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Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain

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Posted on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 06:00:33 AM EST
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GW Pharmaceuticals in Britain, maker of the new Cannabis-based Medicine (Sativex®) has published results of its preliminary study of the drug, and finds that it reduces pain in cancer patients. [Via NORML).

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    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#1)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 08:00:48 AM EST
    Yeah, but does it get you high? Because that's the real agenda of the medical marijuana crowd. IMO

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 08:25:42 AM EST
    All agendas aside, any patient should be free to use any herbal or pharmacuetical remedy available if it works for them. Who are we to argue with an individual's results?

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#3)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 08:51:53 AM EST
    Forget the fact this might alleviate their pain! What about the potential profits that this would take away from Big Pharm (and I don't mean Rush Limbaugh)! Patrick, If your narrow minded enough to believe that pain alleviation is secondary to intoxication with the medical marijuana crowd, I suggest you do as I have and spend a few months with terminal cancer patients. I don't use, but I'm certainly not self-rightous enough to state that they shouldn't either. Spend some time with their suffering, and see if it changes your opinion. Otherwise, you know not of which you speak. IMO.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 08:53:49 AM EST
    The safest way is to let pharmaceutical companies make the drug (like in this case from cannibis) and let doctors prescribe it to patients. I think is irresponsible to let patient grow their own cannabis, without any quality control or any processing, and let them decide on how much they can take.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 09:08:18 AM EST
    I find it interesting that, if a US company had put out a study on a drug being successful that had nothing to do with cannibis, most people here would have been questioning the report. Any independent tests? The link doesn't seem to work here anyway. Or it could be the work firewall.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 09:14:15 AM EST
    “Who are we to argue with an individual's results?” I am the FDA, and I WILL tell you what you can and cannot take, irrespective of the proven or imagined efficacy. And don’t give me that bullshi* about it being your own body, it isn’t; I OWN the deed, you are just leasing it. If you dare to step out of line, I will come down on you with the full FORCE and VIOLENCE of the federal government.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#8)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 09:14:59 AM EST
    AH, I will admit (and have in the past) that there are people who would legitimately use marijuana as a medicine. I have spent time with several of them. My experience is that the majority of people who claim medical use are in fact hiding their desire to use an otherwise illegal drug behind the pain and suffering of those who would use it as a medicine.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 09:32:23 AM EST
    If we are going to talk 'agendas' here, how about the agenda of maintaining a flawed and failed War on Drugs in order to prop up the host of local, State and Federal DrugWarriors who dine from the (taxpayer funded) public trough? DrugWarriors like to point to items like the Coast Guard last year interdicting 26 tons (that's tons, sportsfans, as in 2,000 pounds each) of cocaine in one month, while failing to mention that previously, they had stopped a ship carrying 'only' 13 tons. The irony of the larger and larger and larger amounts being captured never seems to register as the failure it is...while no mention is made that steet prices continue to drop and quantity and quality remain static. It would seem the DrugWar has only two groups of beneficiaries, and neither of them are the taxpayers who foot the bill.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#10)
    by Pete Guither on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 09:49:05 AM EST
    Many who wish to legalize marijuana for recreational purposes use medical marijuana as a stepping stone toward legalization. True. But that doesn't change the fact that marijuana is useful as medicine and can help sick people. Just because there's an additional agenda doesn't invalidate the medical one. Those who promote prohibition also use sick people to promote their agenda, but their agenda involves denying effective medicine in order to prevent recreational use. They know that marijuana is effective and helps alleviate pain and prolong life. Yet they are willing to force those patients to suffer in order to protect their prohibitionist stance. The fact that the FDA continues to block research on cannabis (despite thousands of years of evidence of safety) while allowing Vioxx to breeze through, would make prohibitionists ashamed if they had any moral fiber.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#11)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 10:34:35 AM EST
    But that doesn't change the fact that marijuana is useful as medicine and can help sick people. They know that marijuana is effective and helps alleviate pain and prolong life. Actually, these are not a facts, there is still considerable debate, between people with a lot more initials after their names than I have. Marijuana prolonging life? Show me that study... Which is why, even though I'm against recreational legalization, I'm not opposed to changing marijuana from Sched I to Sched II. I believe that is the hang-up around the research.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#12)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 10:45:18 AM EST
    Hey Pat, I’ve got an agenda. I like to get high; hands of my liberty you puritanical thug.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#13)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 10:53:45 AM EST
    Hands off your liberty.... Hey, no problem... What can my agenda be....Hmmm. Let's see... I want to imprison all drug users... Hands off my liberty... Like I've said before. If everyone used drugs as responsible as everyone here claims they would, there would be no problem....

