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By Jeralyn, Section War on Terror
Posted on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:54:26 AM EST
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If this isn't enough to make you sick then you're too ill for a cure.

The first -- the attention grab, involving the rough shaking of a prisoner.

Second -- the attention slap, an open-handed slap to the face.

Third -- belly slap, meant to cause temporary pain, but no internal injuries.

Fourth -- long-term standing and sleep deprivation, 40 hours at least, described as the most effective technique.

Fifth -- the cold room. Prisoners left naked in cells kept in the 50s and frequently doused with cold water.

The CIA sources say the sixth, and harshest, technique was called "water boarding," in which a prisoner's face was covered with cellophane, and water is poured over it (pictured above) -- meant to trigger an unbearable gag reflex.

It's been widely reported that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh were subjected to these techniques. Bush now wants to send them to Guantanamo for military trials. Under Bush's proposed rules, they could be excluded from being present at their own trials.

My interpretation and shorter version: Mohammed and Binalshibh are now vegetables but we'll never know because they will be tried without anyone ever seeing them.

Post-script: Why doesn't the mainstream media, in current reporting on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, write about what the U.S. did to his young sons?

The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. Last night CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities.

"We are handling them with kid gloves. After all, they are only little children," said one official, "but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care."

Their father, Mohammed, 37, is being interrogated at the Bagram US military base in Afghanistan. He is being held in solitary confinement and subjected to "stress and duress"-style interrogation techniques. He has been told that his sons are being held and he is being encouraged to divulge future attacks against the West and talk about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.

"He has said very little so far," one CIA official said yesterday. "He sits in a trance-like state and recites verses from the Koran. But while he may claim to be a devout Muslim, we know he is fond of the Western-style fast life.

"His sons are important to him. The promise of their release and their return to Pakistan may be the psychological lever we need to break him."

Water-boarding apparently did the trick.

