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By Jeralyn, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 07:42:28 AM EST
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    Terri Schiavo is Dead | 52 comments (52 topical)
    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 07:51:27 AM EST
    She's free now.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#2)
    by Adept Havelock on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 07:56:04 AM EST
    Rest in peace Terri.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 07:58:21 AM EST
    Parable of immortality - Henry (Jackson) Van Dyke - 1852 - 1933 I am standing by the seashore. A ship at my side spreads her white sails to the morning breeze and starts for the blue ocean. She is an object of beauty and strength, and I stand and watch until at last she hangs like a peck of white cloud just where the sun and sky come down to mingle with each other. Then someone at my side says, 'There she goes! Gone where? Gone from my sight - that is all. She is just as large in mast and hull and spar as she was when she left my side and just as able to bear her load of living freight to the places of destination. Her diminished size is in me, not in her. And just at the moment when someone at my side says, 'There she goes! ' , there are other eyes watching her coming, and other voices ready to take up the glad shout : 'Here she comes!'

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:14:59 AM EST
    My sympathy goes out to Terri's family, especially Michael who had to make the heart breaking decision to have her tube removed. He knew her wishes. He stayed by her side. So what if he went on with his life after doing all he could to try to bring Terri back after her collapse. I read somewhere that he said that he loves her. He didn't do it for himself, he did it to keep a promise to Terri. Now, if her blood family will stay out of the press and the courts, Terri can rest in peace. She deserves to. I'm sure she would not have wanted her blood family to have brought all the attention to her. Michael didn't do that. She is in a better place now and has a new body and a new life and will be watching down on her loved ones and is now their guardian angel.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:27:27 AM EST
    Sigh. It brings up some personal emotions, because we just went through this with my grandma in January. I hope the family will find some healing in the coming months--living with the anger they have built up is not good for any of them.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:30:41 AM EST
    My prayers are with her family and her husband It has certainly renewed my resolve to put my wishes about when I do, and do not, wish people to use medical means to extend my life in writing. Seven years of battle no longer occur if there is no doubt of her wishes

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:32:54 AM EST
    Murder is murder, but this one was government approved, this is not only state murder but the future for all old and hopless, You Are Next! One evil empire kills one more! and as far as jackson is concerned he is a joke, and was only looking for his name to be connected to the schiavo state murder of a helpless woman. So H.H. Bush. he is now on Fox News talking about life, when will he order mass murder's of the old?

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:40:15 AM EST
    RIP...Sorry we didn't let you go privately with your dignity.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#9)
    by aw on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:57:03 AM EST
    Um, Fred, how long should she have been kept alive? 20 years, 30, 40, or until she was so riddled with disease that there'd be nowhere left to insert any tubes any more?

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:57:35 AM EST
    Murder is murder, but this one was government approved, this is not only state murder but the future for all old and hopless, You Are Next!
    Remember, this is a woman who doctors have repeatedly said was brain-dead, and who has lived in a hospital bed for 15 years without communicating with anyone or showing signs of recovering. The state sponsored murder is happening in Iraq and Afghanastan, where we are shooting people by order of the government. How can you be outraged about the government allowing a husband to make a treatment decision for his wife?

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 09:22:38 AM EST
    Who does the GOP get to hump now to "excite their base"? It's good to see that her parents at least got a good price to sell off the contact info for those kind souls who gave money to promote anti-choice ^H^H^H^H err... help their legal fund. Maybe that'll soothe the pain they felt when they didn't get what they felt was their fair share of the malpractice settlement.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 09:55:21 AM EST
    Very Nice, Horse. How fitting and becoming - suits my feelings exactly. Fred has a point, but her husband killed her Fred - the government just declined to interfere after making sure he wasn't a Scott Peterson type. Beemer, you may be right. The parents have been grossly manipulated and it may rise out of their inability to separate Terri and Mike's life from their own. It sure seems like they felt they were entitled to part of Mike's lost spousal support portion of the settlement (did they ask Mike and Terri for a portion of her salary while she was alive to defray their childrearing costs?). But lets spend a day at least without acrimony and blame honoring Terri's memory. Everyone who has typed her name or invoked our perception of her wishes owes her at least this much. Anyone attracting ratings by discussing this issue tonight owes her the same. As a follow-up, let's see who goes for the book deals...