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 10:55:56 AM EST
    well, this is an interesting debate. But I'm very curious what harm, if any, people think marijuana does. To either society as a whole, or the individual. Not to sound like a drug-advocate, but there really is no evidence that marijuana does ANY harm. If it makes people happy, and relieves stress and pain, isn't that okay? After all, cigarettes and alcohol are FAR more toxic to your system, and they remain legal. I get the feeling that the prohibition of marijuana has to do with commerce. That, and the fact that pot smokers tend to be more politically active, and open-minded. But why would you defend a system that imprisons innocent people, based on a "hobby"? Unlike opium, cocaine, crack, or other more dangerous drugs, the only violence in the marijuana trade comes from the government. Well, by and large at least.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#15)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:01:58 AM EST
    Miles, Don't take what you read here as the gospel (Can I use that word?) truth. Search it out for yourself. There is violence associated with marijuana. Think of the shootings in marijuana gardens just in California alone. This year, there have been three cases of guns involved in ripping and protecting marijauana just in my little burg alone. See the Ukiah California newspapers. Mendocino County, long the leader of marijuana tolerence in the entire United States, is starting to crack down on growers because of problems (Including violence) related to marijuana use, sale and cultivation. But what do I know...

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:12:18 AM EST
    Patrick, have you ever tried it personally? There was violence in the alcohol trade as well, under prohibition. My point is, I don't think there's anything inherently violent about marijuana. Besides the government's inexplicably violent enforcement of the drug laws. There is so much junk science, and so much government propaganda that takes the place of REAL, double-blind, objective science. Basically, I just wish the government would stay the heck out of people's personal lives. Especially since they DO allow medicines to be advertised on the mass market that cause FAR worse damage to your system. Vioxx comes to mind, and an estimated 60 million people were taking that.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:20:11 AM EST
    "Yeah, but does it get you high? Because that's the real agenda of the medical marijuana crowd. IMO" Uhh, what's wrong with wanting to get high? You're an adult, right?

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:20:33 AM EST
    lol... 'puritanical thug'... picturing patrick as schwarzeneggar in a pilgrim cap... anyway, sorry, i think mrijuana should be legal. just think of all the tax revenue! kdog said in another thread that he'd pay $20 for a pack of joints. plus, the violence and crime involved with marijuana usage (and prostitution and other in my opinion) would go way down with legalization. i don't get why we're waiting.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#19)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:23:26 AM EST
    Miles, Yes I've tried it, I even inhaled. my comments, examples and experience are all related to non-prohibition areas. So your contention that the violence is related to prohibition (rather than good old fashioned human greed) rings hollow to me. I know it's an uphill battle to get people to look at the facts through the smoke, and I think you have agreat point with the Vioxx/Celebrex/Others argument, but that's merely related to FDA research which I submit should take place. I support the use of marinol (A marijuana product) this spray (A marijauan product) seems potentially positve, but I don't support the uncontrolled, uncontrollable use of a substance that is harmful simply so people can chemically alter their mood.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#20)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:27:54 AM EST
    Kelite, anyway, sorry, i think mrijuana should be legal. just think of all the tax revenue! kdog said in another thread that he'd pay $20 for a pack of joints. Sure he would, but what would the other people do? Grow their own to avoid taxes no doubt. crime involved with marijuana usage would go way down with legalization. Duh, and if we legalized murder, or any other criminal act for that matter, the crimes related to it would go down too, because they would cease to be crimes!

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:44:21 AM EST
    With regards to violence and cannabis, Patrick has hit the nail on the head...and the hammer bounced off. It always amazes me that prohibitionists point to such incidents as Patrick denotes, without making the logical conclusion: the violence happens because in an illegal endeavor, you can't call upon Patrick and his friends to arbitrate the matter. Create a black market with poorly crafted laws (based upon the expressed racial bigotry of the proponents and not one smidgen of scientific data), and you create the crime. Create the crime (prior to 1937, few States had any laws regarding cannabis, and those that did had social control of minority elements in mind rather than 'public health') and you inevitably invite violence. Which the prohibitionists turn to, as if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths, and tut-tut and say we need more such laws, more prisons, etc. Einstein's classic 'definition of insanity' in operation. If the purpose of prohibition has been to make the price of illicit drugs too high, quality poor and quantity scarce, then why is it that a dose of (90% pure) heroin in some locales is now down to 4 bucks a pop? If the purpose of prohibition was to reduce crime related to drugs, then why is there a call for more police, more prisons, more laws? And who, in the main, are making such calls? (Hint: It's not the average constituant that's burning up their legislator's phone lines, but the special interest organizations that have a monetary stake in keeping this failed policy going.)

