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AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop

Marc Cooper, writing in LA Weekly, says the Arizona Minutemen are far less in number and impact than they make themselves out to be:

The Minutemen were basically a flop. Despite organizers’ claims that 450 people showed up the first day (befittingly on April Fools’ Day), reporters visibly equaled or outnumbered the actual participants. At no point could any reporter see evidence of more than 150 Minutemen gathered in one place — even though the first two days of activities were all about concentrating their forces in a pair of protest rallies.

But the bulk of the coverage continued to play along with the fiction that a mass of American citizens had come down here to stand against the immigrant hordes.

Not only that, but this militia is not really a militia. Most of the men aren't even armed.

It’s always dangerous to generalize, but the crowd of volunteers was so small that it reduces the risks of stereotyping. If anything, this was a lawn-chair militia — a disproportionately elderly, disproportionately male, all-white crew whose most ambitious plan was to spend a day or two under an umbrella, sitting in the desert, drinking some cool ones and bitching about illegal aliens. These Minutemen are to real vigilantes — who risk getting shot at while they’re out shooting others — what the Disney Jungle Boat Ride is to Amazon exploration.

On leader and "radical right populist" Chris Simcox, who is receiving "rock star" treatment from the media:

A former Los Angeles–area kindergarten teacher, Simcox moved to Arizona three years ago, took over the Tumbleweed and set up his own anti-immigrant militia, the Civil Homeland Defense. His events have never drawn more than a handful of supporters, his professed ideology is a jumble of black-helicopter conspiracy and paranoiac demagogy, and he was convicted last year of a federal weapons charge.

It's a show. But it's a show that sets a dangerous precedent by insidiously suggesting to the public that vigilante justice is okay.

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  • Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#1)
    by roy on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 10:37:29 AM EST
    If the MMP exagerated it's turnout, that's lame. If they fizzled, that's lame. Laughable, even. I'll have to retract a lot of my support for them if this turns out to be so. But...
    Not only that, but this militia is not really a militia. Most of the men aren't even armed.
    Who the heck ever said they were a militia? Some Leftists (not TL) called them militia to poke fun. Who the heck ever said they'd all be armed? They said some would be armed, and some are. Leftists invented the notion of them all being armed.
    But it's a show that sets a dangerous precedent by insidiously suggesting to the public that vigilante justice is okay.
    Like the counter-protesters who interfered with MMP registration? Like the ACLU observers?
    ...the fiction that a mass of American citizens had come down here to stand against the immigrant hordes.
    Whereas the fact is they did it to attract attention to the issue. It worked.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 10:45:59 AM EST
    Whether they did it to prevent people crossing or to draw attention, either way I think they have made a very clear statement. I don't agree with them as I think they get in the way and it has potential for bad things to happen, but they do have a point. Let's take 100 billion from the ineffective drug war and seal the border. I have no issue with that.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:07:53 AM EST
    a re-allocation of resources and priorities. i could get behind that, but...

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:13:59 AM EST
    "sealing" the border is impossible. the southwestern part of the u.s. was taken from mexico, california by terroristic means. what goes around comes around. you want to "seal" the border, the prepare yourself for berlin wall II. are you nuts? stopping a tide of humanity acting largely out of noble motives is NOT a good bet for success. work on global capitalism, work on paying everyone everywhere a LIVING WAGE. we're talking about money, after all, a completely inanimate object which has NO intrinsic value. work on that, make a just world where profit and exploitation aren't seen as shrewd business practices.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:26:44 AM EST
    Yeah, we took the land from Mexico, Mexico took it from the Indians, Indians took it from other Indians. Maybe we should just all move off the land and let is stand empty because I am sure that at some point somebody's ancestors might have taken something from somebody else's ancestors.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:27:40 AM EST
    I've left a few comments at Cooper's blog but for some reason he hasn't responded. Perhaps because he has no answer. I visited Tombstone during my Blogging Across America tour and spoke with Simcox. He told me the same things that he probably tells every other reporter and that he probably told Cooper as well. Those apparently didn't make it to Cooper's report, and if they had "liberals" might be a bit conflicted. Simcox told me a) his son is black and b) he was also employed as the school's diversity coordinator when he worked as a teacher in L.A. There's the possibility that he didn't tell Cooper that, but I tend to doubt it. Cooper wrote nothing more than a sleazy hit piece reminiscent of Hearst Corporation's glory days. As for the larger issue, I wonder why "liberals" are so eager to support President Bush and the big corporations that profit off illegal immigration. I have no doubt that TL and Cooper are not corrupt and are just ideologically confused. However, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of the "liberals" who support illegal immigration are doing so because they have a financial stake in the matter.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:49:25 AM EST
    Where is PPJ and the rest of the Trolls when they're needed ? If the trolls won't go to Iraq to fight for america they can certainly show us some stuff down on the border. Don't forget your jack boots boys. :)

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:52:43 AM EST
    Lets give new mexico to Isreal for new settelments!