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 10:11:47 AM EST
    It seem that our governmentis willing to let people die. People can not get organ transplants. If you are disavantaged poor you dont have a chance in our court system. My mother was almost put to death because of her age. She has a feeding tube. I fought to put a feeding tube in her. the docter gave her drugs without my consent, morphine, insuline. I am the guardian. I did not have much of a say so. My mother is now eating by mouth. The courts and the hospital fought me to end her life. The nurse told me what kind of quility of life will she have if she lives. this nurse wrote letters to the judge. The AHCCCS system worker nurse docter all ganged up on me. Thay tried to get a restraining order agenst me. The fact of the mater is that helpless people do not have a quality of life if you dont try to help them they are helpless. I hope these judges and docters rember this, when it happens to them. She loves to go out to the casino and dinner. My mother has a smile that will lite you up.You want medical records I have plenty of them to show you. vidio tapes of my mother before and after the drugings. My mother would point to the door when the docter was trying to end her. she was fighting for her life. The court and the docters were working on a restraining order. I have documented my case with the citizens commission on human rights. The court system tried to break me financaly.My mother is alive and getting better every day because I bring her food. She has a tube attached to this day for medication she cant swollow. Please contact me I need some help. My name is David Thompson. My address is 3302 E 28th Street Tucson Arizona. I need a attorney. I have run out of money. I want my story to be heard by the courts. The judge was not fair and caused most of my problems. My phone number is 520-358-1689. My mother is not getting physical theraphy or speach theraphy. I had her evaluated by the university of arizona speach and hearing department. I just dont have $50 dollars a hour for speach to help her. Arizona goverment will not help her. I beleive she can learn to talk. She is being denied her right to get better because of money.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 10:12:45 AM EST
    If Michael Schiavo is a murderer then so is Nancy Reagan. She did exactly the same thing. With so many people who loved and cared about her -I am sure she is in a state of grace.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#15)
    by Al on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 10:47:06 AM EST
    Perfect timing by Jesse Jackson. Rest in peace, Terri.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 11:45:29 AM EST
    American Holocaust stage II.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 12:07:53 PM EST
    R.I.P. Terri---but unfortunately the crazies in this country, like the folks already posting that this will be used, somehow, against the old, sick, etc. will never let you go. They are to busy using your life and memory to justify their delusions.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 12:22:44 PM EST
    You're definitely in a better place, Terri. You'd be embarrassed by the spectacle your family has created. With total disregard for the other dying patients, there were jugglers. disabled people writhing on the ground and a man carrying chicken wearing a hat hooting and hollering outside! I've never seen such blatant disrespect for others. All you religious extremists, GO AWAY!! This is my city and we want it back!

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 12:24:25 PM EST
    The process of law beats the passion of the people. And that's how it should be!!!

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 12:28:19 PM EST
    Terri's gotten more due process than any of us could ever hope to have!! I was a lifelong Republican but after witnessing the interventon of Congress and the vitriol of the religious right, I'm running away as fast as I can into th arms of the Democratic party! I think others wil too!