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#22)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:49:16 AM EST
    Nemo, Marijuana is all but legal in Mendocino County...To what do you attribute the increase in violence in that county? Read their papers... You may have a point in other areas of the country, but it's happening right here, and it's not going how everyone said it would go.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:57:44 AM EST
    Patrick, I guess I have to insist on the point, that the illegality of marijuana is almost completely arbitrary, and not based on science. The violence in the marijuana trade comes mainly from violent government raids on farms. There are no marijuana cartels, because it's too easy to grow and distribute. I think what the Vioxx thing proves, is that the government IS NOT acting in the best interests of the health of this nation. To say something is okay because it has a government stamp on it, or that it is BAD because it lacks such an approval, is pretty naive. Especially under THIS administration.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#24)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 11:59:38 AM EST
    “Like I've said before. If everyone used drugs as responsible as everyone here claims they would, there would be no problem....” This reminds me of my miserable 3rd grade teacher, Mrs. Budge. Whenever another student screwed up reading, snack, or naptime it was taken from us all. I’ve got a revolutionary idea; punish these folks for their bad behavior and leave me alone.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:04:43 PM EST
    Patrick, nice try. But the problem is so long as cannabis is illegal at any level, the motivation to steal from those granted (only very local) permission to grow and use it remains. The easy 'profits' from their thieving 'labor' make it far more lucrative. Make cannabis legal again, and it's price will fall to the level of a commodity such as beer, wine or spirits...even with the attendent taxation. Cannabis producers would be just like distilleries and vintners producing their wares. And no one 'knocks over' distilleries or vintners.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#26)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:07:01 PM EST
    Miles There are no marijuana cartels, because it's too easy to grow and distribute. Sorry, this is just completely wrong. Mexican drug grangs who produce much of the methamphetamine in California are also increasingly responsible for the large commercial illegal grows (10's of thousands of plants per grow) seized throughout the state. I've seen it, arrested them, and followed the money personally. Re: Vioxx, What it doesn't prove is that marijuana is a safe alternative. Which is why I support studying it.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:19:22 PM EST
    And with regards to the matter of taxation: If I were a nicotine addict, I could go to a seed store, buy tobacco seeds, plant them, grow it, harvest and smoke it if I wanted to. But, a nicotine addict isn't likely to. They can and do simply walk, drive or crawl to the nearest convenience store and purchase their fix. Simple human laziness combined with near instant gratification via being able to buy what you want easily (in a controlled and regulated environment) would make large scale grow ops after relegalization highly improbable. I have a friend who is into microbrewing big time. Helped him decant a batch of beer into bottles. He's a hobbyist at it; does that mean he's cheating Uncle? Some people will always want to do it their way, whereas the majority will just head on down to the local liquor store and do it the easy way. I wouldn't worry about small time growers cheating the government of its' pound of flesh after relegalization.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#28)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:34:17 PM EST
    Nemo, Yeah, right, tobacco is easy to grow? OK, another assumption that is not true.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#29)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:35:00 PM EST
    How do they get those menthol tobacco plants to flower?

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:53:47 PM EST
    Posted by at January 21, 2005 09:53 AM "The safest way is to let pharmaceutical companies make the drug (like in this case from cannibis) and let doctors prescribe it to patients. I think is irresponsible to let patient grow their own cannabis, without any quality control or any processing, and let them decide on how much they can take." pharmaceutical companies... Oh please keep those astrings out of this. there is no quality control or processing, its like growing tomatoes in your garden. If you start with a potent seed you end up with a somewhat potent seed. lets skip the regulating of this. Pete Guither at January 21, 2005 10:49 AM yeah, what he said. Patrick at January 21, 2005 01:07 PM :I've seen it, arrested them, and followed the money personally." finally reveals his true personal agenda, if legalized, his career becomes naught, and is identified as "...special interest organizations that have a monetary stake in keeping this failed policy going." self-constraint is a good thing!

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 12:57:50 PM EST
    First, the drug warriors tell us marijuana users are lazy do-nothing criminals. But if we legalize marijuana, they will suddenly start marijuana plantations in backyards across America...gimme a break. I think I speak for most...If legalized, we'd buy it at the store...just like booze and cigarettes and candy bars. P.S. It may be pretty easy to grow low grade schwag, but it takes a talented horticulturalist to grow the kind. And scwag doesn't cut it!

