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'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed

by TChris

Responding to prosecutors' complaints that the chief judge was "soft on Saddam," Iraq's prime minister removed the judge from Saddam Hussein's trial. But wait, you say. What kind of democratic government allows the executive branch to control the judicial branch, to the point of removing a judge during a trial because prosecutors want a judge who will side with them more often? The kind that has emerged in Iraq. The kind that cares more about assuring convictions than providing fair trials. The kind of government that is, by rational standards, a joke.

The change could revive complaints that the government is interfering in the tribunal trying Saddam and his regime members to ensure a quick guilty verdict.

The judge who presided over Hussein's first trial resigned midway through the trial in response to complaints that he, too, was "soft on Saddam." American prosecutors must envy the power of the Iraqi government to toss out any judge who isn't sufficiently pro-prosecution.

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  • Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 01:42:30 PM EST
    If you were a citizen of Iraq, would you rather deal with a government that removes judges that may or may not have been followers of Saddam, or be raped and tossed into a plastic shredder?

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:07:01 PM EST
    Why these judges don't stay bought, we'll never know! There's a name for "democracies" that have executives that arbitrarily remove judges to ensure a pre-determined verdict. They're called dictatorships. Only Saddam can appreciate how rich the irony is here.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:34:42 PM EST
    Heh. Just imagine how the US government would have behaved if Bin Ladin had showed up in Europe, say, at the Hague, and dared the people there to try him.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#3)
    by weezie on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:34:42 PM EST
    Is that a trick question????

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#4)
    by Punchy on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:34:42 PM EST
    I recommend you use the word "trial" in quotes next time. This is anything but. If you REALLY thought Saddam would get a fair, unbiased, see-the-evidence trial, I've got lots of houses in N.O. to sell you. His guilty verdict, his sentencing to death, and his actual execution date were LONG LONG ago decided upon...I'm guessing, on Sept. 12, 2001.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:34:42 PM EST
    I think the problem really was that the judge, who will be responsible for judging Saddam's guilt or innocence, was obviously not impartial. He said, in court, that he didn't think that Saddam was a dictator. Set aside for a second how ridiculous that sounds, but it's pretty suggestive of a lack of impartiality. And if a judge in the US acted in a similar way, the prosecution would ask for his recusal (and would probably be right in asking for it).

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:34:42 PM EST
    It is a show trial anyway. They will execute him no matter what happens. They should just get it over with.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 05:34:42 PM EST
    I'm as liberal as they come, but that judge was pro-Saddam...the proper action has been taken, good move Iraq!

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#12)
    by Sailor on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 07:46:19 AM EST
    He said, in court, that he didn't think that Saddam was a dictator.
    Got a link for that?

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#13)
    by roy on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 08:13:41 AM EST
    The "not a dictator" quote is documented here.
    You were not a dictator. People around you made you (look like) a dictator.


    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#14)
    by eric on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 08:26:44 AM EST
    Posted by Fred Evil September 19, 2006 06:05 PM I'm as liberal as they come, but that judge was pro-Saddam...the proper action has been taken, good move Iraq! Ladies and gentleman, we have ourselves a bona fide concern troll.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#15)
    by eric on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 08:27:16 AM EST
    Posted by Fred Evil September 19, 2006 06:05 PM I'm as liberal as they come, but that judge was pro-Saddam...the proper action has been taken, good move Iraq! Ladies and gentleman, we have ourselves a bona fide concern troll.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 04:20:29 PM EST
    This so called Trial has been a farce from the git go. I know the repiglicans in their hearts think we should do the same here in the USA. As long as their not the ones on trial. I only have to point out Rush Bimbo as my proof!

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 04:20:29 PM EST
    This so called Trial has been a farce from the git go. I know the repiglicans in their hearts think we should do the same here in the USA. As long as their not the ones on trial. I only have to point out Rush Bimbo as my proof!

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:38:09 PM EST
    Only Saddam can appreciate how rich the irony is here.
    Well said...I'm sure he's thinking "exatcly what I would have done."

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#10)
    by ltgesq on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:57:30 PM EST
    I would hesitate taking the translations of what the judge who was "too pro saddam" as accurate. My guess is that he is looking aroung and realizing that as bad as things were in iraq before, they didnt have people murdered as they picked up thier dead, that the morgues in bagdad are 300% or more over capacity, or that there have been several murders of attorneys in this case. Whatever, he is better off (and safer) having recused himself to let some other person's name get attached to this kangaroo court.

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#9)
    by terryhallinan on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 07:06:24 PM EST
    Obviously this is a show trial with a pre-determined verdict. I also agree that a judge that showed his bias as clearly as the one in the Saddam trial did was not fit to judge anything. How many think there is a chance of Saddam being acquitted? :-) In reality, this country does not have a great record of adjudging guilt or innocence. According to friends who met him a few years ago, the son of Sam Sheppard was a sad, sad fellow yet possessed with the effort to clear the record of his father, who was convicted and then acquitted. F. Lee Bailey first tried to base his appeal on the evidence. He learned that it was procedure that mattered and the evidence be damned. Sam, Jr.'s lawsuit failed. Sam Sheppard was innocent. His life was ruined. So was that of his son. So it goes. Best, Terry

    Re: 'Soft on Saddam' Judge Removed (none / 0) (#18)
    by Sailor on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 07:19:01 PM EST
    Roy, thanks for the link.