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Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital Bed

In the latest example of taser abuse at the hands of cops, an Orlando man was handcuffed to a hospital bed for refusing to take a urine test that would confirm he had ingested cocaine, as he earlier had told the police. A nurse tried to insert a catheter in him to get the urine. The man protested, and while still chained to the bed, the cop jumped him an then tasered him - twice:

...police officer Peter Linnenkamp noted that he jumped on the bed with his knees on Wheeler's chest to restrain him. Then, when Wheeler still refused to let the catheter be inserted, Linnenkamp said he twice used his Taser gun, which sends 50,000 volts into a target.

This is as ridiculous as the incident last week where Aurora, Colorado cops last week tasered a guy who failed to pay for his salad at a Chucky Cheese kids restaurant that was filled at the time with kids and parents.

Law enforcement is sinking to new lows. And the "few bad apples" theory doesn't hold because those responsible for training these trigger-happy cops are also at fault. [link via Mark at Norwegianity.]

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    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#1)
    by cp on Wed Mar 09, 2005 at 07:01:00 PM EST
    at this point, what else is there to say? clearly, at least a percentage of our law enforcement officers have gone off the deep end. this goes back even before training, to whoever decided these people should be hired in the first place. perhaps, it's time to revisit whatever psych evaluations applicants are subjected to, they apparently aren't doing the job. i suppose it could have been worse, he might just have shot him, and been done with it. i am still convinced, however, that these people aren't truly representative of the law enforcement community as whole. god help us if they are!

    cp, you said it all, thank you. outrageous government will alway do evil, and a government like this guy bush will have us all someday in a third world war.its not only the cops but a mind set of a nation.

    Indeed. It's a nation of bullies. Bullies in the White House, bullies on the street, bullies have their own shows, bullies on the beat. Some people say we need bullies to run our country now. Problem is, bullies are cowards.

    or could the mind set be that in our desire to legislate morality and spread democracy, resulting in an endless inception to perpetual wars with no clear and identifiable enemy, everyone becomes the enemy or at least suspects. when law enforcement switched from the blue "security" uniform to the black "military special ops" outfits, i/you/we should have known this thing was going south. how to recover?

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#6)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 07:19:49 AM EST
    From this post: Law enforcement is sinking to new lows. And the "few bad apples" theory doesn't hold because those responsible for training these trigger-happy cops are also at fault. "We found no evidence to support the notion that the office of the secretary of defense (or other military or White House staff) applied explicit pressure for intelligence or gave 'back channel' permission to forces in the field in Iraq or in Afghanistan" to exceed the bounds of authorized interrogation practices, the report said. Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? Hellooooooooo?

    Waitaminute. Forcible catheterisation is legal in the USA? What the hell is that about?

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#8)
    by wishful on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 08:26:56 AM EST
    ajay, I'm with you. Nothing else in the story or the comments could sink in because all I could think was, "They can forcibly catheterise us? That's legal?"...over and over...

    One thing the American Justice system used to acknowledge and consider was the fact that law enforcement entities, by their very nature, breed abuse of power. Several members of my family were choosing between police and firefighting jobs and their spouses and families all encouraged the latter, because of the "good ole boy" comraderie and "us against them" influence that subtly and fundamentally changes a cop's relationship to his co-workers, his family or her relationship to their community. Honestly, IMHO, a high school education does not give a person the critical thinking skills and larger perspective to be able to hold so much power over people's lives. I would prefer that all police have at least an associates degree. Non-departmental oversight is just as important - for the good cops who are often ridiculed and intimidated to "go along" as well as for the rest of us.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#10)
    by Patrick on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 09:55:27 AM EST
    Mfox, Once a police officer (In California) completes the academy they damn near have an AA degree. While I won't argue that a higher education wouldn't hurt, there is no guarantee the someone who goes to college has better thinking skills than someone who doesn't. Many California police departments require 40-60 units before you can even apply. I can't speak for other states, and that may be where some of the disagreement comes from, perhaps I would agree more often if I had a different perspective. There are inate abilities that make good cops. Some people have them some don't. Education won't always provide them or make a bad candidate a good one.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#11)
    by Johnny on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:32:38 AM EST
    So if I get pulled over and the cop suspects me of drinking, if I refuse a urine or blood test, they can forcibly tie me down, jam a tube in my *ahem*, and tazer me? Twice? And people will defend this cop, they will rail against all the cop haters in the world... Never understanding why we are protesting this in the first place.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#12)
    by David on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:44:11 AM EST
    Minor Correction: It's "Chuck E. Cheese" -- not "Chucky Cheese." And given the nature of kid's video games nowadays, I don't know whether the kiddies would be at all shocked at the tasering.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#14)
    by Patrick on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 11:13:18 AM EST
    oUtsIdEl@@kN, Not sure I understand your comment....