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#32)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:02:48 PM EST
    LMAO, It's deja vu all over again... You can read archived threads on this topic till you turn blue, and the arguments are still the same, and they are still fallacious. I'll keep my job regardless of whether drugs are legal or not. People who are equating legalization (Of all drugs) with the end of the need for police are living in a very skewed reality.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#33)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:14:18 PM EST
    First, the drug warriors tell us marijuana users are lazy do-nothing criminals. Nope, some are very successful, well respected citizens. Some are also friends. But if we legalize marijuana, they will suddenly start marijuana plantations in backyards across America...gimme a break. Some will some won't, who knows. In California where it is somewhere between totally legal and somewhat illegal, there have been some large marijauan crops seized from back yards. I think I speak for most...If legalized, we'd buy it at the store. It's essentially legalized in california and most people don't buy it from the "clinics" now. Why should we believe that will be any different anywhere else? P.S. It may be pretty easy to grow low grade schwag, but it takes a talented horticulturalist to grow the kind. And scwag doesn't cut it! Yeah because we all know hard watering and providing sunlight is. With the cloning process there's no quesswork with regards to your strain or the sex of your plant. Even if you don't know how to clone (Which is as easy as using a cutting from a house plant) someone out there will do it for you, or provide you with clones...

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:16:23 PM EST
    If you have ever grown your own, you know that to produce consistant quality you need to do some serious studying and experimenting and it doesn't happen without effort. The casual grower usually doesn't get a quality product with their attempts and most grow (pardon the pun) impatient and go purchase from their local dealer. So if it were legal the motivation to grow your own is much less especially if you can purchase a quality product at a reasonable price.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#35)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:17:28 PM EST
    Still don't believe, read this

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:18:12 PM EST
    True Dat, KDog

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:23:06 PM EST
    Don't forget shoveling Bat Guarna, Patrick.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#38)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:29:17 PM EST
    That said Kudos to the Brits for taking the lead and developing something that helps those who truly need it. Mfox, The people I know who aren't way into fertilization techniques, just use miracle grow. I hear bat guano works too.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 01:57:13 PM EST
    Patrick at January 21, 2005 02:02 PM "I'll keep my job regardless of whether drugs are legal or not. People who are equating legalization (Of all drugs) with the end of the need for police are living in a very skewed reality." ...having a career(possessing opportunity to progress by merit) and a job(collecting a pay check) are two distinctly seperate endeavors. ...a skewed reality, probably encompasses the belief that one has the correct solutions to someone else's problems. like most anything else, developing a green thumb for cultivating mj, just takes practice.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#40)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 02:39:35 PM EST
    Peanut, That's your definition. The term job as defined by Webster's New College dictionary is (2) an activity performed regularly for payment, esp. a trade, occupation or profession. Since law enforcement is a profession (requireing a certificate) in the State of California, the term job seems to fit quite nicely. As for the rest of your comment, for clarification, let me ask, do you believe the legalization of drugs will result in the end of the need for police? That seems to be what your saying, or at least your questioning my comment that it wont...

