly assuming the forms of oligarchic rule.

What say you about the recent disclosure that over 500 WMDs have been found?

Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday they have no evidence that Iraq produced chemical weapons after the 1991 Gulf War, despite recent reports from media outlets and Republican lawmakers.

So again we have a Jondee lie exposed.

I have stronger chemicals under my kitchen sink.

Let's invade and occupy Home Depot before they pass the chemicals on to the terr'ists.

You know, I find your attitude unsurprisingly biased and you refusal to consider new information totally common and leftist.

Squeaky - Your smear doesn't work. Mead clearly states that the KKK's expected blood letting didn't work, that Evans' "immigrants," who he expected to do his dirty work by creating a separate political and cultural group for the KKK