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Kuwaiti Prisoners Claim U.S. Soldiers Abused Them

Six released Kuwaiti prisoners, held in Afghanistan, have made serious abuse allegations against U.S. soldiers:

Six Kuwaiti prisoners said they were severely beaten, given electric shocks and sodomized by U.S. forces in Afghanistan before they confessed to fighting with the Taliban and were sent to the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, their lawyer said Monday.

Captured in Pakistan or Afghanistan about three years ago, the Kuwaiti men were taken to U.S. bases in Afghanistan where they were hung by their wrists, beaten with chains and subjected to electric shock, said Tom Wilner, who represents a dozen Kuwaiti captives.

...At Guantanamo, two detainees said they had crosses shaved into their scalp or body hair. The group said they were stripped naked and kept hooded for long periods of time, and female guards taunted them, Wilner said..... "You told them what they wanted to hear to make them stop," one detainee told Wilner. The men said that after torture they admitted they had joined the Taliban or met with al-Qaida members.

There are so many instances of torture by U.S. troops now, in so many locales, that the "few bad apples" theory is just pathethic. This abuse is systemic, and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld needs to admit he's accountable and that the buck stops with him.

Where are the Congressional hearings into the abuse? Why is the only investigation being done by the Army and the Justice Department Inspector General's office? Once again, the Executive Branch investigates itself. We need an independent investigation. Those being held for three years without charges should be returned to their home countries and granted freedom, now.

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    Plexico said some of the abuse allegations seemed to follow an al-Qaida training manual tactic of making false claims. Not saying it's so, but certainly it's a possibility. What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Surely members of the armed forces deserve this fundamental assumption.

    Secretary of State Rumsfeld? [Ed. Good eye, I fixed it. Thanks.]

    my boyfriend is about to go to Afghanistan.. i care about him a lot. and its their fault that our men are dieing left and right. remember what happened on that day((september 11th)) thousands were killed for nothing. i have no remorse for those bastards.

    Go along with him Jessie. It's clear from the photo albums from the front that there is work for guys and gals. The military is having trouble with recruitment, why not help them out?

    Gee, those poor Kuwaitis just out enjoy the soothing rays of the Afgani Hindu Kush. Quite the Vacation spot. Bet they didn't even know there was a war on. wrong place at the wrong time, I guess... give me a break. I'd be hard pressed to believe them if they said the sky was blue. My initial take is this is BS. This falls in line with EVERYONE in prison being innocent- it may be TL's job to believe that, but most won't.

    My initial take is this is BS. The survivors from Auschwitz are liars, also. No need to even concern ourselves with it.

    Isn't it ironic that, thanks to Bush & Co's public endorsement of torture, any allegation of torture by US soldiers on their prisoners must be seriously considered - because, all too often, vile stories dismissed as BS by prisoners-with-a-grudge have turned out to be completely factual? I can think of other words. But "ironic" is the politest. If you don't like it that US soldiers now have an international reputation as torturers... well, the time to "do something" would have been 2 November 2004. What can you do now against the pro-torture administration?

    brooke and jessie, are you the moron twins? nobody from iraq had anything to do with 9/11

    While Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, these men were captured in either Afganistan or Pakistan. Regardless of where they were captured, any information gathered after the prisoner was tortured is no good. Someone being tortured will tell you anything, ANYTHING, to stop the torture. Doesn't matter if it's the truth, just as long as it's what they want to hear.

    Klaatu- Are you suggesting we have a Gas Chamber/Oven setup going down Gitmo way? Do you really think there is a comparision? Please. My point is I don't buy that this large of a group of Kuwaitis in Afganistan is not AQ tied. As a result, you have to question the veracity of their statements since AQ trains its people to claim torture/false imprisonment/etc. if captured.

    I wouldn't go so far as to call Brooke and Jessie the moron twins, maybe just to young to fully understand the extent of what has really taken place and continues to take place in the Middle East. That's the problem that we are having with our soldiers. Most of them are young and gungho and don't really understand why they are there. I have a hard time with these allegations about our soldiers. I really do feel like the soldiers are getting the raw end of the deal. They are leaving their families to go off to a place where every move they make could get them in trouble, and may not make it back home to ever see their loved ones again. We need to support our troops more even if we don't support why they are there. They signed up and they have no other choice but to go where they are told. Brooke and Jessie, the best advice that I can give you is to support the troops and your loved ones and put your faith in God that he will bring them home.