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 02:49:44 PM EST
    job(collecting a pay check) = an activity performed regularly for payment, esp. a trade, occupation or profession, except for some additional words on your part, these statements seem about equal to me. Am not suggesting the need for law enforcement will cease, but hasn't the additional funding law enforcement receives, the creation of "task forces" / "strike teams", hell the DEA, all have been created from/for the "war on drugs". additional prisons, probation/parole personnel all these additionals have created an atomsphere were if your a "drug warrior" far more opportunity for advancement has been created. I am not attacking you personally sir, simply the profession at this current juncture in our history thrives off of the "drug war", least we forget the unconstitutinal asset forfeiture, etc., etc., etc.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 03:00:09 PM EST
    Battlefield Conversions ...three ex-warriors who now fight against the War on Drugs Dead Victims of the Drug War As this violent and tragic Drug War rages on, may each of these martyrs instead Rest in Peace. Big Drug War News. in short partrick, and i'm sure you are aware of this, the "drug war" is a war against americans, primarly minorities, it is perpetual, and like the war on terrorism cannot be won with the current strategy.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#43)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 03:09:32 PM EST
    Peanut, Been to and read those links before...See my above comment re Deja vu. In short, what your quoting are the talking points for those who support full drug legalization. There may be better policies which we will disover in the future. IMO legalization is not one of them. You will not change my mind absent some heretofore undiscovered information, just like I won't change yours. I just hope that someone who is not so steadfast in their beliefs who sees these posts will get educated on the matter before swallowing all the BS rhetoric that's out there.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 03:32:16 PM EST
    Posted by Patrick at January 21, 2005 04:09 PM ..re Deja vu...I just hope that someone who is not so steadfast in their beliefs who sees these posts will get educated on the matter before swallowing all the BS rhetoric that's out there. my sentiments exaclty!!! point taken, you seem steadfast in your anti-legal beliefs, i committed to my pro-legal, and there is nothing wrong with that, we understand there is a problem, the solutions' bearing our differences. OLT: sometimes we deja vu(or keep riding the same horse) on these left/right blogs not for the regulars but for ... the people lurking... who are trying to make some sense of this.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 04:09:01 PM EST
    I think is irresponsible to let patient grow their own cannabis, without any quality control or any processing, and let them decide on how much they can take. GMAFB. It's a PLANT. Nature can handle the quality control angle. What, are we now all concerned it'll turn out to be schwag? How'd the Aztecs manage w/o the FDA? Who told them how many bong hits to take? It's essentially legalized in california BS. It's a felony to grow even one plant, and it's still a misdemeanor to possess any amount.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 04:15:25 PM EST
    "I think is irresponsible to let patient grow their own cannabis, without any quality control or any processing, and let them decide on how much they can take." Irresponsible? To whom or what? There are NO known cases of marijuana toxicity by smoking, and these are usually terminal patients anyhow. Dose management by the patient is the sine qua non of patient care, now in use in every hospital in the country. There patients are 'allowed' to take as much drug as they need, when they need, within the prescription range (to control those drugs' toxicity). But marijuana is not like those pharmaceutical drugs; it's a botanical that has been used without significant side-effect for ten thousand years. The right to use botanicals is best managed by education and culture, and not by government. Gov't's prohibition has been well-documented, and had NOTHING to do with safety. People can LEARN from botanicals with rich brain chemistry interactions. Consumption of marijuana in India among meditators is rampant, and non-problematic. Use of peyotl, or ayahuasca (and Ibogaine, in a medical setting) has been linked to loss of damaging addictive habits like alcoholism. "Addiction? I've been using marijuana for sixty years, and I've never been addicted yet." --L. Armstrong, who made beautiful music because marijuana is an excellent auditory/musical creative aid. Quite a bit of the best music ever made has marijuana to thank for it. "But me I'm still on the road, heading for another joint." -- B. Dylan

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 05:26:03 PM EST
    It's essentially legalized in california BS. It's a felony to grow even one plant, and it's still a misdemeanor to possess any amount. That's BS! And the person who made that statement hides behind anonimity as well. How can we attribute such a statement except to say the poster knew it was BS and that's why they decided to hide their identity. 11362.5 and 11362.7 of the California Health and Safety Code. Look it up! Lord knows you won't believe me if I quote it.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#48)
    by Patrick on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 07:13:13 PM EST
    Above by me....LOL

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 07:39:41 PM EST
    Partially legalized under CA law; the State's rights $R in the federal gov't, though...they want to dictate our rights so we have to beg them from them. Inalienable rights remain so, regardless of the tyranny of gov't. CA gov't is more enlightened than the moralists in DC who can't get their peckers out of their secretaries long enough to realize that they are morally-dead boozers who should just shut their mouths while they try to finish their time in the human glass house without piling up yet more camel's full of goods that aren't going with them.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#50)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 08:34:56 PM EST
    KDog is right with his comment on drug warriors criminalizing marijuana much more than it needs to be. The commericals on television that have been put out recently also do the same, as well as programs such as D.A.R.E. There has been countless studies that prove that marijuana is harmless. Hell, they even proved that alcohol is MORE DANGEROUS than marijuana. Need proof? Go to www.erowid.org and do your research. Yet alcohol is legal. Tell me why that is Patrick? I don't necessarily blame the people that caused "violence" in your county. If somebody knew I bought a brand new t.v. because there was a empty box by my trash can, and tried to break in to steal it, I'd shoot them too. If marijuana was legal and companies started producing quality product, alot of these backyard growers would stop growing for obvious reasons. You've never grown mairjuana before Pat, so you can't argue on how easy or hard it is, so please don't try. If quality product was availiable for puchase at local stores, I guarantee alot of people would stop growing and just go the easy route, to avoid the hassle and not to mention EXPENSE of growing. Of course there are those that would still grow, but who cares? If it's legal, and they break into your house to steal it, it's robbery. They deserve to either go to jail or be shot. Marijuana may be their motive for breaking into a house, but your making it seem like it's not even a crime to rob a person. People still brew their own alcohol, but since it's legal nobody is breaking into their house... Coincedence? I think not.

    Re: Study: Cannibis Drug Reduces Cancer Pain (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 08:39:36 PM EST
    Oh ya, and like Paul said. You can't OD on marijuana, so the whole quality control and processing statement is the real BS.

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