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 12:36:00 PM EST
    Guardian does illustrate a very real example of compassion usurped by cost/benefit considerations. What is your mothers diagnosis, Guardian? Under what premise did the hospital decide that she wanted to die? I think this is why the NEXT-OF-KIN should have the ultimate say and/or veto power (and sometimes counseling to help make this decision). I support Michael Shiavo's decision for this reason. However, in the 6 month old Baby in TX or Guardian's mom's situation, I strongly object to a hospital having the right to assume "custody" or whatever you call it. My advice, Guardian, move to Cambridge. Despite some who will no-doubt pre-judge my opinions because of my place of residence, we value all life here and there would be great medical care and resources for you and your mom. Otherwise, if nothing else Terri's case may help you get a pro bono lawyer for the publicity. Write to the Shiavos. Write to Tom DeLay. Write to Bush and quote his erring on the side of insurance comp...oops I meant the side of life statement.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 12:44:21 PM EST
    A gung-ho pro-life co-worker today commented on the pope..."What are they gonna pull his tube out too?" I replied...."That's up to his next of kin if he didn't leave written instructions, not you or I or any gov't." All I got back was a blank stare filled with scorn.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 01:44:18 PM EST
    When we start making decisions on whether we should kill someone, or not (and you can call it what you want, but Terri got killed with starvation)...we start a very dangerous downward spiral on how we view the value of life. Today it's Terri, tomorrow it will be the quadraplegic who's 100% mentally sound. The day after tomorrow, it will be the meantally ill, who will be seen as a "nuisance and a burden" to society. We'll be deciding for them too, that their life is not worth living, just because they have no written will. All it will take is for their husband or wife to step forward and claim, truthfully or not, that their now mentally sick once told them they would never want to live as a mentally disabled person. And we'll still be thinking that we value life. The real tragedy is that life is no longer sacred. We now accept to end life whenever it no longer suits us. The nazis did it. We are starting to do it too...and this is just the beginning. If you think this comparison is outrageous, think again. The Pre-nazi era average German man or woman was just like you, like us. Yet, even after he found out the true, he still allowed the mentally sick, and the disabled (to name a few) to be killed. He thought he was a decent, compassionate and morally sound person. 50 years from now, our children and grand children will wonder how a generation of allegedly civilized people, claimed they respected life, yet they starved a woman to death. But we have become insensitive and accustomed to those bizarre contradictions. Our culture is full of them. Just a few centuries ago, we carried bibles around and preached love for our fellow human. While holding the bible in one hand, we held a cane in the other, and we beat savagely the black slave just because he was black. Today, many people celebrate the death of Terri, since that's what they wanted....just because they didn't like what they saw of her. Is life now worthless when it doesn't look pretty, and when it's no longer lived accordingly to our own standards of a good/normal life? If this is our view of life, we are a sorry generation. But the sorriest is that we don't even see it.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 01:54:27 PM EST
    Come along Watson. What gives YOU the right to claim that YOU or WE killed Terri. What gives you the right to intervene in MY life if I don't want to live like Terri is with my parents (God forbid, in my case) wiping my ass and the drool off my mouth every day. Quality of life involves more than life at all costs. In Tony Morrison's Beloved, a mother tries to kill her children rather than return them to the horrific circumstances of her slavery when the Fugitive Slave Law was enacted. She was jailed, of course, but Toni Morrison makes the dilemma human. I am adopted and upon meeting my biological mother she told me that if it hadn't been illegal she would have aborted me. I don't hold this against her. The hospital, courts and reluctantly government eventually had to honor Terri's wishes as expressed through her husband. I hope you all will allow me the same (although I'm not one for this drawn out starvation thing - preferring a bullet or O.D.).

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 01:55:27 PM EST
    "The national government will defend and maintain the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past years." Adolph Hitler, taken from The Speeches of Adolph Hilter 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeen, Phd.; London, Oxford University Press 1942, pp.871-872.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 01:59:51 PM EST
    Well, Sean, when my dad was dying of lung cancer, I'm grateful that you weren't around to prolong his suffering for your idiot's delight.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 02:11:12 PM EST
    The Schindler family held a press conference and specifically asked people to stop using hate speech and threats - that it was not the spirit of their religion or how they felt. They also thanked the media for all their help and support. And that thank you was certainly well deserved the media went out of their way to cover the Schindler's and their supporters and now they are having to retract their hateful speech because they have put the entire Schiavo family at risk.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 02:50:50 PM EST
    Schiavo died a long, long time ago. The Constitution died two weeks ago. Let's hope someone finds a way to revive it.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 02:55:21 PM EST
    Where was the mercy? Where was the due process? Where was Michael? Oh...that's right. He was home in bed with his girlfriend and their two kids. Sanctity of marriage...my ass!

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#30)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 03:07:40 PM EST
    Where was the due process?
    Wha? Where were you? This has been dragging thru the courts for years.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 03:23:35 PM EST
    "Today, millions of Americans are saddened by the death of Terri Schiavo," Bush said. "Laura and I extend our condolences to Terri Schiavo's family." George W. Bush I would venture to say that 45 million americans are saddened daily that they have no health insurance. Millions of Americans? How about we task congress with finding out how many americans are truly saddened by her death and how many are friggin THRILLED it will not be on the news 24/7 soon? My guess is that millions is an exaggeration relative to those that are sad, and multi millions who are happy to not have to watch that drivel any longer.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 04:26:16 PM EST
    That bastard Micheal Shiavo wouldn't even let her parents or siblings in the room while she died. I hope his whore of a mistress keeps his parents and siblings away from Michael when he dies. I know there's a cold spot in hell for that assh*le once he croaks.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 04:45:49 PM EST
    Neocon channels the Priests for Liars Pavone --the parents were not even at the hospice and the brother was asked to leave for getting into a fight with one of the police officers. Even the family isn't telling this lie anymore

