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U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing Female Iraqi

This is very bad, I sure hope it isn't true. Five U.S. troops are being investigated for rape and murder :

Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in Iraq, a U.S. military official said Friday.

The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of assaulting in the March incident, the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Site of the incident: Mahmoudiyah, south of Baghdad.

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    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 09:49:08 AM EST
    Yes...these unspeakably terrible things happen in war. Which is why you don't go looking for war...like our criminals and chiefs did. May the future forgive us.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#2)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 09:51:02 AM EST
    These five are from the same platoon as the two soldiers captured, killed and booby-trapped last week, but the alleged murders happened in March.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 10:58:59 AM EST
    Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in Iraq Reuters has the story as well as AP, but adds the phrase "including a child" to the description of the family members killed... The Reuters article also adds this report of admirable restraint (sigh):
    U.S. officials say killings of civilians by U.S. troops at checkpoints and on convoy duties have dropped sharply to about one a week now from one a day last year due to new efforts.
    Only one a week. Great...

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#4)
    by Punchy on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 11:20:48 AM EST
    Dirt, meet broom and underside of rug. "Cleared of all charges" in 5 days or less.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#5)
    by Sailor on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 11:21:20 AM EST
    edger, they say that the numbers have dropped, but they refuse to provide the numbers, and the number you quoted was originally from a 22 June article. Here's an article from 26 june:
    Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, [...] ``We have people who were on the fence or supported us who in the last two years or three years have in fact decided to strike out against us. And you have to ask: Why is that? And I would argue in many instances we are our own worst enemy,'' Chiarelli said.
    U.S. officials previously have said they don't keep track of civilian causalities, and Iraqi officials stopped releasing numbers of U.S.-caused casualties after Knight Ridder reported in September 2004 that the Iraqi Ministry of Health had attributed more than twice as many civilian deaths to the actions of U.S. forces than to ``terrorist'' attacks during the period from June to September 2004.
    Chiarelli declined to release the numbers, but he said U.S. soldiers are killing and injuring fewer Iraqi civilians this year in so-called ``escalation of force'' incidents at checkpoints and near convoys than they did in July of last year, when officials first started tracking the statistic.


    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 11:27:47 AM EST
    the Iraqi Ministry of Health had attributed more than twice as many civilian deaths to the actions of U.S. forces than to "terrorist" attacks Thanks for the correction and the link, Sailor. It just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it? (/sad sarcasm)

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 11:31:54 AM EST
    It gets worse. From the updated Yahoo/AP story:
    According to a senior Army official, the alleged incident was first revealed by a soldier during a routine counseling-type session. The official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said that soldier did not witness the incident but heard about it. A second soldier, who also was not involved, said he overhead soldiers conspiring to commit the crimes, and then later saw bloodstains on their clothes, the official said. He also said the four people killed included three adults and a child, and one of the adults was the woman who allegedly was raped.
    Things are not looking good - it looks like these guys were covering, or intimidated into silence. FWIW, in the military a "counseling-type session" covers the area from sitting down with a shrink to getting your a*s chewed by a superior, with most of them being toward the latter end of that continuum.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#8)
    by Sailor on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 11:52:33 AM EST
    So, hows that WOT going you ask? Ehh, not so good: First up, Iraq:
    U.S. isn't winning its war on terror, experts tell poll
    More than eight in 10 American terrorism and national security experts don't agree with President Bush's claims that the U.S. is winning the fight against terrorism, and the Iraq war is the biggest reason why, according to a poll released Wednesday.
    And now for Afghanistan
    Corruption and coalition failures spur Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan
    KABUL, Afghanistan -- The United States and its allies have been forced to launch their biggest military operation of the war here because in the 55 months since ousting the Taliban movement from power, they neglected to establish minimal security or governance in the country's south, analysts say. [...] "If we had made efforts on this scale five years ago, we would be in a much stronger position than we are now," said James Dobbins, a former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan
    And why didn't we pay more attention?
    Nato: Taliban's resurgence due to world focus on Iraq
    British General David Richards said he was "optimistic" of defeating the movement, whose recent resurgence has led to the worst violence in Afghanistan since the Taliban were toppled by United States-led forces in late 2001.
    "There's no doubt there is a resurgent Taliban problem," he told the BBC's Pashtu-language service late on Thursday.
    "Why? Largely it's because people took their eye off this ball and a vacuum was allowed to develop and that vacuum was filled by the Taliban.


    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#9)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 12:15:19 PM EST
    If you want some insight in why Iraqis hate the soldiers read this first hand account by Nir Rosen Well worth the time.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 12:23:19 PM EST
    Sailor, Yep, they took their eye off the ball in Afghanistan to squat their balls onto the eyes of Iraqis. With the predictable result. And that my little brother went from Baghdad TO Afghanistan makes it all the worse. I just wanna smack all these chickenhawk punks, every one of them, with their unfulfilled military wet dreams turned into everyone's dismal reality. Children. Powerful, selfish, vengeful children. And our national mind gets wasted a little more and a little more every day.