According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

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    Authorized Interrogation Techniques | 34 comments (34 topical)
    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#1)
    by chemoelectric on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 11:45:56 PM EST
    It's been widely reported that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh were subjected to these techniques. Bush now wants to send them to Guantanamo for military trials.
    There's more to this, I think. Bush moves these guys, who have been tortured and so cannot easily be tried fairly, to Guantanamo, then says to his congressional comrades that they must make the torture retroactively 'legal', and free the Bush-Cheney crew from war crimes prosecution (and theoretically possible lethal injection), and 'legalize' kangaroo court trials, or else a court will force the release of the al Qaeda thugs.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:24:35 AM EST
    From the article:
    Among the items found was a photograph of a smiling Mohammed with his arms around his two sons. Known as "The Engineer", he is suspected of being the mastermind of the Bali bombings and the man who slashed the throat of Daniel Pearl, the American reporter, in Pakistan in January 2002.
    I wonder how many photograps of dead fathers with their children exist because of this man? How many children were on the 9/11 flights? How many families? Thousands? Tens of thousands? I am conflicted over the two children, they should have neen left with the authorities in Pakistan, but these guys? They need a tribunal and a hanging.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#7)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 07:10:27 AM EST
    I am conflicted over the two children, they should have neen left with the authorities in Pakistan, but these guys? They need a tribunal and a hanging.
    What is your objection to a fair trial, with evidence and the opportunity for the accused to present a defense? You know, the rights YOU or Charlie Manson or Tim McVeigh are entitled to. Remember, the accusers are the same people who assured us that there were WMD in Iraq, and only a fool would trust them again without considerable evidence. What do they have to hide from American citizens and the world that they do not want a trial to be public and on the record? As soon as my government tells me I do not have a right to know what they are doing, I want even more to know it. Odd, isn't it, that this used to be considered a "conservative" position? What should we do about a president who let 3000 Americans die through incompetence and killed another 3000 through strategic misadventure, as well as tens of thousands of Iraqis? Unlike you, I have a conscience, and to suggest we torture and hang penny-ante murderers who have killed at best a few hundred people, while letting Mr. Bush off the hook for the tens of thousands of deaths he is responsible for, is hypocrisy of the highest order. Those other murderers did not commit their crimes in my name, and the deaths they caused, while tragic and despicable, are not on my conscience, but every person killed by George W. Bush is. I have a hard time sleeping at night, knowing that this murderer is still getting away with it and that the country I proudly served in my youth is letting him do it. Just to remind you, I am a US Army veteran, and my patriotism is beyond question. Don't even go there.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 08:36:45 AM EST
    RePack - No, they aren't the same people, and even if they were, so what? Your charge clearly shows, again, that you have a bias against the Bush Administration and you clearly do not support the WOT. So, with you bias clearly identified, I note that you wrote:
    You know, the rights YOU or Charlie Manson or Tim McVeigh are entitled to.
    These killers aren't US Citizens, RePack. So why do you think they deserve the rights of US citizens? How can you possibly give them a standard issue US trial, etc. It would be impossible to have one if for no other reason that the evidence chain could never be pure enough to satisfy our standards for such a trial. So, like it or not, we need tribunals. And just for those want to know, I wish that wasn't true. But in the real world, we do. And your steady repetition of "Bush killed...Bush didn't protect.. 9/11.." after reading all of the links I gave you yesterday that show him increasing funding, warning all the agencies, etc., show that you have lost touch with reality and have no information, no facts, just claims. As for your veteran status, since you brought the subject up, that proves absolutely nothing. You, in your heart of hearts, will judge yourself as to your support for those who now serve and die, and in the dark of the night when all is still truth will come and you will know it. Sleep well.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#13)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 09:37:16 AM EST
    Yeah sleep well knowing That we target children just like they do. What a despicable nation we have become to imprison children to extort information from their parents.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#15)
    by The Heretik on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 09:53:36 AM EST
    We should all be really proud we celebrate our ideals by looking the other way on this. Only by adopting the ways of the enemy can we defeat the enemy. Actions, not intent, define us.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 10:57:34 AM EST
    My second favourite blogger (what a suck up) has my favourite talk show host featured in a clip with R. rep Darrell Issa. I have no idea what his stance was previous, but truthspeak like this is not something I thought a Republican was capable of.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#17)
    by soccerdad on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 10:58:17 AM EST
    We are becoming what we say we despise.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:33:01 AM EST
    Repack... You know, the rights YOU or Charlie Manson or Tim McVeigh are entitled to.\ Sorry, but the above named gentlemen were at least US citizens! What is it with you guys thinking that these terrorists have access (rights) to the US courts? You do know that has NEVER been done at any time during any war in US history? What makes any of you think it applies here? What are you people thinking???? Never mind..that is a rhetorical question. I already know your political agenda. What should we do about a president who let 3000 Americans die through incompetence Bill Clinton? He was impeached...but not for that of course. However, it just so happens there is a movie about that coming out on ABC this week and I'm sure Billy is not pleased! Oh well...sucks to be him. Undeniable LIb.... We should use the model of the Nuremberg trials. Of course those trials were public They were not held in 'public' courts! They were military tribunals that were televised. BIG difference! I'd have no problem with that....I'd like to see them Che'... That we target children just like they do. Either prove this is done...or stfu about it!

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#20)
    by soccerdad on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:39:29 AM EST
    Why is it that the people so pumped up about fighting "islamofascists" are themselves fascists?

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    If it's OK for the US to torture these guys, how come the US has treated Saddam better than most poor blacks would get in the US courts? How come you armchair torture cheerleaders aren't demanding Saddam be subjected to the same treatment? His wife and other family are safe and untouched, probably rich as hell. Is it because our Leader knows Saddam is of the same elite group as he is?

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    It would be impossible to have one if for no other reason that the evidence chain could never be pure enough to satisfy our standards for such a trial.
    I guess if you cant meet the standards then lower your standards. The Bush strategy in a nutshell. As Repack alluded to, if by now you still trust the Bushies you are either a shill or a fool.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    Just as an historical note, the nuremburg trials were held after the war was over and the public airing of details wasn't a threat to ongoing operations. I'm fine with that in this case if you want to wait. However the current war is not over and may not be for a very long time. The Nuremburg trials would never have taken place while the war was in progress. Somehow, it never gets mentioned that when these people pick up one of our boys they saw their heads off in front of a video camera or parade their mutilated bodies through the streets in pretty short order. When you manage even a scintilla of outrage for the real abuses on the other side than maybe you will have some standing for complaining about the legal niceities of what we are doing. And please don't lecture me on moral equivalance and being better than them, rather ask yourself this question: Would you rather be picked up by the US Army and sent to GITMO or picked up by the insurgents in Iraq and made into a video?

