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Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices?

by TChris

Should Supreme Court justices serve until they retire or die? The Framers thought so, but Linda Greenhouse reports on the academic argument for proposals that would limit a justice's tenure on the Court.

The academic critics see a variety of negative consequences from life tenure. One is that the scarcity and randomness of vacancies promise to turn each one into a galvanizing crisis. Other drawbacks include the temptation for justices to time their retirements for political advantage; an overemphasis on youth and staying power as a qualification for nominees; the likelihood that even those justices who escape the infirmities of old age - and, predictably, not all will escape - will tend after many decades to lose touch with the surrounding culture; and the fear that if the court is seen as out of touch and unaccountable to a democratic society, its legitimacy will erode.

One proposal would allow the president to appoint a new justice every two years. Each new justice would bump the most senior sitting justice into "senior status." Senior status justices would occasionally emerge from semi-retirement to perform temporary judicial assignments.

Critics worry that the plan would produce a Court that will follow the moment's prevailing political winds rather than precedent. Professor Ward Farnsworth wonders whether we can envision the problems that such a radical change would create:

"Life tenure has costs that we have learned to live with, and we ought to hesitate long before switching."

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    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 01:58:43 PM EST
    So instead of justices insulated from political considerations we would have judges who constantly suck up to poltiicians in the hopes that they will be the next nominee? Not a good idea.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 02:48:55 PM EST
    Maybe every president gets one Judicial nomination? I thought Clinton would have probably made some good choices. -C

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 03:48:43 PM EST
    At the time the Framers chose the "lifetime" tenure for judges the average lifespan of males was 40-50 so that a "turn-over" was assumed. Has anyone tracked how the average age of SCOTUS increased over the last 200+ years? Now that the average lifespan of males is nearly 80, with dementia occurring in over 25% of the aged, a limit on tenure may be appropriate.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 04:06:09 PM EST
    Yes Once we set aside the partisan political considerations, generally the argument that judges should retire is raised by people who don't link the current court, I'd suggest that there are 3 reasons why judges should retire. 1) See "Bert on January 16, 2005 04:48 PM", they were less likely to become senile, agree! 2) Perhaps a shorter period on the bench meant that they were more in touch with the society, where-as now they serve for such a long time that they are less able to consider the life of the other citizens. 3) Finally, if there was a defined retirement, then their retirement would not as influenced by who was in office. There is the current thought that some of the judges are "hanging on" until they get the right president and senate, and I would think it better if they did not influence their successor by their retirement timing.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 04:34:49 PM EST
    et al - When the Repubs were out, they wanted term limits. Now the Demos are out, and guess what! The Demos want term limits. Duhhhhh.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 05:05:37 PM EST
    Wow. The Democrats are even more desperate than most of us liberals imagined! I am sure that they would be inspired to think up such nonsense if John Kerry was now in the White House with prospects of appointing 3 USSC justices. Yes indeedy. I knew the Dems were shameless opportunists, just like their brethern across the aisle, but this truly reeks of desperation bordering on mania. Get a grip. If it is so damned horrible to imagine a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (and it IS), it is equally reprehensible in tinkering with the machinery of the USSC, and far more dangerous to democracy. Quick, name ONE Democratic member of the House or Senate who rises to the level of presidential material. Yeah, me neither. So, in lieu of debate and leadership we get blather masquerading as intellectual discourse. I'd be MUCH more inclined to suspend disbelief if we were to see the Dems in unified opposition to the wrecking ball that is coming their way. Instead, we get more nonsense.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 08:56:42 PM EST
    Term limits on the SC justices wouldn't be such a bad idea. We have term limits on the Presidency (thanks to FDR) and a limit on the number of justices the SC can have (again, thanks to FDR), so it should be natural that the SC and Congress should be subject to term limits as well.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#9)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 06:13:00 AM EST
    I don’t see a problem with the current machinations of the court. Considering those points raised; “One is that the scarcity and randomness of vacancies promise to turn each one into a galvanizing crisis.” Galvanizing crisis? Partisanship would be a problem, even if more frequent; or rather, more frequently a problem. This is more an indictment of the court for its inability to interpret the constitution objectively. “the temptation for justices to time their retirements for political advantage” Term limits? I don’t know if this is a silver bullet for the prospect of senile justices; have there been any yet? The timing is simply one aspect of the court’s powers. Weakening the court’s power, particularly in light of strengthening executive powers, is a poor idea. I think the idea here is to weaken the executive power by weakening the court, lame. “lose touch with the surrounding culture” The court is charged with interpreting law, not popular culture. The idea of lifetime appointments was to insulate the court from that kind of nonsense. The court hasn’t lost legitimacy yet. However, I’m sure that there are those that are convinced an unpopular appointment by Bush will be worse for the court that stripping it of it’s protection from political whim.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 07:13:03 AM EST
    Dems must get our next appointment to be a uber-liberal 5 year old. Then, we'd be set. Hell, I'm sure the 5 year olds senate hearing would have more honesty and depth than Gonzos!

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 08:16:41 AM EST
    I don't like the idea of term limits, but I think there should be some sort of maximum age, maybe 75, for any government position. Justice Douglas was so messed up by the end that the other Justices were supposed to have an agreement that not to allow his vote to be the deciding vote in a 5-4 decision. Shortly after leaving office, Reagan revealed he had Alzheimer's. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some kind of early symptoms while he was President that he just attributed to the aging process.

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Avedon on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 09:19:13 AM EST
    I might go with mandatory retirement at 75 or something like that, but the idea of really short terms sounds to me completely insane. Just imagine the merry-go-round that would create. Ick! (It's also really cheap, considering that government pensions are based on income during the last four years of service, so two-year term limits would just be mean.)

    Re: Mandatory Retirement for Sup. Ct. Justices? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jim Strain on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 09:32:47 AM EST
    The idea that our supreme court could gradually slip into senility is really a red herring. In fact, there have been cases in the past where a justice has begun to "lose it," and in those cases, his colleagues, friends and family eventually persuaded him to retire. If there is any case of an important decision having been affected by the senility of a sitting justice, I'd be interested to hear of it; I know of none. Other societies revere the wisdom of age; we ship it off to Sun City.