    You can't look at this in a vacuum. The military has been caught up for not doing criminal background checks and, in light of dismal recruitment numbers, have been not only accepting, but targeting, people who otherwise would not have been allowed to, among other things, handle live ammo. On my MySpace blog I have a video which details the current gang activity extant in the military in Iraq. If you recruit gangstas and thugs, and make it your policy to do so, are you totally without fault for their actions?

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#12)
    by beefeater on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 02:56:48 PM EST
    This is the kind of crap we get whenever we send our "fine young men" around the world. Bring all the troops home now! Germany, Japan, Korea all of them. Disband the military and let the rest of the world take care of themselves. It's no wonder the rest of the world hates us.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#13)
    by Sailor on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 05:30:29 PM EST
    When you put look at any population of many tens of thousands of young men, whether in war or in Detroit, statistically some bad ones will do very nasty things.
    This isn't a 'random' sampling, this is our 'best and brightest' ... only a wrongwinger would excuse calulated rape and murder.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#14)
    by Patrick on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 05:49:26 PM EST
    Sailor, While I agree that many in today's voluntary military service are the best and brightest, there is no foolproof screening process that will ensure some bad eggs don't get through. I don't think it excuses any crime, but illuminates the fallacy of generalizing the behavior of the few into a label on the many, do you disagree?

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 06:07:58 PM EST
    Another Turning Point in Iraq
    American street gangs, taking advantage of the lower recruitment standards made necessary by Bush's abuse of the military, are getting their members enlisted in order to capitalize on their military training and connections when they return to their neighborhoods. As the Chicago Sun-Times reports: The Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings and Vice Lords were born decades ago in Chicago's most violent neighborhoods. Now, their gang graffiti is showing up 6,400 miles away in one of the world's most dangerous neighborhoods - Iraq. Armored vehicles, concrete barricades and bathroom walls all have served as canvasses for their spray-painted gang art. At Camp Cedar II, about 185 miles southeast of Baghdad, a guard shack was recently defaced with "GDN" for Gangster Disciple Nation, along with the gang's six-pointed star and the word "Chitown," a soldier who photographed it said. ... Of paramount concern is whether gang-affiliated soldiers' training will make them deadly urban warriors when they return to civilian life and if some are using their access to military equipment to supply gangs at home, said Barfield and other experts. I tell you, this Iraq war idea has been a winner all around.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 06:51:49 PM EST
    The wingnuts love that Agenda word dont they? Everybody has an agenda. Sometimes I wonder if they see people at all, or if it's all just "agendas" walking around. Rogan, did it ever occur to you that a vital part of some peoples agenda might be the prevention of unnecessary suffering and that they see this war and occupation as doing more to create it than to prevent it? Thats a hell of an assumption you make about what motivates Kdog.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#17)
    by Al on Fri Jun 30, 2006 at 11:26:37 PM EST
    When you put look at any population of many tens of thousands of young men, whether in war or in Detroit, statistically some bad ones will do very nasty things.(rogan1313)
    Statistics? You like statistics? Here's some statistics: Probability of Iraqi women getting raped and then murdered along with their families by invading soldiers if the US had not invaded Iraq: Zero. Probability of an Iraqi pregnant woman getting shot by an American soldier while on the way to hospital to give birth if the US had not invaded Iraq: Zero. Here's some more statistics: Usefulness of the invasion of Iraq in reducing recuitment by Al-Qaeda: Zero. Wait, I have more statistics: Reported number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the US-led occupation, according to Iraq Body Count: 43,000. Approximate number of homicide victims in Detroit in the same time period: 1,500. Anus.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#19)
    by Sailor on Sat Jul 01, 2006 at 12:33:28 PM EST
    Sailor [...] I don't think it excuses any crime, but illuminates the fallacy of generalizing the behavior of the few into a label on the many, do you disagree?
    Patrick, in principle I agree. But I think between the torture at the prisons, the number of iraqi civilian deaths, the willingness to use airstrikes in a populated neighborhood to kill one suspected 'terrorist', bushco claims that prisoners aren't to be treated according to the GenCons and Convention against torture, etc. have produced a culture where things like this are enabled. Besides were not talking about 1 soldier going wild, we're talking about units doing it and covering it up. And you're right, I was a bit snarky about the 'best and brightest', that was a reference to Halberstam's book about Vietnam and the policy makers who imbroiled us there.

    The thing with war is that it is about killing and controlling other people. It's not unlike rape on a national scale (and historically war has often been compared to raping a country), so it's sad but not surprising that rape accompanies war. They didn't just kill people in My Lai. In civilian life there are lots of ways for young men to get their yayas without breaking the law: girlfriends, prostitutes, the privacy of your own hand in your own home. All those things are hard to find in a war zone. Add to that the anger and need to control the population and you have a dangerous mix. Another reason not to create unneeded wars. It dehumanizes your young men.