    Mfox has a good point. And further, there's more to college than the education provided. They say street thugs who drop out of school retain their high school socialization perspectives and views of the world for years afterward because it was their last exposure to socialization and these perspectives were created when their minds weren't yet completely formed. Many of these dropouts don't move on emotionally toward maturity until they're forced into some type of actual employment (around their 30's) and exposed to a whole other social environ. Although it's true that college wouldn't guarantee a positive effect, there's no reason to think that these socialization skills wouldn't be improved by a few years in college under, basically, a totally different set of social rules. And then there's the view that relating to the world through the microcosm of the school age mind with accompanying perspectives could be a greater problem than one might think; jocks, bullying, cliques, weird or weak kids to be picked on, authority figures with absolute power (creating desires to either acquire authority or fight it), sexual perversions, the self-loathing and ultimate imprinting of the sadomasochistic machinations of the myopically irrational mind with limited exposure to the world let lose to form stunted rationales while play-acting responses, until the accumulated tension builds and becomes repressed in the individual, manifesting in some form of repeated self-abuse. (At least that's what i remember). The police academy wouldn't necessarily fulfill this role as it could be interpreted as merely indoctrination into a clique.

    being that close to what many of us here only see occasionally, and/or hear about, gives you a different more personal perspective, however, from my experience (in other areas) that perspective could possibly be corrupted/tainted. i.e., if a "career criminal" posted, his perspective on cops/criminals here, that perspective would be tainted in respect to the honesty/integrity/legality of law enforcement actions. not singling you out personally, some/many probably rise above that, but generally that possibility holds true. thinking of the old adage "familiarity breeds contempt".

    And then there's the view...
    that 2d para, wheeeewwww, sometimes we just get to darn deep in this space. would this be a fair understanding: immature a@$holes, who won't grow up, get caught-up in the real world.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#18)
    by Patrick on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 12:54:01 PM EST
    Point taken, but I was referring to the fact that California (IMO) has long been at the forefront of law enforcement (Good and bad for that matter)

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#19)
    by Patrick on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 01:03:41 PM EST
    Bit of clarification, I agree that some can loose their perspective fairly easily, but it is also easy to regain. Many of us are active in community service organizations, have children in school and other participate in other activities like sports, etc.... There they interact with people who are quite different from their (My) normal clientele. What I've found is those times give me a very good look at how misunderstood the profession of law enforcement is. Also, how that misunderstanding frequently manifests itself in extremes on both ends of the spectrum. As some in here would say, Shorter Pat, You have to take yourself out of the clique and put yourself into society or you risk loosing a valuable perspective. OK, that was more than a "bit" of clarification.

    Many of us are active in community service organizations, have children in school and other participate in other activities like sports, etc....
    that's the "officer friendly" that use to come by the school and have talks about saftey, career, etc., they don't do that much nowadays. it did make you feel that they were part of the community, not some foreign implant sent to oppress or extort money from you. i even remeber some programs that allowed citizens to ride with the officers on patrol to gain some perspective from their vantage point, i could see that working. so many questions, so few answers. the insight well, was insightful.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#21)
    by Patrick on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 03:25:37 PM EST
    And for the grammer police that roam these threads, it's losing not "loosing"....

    There is an old short story written by a doctor many years ago. It's supposedly fiction, but it has the air of somebody writing of something he had experienced, or thought about, anyway. It takes place when he made a house call--which dates it--and was trying to get a look down the throat of an ill girl who was, I believe, twelve years old. For some reason, she did not cooperate. It got to a fight with blood and splintered tongue depressors. Speaking of depressing, it was. Point is, you don't have to be in law enforcement to allow yourself to go over the edge, as most parents will remember if not admit. When your view is reasonable and when you have the power and the other party isn't going along, sometimes escalation occurs. It would be nice if law enforcement were immune to this trait, but it is probably going to come out in a good many people who have power over others. Including lefties. BTW, anybody remember the name of the story, or the author?