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 11:58:53 AM EST
    Lonewaco Good idea lets for a Liberal Thirtysecondmen Posse and round up President Bush and all those big corporations that profit off illegal immigration and ship to fereral prison where the belong.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 12:00:11 PM EST
    Sorry I'm having a bad Speling da.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 12:30:14 PM EST
    We can all agree, illegal immigration is bad for everyone except the unscrupulous businesses that profit off their cheap labor. This status quo cannot be maintained. Immigrants die every day from starvation, or are assaulted by border thugs and gangs that specifically prey on immigrants. The real question is why there is such a problem with illegal immigration today. A hundred years ago, and immigration was encouraged. They flowed into our major cities and helped build this country into what it is today. Hardly any of us Americans can trace our ancestors back to the first European settlers, let alone the original native inhabitants. We're all the descendants of immigrants. And outside of nativist and racist groups like the KKK and the Know-Nothing Party, people generally didn't have a problem with immigration. It's only within the past 30 years that this general consensus against "illegal aliens" has become so widespread. Even legal immigration is now discouraged. What happened? Did we just run out of space? Were the quotas reduced drastically? Did people just get tired of "them illegal aliens taking our jobs" (of course, if they were legalized and paid the same amount as Americans, we wouldn't have that problem!) The minutemen are right, the status quo cannot be maintained. Something needs to change. "Sealing the border" is laughable. The only real option is to encourage legal immmigration and assimilation into society.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 01:28:31 PM EST
    You're here Ed. That's certainly troll enough. No name, money may have no "intrinsic value, but is reason enough for you to open your wallet and make your notions come about, or are you just talk? I already know the answer. You are proof that it is all over for the left but the screaming...

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 04:08:29 PM EST
    TChris, If you disagree with what they're doing that's one thing. But stop making inferences that they're "vigilantes". They've done nothing nor advocated doing anything outside the law, let alone acting as judge & jury. In fact if they detained people who were violating the law that would be within the confines of Arizona's citizen arrest laws. But they're simply calling the border patrol on them. I don't agree with a lot of what's posted here but Ms. Merritt seems to be a reasonable perosn to disagree with. I can respect (most) of her reaosning even when I disagree. So I stop by eveyr now & then to see what's happening with (if you'll ecuse the phrase) the other side. But one thing I find beneath the quality I've come to expect of this blog is baseless & unfounded accusations that in the moral (if not legal) sense are libelous. The Minuteman Project is not comprised of "vigilantes" or of people advocating vigilantism. It's difficult for you to make your case when unsupported accusations keep flowing from your keyboard. Retract the stuff about "vigilantes" please. Unless you have proof?

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 04:55:49 PM EST
    We can all agree, illegal immigration is bad for everyone except the unscrupulous businesses that profit off their cheap labor.
    No, we can't.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 07:41:16 PM EST
    Ok if mexico is so great why the hell isn't the border being overrun/invade by millions of Americans go into that little non nation? CMDICELY Do you have money in mexicans? or are you part of the government of mexico? it appears that some people want to have more mexican sheeple for the ideals of marxist business.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 08:41:59 PM EST
    Imagine the beer consumed by those yahoos!

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 08:57:21 PM EST
    Skajae - With a world population of about 6.5 billion, how do you decide who gets to come in?

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#18)
    by cp on Sat Apr 09, 2005 at 12:25:04 AM EST
    the "minuteman" project was and is a joke, masquerading as an amusement, surrounded by latent idiocy. it accomplished nothing more than the usually suspect 15 minutes of "fame" for it's leader. there is no recorded decrease of traffic across the unguarded borders, merely reduced apprehensions. the two aren't mutually inclusive. the reason we have this problem in the first place would be 80 years of one-party rule in mexico, precluding any necessity for domestic economic change, and demand in the u.s. for cheap labor. fox has no real incentive to actually attempt to improve the lives of his fellow mexicans, as long as his buddy, gw, continues to foster an environment where anything goes in corporate america, if you aren't stupid enough to get caught, publically, with your hand in the cookie jar. why should he? that's too much like hard work. so, spare me the railing on both sides of the fence, it's not becoming, and it makes all of you look like total fools.

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Apr 13, 2005 at 10:10:51 AM EST
    For all the "Ney sayers" who claim the minutemen arn't doing any thing but causing problems, you may be right It appears the problems beeing caused are fot this administration and all the previous administrations that have let this Illegal imigration escalate to it's existing dangerous comdition. Maybe if it embarases our representatives enough they'll do something. Like protect the borders that they should have been doing all the time! Ron Lawrence

    Re: AZ Minutemen: Lawn Chair Militia Flop (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Apr 22, 2005 at 09:52:37 AM EST
    Most of us in Arizona are sick and tired of the running gun battles between smugglers on the freeways, the assinated bodies lying out in the desert, the bankrupt hospitals due to serving illegals, the social security number thefts by illegals, the stolen cars by illegals, the illegals with no driver's license and auto insurance. How many illegals would you liberal weenies like to put up in your house. We can send you tens of thousands. We won't miss them a bit.