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#18)
    by libdevil on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    I don't know how many pictures of dead fathers we can blame on these guys. But it's somewhere in the thousands, at most. That puts it an order of magnitude or more lower than the number that we can blame on our own "freely elected" President. Bush is a disgrace. If he were running Columbia and doing the same things he's doing here, we'd send the Marines to drag his butt off to be tried for his crimes.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#21)
    by MiddleOfTheRoad on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    Non citizens have access to US courts. It happens all the time with persons having green cards, persons with tourist visas and student visas, and with the illegals. None of the people I mentioned are US citizens. Will Bush allow a Nuremberg like trial?

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 01:40:58 PM EST
    So, say you decide to take a nice little vacation in Europe and as you're strolling down the Champs d' Elysee, a van pulls up and 3 thugs pull you into the van, putting a bag over your head. Your not told what's going on, but later you recognize that you're on an airplane, after which you're drugged a wake up in a very cold prison cell, naked. You finally get a chance to talk to someone who accuses you of being a terrorist. You protest that you aren't, you don't know anything and this is all a horrible mistake. You're tortured and wareboarded until you confess to being a terrorist, because by that time, you'll confess to anything. After over a year, your capors finally realize that you're not a terrorist and they've made a mistake. But, you don't know because they never tell you that, instead your dropped off at night in a foreign forest with no money and no identification. I'm thinking that you would think that any country that did that to you should be bombed off the face of the earth because of their barberous treatment of you. what kind of godless dictatorship would act like that? Why, the U. S. of A. of course! The preceeding actually happened to an innocent German citizen. Remember, they hate us because we love freedom!

