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By TChris, Section War on Terror
Posted on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 09:18:05 AM EST
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Six human rights investigators for the United Nations released a joint statement today criticizing the United States for failing to take more effective action to curb prisoner abuses at Guantanamo. The investigators "voiced fresh concern at reports of inhuman and degrading treatment of inmates at Guantanamo, saying the global fight against terrorism would be weakened if countries failed to uphold basic legal protections."

Recent moves, including the "Combatant Status Review Tribunals" created by the Pentagon last year following a Supreme Court rebuke and the release of four Britons and an Australian held as terrorism suspects, were "insufficient to dispel the serious concerns" over conditions, the inspectors added.

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    • UN Critical of Guantanamo | 19 comments (19 topical)
    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#1)
    by brian on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 09:51:49 AM EST
    Has anyone told Condi?

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 10:43:19 AM EST
    PPJ - two wrongs don't make a right. However, prisoner abuse doesn't compare to the deaths of thousands due to the oil/food scandal. Diverting those funds from humatarian needs for private greed is truly barbaric. And Andreas, Conscious Angel, Soccerdad, or Kdog take a long breath before you try to make a moral equivalence this. This is the kind of moral issue which the left has been on the wrong side on.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:21:42 AM EST
    It's fascinating how people like PPJ et al manage to be totally unaware about the history of the oil for food program, and how a certain superpower fighted tooth and nail to keep it running, despite overwhelming and early evidence of the catastrophic consequences.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:31:26 AM EST
    Brian she would have no idea of what to do with the info, from Guantanamo and bush would never ask her to look into it,(little joke) but for the U.N. TO Ask any questions is also a joke, its good cop bad cop show. by the way the government just said we are not in a war on terrorism, or did we really have an invasion, and we were only looking for a little Oasis? Brian stop asking question its not nice! and for anyone asking any question about how are great government is doing, "just say no" and say nothing but yes to our great Bush and business. what is Guantanamo but a nice place for really sad people who are asking for help, a great camp with great unending job potentials and a great place for all the families of our one world ideals. much love to bush and bin laden, are both family?

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:32:13 AM EST
    I agree with PPJ. Because the oil for food program in Iraq was a disaster, we are right to torture Afghani prisoners in Guantanamo and the UN should shut up, insufferable idiots.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#7)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:33:13 AM EST
    True, in all the condemnation of oil-for-food scandals, I've heard no criticism for the current administration which also supported it. But then again, to expect these people to criticize both sides of an issue might,just might, be too much to expect.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:54:42 AM EST
    The Bush Rats have blueprints for mini Gitmos in western states to start the big round up of everybody who dissents and Alberto Chupacabra Gonzales will be the bandito in charge of this operation. "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!" thIS SOCAlled nation has been on the Road to Hell since Macarthur routed out the BOnus Marchers. The oil/food scandal cooked up to whack the UN just another side show, folks, don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain. Well! And they lie to me and say the biopsy shows nothing. Like Bush doesn't want to protect his buddies in the asbestos cartel.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:54:58 AM EST
    It is about time they came out. The lack of humanity and flagrant violation of international we are demonstrating is embarassing and despicable. Good for them.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 12:04:09 PM EST
    I'm sure Rummy will dismiss these findings as "frivolous" while of course calling the oil-for-food scandal a reason for completely overhauling the U.N. He will not mention the U.S. role in enabling the scandal and the way it which we used it to reward our puppets. Why do you think Jordan is so eager to participate in our torture renditions? The Memory Hole is wide and deep.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 12:10:59 PM EST
    Hey I like what Dred Fawes(good play on my name) but remember this thing of right and wrong is coming from one place the bush boys, the oil for food bull is a real nice setup and it did not work the way bush and business wanted to so the boys will go to plan B. Watch-out for the coming bull from our great Bush. also read what the bush bill is really all-about, social security, or business security? it all comes down to one word "monopoly" have fun in our new idea of the third world for many and a great life for a few.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 12:47:48 PM EST
    "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
    Hey! That's my line.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#13)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 03:07:34 PM EST
    The nameless post is not from me this time, PPJ. However, I'll take this opportunity to point out that while Saddam managed to skim some money off the oil for food program, he didn't by any stretch "keep the money" for the whole program. If you check out the Volcker report, you'll find that the program was largely successful in keeping the Iraqi economy from a catastrophic collapse.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#14)
    by soccerdad on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 03:28:17 PM EST
    Look over there oil for food. The other part of this was that the US knew what the sanctions were doing in Iraq and Albright basically said that was ok. No one here has excused what Saddam did. But the right always says "well they were worse so we are ok." The assumption made by the right is that all the suffering was due solely to the oil-for food and thats not been shown to be true, although there is little doubt it was important. We also destroyed infrastructure which because of sanctions could not be rebuilt.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:28:20 PM EST
    Infracstructure was not built, but despite the sanctions it seems Saddam and his odious sons lavished money on his palaces, with enough left over for ample kickbacks to the West. Surely infrastructure could have been maintained if they had wanted. Bagdad and Sunni areas were supplied with power and amenities, at the expense of the rest of Iraq.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:46:59 PM EST
    Adept - What should Clinton and Bush have done? Withdraw from the prograM? That's dumb.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#17)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 08:23:54 PM EST
    PPJ- "that's dumb" That's your opinion. I believe a US withdrawl from the program would have forced a reasessment that could have led to a superior program with greater direct aid to the Iraqi people. Preferably without killing tens of thousands of them, and killing and maiming thousands of Americans. Of course, that's just my opinion.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 02:55:17 AM EST
    If we're going to talk about the Oil For Food scam, surely we should also talk about the billions creamed off by US companies from the post invasion reconstruction fund. Can someone explain to me why is it less obnoxious for the US to invade Iraq, kill 100,000 of its people and steal 4 billion dollars than for individuals to skim money from the Oil for Food program? At least those people weren't bombing civilians whilst they robbed them. I guess those on the right will say "well, we're not as bad as THEM - we only stole 4 billion, but they stole 20 billion". It's the same moral relativism that lets them look at Abu Ghraib and claim that what happened there is OK because Saddam worse. Disgusting.

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 07:50:08 AM EST
    Yep, Jim is right. Gitmo isn't that bad. What we really need to do is start torturing those UN idiots til we get the truth out of them. If it takes years and we never get the story, so what?

    Re: UN Critical of Guantanamo (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 07:54:51 AM EST
    Ian - Perhaps you can produce someone of Paul Vocker's stature to support your claims that US companies have done anything illegal. Adept - Okay, that's your opinion. Mine is that Clinton would never have done so because it would have subjected him to extreme criticism by the MSM and the Left in general. But, to be fair, I don't think he had the opportunity to do so.

    UN Critical of Guantanamo | 19 comments (19 topical)