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A Compromise on Detainee Interrogation/Trial Legislation?

by TChris

News of a possible compromise between the White House and Republican senators over legislation authorizing military trials and interrogations of detainees is vague. It appears that the administration has given ground, but "few details were available, and it was not clear whether a compromise was imminent or whether the White House had shifted its stance significantly."

The new White House position, sent to Capitol Hill on Monday night, set off intensified negotiations between administration officials and a small group of Republican senators. The senators have blocked President Bush's original proposal for legislation to clarify which interrogation techniques are permissible and to establish trial procedures for terrorism suspects now in United States military custody.

If a compromise bill that satisfies Republicans finally emerges, Democrats will need to scrutinize it to assure that it leaves the Geneva Conventions intact, that it gives detainees a meaningful hearing with the procedural protections that due process requires (no secret evidence or unconfronted hearsay), and that it doesn't immunize government employees or officials from responsibility for past or future violations of human rights. Will enough Democrats be up to the task to assure that the United States stands firmly and finally in support of fair, just, and humane treatment of those it detains?

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    Re: A Compromise on Detainee Interrogation/Trial L (none / 0) (#3)
    by The Heretik on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 08:04:57 AM EST
    Yeah, wake up and smell the compromise. It certainly is odiferous in DC today.

    The Dems can scrutinize all they want and they can demand that the Geneva Conventions be honored until they're blue in the face but ANY compromise should be viewed as an embarrassment by every American old enough to understand what this is all about. Hell, the fact that the Republicans are DEBATING about how much torture is too much torture should be a national embarrassment. (And let's face it, if Bush doesn't get exactly what he wants in this legislation he's going to do what he's always done -- write one of his infamous "signing statements" and continue doing whatever he damn well pleases even if it is against the law!) It seems to me that the Geneva Conventions are DELIBERATELY vague -- to define exactly what would be considered inhumane treatment would be to implicitly allow anything that isn't described. George Bush knew damn well that what the CIA was doing was in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions and U.S. law ... he now expects the same Congress who has looked the other way while he broke God only knows how many other laws to retroactively legalize the torture of human beings. And as the whole world looks on they may do just that. Nothing would give me more satisfaction than to see George Bush and everyone who goes along with him on this prosecuted as war criminals.

    Re: A Compromise on Detainee Interrogation/Trial L (none / 0) (#1)
    by dutchfox on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:38:09 PM EST
    I don't get it. All the stories about this talk about McCain, Warner and Graham being the critics what Bush wants. The three senators are made out to offer the best alternative, but theirs is flawed. Where are the Democratic Party senators on this? Are they just afraid to split with the Republicans? After all, the mid-term polls are coming up in a few weeks. Am I missing something here?

    Re: A Compromise on Detainee Interrogation/Trial L (none / 0) (#2)
    by marty on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:38:09 PM EST
    "Will enough Democrats be up to the task to assure that the United States stands firmly and finally in support of fair, just, and humane treatment of those it detains?" Sadly, very sadly, I am afraid the answer is....no. Too scared of being painted as soft on terror by scumbag Republicans. But, even more sadly, we as citizens (and a pathetically suppliant media)have allowed the obscene tactics of Rove et al, to go unchallenged all too often. The "weak on terror" argument works all too often.

    Has anyone else noticed The Bush League's REPEATED conflation of otherwise justifiable interrogation with NEVER justifiable torture with and the latest repugnant euphemism????? After all, what's wrong with a little "extreme interrogation" (i.e., torture) if it produces results, right? And what's wrong with a little "extraordinary rendition" (i.e., torture) of an individual if it makes society a little safer, right? Bush is truly sinking to Orwellian/ Kafkaesque/ Goebbelsian depths now more than ever. Even Nixon wasn't so evil as to seek to subvert the very fabric of the morality of American society. Nixon's crimes were born of a narcissistic nature. Bush's crimes are born of megalomania. Where Nixon wanted personal power, Bush wants monolithic institutional power: the unitary executive. In the years to come, historians will judge Bush to have been far worse and to have done far greater damage to the tripartite system of American governance.