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#26)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:05:38 PM EST
    No, they aren't the same people, and even if they were, so what?
    Bull. The president is representing this.
    Your charge clearly shows, again, that you have a bias against the Bush Administration and you clearly do not support the WOT.
    I have a "bias" against corruption, incompetence and lies, which are qualities epitomized by the Bush cabal. I do NOT support the "War on Terror" because it is nothing more than a SLOGAN, and slogans are the only damn thing these fools do well. Actual accomplishments are few and far between, but not self-congratulations like "Misdsion Accomplished.". How well did "Just say no" work on stopping the drug traffic? The "War on Terror" is just as effective, and of course attacking Iraq in the name of WOT proves that it is bull$hit all the way. It's a way of rationalizing the irrational to the rubes, and you are still buying it.
    [Charlie Manson and Tim McVeigh] aren't US Citizens, RePack. So why do you think they deserve the rights of US citizens?
    I dunno, maybe because I think that justice doesn't care who you are or where you are born, but is the same for everyone. If we think our ways are superior to those of dictatorships, why not use them universally?
    How can you possibly give them a standard issue US trial, etc. It would be impossible to have one if for no other reason that the evidence chain could never be pure enough to satisfy our standards for such a trial. So, like it or not, we need tribunals.
    Why shouldn't evidence be required to imprison ANYONE? IF THE MILITARY DOESN'T HAVE EVIDENCE, WHY ARE THEY HOLDING THESE PEOPLE?
    And your steady repetition of "Bush killed...Bush didn't protect.. 9/11.." after reading all of the links I gave you yesterday that show him increasing funding, warning all the agencies, etc., show that you have lost touch with reality and have no information, no facts, just claims.
    As part of his preparation then, why was his response to an attack on the United States to read to kids and pose for photos, and why, as the 9/11 commission stated, didn't he contact the JCS to ask a single question? Why, if what you say is correct, was the response so woeful and uncoordinated? These guys talk a big game, and deliver less than zero.
    As for your veteran status, since you brought the subject up, that proves absolutely nothing.
    You a vet Jim? It's the reason I anguish over the squandering of my brothers and sisters in arms. If you haven't served, what is the biggest, most important sacrifice you have made in the name of patriotism, just so we can compare?
    You, in your heart of hearts, will judge yourself as to your support for those who now serve and die, and in the dark of the night when all is still truth will come and you will know it.
    Your cruelty and hatred are noted.
    Sleep well.
    If I only had my own deeds to consider, I would.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#27)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:18:48 PM EST
    What is it with you guys thinking that these terrorists have access (rights) to the US courts?
    Sorry, but [Charles Manson and Tim McVeigh] were at least US citizens! You do know that has NEVER been done at any time during any war in US history?
    What is your problem with improving things?
    What makes any of you think it applies here?
    The anthropomorphization of justice is a blindfolded woman holding a scale. Justice is supposed to be blind, and measure you according to the same scales used for everyone. If we are supposed to be exporting democracy and the American way, then we have to agree that it applies to everyone.
    What are you people thinking???? Never mind..that is a rhetorical question. I already know your political agenda.
    Justice. In case you were going to suggest it was anything else. Repack: What should we do about a president who let 3000 Americans die through incompetence
    Bill Clinton? He was impeached...but not for that of course. However, it just so happens there is a movie about that coming out on ABC this week and I'm sure Billy is not pleased! Oh well...sucks to be him.
    Who was president on 9/11? How long after he leaves office does Clinton have to be responsible for what George W. Bush does? Do you blame Clinton when you stub your toe? I think I undersand your agenda here. [Che]:...That we target children just like they do.
    Either prove this is done...or stfu about it!
    During the early days of the Iraqupation US forces used this tactic on several Iraqis they were looking for, and they did not keep it a secret from the embedded reporters.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#4)
    by Richard Aubrey on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:51:22 PM EST
    By the time I'd finished OCS, I'd been subject to worse than the first five. A week cold and wet. Hell, my father spent two months cold, wet, 'way short on sleep, also food, with the additional benefit of being shot at and occasionally hit. He got warm once he was in a hospital. And nearby explosions are worse than a grab or belly slap, even if they don't hit you with fragments. You can feign horror if you wish, but normal people know better, because many of them have experienced worse. You were also absent when worse was done by enemies of the US (which, under the doctrine of the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the US is my enemy)who were your friends. So your principles, if such exist, are on display. As you apparently don't get.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:51:22 PM EST
    They need a tribunal and a hanging.
    I think they'd consider themselves lucky if that's all they got. Hanging is more humane than what we're doing.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:51:22 PM EST
    "but these guys? They need a tribunal and a hanging." How do you know you have the "right" bad guy? If you think it is OK to "off" an innocent person in the name of all those "thousands" of dead fathers then, you sir, are guilty of murder. The difference between you and "The Engineer" is that we know who and what you are, we don't know for certain who "The Engineer" is. After all, how many "#2 insurgents" did we capture in Iraq? I lost count after 42. In any case, I would imagine the abuse we imposed on his sons will become public in 15 to 20 years. When one or both sons commit "terror" on US citizens (assuming we still have a country worth living in) who will you blame, the sons or the admin. abusing the sons? and please, when the boys grow up and find out the US used them as patsies to secure their father, they will not be very understanding of the US reasons. and, that, my ignorant friend, is guaranteed.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:51:22 PM EST
    When you're young and naive it's an article of faith bad people get caught and get what's coming to them. Only when you're older do you realize criminals often get away with their crimes. The more heinous the unpunished crime and noteworthy the perpetrator the greater the degree your faith is shaken in the proper order of things. That Bush will never swing from a rope is immeasurably depressing and proof positive bad people don't always get what's coming to them.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 05:51:22 PM EST
    When a person uses torture, does not believe in a fair trial unless forced and kidnaps children as hostages, they can never ever be trusted to keep their savagery in check, even Americans.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#29)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 06:04:55 PM EST
    I have been waiting years to use the word "anthropomorphization" in a sentence.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#30)
    by John Mann on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 09:29:59 PM EST
    Jim:
    I wonder how many photograps of dead fathers with their children exist because of this man?
    Weird. I was wondering the same thing when I saw a photo of Mr. Bush and his daughters.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 10:20:54 PM EST
    RePack - When you can show some support for the families of people killed by these terrorists, get back to me. John Mann - See above. Sky-Ho - It appears that you are ready to convict me but not the terrorists. So, what's new? Got any hot new information nobody else knows about? Mary writes:
    and yet on the other hand say there is no way there is any evidence that would convince a military or civilian court.
    Since you can even get what I said 10 or so comments above yours, why do you expect me to pay any attention? I never said they couldn't be convicted in military tribunals, I said they couldn't in regular US CJ trials because the evidence wold be tossed. And somehow I don't think the Nuremberg trials were exact copies of the US system. If I remember, the jury was a group of judges.....