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    by kdog on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:11:31 AM EST
    Brooke and Jessie seem to think that every arab is a terrorist. Don't you have to commit an act of terror, or finacially support one, in order to be considered a terrorist? Every person captured in Afghanistan is not a terrorist. For every true terrorist, there is a poor schmuck caught in the wrong place, wrong time. Call me crazy, I don't think they all deserve to be tortured and killed. Over 100,000 people have been killed worldwide in response to 9/11, is that enough vengeance for the 3000 we lost? The bloodlust of others never ceases to amaze me, and bloodlust only serves to ensure another attack against us.

    et al - Will someone provide us with a credible link detailing that torture and abuse will not provide you with useful information? DISCLAIMER: I am against torture. I'd just like to have some solid facts rather everyone repeating what they think they have heard. Any experts here? Any links? kdog - Every moslem is not a terrorist, but here lately, every terrorist has been a moslem.

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    by kdog on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 12:04:57 PM EST
    Except McVeigh, his associates, and the Anthrax guy (as far as we know), right Jim? We can agree there are a few muslim terrorists out to kill. I can't make the leap of assumption that every muslim that makes his way into US custody is one of them. That's why I like trials, hearings, or some kind of due process. Rather than the mentality of "they all deserve to be killed/tortured/detained"

    Eric Rudolph and the folks who helped him hide out after the bombings which the goverment accuses him of carrying out, as well, kdog.

    mfox - And your point is? My request was for someone to post a link that shows that torture doesn't provide intelligence of value, not that torture is bad. And as you sell hawk buicks into the john, you might consider that you didn't answer the question. Of course you can't, because you have no training along that line. Ho Hum. Steve - Sorry. All the Slate piece says is that torture is bad, and any information obatained is excluded from court. We know torture is bad. As far the exclusion goes, what they are looking for info on how catch/kill other terrorists. kdog - So you repeat my comment: "lately" Way to go. et al - Come on people. You have repeated that "torture doesn't work" saying until it has whiskers. Surely you can prove it. Surely......

    DA - "What was done in such cases was “not nice,” he says. “But we did not physically abuse them.” Rothrock used psychology, the shock of capture and of the unexpected." Ah, for once we can agree. So now the question becomes, after the shock of capture is over with, what do you do to get, and keep, them off balance? Here again, I make the disclaimer that I am against torture. Remember. Rothrock had the prisoners almost immediately after capture. He indicates no expertise in later interrogations. The issue, I suspect, is the definition of what "is not nice," to quote Rothrock. Many, who comment here, would say embarassing the prisoner is torture. And BTW - I still see no link to anything or anyone with any real proof torture doesn't work. According to you, Rejali uses waffle wording, "no clear examples" and "helped the French in Algeria." The first indicates some cloudiness on the issue, and the second just says it didn't help "in Algeria." Both are subjective. i.e. Did it help in Paris to catch terrorists who were blowing up buildings, and people?

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    by soccerdad on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 07:06:39 AM EST
    PPJ - since you don't like people's citations saying torture doesn't work why don't you put forth some citations that it does.

    SD - I am not the one saying that it does. You are. Or are you incapable of reading the above. I am the one who says he would like to see some links proving that it doesn't. To me that would provide both a moral and a material reason not to torture, since some people do not have a good set of morals.

    SD - Correction. That should read: I am not the one that says it does not. You are.

    awwwww....but it's so much fun! And so much easier than having real intelligence operations!

    Re: Kuwaiti Prisoners Claim U.S. Soldiers Abused T (none / 0) (#27)
    by glanton on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 11:56:36 AM EST
    PPJ: Someone on this site said recently, that he'd tell you whatever you wanted to hear as long as you promised to stop sticking that light bulb up his arse! Not a "link," but a powerful argument nonetheless, questioning the potential material value of info gleened during torture. As for the moral problem: if you acknowledge that it exists (and I am grateful that you do), then why do we need to carry this conversation any further anyway? With all the money we pour into our "intelligence," you'd think we could get what we need without resorting to morally depraved acts. A thought, by the way, which I for the most part continue to entertain.

    LoL That was kdog, glanton.