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 01, 2006 at 01:42:26 PM EST
    Iraq Is the Republic of Fear By Nir Rosen
    Under the reign of Saddam Hussein, dissidents called Iraq "the republic of fear" and hoped it would end when Hussein was toppled. But the war, it turns out, has spread the fear democratically. Now the terror is not merely from the regime, or from U.S. troops, but from everybody, everywhere.
    ...
    Today, the Americans are just one more militia lost in the anarchy. They, too, are killing Iraqis.
    ...
    The world wonders if Iraq is on the brink of civil war, while Iraqis fear calling it one, knowing the fate such a description would portend. In truth, the civil war started long before Samarra and long before the first uprisings. It started when U.S. troops arrived in Baghdad. It began when Sunnis discovered what they had lost, and Shiites learned what they had gained. And the worst is yet to come.


    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 01, 2006 at 02:19:02 PM EST
    GIs May Have Planned Iraq Rape, Slayings
    BEIJI, Iraq (AP) - Investigators believe a group of U.S. soldiers suspected of raping an Iraqi woman, then killing her and three members of her family plotted the attack for nearly a week, a U.S. military official said Saturday.
    ...
    The soldiers had studied their victims for about a week and the attack was "totally premeditated," the official said on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.


    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#18)
    by Andreas on Sat Jul 01, 2006 at 04:31:30 PM EST
    The WSWS writes:
    The most recent revelations cast a sharper light on previous infamies, from the sexually perverse abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib to the leveling of large parts of Fallujah. They expose utterly the official lie that the photos of American soldiers lording it over naked, humiliated and helpless Iraqis at Abu Ghraib were mere aberrations--the actions of a few "bad apples." No. These images were snapshots of the conditioning of the American "volunteer Army" to carry out a criminal mission, one that requires the disintegration of all humane and democratic instincts, affecting not only the victims of US violence, but inflicting irreparable psychological, emotional and moral damage on those who carry it out. ... Another US atrocity in Iraq By Kate Randall, 1 July 2006

    Re: U.S. Soldiers Investigated for Rape, Killing F (none / 0) (#23)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 03, 2006 at 05:58:22 AM EST
    This case is starting to look like I had feared it would. The lead from today's papers:
    Fifteen-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza was afraid, her mother confided in a neighbor. As pretty as she was young, the girl had attracted the unwelcome attention of U.S. soldiers manning a checkpoint that the girl had to pass through almost daily in their village in the south-central city of Mahmudiyah, her mother told the neighbor. Abeer told her mother again and again in her last days that the soldiers had made advances toward her, a neighbor, Omar Janabi, said this weekend, recounting a conversation he said he had with the girl's mother, Fakhriyah, on March 10.
    The WaPo buries this on page A15 and in a single line on the website; the Star-Ledger does have it A1 above the fold, but only in the print version. I suspect the MSM would desperately like to see this story go f'g away. But, what appears to have happened is this (my conclusions, drawn from media reports): Several troopers of the 502 manned the same checkpoint on a regular basis. They saw a very pretty girl who had to pass through their checkpoint on a regular basis. They began paying her unwanted attention (who knows what that was; the point is it was unwelcome). At some point, the girl and her family became aware that (a) she was the object of the soldiers' desire and (b) they were likely to come for her. (b) necessarily implies that either they said something to the effect of "give it up or else" or that "you must be an insurgent, not wanting to have anything to do with us" (or something similar). By this time, they knew their attention was unwelcome, but they didn't care. The girl's family sought to have a neighbor hide her so, when the Americans came, they would not get her. For whatever reason* that fell through. The Americans came, raped her, killed her family, tried to burn her body, and covered up their crime by attributing it to sectarian violence. In the victims' culture, rape is a matter of family dishonor which can only be dissolved by blood revenge. (Inference: since the girl's family was wiped out by the soldiers, it likely fell to more distant relatives to take care of this expiation.) A couple of months pass. The same unit continues to patrol in the same area. Three of the soldiers are killed while on outpost/checkpoint duty, one immediately. The other two are captured, moved, tortured, beheaded, mutilated, and their bodies left in the open and booby-trapped (by inference, left out for the dogs and vultures). The soldiers' conspiracy to rape, murder and obstruct justice comes out only when one of their fellow platoon-mates breaks the story during a counseling session post the capture and killing of the soldiers. One of the soldiers in the platoon heard/knew about it, another saw them getting blood off their clothes. One of the conspirators allegedly confesses after the investigation gets going. Conclusion: The soldiers were killed as a matter of revenge by extended family and/or locals knew who exactly whom they were targeting. This was personal. Interestingly, early media reports on the capture and abduction of the soldiers indicated one of them had been alone on an outpost. It is drilled into every soldier and officer to never, never, never leave a single soldier as an outpost. This is for all sorts of useful reasons, but most of all so loneliness, fear of the unknown and dark (or sleep) will not overcome the soldier performing his duty. If it is true that one of the soldiers was left alone - someone violated this cardinal rule, and I'd be willing to put $5 on that someone knowing there was something coming from the locals for those three. --- * interestingly, the neighbor didn't want to believe it, saying "Americans don't do that sort of thing".