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#32)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:08:56 PM EST
    Repack Rider, Blogging is to critical thinking what video games are for eye/hand coordination. Exercise. Man, what Tom Paine could have done with a website!

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#34)
    by Sailor on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 07:06:03 AM EST
    I never said they couldn't be convicted in military tribunals
    Mary said courts, not the illegal and unconstitutional 'tribunals.'
    If I remember, the jury was a group of judges.....
    and the accused were allowed to see the evidence against them and participate in their own defense.
    It appears that you are ready to convict me but not the terrorists.
    why not both, if you break the law and trash the constitution and violate human rights.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#37)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 08:16:06 AM EST
    When you can show some support for the families of people killed by these terrorists, get back to me.
    When you can show some evidence of patriotism on your part that equals my military service, get back to me. Until then, I will assume that your hatred of the Constitution is treason. I support the families of the victims by doing my best to get rid of the man who ignored the warning given to him on 8-6-01 and who sat in a classroom reading about a pet goat while our country was under attack. Answer this: was it Bill Clinton looking confused and scared in that classroom on 9/11? Was it Bill Clinton posing for photographs outside that school while our country was under attack? Was it Bill Clinton who entered that classroom to read to kids after being told that the attack had started? Who was it?

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 09:20:09 AM EST
    My interpretation and shorter version: Mohammed and Binalshibh are now vegetables but we'll never know because they will be tried without anyone ever seeing them. This may explain the Federal interest in the Schiavo affari: they want living bodies (for some value of living) for their show trials.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#36)
    by Richard Aubrey on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 09:20:09 AM EST
    sailor. I believe the Geneva Convention refers to tribunals. What makes them illegal and unconstitutional? And if there's a difference between the Constitution and the GC, which rules when the bad guys aren't US citizens, have been taken in arms against the US, and never been on US soil? BTW. The war on terror will be over when those bastards quit attacking us and everybody else they can find on a map. See, for example, Thailand.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#33)
    by HK on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 10:24:57 AM EST
    JimakaPPJ wrote:
    RePack - When you can show some support for the families of people killed by these terrorists, get back to me. John Mann - See above.
    What relevence does showing support for a particular group of victims have to any debate? I pretty much take it as read that everyone here thinks that victims of terrorists have suffered immensely. If we all declared our sympathies before every post, it would clog up the comments and not add anything of any substance to the debate. This thread is not concerned with measuring one kind of suffering against another; it is about what is and isn't acceptable conduct in this particular situation. Your attempted imposition of criteria for comments is pitiful, Jim, and demonstrates only your disproportionate sense of your own importance and the fact that you can't find any valid response to the excellent points brought up by others. It is never acceptable to intimidate children or use them as leverage, to torture other human beings or to imprison indefinitely people whom you merely suspect may have committed crimes. These are all deeply shameful practices and serve no positive purpose. Repack, 'anthropomorphization' is an excellent word. I'm just going to go to look it up...

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#38)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 10:32:38 AM EST
    It appears that you are ready to convict me but not the terrorists. Holy foot-in-mouth! How can you convict without trials? Chalk up another disjointed argument from Kenny Rogers here. Jeebus dude, know when to fold 'em! RA, The war on terror will be over when those bastards quit attacking us and everybody else they can find on a map. That's it? Wow. I thought it would be over when their support dried up. Our foreign policies of extortion (see policy of kidnapping children to extort info from detainees) and violence (Operation Iraqi Liberation) will never allow that. But the part that really whizzes over your head is that the Pentagon, multinationals, and islamofascists do not want the war to end. Just ask the execs at Boeing or Raytheon, that is if you can ID them from their 5000 sq. ft. spider holes.

    Re: Authorized Interrogation Techniques (none / 0) (#39)
    by Sailor on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 10:50:32 AM EST
    What makes them illegal and unconstitutional?
    See, Supreme Court, US. bush has also locked up American citizens w/o charges or trial in secret prisons, we have an out of control executive and lapdog repubs who are ruining everything America ever stood for.
    The war on terror will be over when ...
    The WOT will never be over. Terrorism is as old as the world and will always be with us. Even bush admits that, so when bush says were 'winning the WOT' he's contradicting himself. The WOT like the WODrugs or the War on Poverty is a slogan, not a plan, not a goal, just a slogan so they can profit and usurp power.

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