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 05:40:01 PM EST
    JLV...once again...well said.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 06:06:15 PM EST
    All you religious extremists, GO AWAY!! This is my city and we want it back! What are you talking about? A lot of them live right here in the Tampa area right next door to us. I agree with Kdog. Sorry Terry couldn't have been allowed to die in peace /w/ dignity. But you know, the Republicans had to make a point and all. Actually, normally crude conservative talk radio here in Tampa actually were trying to define the difference between the "Pro Life Movement" and regular religious conservatives. I applaud them for making an attempt to move away from their usual Zero Sum thought patterns, but ultimately, it just makes them that much more hypocritical for supporting war corporatism at the expense of innocents.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#36)
    by glanton on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 06:08:34 PM EST
    JLV: Nopem. wouldn't be prudent to talk about that 45 million. And no use being glad the coverage circus in Pinellas is ending because they'll find soemthing else to carp on, quicker than we can blink: a sniper or a nightclub fire or something a homosexual did. Something. Anything.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:02:26 PM EST
    Given the failure of the judiciary in this case . . . there were plenty of people willing to care for Terri . . . we are quickly approaching a time (if we have not already reached it) when court orders will no longer be morally binding. The Courts foisted Roe v. Wade on us, and now this. Why should we obey any more?

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ambiorix on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:26:01 PM EST
    So Spainster, the mask came off, your weren’t telling lies about Terri & Micheal Shiavo because you didn’t know better, you were just mobilizing to undo the right to choose

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 08:39:02 PM EST
    desertswine: Dragged through the courts like the O.J. Simpson trial....Wha? Where have YOU been? Oh yeah...with your head stuck in the "secular" sand. Wake up and smell the coffee....Terri Schiavo did not get "due process".

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#40)
    by Adept Havelock on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 09:27:12 PM EST
    Sallyann, can provide us with a solid analysis of the legal relationship between the OJ Simpson case and the Schiavo case, without pejoratives? Or are you just trolling in a Eulogy thread? You honestly believe there wasn't due process in the Schiavo case? Oy.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 31, 2005 at 11:47:34 PM EST
    It is Terri's parents and siblings fault that they were not allowed to be in the room when Terri passed. I don't blame Michael for having them leave the room so he could be with her because he loves her, is her husband, and the Shindler's didn't have enough sense to be nice to Michael and talked about him like a dog and it was uncomfortable for the Shindler's and him to be in the room at the same time. I watched the news very, very early this morning and Michael said, according to the news that all he wants is an apology from the Shindler's. What's next from them? A suit against Michael? For what? There is nothing to sue him for. Nor is there anything that the judicial system should be sued for. If I am not mistaken, Michael could sue the Shindler's for defamation of character since they broadcast all over the US and the world the things they called him. Michael, as her husband/guardian WAS at her bedside when she passed. If any of you watch the news you would know that. Her blood family was with her 10 minutes before she passed and then asked to leave and Michael was with her when she left this world. Her blood relatives were allowed in to see her right after she died. All of this is according to the news. I have told my husband that if I am ever in the shape Terri was in with no hope of getting better or being able to fulfill my "wifely duties" (and I'm sure you know what I am talking about), he can get "you know what" somewhere else. I think the Shindler's were just looking for their 15 minutes of fame. They say they are devout Catholics yet they called in Jessie Jackson. He is not Catholic. And as for all the radicals that were there protesting and making sure they were in front of the cameras, the same goes for them. They also picked the absolute wrong person to speak for them and by that I mean Randall Terry. Just look at his past record. A lot of things the Shindler's did makes their character as questionable as some of the people they had speak for them. And, if Michael had anything to hide, he wouldn't have requested an autopsy. My wishes are clear, will be put on paper and a video tape of me saying exactly what my wishes are.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 04:59:27 AM EST
    Spainster-The issue is not that there were so many people willing to care for Terri. The issue is that her husband went through the proper legal channels for years to prove that she would not have wanted to be cared for in this horrible condition. All the judges who heard the case agreed. The Schindler's have a last opportunity to be gracious and make peace with Terri's husband. Apparently they are not taking that opportunity. Michael treated Terri like a grown woman and his wife at the end. His place was beside her and I'm sure he would have let her family there too had they not created such hoorible circumstances. They were intent on treating her as a brain damaged CHILD. She wasn't a child. She deserved the dignity and respect that Michael fought so hard to give her. God Bless him... he was a good husband.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 07:30:08 AM EST
    I don't think of the parents as evil, just sadly manipulated. A medical person commented last night or this am (it's all a big blur at this point) that in a PVS families without understanding of the medical aspects of brain function often read lucidity into the patients apparent "resonsiveness". Remember, the parents aren't claiming that they wanted Terri as she was to live, they just refused to believe the medical diagnosis and "anthropomorphized" their daughters condition (like when people say their dog understands everything they say and talks back). So they weren't arguing for Terri's right to life in a PVS, but that she was NOT in a PVS and would get better if given therapy. Unfortunatly, this is the same argument used to defend fetuses at all stages of development - that somehow they "know" what's going on. So of course the Roe v. Wade opponents (or the scientists are a bunch of overeducated God-hating liberals crowd - as I like to think of them)are exploiting the Shindlers sadly mistaken judgment. I wonder what their feelings would have been if they had accepted the diagnosis? Will we ever know? Will the autopsy help? I also wonder at the Shindlers "We know best what Terri would want" attitude - as from my studying this is exactly the kind of pressure that leads to eating disorders. If Terri had made a care directive or proxy - would the Schindlers have honored/believed that or would they still "know what's really best for Terri"? I will however, in my search for Mr. Right (are you taken, kdog :)? )look for a guy who would be man enough to speak for me against all comers. What is the biblical quote they use at weddings? "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh". So you all can put your bibles away. It doesn't say "unless your parents don't like what he says".