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 06:50:11 AM EST
    So if I get pulled over and the cop suspects me of drinking, if I refuse a urine or blood test, they can forcibly tie me down, jam a tube in my *ahem*, and tazer me? Twice?
    Good point Johnny. The fact that the state can forcibly jam tubes into sex organs is troubling enough, but then to tazer you if you are unwillingly and struggle to protect yourself? Orwell's "jackboot crushing a human face" vision of the future is coming to fruition. God help my country.

    Re: Florida Cops Taser Suspect Chained to Hospital (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 11:44:02 AM EST
    Che...since you work in a hospital (I think), I have a question, it kind of ties in here. Is drug testing patients common? I had to go to the emergency room last weekend for a bad stomach virus, I was puking like crazy. During the check-in, they ask if you are taking any prescription drugs ( I said no), and then they asked if you have taken illegal drugs. Thinking it's best not to lie to a doctor about such things, I said I had smoked mj about three days prior. I saw the attendant nurse mark it down on my chart. Later, while I was on the IV getting some anti-puking meds (great stuff!), a nurse came around to ask for a urine sample. They had already taken a blood sample, and I thought it odd/suspicous. I was too ill to argue, and I ended up checking out before giving them the urine. In your opinion, was the urine for a drug test? If you think it was, what the freak is up with that? Have hospitals been deputized in the war on drugs?

    it's grammar, not grammer

    Thanks for the tip, Dark. I am of two minds about going back to that story. The skill of the writer is such that no step in the process leading to what was eventually an assault is so large as to be implausible. That's the scary part. kdog. You must be trolling for malpractice suits with yourself as the primary exhibit. Suppose the hospital had taken your word for it and you'd lied. And there was a drug interaction which killed you. You think your zealous malpractice attorney would give the hospital a pass because they took your word for something? Obviously, even if they'd gotten you to sign something, it wouldn't count. Now, were I on that jury....

    The urine sample was for the sole purpose of properly suppling medical care. It was not for drug testing. In Florida there is no crime of being under the influence of drugs except when it come to driving. The hospital was moving forward with treatment that could have saved his life dispite his objections. It is common for people to die of a drug overdose once the stomach acid breaks through the drug packaging. This can happen hours or days after person is released from the hospital. The patients statement to law enforcement that he had swallowed cocaine started a chain of events designed for his protection. The state is soley responsible for his health and welfare once he is arrested. His violent behavior during the medical care that he required is what prompted the use of force.

    The urine sample was for the sole purpose of properly suppling medical care. It was not for drug testing. In Florida there is no crime of being under the influence of drugs except when it come to driving. The hospital was moving forward with treatment that could have saved his life dispite his objections. It is common for people to die of a drug overdose once the stomach acid breaks through the drug packaging. This can happen hours or days after person is released from the hospital. The patients statement to law enforcement that he had swallowed cocaine started a chain of events designed for his protection. The state is soley responsible for his health and welfare once he is arrested. His violent behavior during the medical care that he required is what prompted the use of force.

    Well said Vince. We quickly find blame without knowing the full story.

    "The urine sample was for the sole purpose of properly suppling medical care." Medical care can't be forced on an unwilling subject either. People have their rights.

    Nino, When people engage is suicidal behavior they are forced to get the medical care they need. It is legal in florida law under the incapacited persons act. The hospital has to move forward with the medical care. Swallowing cocaine that is packaged in plastic might be for the purposed of destroying evidence but it can easily have deadly effects. I was in the hospital at the time of this incident. If the hospital would not have forced care and let him go and he would have died the family and community would have been outraged. Sometimes you have to help people dispite their ignorance.

    Hater, Sorry to hear you have such a problem with authority figures. Don't you find it odd that most society can live in peace with the police but you seem to have an ongoing problem. It doesn't take a sociologist to figure out that perhaps you are the problem. The police are an extention of society. They enforce social norms that were codified for the betterment of all. I hope someday you can release yourself from your teenage hate of the police and join society. If your mom would have told you no more as a child this wouldn't have happened to you. The evaluation might do you some good right now, don't wait three months.