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No Way Off the No-Fly List

Welcome to the Twilight Zone, 2005 edition: Clark County (Nevada) Superintendent of Schools Carlos Garcia is living a nightmare. He has the same name as a person on the "watch list" and despite proving over and over when he flies that he is not that person, he remains on the list. What he's learned is there is no way to get off the list.

Garcia said he's worked the bureaucracy, written the letters and reported his problem with minimal results. All he's received so far is a TSA letter he's now supposed to carry with him when he travels by air. He's still barred from obtaining his boarding passes electronically, he can't use the ticket kiosks at the airport and he's stuck waiting in line at the ticket counter while agents flip through their computer screens to make sure he's not the watch list Garcia.

The delays have almost caused him to miss flights and it's doubled the time he's stuck in airports. Garcia said he can understand being pulled aside once or twice, but he's been singled out every time he flies Southwest Airlines, which is a carrier used often by the district for travel to and from Washoe County for state government business.

Garcia asks an obvious question:

Why can't they just look at my frequent flier number or view who's purchasing the ticket?" asked Garcia, who does the bulk of his traveling on district business. "My tickets are being purchased by the CCSD. To my knowledge, the CCSD (Clark County School District) isn't purchasing tickets for terrorists."

Garcia is now asking his Congressman, Minority Leader Harry Reid, to intervene.

If he can't help me, then I think we're living in scary times," Garcia said.

Scary, indeed. [hat tip reader David R.]

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    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#1)
    by Darryl Pearce on Mon Jan 03, 2005 at 09:04:36 PM EST
    But our gov't is invulnerable and so prescient as to always succeed.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jan 03, 2005 at 09:12:05 PM EST
    One of my "boys" for my upcoming wedding has also been added to the no fly list. The wedding is planned for Montreal and we ahve been told that there may even be problems with him getting back into the country. It seems anyone with a more common name (good g-d forbid your name is"Tom Jones" or "Robert Smith" or, worse yet, "Jose Rivera") appears likely to be on the list.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#3)
    by bad Jim on Mon Jan 03, 2005 at 09:54:16 PM EST
    Carlos García is a pretty common name too. It's been suggested that one use the long version of one's name to avoid this issue (like "Robert W. Smith" instead of "Bob Smith"). Apparently it works for some.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jan 03, 2005 at 09:59:31 PM EST
    He's not the only one. Both Rep. John Lewis and Sen. Ted Kennedy have both experienced similar problems.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jan 03, 2005 at 11:44:35 PM EST
    Can i get on the list? we should all ask our non government if we all can stop flying for good,by asking the so called government to put us all on the list and hell why not just start-up our own airlines and maybe our own country for real people who understand what a nation is and is not.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 01:40:28 AM EST
    I haven't been able to determine if I'm on a watch list or not, but every time I travel I get selected for intensive searches and questioning on both outgoing and incoming flights, and my name is far from common. It's all happened since I had a run-in with an extremely homophobic immigration official on the return trip from Amsterdam. I was cuffed and detained after approaching the counter together with my partner, something I have done many times in both US and foreign airports. I threw a huge hissy fit about it at the time, including writing to Diana DeGette (never have gotten a response) and, just like magic, I now have to allow extra time whenever I travel. I can only assume that since there are only half a dozen Michael Ditto's in the world, none of whom to my knowledge have a criminal record of any kind, that Inspector De La Rosa of US Immigration is responsible.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#7)
    by scarshapedstar on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 01:43:36 AM EST
    It's a good thing the small-government, right wing Republicans fight against intrusive, wasteful bureaucracies, otherwise we might really be in trouble.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 04:46:00 AM EST
    I have heard from some folks travelling that they have been placed on the list after large cash withdraws. It's only hearsay, but at this point it would not surprise me. Also could someone explain why when a flight is diverted and instructed to land it instantly becomes news on the cable shows despite the fact the person may have been cleared?

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 06:17:46 AM EST
    So the man in the story only THINKS we are living in scary times?

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#10)
    by wishful on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 06:50:46 AM EST
    The seed of a practical idea in Fred Dawes" post occurs: Remember "I am Sparticus"? We can all somehow be put on the watch list. Then it would equalize, and return to business as usual--the list would be meaningless and a new "real" list would need to be developed. Of course, it didn't work out too well in the end for Sparticus, did it? We're screwed by this administration.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#11)
    by pigwiggle on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 07:00:27 AM EST
    Mr. Ditto- Very Kafka-like, another upside to bureaucracy and regulation.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 07:19:31 AM EST
    Right on Fred, right on. Everyday I am more convinced we need a new gov't. And Thomas Jefferson seems smarter by the day. Republican, democrat...it doesn't matter. All of Washington DC is anti-freedom.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#13)
    by pigwiggle on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 07:26:51 AM EST
    Kdog- Then perhaps you might be interested in this and this.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 08:36:16 AM EST
    That's Senator Reid, not Congressman Reid.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 08:39:52 AM EST
    I am very interested pigwiggle. I plan on looking at the platform more closely after work. At this point, all I know is that the system is broken, the Libertarian way seems like it's worth a shot. Freedom above all else, I like that a lot.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#16)
    by David on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 11:10:13 AM EST
    Every once in a while I monitor the local news here in Vegas. This news is a welcome change from the usual crashes, crimes, catastrophies, casinos, and commercials (the C's)that completely dominate the TV and even the papers.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 11:41:54 AM EST
    I put myself on the no-fly list in Jan 2002, and have not flown since. Now if we all did this voluntarily, we could cause the airlines even more grief, and as Wishful said, things in the flying world would return to normal! Really, money talks, look @ Krispy Kreme's stock falling--low carb diets do have an impact!

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 12:01:45 PM EST
    Bennington, can you really put yourself on? I'm interested in maybe signing up, great form of protest.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    I encourage all of you to write threatening letters to American - be sure to include your return address! More room in coach for the rest of us, indeed! :-) -C

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 04:41:39 PM EST
    Cliff - I just had a delightful trip to the coast in First Class. The food has suffered, and the wine list had only two Merlots but they poured most generously. However, as a dedicated cabernet drinker, I felt that my human diginity had been attacked. Do you think the fact that I showwed up with a smile and all prepared to go through security without a problem - i.e. computer out, shoes off, sweater off, keys/chains, etc., out and in basket had anything to do with me not having a problem?

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#21)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jan 04, 2005 at 08:07:21 PM EST
    Do you think the fact that I showwed up with a smile and all prepared to go through security without a problem - i.e. computer out, shoes off, sweater off, keys/chains, etc., out and in basket had anything to do with me not having a problem? No, it was because you do not use the name John Lewis.

    Re: No Way Off the No-Fly List (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 10:47:06 AM EST
    kdog--my "no-fly" list is one of my own creation. If you really like protests, do as I do and seek out the "blue companies," --spend your money on their products! Great fun!