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#44)
    by aw on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 08:50:14 AM EST
    If Terri had made a care directive or proxy - would the Schindlers have honored/believed that or would they still "know what's really best for Terri"? That question was answered in the GAL's report. They would have ignored her wishes and said so.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 09:05:10 AM EST
    Thanks, aw, but I'm all acronymed out. Who what is GAL??

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#46)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 10:22:24 AM EST
    I believe a GAL is a Guardian Ad Litem. I could be mistaken, though.

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 12:07:03 PM EST
    Adept: Yes......

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#48)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 02:42:53 PM EST
    Sallyann- Yes? You are proud of trolling in a Eulogy thread? To me, that's like going to a funeral to bad mouth someone. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and take your response to affirm you don't believe that due process was followed. Exactly which parts of due process were not followed? Which of the multiple courts ignored them? Which Judges? Do you have a shred of evidence to support your claim? Have you just latched onto this meme because you didn't like the courts decision after they followed due process, and found that Michael was carrying out Terri's wishes (something her own parents admitted they wouldn't do, according to the GAL report).

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 04:01:17 PM EST
    Two problems with the case Havelock: 1. Michael Schiavo's verbal testimony that Terri did not want to live with the feeding tume was admitted without corroboration, and, 2. Terri did not have her own lawyer. Is that "meme" enough for you?

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#50)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Apr 01, 2005 at 05:39:29 PM EST
    1. Is corroboration of testimony required in every case, every time? If not, what is your point? 2. M. Schaivo was Terri's legal guardian. He contracted with the lawyers services on Terri's behalf. Terri also had a Guardian Ad Litem. I believe these both qualify, as did the court system. The question remains, how was due process violated?

    Re: Terri Schiavo is Dead (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 12:14:00 AM EST
    There was colaborating testimony. It was not on Michael Schiavo's word only. Terri's friends and people from Michael's side of the family testified that she would want to die. Based on things she had said about other people being kept alive in a similar condition. It is easy to imagine the kind of conversation. The Schindlers disagreed but did not produce anyone from outside the immediate family. They also said, in that same case?, that even if Terri had left a living will they would not honor it. They would keep her alive inspite of her wishes. The purpose of the case was to determine what Terri wanted not what the Schlinders wanted or how pure their motives were. That is something they never seem to have grasped. A few days ago I saw a picture , released by the Schilndler family, of a very pretty skillfully made up Terri in the hospital a few days after her heart failed. Whole situation has always seemed more Egyptian than Christain to me. So I was predesposed . But she looked so similar - in the type of face and expression- to the very life like portrait faces on late egyptian mummies. The mummies were wrapped in elaborate basket work weaves with beautiful beautifully done portraits. But usually no elaborabte tombs or coffins. People have speculated that they were originally kept in the home. If so the spirit, in traditional belief anyway, would have remained close to mummy and therefore to the family.

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    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 07:37:15 AM EST
    I live in Florida only a few miles from where Terri was finally allowed to pass on. The right-wing nut cases came out of the woodwork on this one. Many, if not most, were groping for donation to themselves. When the idiot from Georgia showed up to "juggle for the Lord" is was officially a circus

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